In context of what the poll is about the only place you can conduct that poll, given all the current conditions, is on the beta forums done by actual beta testers. The poll number actually satisfies some well known agreements about polls. You only need a couple hundred people from a sampling to get an accurate enough view which would allow you to narrow down your margin of error below 10% or less. Having said that we also don't know if the results might have been fudged by moderators/devs themselves. However, that begins into the area of 'conspiracy theorists' and claims in that department have far far less credibility than claims that the polls are within a few percentage of being accurate of the group the sample comes from. The best anyone can do who isn't in the CLOSED beta can do is wait until they are invited or wait until the game launches and get some honest reviews through that. Or simply wait for a real trial. Before then any claims that Darkfall is a crap from someone who isn't even in beta is pure crap itself.
Its not the poll that is the problem. Its they added the poll to a review done by a beta player looking through rose colored glasses.
The problem with your comment is that the reviewer may actually like the game because it meets their style of play. It's no different than you liking a particular game, stating you like a particular game, and then offering up a bit of information that shows a particular sample of people like the game as you do.
You're implying here that the reviewer and those 90% from that poll are wrong and are only seeing things fhrough rose colored glasses. For all we know the reviewer is getting 'paid' to do that and they actually hate the game but that in itself would be just as much speculative and has no more substance than even saying she has just rose colored glasses.
Heck, for all we know, the viewer may have an absolute favorite and has hated most all other mmos that have released and yet DF is changing their mind.
The problem with your comment is that the reviewer may actually like the game because it meets their style of play. It's no different than you liking a particular game, stating you like a particular game, and then offering up a bit of information that shows a particular sample of people like the game as you do. You're implying here that the reviewer and those 90% from that poll are wrong and are only seeing things fhrough rose colored glasses. For all we know the reviewer is getting 'paid' to do that and they actually hate the game but that in itself would be just as much speculative and has no more substance than even saying she has just rose colored glasses. Heck, for all we know, the viewer may have an absolute favorite and has hated most all other mmos that have released and yet DF is changing their mind.
The only thing I was implying is that reviewer has no credibility. I state this because I check out beta leaks daily, and most of those state that DF is enjoyable, but still needs a lot of work to be " Feature Complete " as Tasos claims.
I hope this clears up your misunderstanding:
Its they (Adventure) added the poll to a review done by a beta player looking through rose colored glasses.
I don't know how many different ways I can explain this to you and you grasp it.
22900 of 32300 is a GOOD number for an MMO.
290 of 323..... is garbage
You mean 29000 out of 32300. Nah i think your wrong. 90% is a high number when 323 have voted.
I don't care what you think honestly. This is what your seeing and nothing more "90% WOOT!"
Here is what I see "290 players in a beta who have voted on an MMO less than 30 days from release in a game that is suppose to be tested and housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!"
This is very concerning to an MMO fan because this sample of players means 1 of 2 things to the logical minded.
1. your not beta testing shit in your game and you cannot handle the influx of players that might play your game. 2. You have not even started a beta yet and your still just using F&F of staff. 3. You are fixing numbers because you host the poll site. Because 290 is a low number of voters on a game so overhyped as DF is.
None of those are good signs of anything. You see 90% I see Failure of a beta or Failure to conduct a proper beta.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
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I don't know how many different ways I can explain this to you and you grasp it.
22900 of 32300 is a GOOD number for an MMO.
290 of 323..... is garbage
You mean 29000 out of 32300.
Nah i think your wrong. 90% is a high number when 323 have voted.
I don't care what you think honestly.
This is what your seeing and nothing more "90% WOOT!"
Here is what I see "290 players in a beta who have voted on an MMO less than 30 days from release in a game that is suppose to be tested and housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!"
This is very concerning to an MMO fan because this sample of players means 1 of 2 things to the logical minded.
1. your not beta testing shit in your game and you cannot handle the influx of players that might play your game.
2. You have not even started a beta yet and your still just using F&F of staff.
3. You are fixing numbers because you host the poll site. Because 290 is a low number of voters on a game so overhyped as DF is.
None of those are good signs of anything.
You see 90%
I see Failure of a beta or Failure to conduct a proper beta.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
The sad part is that I can't tell if you even have a brain under that tinfoil hat. What are, insane? You have serious issues that you need resolved IRL. That's not meant to be insulting. Seriously, you are either intentionally making retarded posts or something is wrong with your brain (those are pretty much the same thing by the way).
The whole thing is moot. Those who didn't vote on the poll because they didn't see it could all have voted no and no one would know. Yes, it's great to assume things, and if the OP wants to do that, he certainly can. Realistically, assuming that the 90% that is represented by this poll automatically applies to the rest of the Beta playerbase, however big that may be, is irrational.
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Its not the numbers. Its the % that is interesting here my friend.
The sad part is that 290 IS 90% of the Beta Testers.
Yeah, yeah I know... they have PLENTY of time to get the thousands and thousands online and playing before the 25th. Hmm... seems like we heard that same line for the 22nd of January as well.
I think it should be very obvious at this point that we will be seeing ANOTHER delay come the 2nd-3rd week of February. Anyone expecting the game to launch on the 25th... not happening as I see it.
There are way too many things that they STILL don't have done or tested. IF they do release on the 25th... it's going to be a disaster. It would be best for them to put it off yet again, and hope they can somehow manage to actually get this stuff working before release.
Tasos probably has about 300 friends and family in the beta . So 90% of Tasos's friends and family will preorder the game. That doesn't tell us anything
I don't know how many different ways I can explain this to you and you grasp it.
22900 of 32300 is a GOOD number for an MMO.
290 of 323..... is garbage
You mean 29000 out of 32300.
Nah i think your wrong. 90% is a high number when 323 have voted.
I don't care what you think honestly.
This is what your seeing and nothing more "90% WOOT!"
Here is what I see "290 players in a beta who have voted on an MMO less than 30 days from release in a game that is suppose to be tested and housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!"
This is very concerning to an MMO fan because this sample of players means 1 of 2 things to the logical minded.
1. your not beta testing shit in your game and you cannot handle the influx of players that might play your game.
2. You have not even started a beta yet and your still just using F&F of staff.
3. You are fixing numbers because you host the poll site. Because 290 is a low number of voters on a game so overhyped as DF is.
None of those are good signs of anything.
You see 90%
I see Failure of a beta or Failure to conduct a proper beta.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
The sad part is that I can't tell if you even have a brain under that tinfoil hat. What are, insane? You have serious issues that you need resolved IRL. That's not meant to be insulting. Seriously, you are either intentionally making retarded posts or something is wrong with your brain (those are pretty much the same thing by the way).
The whole thing is moot. Those who didn't vote on the poll because they didn't see it could all have voted no and no one would know. Yes, it's great to assume things, and if the OP wants to do that, he certainly can. Realistically, assuming that the 90% that is represented by this poll automatically applies to the rest of the Beta playerbase, however big that may be, is irrational.
I get what you're saying, but if that poll had indicated the opposite view (10% for preordering, 90% not preordering), then trolls/skeptics would be having a blast smearing it in the DF fans' faces. It would be a "good representation" if things were the other way around for them. Since the poll indicates a possible good sign for Darkfall, people are trying to discredit it completely. Sorry people, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
On another point, to drive this one home, they could complete the poll with 10K votes and 99% could vote yes to preordering but we would still have these conspiracy posts even from people who are generally logically sound (abrahmm).
This thread is scary for that reason. DF fans are excited and they should be but the skeptics are literally going insane.
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What makes this poll flawed is not the 90% which normally is a pretty good number. It's the population it is sampled from. You cannot have an accurate poll without a random population which, in this case, would be an average mmo player. But you don't have that. You have the friends and family and ultra die-hard fanatics. When you 'load' the sample population, the poll is flawed. So what the poll actually says is '90% of Tasos' friends, family and die-hard fans will buy it. ...not 90% of mmo players ...not 90% of pvp players ...not 90% of fantasy players
The problem with what you said is that you're assuming that all who are in beta and participated in that poll were diehard fans, family members, etc. Furthermore, you're not realizing that poll has to be conducted in the beta forum because it targets the 'beta players' who are participating 'in beta right now'. You cannot come to MMORPG and conduct such a poll because I'm willing to bet you'd get people who have only heard of DF through people who like to bash it who'll say they won't pre-order.
Polls, in general, are not necessarily flawed unless they are applied in a flawed manner. For example, if I took a sampling of hockey fans from a site like ESPN, asked them if they felt the NHL was heading in the right direction and then tried to apply that to all sports then it'd be flawed. That doesn't mean the poll itself was flawed it just means I applied in a flawed way.
In this case, if I was trying to apply the poll as that of how all people, even not in beta felt, then it'd be flawed. In this case, it's a closed-beta poll, conducted by beta testers and applied to how the 'beta-testers' feel and therefore it's relevant to how they feel and it's actually, if not fudged by devs, a good indication of how those who are playing the game feel about it.
I get what you're saying, but if that poll had indicated the opposite view (10% for preordering, 90% not preordering), then trolls/skeptics would be having a blast smearing it in the DF fans' faces. It would be a "good representation" if things were the other way around for them. Since the poll indicates a possible good sign for Darkfall, people are trying to discredit it completely. Sorry people, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
On another point, to drive this one home, they could complete the poll with 10K votes and 99% could vote yes to preordering but we would still have these conspiracy posts even from people who are generally logically sound (abrahmm).
This thread is scary for that reason. DF fans are excited and they should be but the skeptics are literally going insane.
I agree with you, if the poll was the other way around than these so called "trolls/skeptics" would have a ball with it. However, this does not make the poll any more legit.
The fact of the matter is that the current beta testers are mostly friends and family of the developers and die-hard fanatics of the game. This is not a random sampling of gamers. It's not even a random sampling of their target audience. It's like polling every one at a Scientology convention on whether or not Scientology is an evil cult.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
That's the problem though, this guy doesn't know that that poll is totally and completely irrelevant, he really thinks b/c 90% of the totally random sampling of people that took the poll voted "yes", that means that 90% of testers are going to buy the game. Forget the fact that any joker could log into that poll, which btw is hosted by Aventurine so mostly only people that are fans of the game and enjoying it are going to find it, and that people that don't enjoy the game aren't going to go looking for some silly poll on the DF site to say "no, I'm not going to buy".
The fact is, that poll is totally skewed, and in no way can possibly represent a fair sampling of the people that actually tested the game. The MOST that poll says is that 90% of the jokers that bothered to respond said that they would buy the game. It doesn't mean 90% of testers will be buying, or anything else really. The ONLY reliable way to get an accurate sampling of how the testers are feeling would be for Aventurine to force exit-polls when people log out of the game, and then give us those numbers...which we know will never happen.
if online polls were accurate then ron paul would be the president right now. Thank god that lunatic isn't though.
yeah Ron Paul is crazy alright. He actually thinks our goverment should follow the Constitution. What a drag to the socialist / facist who like to hand over taxpayer money to banks while creating hyperinflation.
Make sure to keep voting for members of the CFR because thats worked out so well the past 40 years.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
That's the problem though, this guy doesn't know that that poll is totally and completely irrelevant, he really thinks b/c 90% of the totally random sampling of people that took the poll voted "yes", that means that 90% of testers are going to buy the game. Forget the fact that any joker could log into that poll, which btw is hosted by Aventurine so mostly only people that are fans of the game and enjoying it are going to find it, and that people that don't enjoy the game aren't going to go looking for some silly poll on the DF site to say "no, I'm not going to buy".
The fact is, that poll is totally skewed, and in no way can possibly represent a fair sampling of the people that actually tested the game. The MOST that poll says is that 90% of the jokers that bothered to respond said that they would buy the game. It doesn't mean 90% of testers will be buying, or anything else really. The ONLY reliable way to get an accurate sampling of how the testers are feeling would be for Aventurine to force exit-polls when people log out of the game, and then give us those numbers...which we know will never happen.
Read the thread name and then read the question in that poll that lead to the 90 % answer rate.
Its all logic and you're wrong.
Only beta testers could enter this poll since the ones that isnt in beta cant enter beta theads.
If the numbers are solid, then I'm absolutely shocked.
Anyone who interprets the revealed data to be an indicator of success must be seriously deluded. Why wouldn't there be more testers at this point? not that every single tester participated in the poll, but regardless, there should be a much larger turnout.
I'm not plunking down anything for a preorder until I am assured this illusion of a high quality product actually delivers on what it claims. If they are not willing to let mass testers into the beta soon, or start up a proper free and open pre release-trial as they originally claimed they would, then the sad reality is that the game will be limited to a niche playerbase instead of garnering any chance for widespread appeal.
This may be fine for those of you fanatic fans who would wait another five years if need be. However, for those of us interested in playing a solid, next gen ffa pvp title this decade, waiting indefinitely will not cut it. Nor will these vague snippets of news or random invite waves.
I don't expect to find Darkfall filling my ffa pvp void anytime soon.
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after seeing those leaked videos I would find it very difficult to believe anyone in Beta would pre-order this game.
290 ppl = "really high number"?? really?
Its not the numbers. Its the % that is interesting here my friend.
What about this one, then?
Wil you preorder this game?
Yes
27.6%
No
72.4%
Based on 163 votes.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/221268/Poll-Will-you-preorder.html
I am starting to lose my patience with all this PR bullshit.
If the game is so good, lift the bloody NDA and let journalist preview the game.
That's really simple.
290 ppl = "really high number"?? really?
Its not the numbers. Its the % that is interesting here my friend.
What about this one, then?
Wil you preorder this game?
Yes
27.6%
No
72.4%
Based on 163 votes.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/221268/Poll-Will-you-preorder.html
Thats an MMORPG.com poll silly,
we are not gamers and we do not count!
We do NOT represent the target audience of DF!
Now delete this post lol.
290 ppl = "really high number"?? really?
Its not the numbers. Its the % that is interesting here my friend.
What about this one, then?
Wil you preorder this game?
Yes
27.6%
No
72.4%
Based on 163 votes.
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/221268/Poll-Will-you-preorder.html
Obviously because mmorpg.com is a cesspool of irrational "haters" and "trolls" whereas the official forum is a beacon of unbiased integrity.
Its not the poll that is the problem. Its they added the poll to a review done by a beta player looking through rose colored glasses.
The problem with your comment is that the reviewer may actually like the game because it meets their style of play. It's no different than you liking a particular game, stating you like a particular game, and then offering up a bit of information that shows a particular sample of people like the game as you do.
You're implying here that the reviewer and those 90% from that poll are wrong and are only seeing things fhrough rose colored glasses. For all we know the reviewer is getting 'paid' to do that and they actually hate the game but that in itself would be just as much speculative and has no more substance than even saying she has just rose colored glasses.
Heck, for all we know, the viewer may have an absolute favorite and has hated most all other mmos that have released and yet DF is changing their mind.
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All you whining people are making my head hurt. Preorder the game or dont preorder who cares just stop WHINING.
What makes this poll flawed is not the 90% which normally is a pretty good number. It's the population it is sampled from.
You cannot have an accurate poll without a random population which, in this case, would be an average mmo player.
But you don't have that. You have the friends and family and ultra die-hard fanatics. When you 'load' the sample population, the poll is flawed.
So what the poll actually says is '90% of Tasos' friends, family and die-hard fans will buy it.
...not 90% of mmo players
...not 90% of pvp players
...not 90% of fantasy players
What this thread needs is some stats and polls on Gods and Heroes preorders.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
if online polls were accurate then ron paul would be the president right now. Thank god that lunatic isn't though.
The only thing I was implying is that reviewer has no credibility. I state this because I check out beta leaks daily, and most of those state that DF is enjoyable, but still needs a lot of work to be " Feature Complete " as Tasos claims.
I hope this clears up your misunderstanding:
Its they (Adventure) added the poll to a review done by a beta player looking through rose colored glasses.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
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You mean 29000 out of 32300.
Nah i think your wrong. 90% is a high number when 323 have voted.
I don't care what you think honestly.
This is what your seeing and nothing more "90% WOOT!"
Here is what I see "290 players in a beta who have voted on an MMO less than 30 days from release in a game that is suppose to be tested and housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!"
This is very concerning to an MMO fan because this sample of players means 1 of 2 things to the logical minded.
1. your not beta testing shit in your game and you cannot handle the influx of players that might play your game.
2. You have not even started a beta yet and your still just using F&F of staff.
3. You are fixing numbers because you host the poll site. Because 290 is a low number of voters on a game so overhyped as DF is.
None of those are good signs of anything.
You see 90%
I see Failure of a beta or Failure to conduct a proper beta.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
The sad part is that I can't tell if you even have a brain under that tinfoil hat. What are, insane? You have serious issues that you need resolved IRL. That's not meant to be insulting. Seriously, you are either intentionally making retarded posts or something is wrong with your brain (those are pretty much the same thing by the way).
The whole thing is moot. Those who didn't vote on the poll because they didn't see it could all have voted no and no one would know. Yes, it's great to assume things, and if the OP wants to do that, he certainly can. Realistically, assuming that the 90% that is represented by this poll automatically applies to the rest of the Beta playerbase, however big that may be, is irrational.
I wonder if this looks better on this new background...
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
290 ppl = "really high number"?? really?
Its not the numbers. Its the % that is interesting here my friend.
The sad part is that 290 IS 90% of the Beta Testers.
Yeah, yeah I know... they have PLENTY of time to get the thousands and thousands online and playing before the 25th. Hmm... seems like we heard that same line for the 22nd of January as well.
I think it should be very obvious at this point that we will be seeing ANOTHER delay come the 2nd-3rd week of February. Anyone expecting the game to launch on the 25th... not happening as I see it.
There are way too many things that they STILL don't have done or tested. IF they do release on the 25th... it's going to be a disaster. It would be best for them to put it off yet again, and hope they can somehow manage to actually get this stuff working before release.
Tasos probably has about 300 friends and family in the beta . So 90% of Tasos's friends and family will preorder the game. That doesn't tell us anything
You mean 29000 out of 32300.
Nah i think your wrong. 90% is a high number when 323 have voted.
I don't care what you think honestly.
This is what your seeing and nothing more "90% WOOT!"
Here is what I see "290 players in a beta who have voted on an MMO less than 30 days from release in a game that is suppose to be tested and housing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!!!"
This is very concerning to an MMO fan because this sample of players means 1 of 2 things to the logical minded.
1. your not beta testing shit in your game and you cannot handle the influx of players that might play your game.
2. You have not even started a beta yet and your still just using F&F of staff.
3. You are fixing numbers because you host the poll site. Because 290 is a low number of voters on a game so overhyped as DF is.
None of those are good signs of anything.
You see 90%
I see Failure of a beta or Failure to conduct a proper beta.
Ironically, nothing you say is logical.
A poll is almost always a sampling and in this case the sampling is Darkfall Beta testers. There may be 5,000 DF Beta testers for all we know and only 300 or so of them saw this poll/decided to vote on it. The 300 that did vote, represent the X amount of Beta testers that exist...whatever that number is. So for 90% of the people that did take part in the poll to say that they will preorder the game is a good thing for DF fans. You've been comparing the amount of people that participated in this poll to the amount of people that should populate a successful MMORPG. That doesn't make any logical sense. It's just a poll, it's not suppose to be 100% accurate.
The sad part is that I can't tell if you even have a brain under that tinfoil hat. What are, insane? You have serious issues that you need resolved IRL. That's not meant to be insulting. Seriously, you are either intentionally making retarded posts or something is wrong with your brain (those are pretty much the same thing by the way).
The whole thing is moot. Those who didn't vote on the poll because they didn't see it could all have voted no and no one would know. Yes, it's great to assume things, and if the OP wants to do that, he certainly can. Realistically, assuming that the 90% that is represented by this poll automatically applies to the rest of the Beta playerbase, however big that may be, is irrational.
I get what you're saying, but if that poll had indicated the opposite view (10% for preordering, 90% not preordering), then trolls/skeptics would be having a blast smearing it in the DF fans' faces. It would be a "good representation" if things were the other way around for them. Since the poll indicates a possible good sign for Darkfall, people are trying to discredit it completely. Sorry people, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
On another point, to drive this one home, they could complete the poll with 10K votes and 99% could vote yes to preordering but we would still have these conspiracy posts even from people who are generally logically sound (abrahmm).
This thread is scary for that reason. DF fans are excited and they should be but the skeptics are literally going insane.
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The problem with what you said is that you're assuming that all who are in beta and participated in that poll were diehard fans, family members, etc. Furthermore, you're not realizing that poll has to be conducted in the beta forum because it targets the 'beta players' who are participating 'in beta right now'. You cannot come to MMORPG and conduct such a poll because I'm willing to bet you'd get people who have only heard of DF through people who like to bash it who'll say they won't pre-order.
Polls, in general, are not necessarily flawed unless they are applied in a flawed manner. For example, if I took a sampling of hockey fans from a site like ESPN, asked them if they felt the NHL was heading in the right direction and then tried to apply that to all sports then it'd be flawed. That doesn't mean the poll itself was flawed it just means I applied in a flawed way.
In this case, if I was trying to apply the poll as that of how all people, even not in beta felt, then it'd be flawed. In this case, it's a closed-beta poll, conducted by beta testers and applied to how the 'beta-testers' feel and therefore it's relevant to how they feel and it's actually, if not fudged by devs, a good indication of how those who are playing the game feel about it.
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I agree with you, if the poll was the other way around than these so called "trolls/skeptics" would have a ball with it. However, this does not make the poll any more legit.
The fact of the matter is that the current beta testers are mostly friends and family of the developers and die-hard fanatics of the game. This is not a random sampling of gamers. It's not even a random sampling of their target audience. It's like polling every one at a Scientology convention on whether or not Scientology is an evil cult.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
That's the problem though, this guy doesn't know that that poll is totally and completely irrelevant, he really thinks b/c 90% of the totally random sampling of people that took the poll voted "yes", that means that 90% of testers are going to buy the game. Forget the fact that any joker could log into that poll, which btw is hosted by Aventurine so mostly only people that are fans of the game and enjoying it are going to find it, and that people that don't enjoy the game aren't going to go looking for some silly poll on the DF site to say "no, I'm not going to buy".
The fact is, that poll is totally skewed, and in no way can possibly represent a fair sampling of the people that actually tested the game. The MOST that poll says is that 90% of the jokers that bothered to respond said that they would buy the game. It doesn't mean 90% of testers will be buying, or anything else really. The ONLY reliable way to get an accurate sampling of how the testers are feeling would be for Aventurine to force exit-polls when people log out of the game, and then give us those numbers...which we know will never happen.
yeah Ron Paul is crazy alright. He actually thinks our goverment should follow the Constitution. What a drag to the socialist / facist who like to hand over taxpayer money to banks while creating hyperinflation.
Make sure to keep voting for members of the CFR because thats worked out so well the past 40 years.
Did you mean to say that 9 out of 10 of tasos friends will get a free preorder?
Or did they start a real open beta with thousands of players?
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
What an absolutely ludicrous thread, especially since the game is still in closed beta under an NDA. You can't survey the beta testers because they are not allowed to talk about the game.
Next time just think a second before starting a thread that even you know is way out there in nether nether land.
That's the problem though, this guy doesn't know that that poll is totally and completely irrelevant, he really thinks b/c 90% of the totally random sampling of people that took the poll voted "yes", that means that 90% of testers are going to buy the game. Forget the fact that any joker could log into that poll, which btw is hosted by Aventurine so mostly only people that are fans of the game and enjoying it are going to find it, and that people that don't enjoy the game aren't going to go looking for some silly poll on the DF site to say "no, I'm not going to buy".
The fact is, that poll is totally skewed, and in no way can possibly represent a fair sampling of the people that actually tested the game. The MOST that poll says is that 90% of the jokers that bothered to respond said that they would buy the game. It doesn't mean 90% of testers will be buying, or anything else really. The ONLY reliable way to get an accurate sampling of how the testers are feeling would be for Aventurine to force exit-polls when people log out of the game, and then give us those numbers...which we know will never happen.
Read the thread name and then read the question in that poll that lead to the 90 % answer rate.
Its all logic and you're wrong.
Only beta testers could enter this poll since the ones that isnt in beta cant enter beta theads.
Not your day is it?
9 Players are going to pre-order?
I jest.
I find that number to be extremely unbelievable. Something smells fishy.
9?
290 is going to pre order.
Guess the game is really good if that many testers wanna play it on release.
What do you think?
i think... that low number of testers cant test properly a MMO.
If the numbers are solid, then I'm absolutely shocked.
Anyone who interprets the revealed data to be an indicator of success must be seriously deluded. Why wouldn't there be more testers at this point? not that every single tester participated in the poll, but regardless, there should be a much larger turnout.
I'm not plunking down anything for a preorder until I am assured this illusion of a high quality product actually delivers on what it claims. If they are not willing to let mass testers into the beta soon, or start up a proper free and open pre release-trial as they originally claimed they would, then the sad reality is that the game will be limited to a niche playerbase instead of garnering any chance for widespread appeal.
This may be fine for those of you fanatic fans who would wait another five years if need be. However, for those of us interested in playing a solid, next gen ffa pvp title this decade, waiting indefinitely will not cut it. Nor will these vague snippets of news or random invite waves.
I don't expect to find Darkfall filling my ffa pvp void anytime soon.