MMOGULs in court this time click seems that they were being sued alongside CME and its affiliates for harassment! So CME still claims to have nothing to do with MMOGULs? Oh sorry they said they have no contract with them, they just happen to get sued with them and all their affiliates every now and again, right?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Agricola1 MMOGULs in court this time click seems that they were being sued alongside CME and its affiliates for harassment! So CME still claims to have nothing to do with MMOGULs? Oh sorry they said they have no contract with them, they just happen to get sued with them and all their affiliates every now and again, right?
Looks an aweful lot like an employee that got fed up with being harassed into signing up for this mmoguls scheme.
I don't see Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment i just see Mmoguls / Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates. Just a news flash MMOguls has no contract with CME hence why all info on the mmoguls site linking them to sgw is gone.
I don't see Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment i just see Mmoguls / Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates. Just a news flash MMOguls has no contract with CME hence why all info on the mmoguls site linking them to sgw is gone.
News Flash Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates, Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, Cheyenne Mountain trademark, Itzyourmall, MMOGULS and Firesky are all owned by Gary Whiting. Infact MMOguls is only one floor below CME in the same building!
Another news flash, CME has a contract with itzyourmall (owned by GW), itzyourmall has a contract with MMOGULS (owned by Gary Whiting). What part of spreading out the liability don't you understand? Gary Whiting has all these companys registered in the state of Nevada he owns them all financially and legally, CME staff have been selling this pyramid scam to people themselves. SGW is a product wholly owned by Gary Whiting he is using his companies to sell it in a pyramid scheme whilst spreading out the liability when MMOGULS goes bankrupt.
If you still think CME is not involved wake up and smell the coffee or just put the crack down!
EDIT: Gary Whiting companies registered in the state of Nevada,
THE NOW CORPORATION
PARA MAS INTERNET, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN PRODUCTIONS, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN GAMES, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN MARKETING, LLC
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFFILIATES
ITZYOURMALL, INC.
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS ARIZONA, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS IDAHO, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS UTAH, LLC
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
MMOGULs in court this time click seems that they were being sued alongside CME and its affiliates for harassment! So CME still claims to have nothing to do with MMOGULs? Oh sorry they said they have no contract with them, they just happen to get sued with them and all their affiliates every now and again, right?
Looks an aweful lot like an employee that got fed up with being harassed into signing up for this mmoguls scheme.
Do you only see what you want to see?
1. CME is not involved in this lawsuit.
2. MMOGUL's and CMA are the plaintiff and Robert Guenther is the defendent - the person the complaint is filed against.
3. The complaint has to do with animal harassment of some sort.
MMOGULs in court this time click seems that they were being sued alongside CME and its affiliates for harassment! So CME still claims to have nothing to do with MMOGULs? Oh sorry they said they have no contract with them, they just happen to get sued with them and all their affiliates every now and again, right?
Looks an aweful lot like an employee that got fed up with being harassed into signing up for this mmoguls scheme.
Do you only see what you want to see?
1. CME is not involved in this lawsuit.
2. MMOGUL's and CMA are the plaintiff and Robert Guenther is the defendent - the person the complaint is filed against.
3. The complaint has to do with animal harassment of some sort.
Companies owned by Gary Whiting Registered in the State of Nevada,
THE NOW CORPORATION
PARA MAS INTERNET, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN PRODUCTIONS, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN GAMES, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN MARKETING, LLC
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFFILIATES
ITZYOURMALL, INC.
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS ARIZONA, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS IDAHO, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS UTAH, LLC
The complaint was about an employee being harrased by others at his workplace to sign up to the MMOGULS pyramid scheme.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Seems more and more clear evidence of woes there come out everyday. If they are in fact rushing the game out hoping to stay afloat, it'll be a disaster. The mere handful of hangers on at their forums that would pay for a game in a unfinished state isn't going to make them enough to pay their debts I imagine.
In what tkksnow said he makes a very valid point about not listening to people outside of CME which some people like blakey fail to do.
tkksnow - Unless comments or statements from from the developers, please do not take them as official gospel or from anyone that can speak on it authoritatively.
ER no, I don't think I will. In fact, Developers are the last people I expect honesty from when things are going downhill, and outside sources of information tend to prove to be more accurate.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
The complaint was about an employee being harrased by others at his workplace to sign up to the MMOGULS pyramid scheme.
I don't see where that is stated besides Blakey's speculation. Care to enlighten me?
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
After being escorted off the premises by police a restraining order went into effect on
January 5, 2009 for threats Guenther made to people at the Cheyenne Company.
The time has come to let the people know the truth about Bob Guenther and Attorney, Larry Friedman. Someone made a big mistake when they allowed them to communicate with the members of ASD. After proclaiming that he was supporting Mmougals, an online gaming company, he overstayed his welcome and was terminated after verbal attacks and threats. The local police escorted him off the premises and Cheyenne got a restraining order (we'll supply you with the document in the next email but you can find it if you look hard enough on the Internet, its public record) against Guenther on January 5th. Why??? Here's what happened.
In October 2008 Guenther met with Cheyenne Mountain CEO and agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock. Where was he getting this money? We'll let's see... From October 2008 to January 2009 Guenther sent many payments in small sums such as $2500, $5000 and so on, from a bank account of Jaffa Partners LP (keep reading), until it reached the sum of $60,000 by January 2009. (All other investors sent their funds in one lump sum of $100,000 or much more) According to unnamed sources, the CEO got very nervous about the way the money was arriving in such small increments, and not in one lump sum. After hearing rumors about an FBI investigation on both Guenther and Attorney Friedman regarding a certain Trust Fund, the CEO decided to wire the money back to the Jaffa Partners bank account in Texas where it originally came from which is listed below. This bank account is NOT the ASDMBA Trust fund but rather a separate account in the name of Jaffa Partners LP, a company set up by Attorney, Robert Feiger of the law Firm "Friedman & Feiger" on November 24, 2008. Attorney Robert Feiger is the "Registered Agent" on the original document. Here's the link to verify this information... http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/serv...ID=32038399864 We are investigating the others who are involved because money was also wired on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP to the Cheyenne Company from other banks around the country such as the National City Bank in Muskego Wisconsin. The name of the person on this bank account is David Lambert, a friend of Kath Danch, a Guenther supporter and spokesperson on his weekly conference calls. Apparently they share the same views and ethics as Guenther. Lambert wired $5,000 to the Cheyenne Company on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP. This money was also returned to his bank account (we also have this account number) in Wisconsin for the same reason. We're not sure what his involvement is or whether he and Danch are partners in Jaffa but we're looking into it. More on that later!!!
The name and address of the bank used by Jaffa Partners LP to wire the funds to the Cheyenne Company is...
United Community Bank
Highland Village Branch
2100 F. M. 407
Highland Village, TX 75077
(972) 317-9935
We have the bank account number but we will withhold it at this time. We also have the account for the ASDMBA Trust which is the Sterling Bank, Dallas Branch. We will also withhold the bank account number until further notice. And by the way, The ASDMBA Trust is not registered with the City, County or State of Texas. It doesn't have to be registered but why wouldn't it be registered if they had nothing to hide. Our investigator has verified this information and you can also verify it by calling the county clerk in Dallas. David Bruce Jenkins, Guenther's best friend, as Guenther has claimed, is listed on the bank account that bears the name ASDMBA Trust.
David Bruce Jenkins
1836 Leath Street
Dallas, Texas
When a person constantly criticizes others as Guenther does, they are actually looking in the mirror. Guenther has repeatedly accused many others of being scam artists and the reality is that we should have been looking at him and his friends all along.
Here are some legitimate questions people are asking...
* Where did the $60,000 come from to invest in Cheyenne stock and where is it now? Did they move it yet?
* Is it the money from the ASDMBA Trust?
* How much money was raised for the Trust?
* Who are the Trustees? (rumor is that Friedman and Guenther along with Guenther's Family and best Friend are Trustees. What a
surprise) Dan and Pam Richardson were original trustees and we don't know their status at this moment but we will soon.
* Why is there NO accounting of this money?
* Is Guenther or anyone receiving a Salary or any compensation from the Trust? (Did he and his family drain the funds?)
* Has he or anyone ever received a salary or compensation from the Trust?
* If they are receiving a salary, who authorized that?
* If there is no money left in the Trust, as stated by Guenther, how do we get standing in the Court in Washington since ASD has lost
or given up their efforts in the case?
* Are Friedman and Guenther trying to get control of the $93 million dollars forfeited by ASD? (We believe this was their intention all along.
Guenther told a few people recently that this was his intent along with starting and/or investing in another company with the funds)
Since we have the bank account number of the ASDMBA Trust and we know that David Jenkins is the only person authorized to sign checks, as verified by the bank, we should be able to find out the truth very soon. Guenther has stated several times that David Jenkins bought stock in Mmoguls (on tape) so it seems a little suspicious that they agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock in October. (Less than 3 months after beginning to raise funds for the retainer for ASDMBA) Where did the money come from, when previously Gunther seems to have lost everything from his "auto" businesses due to mismanagement and finally a bankruptcy. This happens to be the exact amount ($100,000) Friedman insisted upon as his retainer. Of course they will make up some lie or excuse when confronted. Remember, Guenther was convicted of lying in his Bankruptcy trial and consequently lost the case to the Caddle Company. He still owes them a large sum of money and they are willing to assist in any way they can.
What is Attorney Friedman's Involvement with Bob Guenther and Dan and Pam Richardson?
In August 2008, Larry Friedman was introduced by Guenther and the Richardson's to members of ASD via a conference call where Friedman spoke, we are told, to approximately 2,000 people. He said he would do several things if we were to hire him as the attorney for the ASD members. These four things are recorded on tape and can be verified.
Attorney Friedman agreed to...
1 support Andy Bowdoin in his battle with the AG (Friedman claimed that the Gov't did a sloppy job in their investigation)
2 help prove the business model of ASD. (he stated that the model worked and was a great way to advertise business)
3 get us standing in the court in Washington. (he claimed he had the ability to work in the courts in Washington)
4 help get our money back in the event that ASD lost the case. (he told us that the money belonged to us, the members)
Our belief in Friedman's professed expertise and his claim that he would help us because he had defeated this very AG's office in the past, along with the endorsement of both Guenther and the Richardson's, was the determining factor that led us to the decision to hire him as our attorney to support our efforts. After thousands of dollars were collected, Friedman stopped getting on our conference calls and Guenther began to bash ASD and Andy. Without anyone's approval, they decided to take a different course of action. They began talking about supporting the Gov't in its efforts to go after ASD Members. They turned against the business model and worst of all they didn't notify anyone of this change which is legally, morally and ethical wrong. We should have been given the chance to have our money returned if they were no longer supporting our cause. A lawyer can NOT decide to help the prosecution after agreeing to take any case. It appears that there were many violations on his part (we will send a document in the next email) Many ethical codes have been abused and the victims are you and the rest of the ASD members. We have NO accounting of the money. No one has actually seen the Trust that we can verify. We can NOT get a standing in the court because Guenther says the money is gone. Where did it go?
Furthermore, both Friedman and Guenther began communicating with William Cowden, from the AG's office in Washington and supplying Cowden with names of people to go after in ASD. They tried to convince Cowden that Friedman was the most logical choice to be appointed the Receiver of the $93 million dollars. Guenther has bragged that he is on a first name basis with "Bill" Cowden and that he and Friedman were now supporting the AG's in their effort. All of this is masked by the fact that Guenther claims that they are helping us get our money back from the Gov't. They are going after similar companies as well as ASD members who made money. He is using a very effective tactic called "misdirection". It is what magicians use to trick you. They get you to focus your attention on one thing which actually masks or prevents you from seeing the truth. It's very clever and calculated but Guenther has miscalculated the power of the people who he is trying to deceive. Coming from a long history of magic we have been watching this very closely over the past several months and have been waiting for him to trip up. After all, he's not a magician. He's just a "Want to Be Big Shot" who has lost all of his businesses over the years and is now living off of his wife's income to support himself until he was able to figure a way to get money from the ASD people.
He was terminated from Mmougals for threats made to people at that company and he never even paid the $250 entry fee to Mmougals to begin with. This guy tries to scam everyone he comes in contact with. He has now put his family at risk because an investigation, now in progress, will reveal his true intent. By the way, you should ask him to supply you with the documents or proof that he was a helicopter pilot in the military. He lied about that to everyone. We searched those records as well. People with low self esteem, will always brag about how accomplished they are, when in reality it is usually a figment of their imagination. This is the case with Guenther, a small man in stature, 5 feet 3 inches; at least it looks that way, with a very big mouth.
There's much, much more to talk about. A very large group of people have already filed complaints with the Texas Bar about Attorney Friedman. Why Friedman??? He was the attorney we entrusted our funds to from the very beginning. He's the attorney that agreed to help us and has done nothing. Guenther is NOT an attorney. We would not have sent a dime without the sales pitch to hire Friedman and get a retainer of $100,000 just to start the case. (We have contacted several Law Firms and discovered that a case like this would have required only $25, 000 as a retainer)
We have been lied to about the true intentions of both Guenther and Friedman and we are doing something about it. Apparently there is no money in the Trust to file our claim in Washington. Remember, after getting our money this attorney decided not to show up anymore and for those that requested refunds, very few people actually got their money returned. We need an accounting of this money and we need it now. Of course, Guenther will tell you different but the Texas Bar will disagree. The Bar will look into Friedman's involvement and ask him why so many people are filing complaints. Many have already done so. and we expect it to be 500 by February. Guenther will come out with all kinds of threats after he reads this, trying to stop you from filing the complaint with the Texas Bar, telling you that he and Friedman will sue you.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. He is as fictitious as the Wizard of OZ, who pretended to be a powerful man by scarring everyone with verbal abuse and scare tactics just to keep them from discovering the truth and the truth is... he is nothing but a blow hard that has no authority at all but uses misdirection to keep you from the truth. Don't be afraid, he can no more help you or hurt you than the Wizard himself. We have finally drawn back the curtain and now see the real man behind it and as you might have guessed, he's nothing but a weak fraud.
The first step is to get involved and help each other by filing a complaint with the "Texas Bar" as many are doing. Here's how to do it....
1 Go to www.texasbar.com
2 click on the "Contact Us" tab at the very top of the page, its small so look hard.
3 fill in your information
4 select SBOT department "Attorney Referral" You must select one in order to send.
5 In the subject line type... Urgent...Attorney Misrepresentation??? Use the question marks
6 in the Question/Comment area, type in a short description such as "We hired Attorney Friedman to help us in our efforts in a law suit
and he turned against us and began helping the prosecution". You may use the things that Friedman promised us, listed above but do
NOT tell your full length story here. It's not the place to make the official complaint.
7 In that same box make sure you end your statement/statements with this question...How do I file a complaint against Attorney
Larry Friedman? Where can I find the form? This is important because using the "Contact Us" tab is NOT the official complaint.
8 MAKE A COPY OF YOUR COMMENT SECTION AND NOTE THE DATE AND TIME SENT.
9 Here's the phone number for the Texas Bar in Austin... (800) 204-2222 it wouldn't hurt to flood the office with complaints
Remember, this is NOT the complaint form. You will fill that out later. This is a comment and question area only but we need to let them know and make sure we get the official complaint form. This is just the first step and we intend to keep the pressure on for as long as it takes.
This is just the beginning for these two characters and their team of bandits. I tell you this because it's time to stop them from fooling people with their lies and taking more of your hard earned dollars and give an accounting of the funds in the Trust. Guenther and Friedman had no intention of helping you get your money back. They were after the Receivership of the $93 million dollars that was frozen in August. They still plan to get their hands on that money and I promise they will exhaust the funds as they claimed other Receivers would do by lining their pockets with millions, and if there is anything left we may see some money a few years down the road but don't count on it. He told us in the very beginning that all the money is used up when they appoint a Receiver. What we didn't figure is that they, Guenther and Friedman, wanted to be the Receiver and get their hands on the $93 Million Dollars.
These two people should be trying right now to get our money back but instead they claim there are NO funds left and the only course to take now is have Friedman appointed as the Receiver and we are NOT going to let this happen. And if we discover and prove that these funds were used for anything other than the ASDMBA Trust then we will pursue action that will help put all of them in jail including the family members, David Jenkins, and original trustees Dan and Pam Richardson. We mentioned the Richardson's briefly above but these two people were very active in getting Larry Friedman hired by the members and in fact our investigation shows that Larry Friedman represented them in a case years ago. As soon as that information is examined thoroughly we will reveal the details of that as well.
It's been said by many people that Friedman, Guenther and the Richardson's raised close to $200,000 for the Trust and all of it is now gone. How much more are they going to take from these ASD members? This is one family that will not allow this, even if we have to hire a Lawyer ourselves against these unethical people. We have already spoken to a few lawyers in Dallas who by the way, have very little respect for Friedman and his firm.
Our investigation continues and we will let everyone know what we find. We are very aware that Guenther, Friedman, his partner Robert Feiger and Dan and Pam Richardson will not be happy but we have been unhappy for six months now, and it's time to let the world know what these people are up to and it's time to do something about it before it's too late. Fill out the form on www.texasbar.com and follow the instructions above and then get the proper documents filled out for the official complaint and MAIL (standard mail, US Postal Service) to the address at the end of the form. But make sure you complete the first step stated above. It's important to let the Bar know ASAP that Friedman has acted unethical and is hiding behind Guenther. The more contact we have with the BAR the faster they will act. so, make sure you do both things...
2- get the Official form and physically mail it via the US Postal Service
Watch for the next correspondence to get a copy of the violations that Attorney Friedman has committed along with the Restraining Order/Harassment documents on Guenther. We will keep you posted on the progress of this matter but first things first...
File your complaint NOW before it's too late!!!
The Lone Ranger
Protector of the Innocent
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
one problem CME and firesky are not on stock exchange.
Gary whiting sells capital stock in CME to investors click look under the article with "Cold Stone Creamery". Investors who wish to invest in CME purchase capital stock click.
Anyother questions?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Gary whiting sells capital stock in CME to investors click look under the article with "Cold Stone Creamery". Investors who wish to invest in CME purchase capital stock click. Anyother questions?
he cannot sell something that doesnt exist, you can only invest in the company, you cannot by STOCK (it has to be on the stock exchange for that), please understand how companies work.
The company in question regarding stock is Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, NOT CME.
If you had actually looked this up, you would find its impossible and very ILLEGAL to sell stock in a company that doesnt produce or sell anything and also doesnt have STOCK.
Now CAPITAL STOCK that you mention in the news is completely different thing to STOCK.
Gary whiting sells capital stock in CME to investors click look under the article with "Cold Stone Creamery". Investors who wish to invest in CME purchase capital stock click. Anyother questions?
he cannot sell something that doesnt exist, you can only invest in the company, you cannot by STOCK (it has to be on the stock exchange for that), please understand how companies work.
The company in question regarding stock is Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, NOT CME.
If you had actually looked this up, you would find its impossible and very ILLEGAL to sell stock in a company that doesnt produce or sell anything and also doesnt have STOCK.
Now CAPITAL STOCK that you mention in the news is completely different thing to STOCK.
Are you breaking my balls for answering the question correctly?
Also I've established Guenther was after Whiting for the cash he believes Whiting scammed out of him. It doesn't say what type of stock Guenther bought or from which company it only says Cheyenne, however the deal was with Whiting so take your pick of Cheyenne companies owned by Whiting! CMA, CME and MMOGULs are owned by Whiting, CME and MMOGULs are in the same building and I'll assume CMA is too since they and MMOGULs filed the suit.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read it and understand what I just typed above, there are many types of stock and you don't need to be a fortune 500 company on the NYSE to sell stock. So just take a breath read and think about it for a bit rather than just biting my head off for bringing info to the forums.
Really guys my neck is begining to hurt!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
The point is that its more likely to be CMA and not CME, due to the actual name on the court tickets.
Please CME is not CMA, and please stop saying GW owns CME, he doesnt, he is the founder and a partner in that company, its not his personal property (even if he makes it look like that).
The point is that its more likely to be CMA and not CME, due to the actual name on the court tickets. Please CME is not CMA, and please stop saying GW owns CME, he doesnt, he is the founder and a partner in that company, its not his personal property (even if he makes it look like that).
I believe you're mistaken once again.
I have no idea which company he believed he was buying stock from Gary Whitting, but I'm certain it was to do with Stargate in someway as the company he transfered the cash from to Gary was named "Jaffa Partners" or was that a coincidence? Also the company began with Cheyenne.
I never said CME was CMA, they are clearly different companies but are both owned by the same guy. Yes Whiting does own CME along with his partner Keith Deering and they are the only people on the board of the company. Deering also has a large stake in Itzyourmall, however I'm not certain of the exact stakes in either CME or Itzyourmall this month. Maybe you can dig up who is the majority shareholder in CME and post a link if you wish to prove otherwise? Then I can take a rest for a bit and scrutinize your info with a fine toothed comb?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Again.....so. They are broke.....done. We will wait and soon learn that both MMOGULS and CME are broke. Why keep rehashing that the company is not loaded with money? Gary Whiting is doing TERRIBLE THINGS.....so. Perhaps he will go to jail. Next.
Sounds to me like he is trying to save a poor company. I don't think this is the first in the world. Lawsuits are definitly not unique in America.
i hope the developers can make it through all of this and deliver the game because it looks pretty promising
Looks can be decieving and in this case they really are. I'm hoping CME goes belly up and MGM sells this IP to an experienced MMO developer that will do it justice.
originally posted by Agricola1 The complaint was about an employee being harrased by others at his workplace to sign up to the MMOGULS pyramid scheme.
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
~delete Wall O'Text~
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
All you did was prove the other people commenting against you correct. The suit was filed *BY* Mmoguls against Robert Guenther, and yet you still are trying to claim a connection that doesn't exist. You keep attempting to put Round Peg A into Square Hole B.
Your constant claims that Gary Whiting *is* Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, and that he is the only person who has any sort of control over CME are completely groundless. Just because the Firesky Company page only lists two individuals as being on the Board has very little bearing on who is truly in charge. Being the Director of a Board is just a title, and quite a few other people have a vote as well. For example: Donald Sutherland, co-founder of Cold Stone Creamery. As an investor, wouldn't he also be on the Board? And yet, he's not listed.
I'm sure your continuous conspiracy theories will attempt to spin that fact into line with your other theories as well. I've seen mention of a shell game elsewhere on this forum, and I'll give you an analogy of my own: You are trying to build a house of cards on quicksand.
Developer being sued by a web-based company for unpaid services... TAKE 2!
Reminds me of the Perpetual Entertainment (developer for Star Trek Online) lawsuit by Kohnke (advertising company), in which PE had not paid Kohnke for its services.
And we all know how that turned out.
I think to keep SGW afloat would be to release the game early, BUT knowing that there are faults and a possible poor launch, some adjustments would be needed. For example, reduce the scale of the game, drop certain features and with it all, reduce the cost to the customers. Sure, not a lot of people will sign up, the turn out will be lower than expected, but at least there will be some revenue being generated. Hopefully enough to keep things afloat and maybe, just enough to continue development. Kind of think of it as, charging people to Beta Test, but at a low price. Not everyone will go for this, but there will be some that will.
And having something is better than having nothing with bankruptcy (and to compound it, none of the game's virtual assets can be sold since they are licensed).
We havent heard much out of what is going on with SGW, when i started to read on more and more about what might be going on i felt or thought of PE. I just dont think things are going to go well, it seems as if something is going on while there good PR person is trying to spin things. That is what a person in his position does.
originally posted by Agricola1 The complaint was about an employee being harrased by others at his workplace to sign up to the MMOGULS pyramid scheme.
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
~delete Wall O'Text~
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
All you did was prove the other people commenting against you correct. The suit was filed *BY* Mmoguls against Robert Guenther, and yet you still are trying to claim a connection that doesn't exist. You keep attempting to put Round Peg A into Square Hole B.
Your constant claims that Gary Whiting *is* Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, and that he is the only person who has any sort of control over CME are completely groundless. Just because the Firesky Company page only lists two individuals as being on the Board has very little bearing on who is truly in charge. Being the Director of a Board is just a title, and quite a few other people have a vote as well. For example: Donald Sutherland, co-founder of Cold Stone Creamery. As an investor, wouldn't he also be on the Board? And yet, he's not listed.
I'm sure your continuous conspiracy theories will attempt to spin that fact into line with your other theories as well. I've seen mention of a shell game elsewhere on this forum, and I'll give you an analogy of my own: You are trying to build a house of cards on quicksand.
Am I still a conspiracy theorist? Read the evidence, it's fact he owns all companies and it's all on public record! If you have evidence to the contrary please post it rather than trying to refute these facts with mere denial! I would appreciate any factual evidence you could link to refute this, I'd like to see a Stargate MMORPG, so please post your evidence and make us all happy!
EDIT: Also if MMOGULs and Cheyenne Mountain Affiliates were seperate entities they would've been listed seperatley on the lawsuit. However they are not legaly seperate entities, they are both owned by Gary Whiting!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
There is so much BS being spread around about CME and MMOGULS it is hard to seperate the truth from fiction, from what people are hoping for..
The facts are the facts.
Founder Gary Whiting and co-founder Fred Gagon were involved in a similar scam in 1995-1996. It involved a company known as Para Mas, the predecessor of NOW Corp. Gagon was indicted, took the fall for Whiting and was permanently banned in Arizona from selling or representing unregistered or non-exempt securities, Maricopa County Superior Court , State of Arizona CASE # CV95-02582.. The plantiffs were awarded $700K in damages and to date over $11MILLION in liens for damages have been filed against Gagon.
Along comes CME, Whiting seeks out his old fall guy,Gagon. Whiting was the slick guy in the corner office, Gagon, the used car salesman, was the promoter. A shell company formed by Gagon was GIVEN some 40MILLION shares of CME stock, along with more stock to Gagons family and brother.. That in addition to the unbelievable salary and expenses these guys were pulling down.. Sucking the company dry... When I confronted them both last December/ January, Gagon made a beeline for Brazil, where his current wife is from and hid away for a month.. Whiting files some bogus Workplace Harrassment suit against me to keep me away, it was dismissed two weeks later..
Fast forward to today, CME is dead. Vendors and most employees have not been paid for 2-3 months, not paid except for Whiting, Gagon, their families and some key cohorts.. MMOGULS, formed by the same two crooks, is on it's last leg, having just been kicked out of their Baseline Street headquarters for non payment on rent. They now office in a ranch house owned by a Whiting friend and co-conspirator, it is called MMOGULS RANCH...
Now Whiting, fearing I am close to throwing him in Bankruptcy, has filed for divorce and is trying to shelter assets. A self proclaimed polygamist, excommunicated from the Mormon church because of his practices, does not divorce a "wife"..Give me a break.... Divorce Case # FC2009-091656.. There is only one attorney, supposedly representing the MRS and Whiting representing himself, Pro Per..
Soon, Whiting and Gagon, Jenson, sorry, you to Deering and a few other cohorts will be before a Federal Bankruptcy Judge. This will bring things to a head much quicker than filing a complaint with the Arizona Corporate Commission and/or SEC. Bankruptcy fraud is serious stuff, plus all those assets he is trying to hide, well nice try.. The ACC will be there soon enough..
Why would I tell him all this on a blog? Because, I want him to know we have him in our crosshairs. I want him to sweat and look over his shoulder every fricking minute.. That bodyguard wont do him any good, nothing, I mean nothing, will keep Whiting from facing JUSTICE..
Too many devastated people, families and dreams. When the party is over, but you still have a product, penny ante thieves, full of their own BS and way way way out of their league, should just pack it in and turn it over to people who want to do the right thing. Instead he continiues to bleed it dry and threaten his investors with closing the project if they come after him.
Well, wrong day, wrong way, wrong guy.. Anyone that wants to join, email me or call me..
I just hope the game, Stargate Worlds, for the sake of the game, the hundreds of dedicated employees and the several thousand investors is not so contaminated that it dies, just before giving birth....
We will soon see.. We will also see if this group of non-confortational Mormons who have put in $30-$40 Million have any BALLS..
Comments
MMOGULs in court this time click seems that they were being sued alongside CME and its affiliates for harassment! So CME still claims to have nothing to do with MMOGULs? Oh sorry they said they have no contract with them, they just happen to get sued with them and all their affiliates every now and again, right?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I don't see Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment i just see Mmoguls / Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates. Just a news flash MMOguls has no contract with CME hence why all info on the mmoguls site linking them to sgw is gone.
News Flash Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates, Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, Cheyenne Mountain trademark, Itzyourmall, MMOGULS and Firesky are all owned by Gary Whiting. Infact MMOguls is only one floor below CME in the same building!
Another news flash, CME has a contract with itzyourmall (owned by GW), itzyourmall has a contract with MMOGULS (owned by Gary Whiting). What part of spreading out the liability don't you understand? Gary Whiting has all these companys registered in the state of Nevada he owns them all financially and legally, CME staff have been selling this pyramid scam to people themselves. SGW is a product wholly owned by Gary Whiting he is using his companies to sell it in a pyramid scheme whilst spreading out the liability when MMOGULS goes bankrupt.
If you still think CME is not involved wake up and smell the coffee or just put the crack down!
EDIT: Gary Whiting companies registered in the state of Nevada,
THE NOW CORPORATION
PARA MAS INTERNET, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN PRODUCTIONS, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN GAMES, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN MARKETING, LLC
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFFILIATES
ITZYOURMALL, INC.
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS ARIZONA, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS IDAHO, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS UTAH, LLC
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Do you only see what you want to see?
1. CME is not involved in this lawsuit.
2. MMOGUL's and CMA are the plaintiff and Robert Guenther is the defendent - the person the complaint is filed against.
3. The complaint has to do with animal harassment of some sort.
Do you only see what you want to see?
1. CME is not involved in this lawsuit.
2. MMOGUL's and CMA are the plaintiff and Robert Guenther is the defendent - the person the complaint is filed against.
3. The complaint has to do with animal harassment of some sort.
Companies owned by Gary Whiting Registered in the State of Nevada,
THE NOW CORPORATION
PARA MAS INTERNET, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN PRODUCTIONS, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN GAMES, INC.
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN MARKETING, LLC
CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFFILIATES
ITZYOURMALL, INC.
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS ARIZONA, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS IDAHO, LLC
ITZYOURMALL KIOSKS UTAH, LLC
The complaint was about an employee being harrased by others at his workplace to sign up to the MMOGULS pyramid scheme.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I suggest you guys need to read this
http://forums.stargateworlds.com/showpost.php?p=582003&postcount=57
In what tkksnow said he makes a very valid point about not listening to people outside of CME which some people like blakey fail to do.
tkksnow - Unless comments or statements from from the developers, please do not take them as official gospel or from anyone that can speak on it authoritatively.
ER no, I don't think I will. In fact, Developers are the last people I expect honesty from when things are going downhill, and outside sources of information tend to prove to be more accurate.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I don't see where that is stated besides Blakey's speculation. Care to enlighten me?
I don't see where that is stated besides Blakey's speculation. Care to enlighten me?
Its clearly what they are trying to read into it without any proof at all on the situation
I don't see where that is stated besides Blakey's speculation. Care to enlighten me?
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
After being escorted off the premises by police a restraining order went into effect on
January 5, 2009 for threats Guenther made to people at the Cheyenne Company.
The time has come to let the people know the truth about Bob Guenther and Attorney, Larry Friedman. Someone made a big mistake when they allowed them to communicate with the members of ASD. After proclaiming that he was supporting Mmougals, an online gaming company, he overstayed his welcome and was terminated after verbal attacks and threats. The local police escorted him off the premises and Cheyenne got a restraining order (we'll supply you with the document in the next email but you can find it if you look hard enough on the Internet, its public record) against Guenther on January 5th. Why??? Here's what happened.
In October 2008 Guenther met with Cheyenne Mountain CEO and agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock. Where was he getting this money? We'll let's see... From October 2008 to January 2009 Guenther sent many payments in small sums such as $2500, $5000 and so on, from a bank account of Jaffa Partners LP (keep reading), until it reached the sum of $60,000 by January 2009. (All other investors sent their funds in one lump sum of $100,000 or much more) According to unnamed sources, the CEO got very nervous about the way the money was arriving in such small increments, and not in one lump sum. After hearing rumors about an FBI investigation on both Guenther and Attorney Friedman regarding a certain Trust Fund, the CEO decided to wire the money back to the Jaffa Partners bank account in Texas where it originally came from which is listed below. This bank account is NOT the ASDMBA Trust fund but rather a separate account in the name of Jaffa Partners LP, a company set up by Attorney, Robert Feiger of the law Firm "Friedman & Feiger" on November 24, 2008. Attorney Robert Feiger is the "Registered Agent" on the original document. Here's the link to verify this information... http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/serv...ID=32038399864 We are investigating the others who are involved because money was also wired on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP to the Cheyenne Company from other banks around the country such as the National City Bank in Muskego Wisconsin. The name of the person on this bank account is David Lambert, a friend of Kath Danch, a Guenther supporter and spokesperson on his weekly conference calls. Apparently they share the same views and ethics as Guenther. Lambert wired $5,000 to the Cheyenne Company on behalf of Jaffa Partners LP. This money was also returned to his bank account (we also have this account number) in Wisconsin for the same reason. We're not sure what his involvement is or whether he and Danch are partners in Jaffa but we're looking into it. More on that later!!!
The name and address of the bank used by Jaffa Partners LP to wire the funds to the Cheyenne Company is...
United Community Bank
Highland Village Branch
2100 F. M. 407
Highland Village, TX 75077
(972) 317-9935
We have the bank account number but we will withhold it at this time. We also have the account for the ASDMBA Trust which is the Sterling Bank, Dallas Branch. We will also withhold the bank account number until further notice. And by the way, The ASDMBA Trust is not registered with the City, County or State of Texas. It doesn't have to be registered but why wouldn't it be registered if they had nothing to hide. Our investigator has verified this information and you can also verify it by calling the county clerk in Dallas. David Bruce Jenkins, Guenther's best friend, as Guenther has claimed, is listed on the bank account that bears the name ASDMBA Trust.
David Bruce Jenkins
1836 Leath Street
Dallas, Texas
When a person constantly criticizes others as Guenther does, they are actually looking in the mirror. Guenther has repeatedly accused many others of being scam artists and the reality is that we should have been looking at him and his friends all along.
Here are some legitimate questions people are asking...
* Where did the $60,000 come from to invest in Cheyenne stock and where is it now? Did they move it yet?
* Is it the money from the ASDMBA Trust?
* How much money was raised for the Trust?
* Who are the Trustees? (rumor is that Friedman and Guenther along with Guenther's Family and best Friend are Trustees. What a
surprise) Dan and Pam Richardson were original trustees and we don't know their status at this moment but we will soon.
* Why is there NO accounting of this money?
* Is Guenther or anyone receiving a Salary or any compensation from the Trust? (Did he and his family drain the funds?)
* Has he or anyone ever received a salary or compensation from the Trust?
* If they are receiving a salary, who authorized that?
* If there is no money left in the Trust, as stated by Guenther, how do we get standing in the Court in Washington since ASD has lost
or given up their efforts in the case?
* Are Friedman and Guenther trying to get control of the $93 million dollars forfeited by ASD? (We believe this was their intention all along.
Guenther told a few people recently that this was his intent along with starting and/or investing in another company with the funds)
Since we have the bank account number of the ASDMBA Trust and we know that David Jenkins is the only person authorized to sign checks, as verified by the bank, we should be able to find out the truth very soon. Guenther has stated several times that David Jenkins bought stock in Mmoguls (on tape) so it seems a little suspicious that they agreed to purchase $100,000 of Cheyenne stock in October. (Less than 3 months after beginning to raise funds for the retainer for ASDMBA) Where did the money come from, when previously Gunther seems to have lost everything from his "auto" businesses due to mismanagement and finally a bankruptcy. This happens to be the exact amount ($100,000) Friedman insisted upon as his retainer. Of course they will make up some lie or excuse when confronted. Remember, Guenther was convicted of lying in his Bankruptcy trial and consequently lost the case to the Caddle Company. He still owes them a large sum of money and they are willing to assist in any way they can.
What is Attorney Friedman's Involvement with Bob Guenther and Dan and Pam Richardson?
In August 2008, Larry Friedman was introduced by Guenther and the Richardson's to members of ASD via a conference call where Friedman spoke, we are told, to approximately 2,000 people. He said he would do several things if we were to hire him as the attorney for the ASD members. These four things are recorded on tape and can be verified.
Attorney Friedman agreed to...
1 support Andy Bowdoin in his battle with the AG (Friedman claimed that the Gov't did a sloppy job in their investigation)
2 help prove the business model of ASD. (he stated that the model worked and was a great way to advertise business)
3 get us standing in the court in Washington. (he claimed he had the ability to work in the courts in Washington)
4 help get our money back in the event that ASD lost the case. (he told us that the money belonged to us, the members)
Our belief in Friedman's professed expertise and his claim that he would help us because he had defeated this very AG's office in the past, along with the endorsement of both Guenther and the Richardson's, was the determining factor that led us to the decision to hire him as our attorney to support our efforts. After thousands of dollars were collected, Friedman stopped getting on our conference calls and Guenther began to bash ASD and Andy. Without anyone's approval, they decided to take a different course of action. They began talking about supporting the Gov't in its efforts to go after ASD Members. They turned against the business model and worst of all they didn't notify anyone of this change which is legally, morally and ethical wrong. We should have been given the chance to have our money returned if they were no longer supporting our cause. A lawyer can NOT decide to help the prosecution after agreeing to take any case. It appears that there were many violations on his part (we will send a document in the next email) Many ethical codes have been abused and the victims are you and the rest of the ASD members. We have NO accounting of the money. No one has actually seen the Trust that we can verify. We can NOT get a standing in the court because Guenther says the money is gone. Where did it go?
Furthermore, both Friedman and Guenther began communicating with William Cowden, from the AG's office in Washington and supplying Cowden with names of people to go after in ASD. They tried to convince Cowden that Friedman was the most logical choice to be appointed the Receiver of the $93 million dollars. Guenther has bragged that he is on a first name basis with "Bill" Cowden and that he and Friedman were now supporting the AG's in their effort. All of this is masked by the fact that Guenther claims that they are helping us get our money back from the Gov't. They are going after similar companies as well as ASD members who made money. He is using a very effective tactic called "misdirection". It is what magicians use to trick you. They get you to focus your attention on one thing which actually masks or prevents you from seeing the truth. It's very clever and calculated but Guenther has miscalculated the power of the people who he is trying to deceive. Coming from a long history of magic we have been watching this very closely over the past several months and have been waiting for him to trip up. After all, he's not a magician. He's just a "Want to Be Big Shot" who has lost all of his businesses over the years and is now living off of his wife's income to support himself until he was able to figure a way to get money from the ASD people.
He was terminated from Mmougals for threats made to people at that company and he never even paid the $250 entry fee to Mmougals to begin with. This guy tries to scam everyone he comes in contact with. He has now put his family at risk because an investigation, now in progress, will reveal his true intent. By the way, you should ask him to supply you with the documents or proof that he was a helicopter pilot in the military. He lied about that to everyone. We searched those records as well. People with low self esteem, will always brag about how accomplished they are, when in reality it is usually a figment of their imagination. This is the case with Guenther, a small man in stature, 5 feet 3 inches; at least it looks that way, with a very big mouth.
There's much, much more to talk about. A very large group of people have already filed complaints with the Texas Bar about Attorney Friedman. Why Friedman??? He was the attorney we entrusted our funds to from the very beginning. He's the attorney that agreed to help us and has done nothing. Guenther is NOT an attorney. We would not have sent a dime without the sales pitch to hire Friedman and get a retainer of $100,000 just to start the case. (We have contacted several Law Firms and discovered that a case like this would have required only $25, 000 as a retainer)
We have been lied to about the true intentions of both Guenther and Friedman and we are doing something about it. Apparently there is no money in the Trust to file our claim in Washington. Remember, after getting our money this attorney decided not to show up anymore and for those that requested refunds, very few people actually got their money returned. We need an accounting of this money and we need it now. Of course, Guenther will tell you different but the Texas Bar will disagree. The Bar will look into Friedman's involvement and ask him why so many people are filing complaints. Many have already done so. and we expect it to be 500 by February. Guenther will come out with all kinds of threats after he reads this, trying to stop you from filing the complaint with the Texas Bar, telling you that he and Friedman will sue you.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. He is as fictitious as the Wizard of OZ, who pretended to be a powerful man by scarring everyone with verbal abuse and scare tactics just to keep them from discovering the truth and the truth is... he is nothing but a blow hard that has no authority at all but uses misdirection to keep you from the truth. Don't be afraid, he can no more help you or hurt you than the Wizard himself. We have finally drawn back the curtain and now see the real man behind it and as you might have guessed, he's nothing but a weak fraud.
The first step is to get involved and help each other by filing a complaint with the "Texas Bar" as many are doing. Here's how to do it....
1 Go to www.texasbar.com
2 click on the "Contact Us" tab at the very top of the page, its small so look hard.
3 fill in your information
4 select SBOT department "Attorney Referral" You must select one in order to send.
5 In the subject line type... Urgent...Attorney Misrepresentation??? Use the question marks
6 in the Question/Comment area, type in a short description such as "We hired Attorney Friedman to help us in our efforts in a law suit
and he turned against us and began helping the prosecution". You may use the things that Friedman promised us, listed above but do
NOT tell your full length story here. It's not the place to make the official complaint.
7 In that same box make sure you end your statement/statements with this question...How do I file a complaint against Attorney
Larry Friedman? Where can I find the form? This is important because using the "Contact Us" tab is NOT the official complaint.
8 MAKE A COPY OF YOUR COMMENT SECTION AND NOTE THE DATE AND TIME SENT.
9 Here's the phone number for the Texas Bar in Austin... (800) 204-2222 it wouldn't hurt to flood the office with complaints
Remember, this is NOT the complaint form. You will fill that out later. This is a comment and question area only but we need to let them know and make sure we get the official complaint form. This is just the first step and we intend to keep the pressure on for as long as it takes.
This is just the beginning for these two characters and their team of bandits. I tell you this because it's time to stop them from fooling people with their lies and taking more of your hard earned dollars and give an accounting of the funds in the Trust. Guenther and Friedman had no intention of helping you get your money back. They were after the Receivership of the $93 million dollars that was frozen in August. They still plan to get their hands on that money and I promise they will exhaust the funds as they claimed other Receivers would do by lining their pockets with millions, and if there is anything left we may see some money a few years down the road but don't count on it. He told us in the very beginning that all the money is used up when they appoint a Receiver. What we didn't figure is that they, Guenther and Friedman, wanted to be the Receiver and get their hands on the $93 Million Dollars.
These two people should be trying right now to get our money back but instead they claim there are NO funds left and the only course to take now is have Friedman appointed as the Receiver and we are NOT going to let this happen. And if we discover and prove that these funds were used for anything other than the ASDMBA Trust then we will pursue action that will help put all of them in jail including the family members, David Jenkins, and original trustees Dan and Pam Richardson. We mentioned the Richardson's briefly above but these two people were very active in getting Larry Friedman hired by the members and in fact our investigation shows that Larry Friedman represented them in a case years ago. As soon as that information is examined thoroughly we will reveal the details of that as well.
It's been said by many people that Friedman, Guenther and the Richardson's raised close to $200,000 for the Trust and all of it is now gone. How much more are they going to take from these ASD members? This is one family that will not allow this, even if we have to hire a Lawyer ourselves against these unethical people. We have already spoken to a few lawyers in Dallas who by the way, have very little respect for Friedman and his firm.
Our investigation continues and we will let everyone know what we find. We are very aware that Guenther, Friedman, his partner Robert Feiger and Dan and Pam Richardson will not be happy but we have been unhappy for six months now, and it's time to let the world know what these people are up to and it's time to do something about it before it's too late. Fill out the form on www.texasbar.com and follow the instructions above and then get the proper documents filled out for the official complaint and MAIL (standard mail, US Postal Service) to the address at the end of the form. But make sure you complete the first step stated above. It's important to let the Bar know ASAP that Friedman has acted unethical and is hiding behind Guenther. The more contact we have with the BAR the faster they will act. so, make sure you do both things...
1- Fill out the form on the "Contact Us" section of http://www.texasbar.com/
2- get the Official form and physically mail it via the US Postal Service
Watch for the next correspondence to get a copy of the violations that Attorney Friedman has committed along with the Restraining Order/Harassment documents on Guenther. We will keep you posted on the progress of this matter but first things first...
File your complaint NOW before it's too late!!!
The Lone Ranger
Protector of the Innocent
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
one problem CME and firesky are not on stock exchange.
Buying stock it says, interesting thing is CME is not a floated company
Gary whiting sells capital stock in CME to investors click look under the article with "Cold Stone Creamery". Investors who wish to invest in CME purchase capital stock click.
Anyother questions?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
he cannot sell something that doesnt exist, you can only invest in the company, you cannot by STOCK (it has to be on the stock exchange for that), please understand how companies work.
The company in question regarding stock is Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, NOT CME.
If you had actually looked this up, you would find its impossible and very ILLEGAL to sell stock in a company that doesnt produce or sell anything and also doesnt have STOCK.
Now CAPITAL STOCK that you mention in the news is completely different thing to STOCK.
he cannot sell something that doesnt exist, you can only invest in the company, you cannot by STOCK (it has to be on the stock exchange for that), please understand how companies work.
The company in question regarding stock is Cheyenne Mountain and Affiliates, NOT CME.
If you had actually looked this up, you would find its impossible and very ILLEGAL to sell stock in a company that doesnt produce or sell anything and also doesnt have STOCK.
Now CAPITAL STOCK that you mention in the news is completely different thing to STOCK.
Are you breaking my balls for answering the question correctly?
Also I've established Guenther was after Whiting for the cash he believes Whiting scammed out of him. It doesn't say what type of stock Guenther bought or from which company it only says Cheyenne, however the deal was with Whiting so take your pick of Cheyenne companies owned by Whiting! CMA, CME and MMOGULs are owned by Whiting, CME and MMOGULs are in the same building and I'll assume CMA is too since they and MMOGULs filed the suit.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read it and understand what I just typed above, there are many types of stock and you don't need to be a fortune 500 company on the NYSE to sell stock. So just take a breath read and think about it for a bit rather than just biting my head off for bringing info to the forums.
Really guys my neck is begining to hurt!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
The point is that its more likely to be CMA and not CME, due to the actual name on the court tickets.
Please CME is not CMA, and please stop saying GW owns CME, he doesnt, he is the founder and a partner in that company, its not his personal property (even if he makes it look like that).
I believe you're mistaken once again.
I have no idea which company he believed he was buying stock from Gary Whitting, but I'm certain it was to do with Stargate in someway as the company he transfered the cash from to Gary was named "Jaffa Partners" or was that a coincidence? Also the company began with Cheyenne.
I never said CME was CMA, they are clearly different companies but are both owned by the same guy. Yes Whiting does own CME along with his partner Keith Deering and they are the only people on the board of the company. Deering also has a large stake in Itzyourmall, however I'm not certain of the exact stakes in either CME or Itzyourmall this month. Maybe you can dig up who is the majority shareholder in CME and post a link if you wish to prove otherwise? Then I can take a rest for a bit and scrutinize your info with a fine toothed comb?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Again.....so. They are broke.....done. We will wait and soon learn that both MMOGULS and CME are broke. Why keep rehashing that the company is not loaded with money? Gary Whiting is doing TERRIBLE THINGS.....so. Perhaps he will go to jail. Next.
Sounds to me like he is trying to save a poor company. I don't think this is the first in the world. Lawsuits are definitly not unique in America.
Looks can be decieving and in this case they really are. I'm hoping CME goes belly up and MGM sells this IP to an experienced MMO developer that will do it justice.
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
~delete Wall O'Text~
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
All you did was prove the other people commenting against you correct. The suit was filed *BY* Mmoguls against Robert Guenther, and yet you still are trying to claim a connection that doesn't exist. You keep attempting to put Round Peg A into Square Hole B.
Your constant claims that Gary Whiting *is* Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, and that he is the only person who has any sort of control over CME are completely groundless. Just because the Firesky Company page only lists two individuals as being on the Board has very little bearing on who is truly in charge. Being the Director of a Board is just a title, and quite a few other people have a vote as well. For example: Donald Sutherland, co-founder of Cold Stone Creamery. As an investor, wouldn't he also be on the Board? And yet, he's not listed.
I'm sure your continuous conspiracy theories will attempt to spin that fact into line with your other theories as well. I've seen mention of a shell game elsewhere on this forum, and I'll give you an analogy of my own: You are trying to build a house of cards on quicksand.
We havent heard much out of what is going on with SGW, when i started to read on more and more about what might be going on i felt or thought of PE. I just dont think things are going to go well, it seems as if something is going on while there good PR person is trying to spin things. That is what a person in his position does.
Bob Guenther escorted by Phoenix, Arizona Police and Terminated from
Mmoguls (Cheyenne Mountain & Affiliates)
~delete Wall O'Text~
Enlightened now? So Guenther another scam artists believes he got scammed by Gary Whiting and went to his offices to collect his money and ended up making physical threats, sound right?
All you did was prove the other people commenting against you correct. The suit was filed *BY* Mmoguls against Robert Guenther, and yet you still are trying to claim a connection that doesn't exist. You keep attempting to put Round Peg A into Square Hole B.
Your constant claims that Gary Whiting *is* Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, and that he is the only person who has any sort of control over CME are completely groundless. Just because the Firesky Company page only lists two individuals as being on the Board has very little bearing on who is truly in charge. Being the Director of a Board is just a title, and quite a few other people have a vote as well. For example: Donald Sutherland, co-founder of Cold Stone Creamery. As an investor, wouldn't he also be on the Board? And yet, he's not listed.
I'm sure your continuous conspiracy theories will attempt to spin that fact into line with your other theories as well. I've seen mention of a shell game elsewhere on this forum, and I'll give you an analogy of my own: You are trying to build a house of cards on quicksand.
Arizona Corporation Commission
01/17/2009 State of Arizona Public Access System
File Number: F-1405173-5
Corp. Name: CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN ENTERTAINMENT, INC.
GARY WHITING
CHAIRMAN
4140 EAST BASELINE ROAD #208
MESA,AZ 85206
Date of Taking Office: 09/30/2005
Last Updated: 11/20/2008
Nevada Secretary of State Business Entity Search
Corp. Name: THE NOW CORPORATION
Business Entity Information
Status: Default on 12/1/2008 File Date: 11/23/1993
Type: Domestic Corporation Corp Number: C15147-1993
Qualifying State: NV List of Officers Due: 11/30/2008
President - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 3707 EAST SOUTHERN AVENUE STE 2062 Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85206
Secretary - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 3707 EAST SOUTHERN AVENUE STE 2062 Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85206
Treasurer - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 3707 EAST SOUTHERN AVENUE STE 2062 Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85206
Director - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 3707 EAST SOUTHERN AVENUE STE 2062 Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85206
Nevada Secretary of State Business Entity Search
Corp. Name: ITZYOURMALL, INC.
Business Entity Information
Status: Revoked on 7/1/2008 File Date: 6/2/2006 10:55:33 AM
Type: Domestic Corporation Corp Number: E0408752006-1
Qualifying State: NV List of Officers Due: 6/30/2007
President - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 2335 E. ELMORO CIR. Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85204
Secretary - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 2335 E. ELMORO CIR. Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85204
Treasurer - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 2335 E. ELMORO CIR. Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85204
Director - GARY WHITING
Address 1: 2335 E. ELMORO CIR. Address 2:
City: MESA State: AZ
Zip Code: 85204
Remeber that Now Corp. owns Itzyourmall, which owns Mmoguls.
and this click.
Am I still a conspiracy theorist? Read the evidence, it's fact he owns all companies and it's all on public record! If you have evidence to the contrary please post it rather than trying to refute these facts with mere denial! I would appreciate any factual evidence you could link to refute this, I'd like to see a Stargate MMORPG, so please post your evidence and make us all happy!
EDIT: Also if MMOGULs and Cheyenne Mountain Affiliates were seperate entities they would've been listed seperatley on the lawsuit. However they are not legaly seperate entities, they are both owned by Gary Whiting!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I visit this website alot (MMORPG) thought I recently registered because I had an urge to post.
Agricola1 clearly owned this thread :P
SOE to the rescue!!
There is so much BS being spread around about CME and MMOGULS it is hard to seperate the truth from fiction, from what people are hoping for..
The facts are the facts.
Founder Gary Whiting and co-founder Fred Gagon were involved in a similar scam in 1995-1996. It involved a company known as Para Mas, the predecessor of NOW Corp. Gagon was indicted, took the fall for Whiting and was permanently banned in Arizona from selling or representing unregistered or non-exempt securities, Maricopa County Superior Court , State of Arizona CASE # CV95-02582.. The plantiffs were awarded $700K in damages and to date over $11MILLION in liens for damages have been filed against Gagon.
Along comes CME, Whiting seeks out his old fall guy,Gagon. Whiting was the slick guy in the corner office, Gagon, the used car salesman, was the promoter. A shell company formed by Gagon was GIVEN some 40MILLION shares of CME stock, along with more stock to Gagons family and brother.. That in addition to the unbelievable salary and expenses these guys were pulling down.. Sucking the company dry... When I confronted them both last December/ January, Gagon made a beeline for Brazil, where his current wife is from and hid away for a month.. Whiting files some bogus Workplace Harrassment suit against me to keep me away, it was dismissed two weeks later..
Fast forward to today, CME is dead. Vendors and most employees have not been paid for 2-3 months, not paid except for Whiting, Gagon, their families and some key cohorts.. MMOGULS, formed by the same two crooks, is on it's last leg, having just been kicked out of their Baseline Street headquarters for non payment on rent. They now office in a ranch house owned by a Whiting friend and co-conspirator, it is called MMOGULS RANCH...
Now Whiting, fearing I am close to throwing him in Bankruptcy, has filed for divorce and is trying to shelter assets. A self proclaimed polygamist, excommunicated from the Mormon church because of his practices, does not divorce a "wife"..Give me a break.... Divorce Case # FC2009-091656.. There is only one attorney, supposedly representing the MRS and Whiting representing himself, Pro Per..
Soon, Whiting and Gagon, Jenson, sorry, you to Deering and a few other cohorts will be before a Federal Bankruptcy Judge. This will bring things to a head much quicker than filing a complaint with the Arizona Corporate Commission and/or SEC. Bankruptcy fraud is serious stuff, plus all those assets he is trying to hide, well nice try.. The ACC will be there soon enough..
Why would I tell him all this on a blog? Because, I want him to know we have him in our crosshairs. I want him to sweat and look over his shoulder every fricking minute.. That bodyguard wont do him any good, nothing, I mean nothing, will keep Whiting from facing JUSTICE..
Too many devastated people, families and dreams. When the party is over, but you still have a product, penny ante thieves, full of their own BS and way way way out of their league, should just pack it in and turn it over to people who want to do the right thing. Instead he continiues to bleed it dry and threaten his investors with closing the project if they come after him.
Well, wrong day, wrong way, wrong guy.. Anyone that wants to join, email me or call me..
I just hope the game, Stargate Worlds, for the sake of the game, the hundreds of dedicated employees and the several thousand investors is not so contaminated that it dies, just before giving birth....
We will soon see.. We will also see if this group of non-confortational Mormons who have put in $30-$40 Million have any BALLS..