Certainly an interesting read, but as Ephimero (Fleiva) has been played in Korean beta already and(if i'm not mistaken) korean retail, what he says has far more weight(and accuracy) than someone who has not played (IE myself). The bot issue has been discussed time and time again in the forums back at Aionsource. I beleive the general consensus amound retail players is that bots were horrible when they first started on their server, and after several weeks, there are few to no bots left period, NCsoft has been cracking down through bans on the bot population, very similar to what happened when WoW was first released(full of bots).
If this is an indication of how the NA/EU release will be, then we have every right to be optimistic.
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay. -Quote Isoke(VN boards)
L2 is a very botfriendly game, since the grind is massive and the economy is fucked. Botting and RMT is popular because players basically need to do it to stay competetive. Its a designflaw in the game.
Aion is different and normal players don't have to bot to compete. In fact you will most likely level much faster without one. Botting in Aion won't be mainstream. RMT is still a problem though, and the goldsellers are the ones who do almost all the botting. Hopefully NCsoft has learned it's lesson and realise they loose customers if they let bots run rampage. Their game won't be nearly as successful if it's botinfested, and from what we have seen they are being much much more offensive in banning them. They have also sued the makers of the bots, and forced RMT services to close down websites. It seems they are serious.
Players in retail have also reported that the numbers of bots are steadily declining.
I do have faith that NCwest also will keep an active GM-staff to purge the cheaters. And Ayase has said that they are hiring "The right people for the right positions." I'm not sure what that means but I choose to interpret it as dealing with these issues. I'll have faith that the Aion-staff keeps the servers clean until I have seen evidence to the contrary.
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well
Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come.
I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling.
That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when.
I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII.
I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come. I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling. That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when. I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII. I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come. I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling. That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when. I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII. I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
Because NCsoft has provided them with nothing but golden cows, farmers expected a profitable bussiness out of Aion, it was about time for them to realize that the features in this game aren't enough for such quantities of bots, there will be bots, but since the demand is smaller, the situation is pretty controllabe for GMs.
You've not posted these last 6 years, guess you were waiting for your chance to make it clear you're pretty stupid.
It would appear you have teh faith
Im playing already and I understand how the endgame economy is working, there's no need for faith.
I'm glad you have teh faith. You see, I was there in the very, very, very beginning of L2. I saw first-hand the rise of the -CN- on Erica. I saw the bots take over the game... and they are still rampant this many years later.
What you would call faith, I would call... well, I think you know
I was in closed beta on L2 plus played it 1 or 2 years after that so I know what you mean about L2 and I can agree. But that Aion is going to be a Bot game I think you are very very wrong. Never judge a book by its cover, did your mom never say that to you ? And you are doing that now since you havent played it, its pure speculation.
Two weeks after launch you started to see a lot of bots. And NC started banning bots but the gold farmers had lots of accounts so the impact on them was small.
The next step that NC took was to ban all accounts that used the same KSSN of the banned bot, and by doing that the gold farmers were losing all of there bots in one shot. Profet / lost margin for them went into the tank (there is no profet in low lvl char's).
The way the game is set up, A botter just can't roll in the abyss (insta death). So that just leaves the main lands.
From the start of the game, all the way today, you can see a noticable difference in the amount of bots. You still see them but there are far less now.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come. I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling. That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when. I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII. I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
I suppose this is probably to hard for you to understand, after all you did make this thread, but maybe it's because a bot does not require a full time player and thus goldsellers can reduce costs on staff by letting bot programs do the work?
Stop making ignorant posts about games you know nothing about.
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come. I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling. That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when. I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII. I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
I suppose this is probably to hard for you to understand, after all you did make this thread, but maybe it's because a bot does not require a full time player and thus goldsellers can reduce costs on staff by letting bot programs do the work?
Stop making ignorant posts about games you know nothing about.
Stop trying to be an ebully. It doesn't become you. Besides I am not one of your nephews who thinks you are cool bc you are 37 and still live with grammy and grampy. Pinching grampy's beer from the fridge on Saturday night to get in teh mood for your weekly (daily maybe?) date with Rosey Palms and her five sisters
Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
The game can and will defend its self, it does not need fans to prop it up. As far as you go, You have not stated nothing that has been said before about this game and or any other game.
You see L2 and think aion is the same because they have the same publisher and that is all. Kinda weak if you ask me. Try the game first then come back and maybe i'll listen to you.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
The game can and will defend its self, it does not need fans to prop it up. As far as you go, You have not stated nothing that has been said before about this game and or any other game.
You see L2 and think aion is the same because they have the same publisher and that is all. Kinda weak if you ask me. Try the game first then come back and maybe i'll listen to you.
You should maybe rethink your statement about the preceived link between botting in Aion and L2 being weak, especially since about 1/3 of those responding to the poll agree with me. Like it or not, those numbers show an utter lack of confidence in NCsoft and their ability to curb botting in general.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
wow ive never seen so many idiots in one place lol. Mal Juun u some kinda troll man but u funny for gettin all these people worked up about it lol. In my opinion i think aion will be alright. Dont really care much for the bots. Hey maybe ncsoft will try harder with this one and get rid of em all... or most... some...1/3? either way ima play it until i get bored. Also my recommendation for yall is to lay off the crack oops i mean mmo's. try some single player games itll do ya good.
wow ive never seen so many idiots in one place lol. Mal Juun u some kinda troll man but u funny for gettin all these people worked up about it lol. In my opinion i think aion will be alright. Dont really care much for the bots. Hey maybe ncsoft will try harder with this one and get rid of em all... or most... some...1/3? either way ima play it until i get bored. Also my recommendation for yall is to lay off the crack oops i mean mmo's. try some single player games itll do ya good.
Thanks I guess, but I thought I was playing more the role of an Agent Provokateur
Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
Saying it is a +1 bot grinder like Lineage 2 is not civil, it's ignorant. To be honnest i'd rather have fans scare away trolls such as yourself who are unable to look things up before opening their mouth.
It is rather funny, no matter what any of us say here Mal thinks he knows better. Stay, Ephimero, and myself have Korean accounts (or did) and if you don't want to listen to what we have to say then so be it.
The bot population has declined a lot since the game first released. Now about the only time you run into them they are either stuck on an object or falling to their deaths only to respawn and do it again. The bot population was never to the extent of L2 but that is because the grind is significantly faster in Aion making the bots useless to grind exp and just slow to farm money.
Moral of the story, believe whatever you want but if you don't know the situation firsthand don't try and preach it to everyone else.
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Mal is just a troll of all game boards (post record). All the boards are feeding him, and hes eating it up. continue feeding him and he will eat it up, and continue to post ignorant nonsense.
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Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
Saying it is a +1 bot grinder like Lineage 2 is not civil, it's ignorant. To be honnest i'd rather have fans scare away trolls such as yourself who are unable to look things up before opening their mouth.
It is true that I titled this thread for its shock value for gaining maximum attention. It is also true that I am not playing the game in Korea. This is not about truth, or trolling, or anything other than the average gamers view of Aion. Or more importantly, NCsoft and its willingness to curtail botting on this side of the pond. And I intentionally did say willingness, not ability.
Like it or not, a full third of those kind enough to take the poll (I hope they were honest) share the same view that Aion will be nothing more than L2 re-visited. Of course the poll is not a scientific marker, nor have we had the optimum number of responders to get a truely accurate impression of how ingrained or far reaching this view is.
Think of it like this, we can agree that most mmo'ers do not visit forums. Now lets say that you were one of those gamers, and that you had previously played L2. Now, you were at Wal-mart and see the shiny new boxed edition of Aion. The first thing you notice is that the art style is very similar to the character models of L2, or at least they appear that way to me. Second thing you notice is that the game is made by Ncsoft. At about this point the classic "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" starts playing in your head.
I have no reason to not believe those of you who are in the game atm reporting that NCsoft is really doing something about the botters this go around. And I do believe you, and I am very pleased as well with this. You see, your battle as fans (I will forgo the term fanboi... just this once) is not with me, or even those who think like me, it is with NCsoft and their current image as a bot friendly game developer.
Lastly, instead of greeting ignorance (and I am using the word in its true meaning of an uninformed opinion) with venom and spite. You should face it with fact. Notice I am not saying you should go about it in a weak wristed fashion. But rather, you should refrain from the name calling unless it is directed at you personally.
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A troll is obvious troll.
+1 for being ignorant!
Certainly an interesting read, but as Ephimero (Fleiva) has been played in Korean beta already and(if i'm not mistaken) korean retail, what he says has far more weight(and accuracy) than someone who has not played (IE myself). The bot issue has been discussed time and time again in the forums back at Aionsource. I beleive the general consensus amound retail players is that bots were horrible when they first started on their server, and after several weeks, there are few to no bots left period, NCsoft has been cracking down through bans on the bot population, very similar to what happened when WoW was first released(full of bots).
If this is an indication of how the NA/EU release will be, then we have every right to be optimistic.
It's almost 2010, and I am just not wiling to tolerate clunky graphics while being told that "gameplay is more important than graphics". That excuse won't wash with me any more. I expect my games to have both good graphics and good gameplay.
-Quote Isoke(VN boards)
L2 and Aion are very different games.
L2 is a very botfriendly game, since the grind is massive and the economy is fucked. Botting and RMT is popular because players basically need to do it to stay competetive. Its a designflaw in the game.
Aion is different and normal players don't have to bot to compete. In fact you will most likely level much faster without one. Botting in Aion won't be mainstream. RMT is still a problem though, and the goldsellers are the ones who do almost all the botting. Hopefully NCsoft has learned it's lesson and realise they loose customers if they let bots run rampage. Their game won't be nearly as successful if it's botinfested, and from what we have seen they are being much much more offensive in banning them. They have also sued the makers of the bots, and forced RMT services to close down websites. It seems they are serious.
Players in retail have also reported that the numbers of bots are steadily declining.
I do have faith that NCwest also will keep an active GM-staff to purge the cheaters. And Ayase has said that they are hiring "The right people for the right positions." I'm not sure what that means but I choose to interpret it as dealing with these issues. I'll have faith that the Aion-staff keeps the servers clean until I have seen evidence to the contrary.
I have been Playing Since Beta and am currently still playing with several Friends and i can say that the Bot Condition is Declining, i remember we rolled on a new Server and it was infested beyond belief but within a few days BOOYA they were gone it was such a Relief, you still do see them but in minisule numbers and once weekly Maintenance comes about goodbye to them bots as well
Label this game as you like i know that they are doing a great job now so when it does release in NA/EU they will be rdy and will crush the bots as soon as they come.
I agree that this is not a good game for bots, well not needed like some out there, it is not a hard leveling game (a little more than WoW) an the Bots stand no chance going to the Abyss, plus not to mention when a Rift opens and the opposing faction enters, again the bots are destroyed so even if you are thinking of Botting you are seriously wasting your time, the downtime from being ganked, the Downtime from ppl like me training a crap load of mobs onto them to kill em off costing them a fortune in Rez Repair lol, so yeah a bot is pretty useless and like some 1 else said the bots you will see are for RMT if you botted for levels because you are lazy then you are in for 1 hell of a long time with leveling.
That aside the Game is Amazing, competetive, heart racing and just plain Fun, if you like PvP you are going to love this game, if you love PVE you are going to love this game and of course dontcome to me and say i have tried it and it is just like WoW casue it is not, it is a sinilar kind of gameplay but never stated it to be something revolutionary anyways. This game has the Most potential i have seen in a game since god knows when.
I have been a loyal and devoted LoTRO fan since it's birth but to be honest i think this game has stolen that title and given me back my feeling i used to get playing FFII.
I say good job on this title NcSoft keep up the good work, i think you have a winner here.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
<Insert insult about ur fat mom here>
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
Because NCsoft has provided them with nothing but golden cows, farmers expected a profitable bussiness out of Aion, it was about time for them to realize that the features in this game aren't enough for such quantities of bots, there will be bots, but since the demand is smaller, the situation is pretty controllabe for GMs.
Considering most Western games have anti-bot measures, and a hack team, I don't think they will.
Botting is a much bigger issue to us in the West compared the Asian releases, and this game is being localized.
It would appear you have teh faith
Im playing already and I understand how the endgame economy is working, there's no need for faith.
I'm glad you have teh faith. You see, I was there in the very, very, very beginning of L2. I saw first-hand the rise of the -CN- on Erica. I saw the bots take over the game... and they are still rampant this many years later.
What you would call faith, I would call... well, I think you know
I was in closed beta on L2 plus played it 1 or 2 years after that so I know what you mean about L2 and I can agree. But that Aion is going to be a Bot game I think you are very very wrong. Never judge a book by its cover, did your mom never say that to you ? And you are doing that now since you havent played it, its pure speculation.
Considering most Western games have anti-bot measures, and a hack team, I don't think they will.
Botting is a much bigger issue to us in the West compared the Asian releases, and this game is being localized.
Now I've seen everything.
Two weeks after launch you started to see a lot of bots. And NC started banning bots but the gold farmers had lots of accounts so the impact on them was small.
The next step that NC took was to ban all accounts that used the same KSSN of the banned bot, and by doing that the gold farmers were losing all of there bots in one shot. Profet / lost margin for them went into the tank (there is no profet in low lvl char's).
The way the game is set up, A botter just can't roll in the abyss (insta death). So that just leaves the main lands.
From the start of the game, all the way today, you can see a noticable difference in the amount of bots. You still see them but there are far less now.
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It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
I suppose this is probably to hard for you to understand, after all you did make this thread, but maybe it's because a bot does not require a full time player and thus goldsellers can reduce costs on staff by letting bot programs do the work?
Stop making ignorant posts about games you know nothing about.
It is refreshing to hear from the more reasonable fans (not the rabid, delusional fanbois) of the game. It just seems that all of you are saying that there are still many bots in the game (the gold sellers are botting), but that botting is a useless way of lvl'n and making money.
My only concern is, if it's so useless, why are the gold sellers botting in the first place? I mean, they are running a business and it would seem like they would know how to maximize profits by maximizing their time spent doing what they do.
I suppose this is probably to hard for you to understand, after all you did make this thread, but maybe it's because a bot does not require a full time player and thus goldsellers can reduce costs on staff by letting bot programs do the work?
Stop making ignorant posts about games you know nothing about.
Stop trying to be an ebully. It doesn't become you. Besides I am not one of your nephews who thinks you are cool bc you are 37 and still live with grammy and grampy. Pinching grampy's beer from the fridge on Saturday night to get in teh mood for your weekly (daily maybe?) date with Rosey Palms and her five sisters
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Why even try to explain it to Mal-Juun. He does not even read the post we type. He refuses to believe the people that are playing the game, Instead he sits on the outside and makes statments that he can't back up inreguards to aion.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
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I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
The game can and will defend its self, it does not need fans to prop it up. As far as you go, You have not stated nothing that has been said before about this game and or any other game.
You see L2 and think aion is the same because they have the same publisher and that is all. Kinda weak if you ask me. Try the game first then come back and maybe i'll listen to you.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
The game can and will defend its self, it does not need fans to prop it up. As far as you go, You have not stated nothing that has been said before about this game and or any other game.
You see L2 and think aion is the same because they have the same publisher and that is all. Kinda weak if you ask me. Try the game first then come back and maybe i'll listen to you.
You should maybe rethink your statement about the preceived link between botting in Aion and L2 being weak, especially since about 1/3 of those responding to the poll agree with me. Like it or not, those numbers show an utter lack of confidence in NCsoft and their ability to curb botting in general.
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Ok , what ever floats your boat.
bye bye. Good luck in what ever game you play.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Thanks for that. Good luck to you as well
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wow ive never seen so many idiots in one place lol. Mal Juun u some kinda troll man but u funny for gettin all these people worked up about it lol. In my opinion i think aion will be alright. Dont really care much for the bots. Hey maybe ncsoft will try harder with this one and get rid of em all... or most... some...1/3? either way ima play it until i get bored. Also my recommendation for yall is to lay off the crack oops i mean mmo's. try some single player games itll do ya good.
Thanks I guess, but I thought I was playing more the role of an Agent Provokateur
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I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
Saying it is a +1 bot grinder like Lineage 2 is not civil, it's ignorant. To be honnest i'd rather have fans scare away trolls such as yourself who are unable to look things up before opening their mouth.
It is rather funny, no matter what any of us say here Mal thinks he knows better. Stay, Ephimero, and myself have Korean accounts (or did) and if you don't want to listen to what we have to say then so be it.
The bot population has declined a lot since the game first released. Now about the only time you run into them they are either stuck on an object or falling to their deaths only to respawn and do it again. The bot population was never to the extent of L2 but that is because the grind is significantly faster in Aion making the bots useless to grind exp and just slow to farm money.
Moral of the story, believe whatever you want but if you don't know the situation firsthand don't try and preach it to everyone else.
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Mal is just a troll of all game boards (post record). All the boards are feeding him, and hes eating it up. continue feeding him and he will eat it up, and continue to post ignorant nonsense.
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I believe that I am reading them, and answering most of them as civilly as possible. Problem is that the majority if the fanboi base would rather try to insult me instead of defending their game. I find it rather amusing really bc they are doing far more damage to Aion's image then I ever could
Saying it is a +1 bot grinder like Lineage 2 is not civil, it's ignorant. To be honnest i'd rather have fans scare away trolls such as yourself who are unable to look things up before opening their mouth.
It is true that I titled this thread for its shock value for gaining maximum attention. It is also true that I am not playing the game in Korea. This is not about truth, or trolling, or anything other than the average gamers view of Aion. Or more importantly, NCsoft and its willingness to curtail botting on this side of the pond. And I intentionally did say willingness, not ability.
Like it or not, a full third of those kind enough to take the poll (I hope they were honest) share the same view that Aion will be nothing more than L2 re-visited. Of course the poll is not a scientific marker, nor have we had the optimum number of responders to get a truely accurate impression of how ingrained or far reaching this view is.
Think of it like this, we can agree that most mmo'ers do not visit forums. Now lets say that you were one of those gamers, and that you had previously played L2. Now, you were at Wal-mart and see the shiny new boxed edition of Aion. The first thing you notice is that the art style is very similar to the character models of L2, or at least they appear that way to me. Second thing you notice is that the game is made by Ncsoft. At about this point the classic "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" starts playing in your head.
I have no reason to not believe those of you who are in the game atm reporting that NCsoft is really doing something about the botters this go around. And I do believe you, and I am very pleased as well with this. You see, your battle as fans (I will forgo the term fanboi... just this once) is not with me, or even those who think like me, it is with NCsoft and their current image as a bot friendly game developer.
Lastly, instead of greeting ignorance (and I am using the word in its true meaning of an uninformed opinion) with venom and spite. You should face it with fact. Notice I am not saying you should go about it in a weak wristed fashion. But rather, you should refrain from the name calling unless it is directed at you personally.
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