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Cryptic Announces No Ship, Starbase Interiors

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  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063
    Originally posted by warrior41

    Originally posted by ktanner3


    A DEV just recenlty stated on the official website that there are tons of interiors in the game . There are countless missions that are based inside the interiors of ships.He also said that giving FUNCTIONAL interiors will be a top priority after launch. This is much better than throwing in interiors at launch that have no use other than scenery. As stated about a qazillion times, there will be free roaming interiors in the game but they are waiting to put them in because they want to do them right.

     

     Not quite...there will be ship interiors but only during instances missions. You won't be able to visit your interiors beyond missions. That's no difference than Elite Force. 

    There will be no starbase interiors, except for Deep Space 9 as confirmed. 

    There was NO PROMISE made of functional interiors at a later date. I've been around long enough here to not give game DEVS the benefit of the doubt. 

    Remember, at the vegas announcement Jack Emmertt promised free roaming ship interiors to a specific question. Why did he lie? 



     

    Yes there was a promise of functional interiors because it just happened on the official website. If you don't want to believe them then that's on you. In Vegas Jack Emmert said there would be free roaming interiors but he never said it would be available at launch.That's not a lie.

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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476

    There making a costly mistake, I will not be playing till there are interiors.

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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    Originally posted by ktanner3





     

    Yes there was a promise of functional interiors because it just happened on the official website. If you don't want to believe them then that's on you. In Vegas Jack Emmert said there would be free roaming interiors but he never said it would be available at launch.That's not a lie.

     

    It is basically a lie. After so many years and so many games and so many promisses.

    Seriously, we MMO gamers have grown tired of these so called promisses. They will never happen and if they finally happen, the game has become years old and has hardly any community left.

    A fine and prime example is player housing in World of Warcraft. We are now what? 4-5 years down the road, 2 expansions later... and what?

    EverQuest 2. Guild Halls. Took SOE 5 years to finally come up with it.

     

    Seriously, give me a break here. Cryptic is turning this game into an Epic Fail.

    Appearently they don't have the time nor the funds to make a decent and worthy Start Trek MMO, so this will end up being just another shitty MMO thrown on the market with hardly any features in wich players will be bored and gone 2 months after.

    Nowadays they just use an existing engine and try push out a MMO within 2-3 years (ala joke like WAR).

    MMO's used to take at least 5 years of development to release a game with actual depth, great gameplay and enough features to keep players hooked to the game for a long long time.

    Cheers

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063
    Originally posted by Guillermo197

    Originally posted by ktanner3





     

    Yes there was a promise of functional interiors because it just happened on the official website. If you don't want to believe them then that's on you. In Vegas Jack Emmert said there would be free roaming interiors but he never said it would be available at launch.That's not a lie.

     

    It is basically a lie. After so many years and so many games and so many promisses.

    Seriously, we MMO gamers have grown tired of these so called promisses. They will never happen and if they finally happen, the game has become years old and has hardly any community left.

    A fine and prime example is player housing in World of Warcraft. We are now what? 4-5 years down the road, 2 expansions later... and what?

    EverQuest 2. Guild Halls. Took SOE 5 years to finally come up with it.

    This is not WOW,Everquest or SOE. Your fights belong with the makers of those games I completely agree that SOE is a shady outfit and I wouldn't have anything to do with those failures passing themselves off as game developers. But it isn't right to pass your anger with those people onto other game developers. Far as i can see, Cryptic isn't one of those people . If they turn out to be as bad as SOE, then I'd join you in denouncing them. Until then I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.It is completely disengenious of you to call Cryptic a lier just because SOE lied to you. Stop painting with a broad brush.I notice the same broad brush treatment being given to TOR, even though the makers of that game have a successful track record in gaming.The very franchise they created and one which was awarded "game of the year" is by the same developers guys like you are attacking. Enough already.

     

    Seriously, give me a break here. Cryptic is turning this game into an Epic Fail.

    Appearently they don't have the time nor the funds to make a decent and worthy Start Trek MMO, so this will end up being just another shitty MMO thrown on the market with hardly any features in wich players will be bored and gone 2 months after.

    Nowadays they just use an existing engine and try push out a MMO within 2-3 years (ala joke like WAR).

    MMO's used to take at least 5 years of development to release a game with actual depth, great gameplay and enough features to keep players hooked to the game for a long long time.

    And you don't think that technology hasn't come a long way in the last ten years that might make the development process quicker? I'll reserve judgment on the game when it is actually released, which hasn't been announced yet. Call me crazy, but I don't see how you can predict a game's failure when it hasn't even gone into Beta yet. That's like taking a big crap in the wind and making a prediction on how bad it will smell down the road.

     



     

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  • admriker4admriker4 Member Posts: 1,070

    Ive been following this game since PE days. Based on the features, I figured STO would be a sandbox game like EVE except for two major differences.

    1. combat wouldnt be the sole focus of the game

    2. ship avatar wouldnt be our toon

    With this announcement I gotta say BLEH. Besides a few instanced missions where Im likely solo my ship will be my avatar. This totally blows.

    I could live with no ship interiors but no space stations either ??? How and where am I supposed to interact with other players ? This means one thing to me....

    game is focused on combat. And thats an epic fail considering Star Trek is only 5% combat and 95% social stuff. The trekkies arent going to like massive fleet battles as the focus of gameplay. Many are hoping for a more social experience and no space stations pretty much kills that

  • HagonbokHagonbok Member Posts: 365
    Originally posted by admriker4


    Ive been following this game since PE days. Based on the features, I figured STO would be a sandbox game like EVE except for two major differences.
    1. combat wouldnt be the sole focus of the game
    2. ship avatar wouldnt be our toon
    With this announcement I gotta say BLEH. Besides a few instanced missions where Im likely solo my ship will be my avatar. This totally blows.
    I could live with no ship interiors but no space stations either ??? How and where am I supposed to interact with other players ? This means one thing to me....
    game is focused on combat. And thats an epic fail considering Star Trek is only 5% combat and 95% social stuff. The trekkies arent going to like massive fleet battles as the focus of gameplay. Many are hoping for a more social experience and no space stations pretty much kills that

    This is yet another example of someone that hasn't really learnt about the game but is going off of limited and wrong information, or is deliberately skewing the facts to keep up an attempt to drum up negativity.

    1. It's not going to be "a few instanced missions you're likely to solo". Planetside missions are going to make up @ equal amount of the episodic mission content, and although one has the OPTION to use one's bridge crew NPCs as "pets" for these, they'll still be able to be done in groups of 5 players, and they've said there'll be some raid type content where there'll be more than that..

    2. There is going to be many space stations in the game, and we will be able to walk around on them and interact with others, as well as all the planetside cities, towns, installations, etc etc, where we will be able to interact with others. There just won't be player built ones in at launch.

     

  • xbellx777xbellx777 Member Posts: 716

    i just read the link and i have to agree, thats pretty lame. a big part of star trek is seeing the ship and being able to walk around it and see the crew working. this is going to be a crappy eve clone

  • HagonbokHagonbok Member Posts: 365
    Originally posted by xbellx777


    i just read the link and i have to agree, thats pretty lame. a big part of star trek is seeing the ship and being able to walk around it and see the crew working. this is going to be a crappy eve clone

    When we saw the interiors of the ship it was when it was relevant to the story being told. Which is exactly how interiors are being handled in STO . Thus Cryptic is actually sticking much closer to what we experienced in the various series than all these whiners would have them do. These people spamming about interiors know very little about Star Trek really. That much is very clear.

  • TadamitsuTadamitsu Member Posts: 118

    well are we going to have ship boarding parties and such, or are all ship board stuff done?

    its very cool to beam over to a ship and use a phaser rifle on anyone who  looks like they need it  

    :-)

     

    played:WoW and Eve off and on 5 years
    Tried:CoH/V, PoTBS, War, TR, STO, FE
    TOR is likely to rock

  • chaintmchaintm Member UncommonPosts: 953

    After reading this whole thread I learned to pass the comments by the big red banner dude. But as with most I just think the interior is a killer for me. Not ships mind you but stations. To me, stations are based in allot more places and would stick out as places to connect with other players. In this vision I would see going into these stations and having interaction with other captains part of the experiance. But what we have now is a game that will launch (as others so well put it) eve in space avatar game play.

    While planet and other mission aspects give you that avatar part , there is no true avatar interaction just to meet up with other players. My guess (and this is a guess) is we will be able to see each other in avatar form on say planet earth or other such known locations but in the end, space stations to me would be the big meeting hubs.

    Beyond the issues of horrible attention to details this dev team has, the issues of this interiors not at launch for stations is the end for me. That should make the fanbots happy, but for all my friends I talked to today, non of us at this point are interested anymore. Huge star trek fans, but alas we will have to wait for a good single player game to come out. Maybe one day some company will come out with a title worthy of the star trek IP.

     

    "The monster created isn't by the company that makes the game, it's by the fans that make it something it never was"

  • spdkillaspdkilla Member Posts: 111
    Originally posted by Rhoklaw


    If Westwood could manage to create www.youtube.com/watch this 7 years ago, explain to me why with today's technological advancements since than, Cryptic can't even muster something similar?
    Actually, Earth and Beyond had it's moments, which is sad really since EA dropped it like a rock in 2004. Eve Online still hasn't adopted their station worlds yet, so STO was pretty much the last hope for people who enjoy socialistic space MMO's.

     

    On a side note i really miss that game .  I still have the cd, case and original box   :(     I have been waiting on a remake or E&B 2. i have heard about a few emulators for E&B but nothing fully done yet. I was able to log into the game with 1 of those but the game world was empty they said they were working on full functionality but it was still a long way off. Btw was never a big fan of full blown ship interiors nor player crews... bleh. As stated interiors will be included for expansion (maybe even an update CoX style) but not for launch.

     

      My only real question for STO ....   Where are my Zets, Hellbores and Ten-gu Reavers .... and Jennys still sux the whole nerf loving bunch of them......            j/k     ......   maybe  

     

    edited for Earth and Beyondness :     BIG   ...  STRONG ....   WOW!! ....... ...   TADA-O ..    (small asian female and children's laughter echo in the background)

     

    /carry on

  • HagonbokHagonbok Member Posts: 365
    Originally posted by chaintm


    After reading this whole thread I learned to pass the comments by the big red banner dude. But as with most I just think the interior is a killer for me. Not ships mind you but stations. To me, stations are based in allot more places and would stick out as places to connect with other players. In this vision I would see going into these stations and having interaction with other captains part of the experiance. But what we have now is a game that will launch (as others so well put it) eve in space avatar game play.
    While planet and other mission aspects give you that avatar part , there is no true avatar interaction just to meet up with other players. My guess (and this is a guess) is we will be able to see each other in avatar form on say planet earth or other such known locations but in the end, space stations to me would be the big meeting hubs.
    Beyond the issues of horrible attention to details this dev team has, the issues of this interiors not at launch for stations is the end for me. That should make the fanbots happy, but for all my friends I talked to today, non of us at this point are interested anymore. Huge star trek fans, but alas we will have to wait for a good single player game to come out. Maybe one day some company will come out with a title worthy of the star trek IP.
     

    Yes, that's the way. Use the plug your ears, or in this case avoid looking at, approach to the issues and the people that are actually stating the facts and truths, and not spewing negative hyperbole just because they're spoilt children that didn't get their way on a couple of things.

    There are going to be tons of places for player avatars to interact in the game.

    There are going to be all the space stations (Yes most sane people are noticing you all are totally ignoring the FACT that there will be space stations in the game). All the planet side cities, towns, villages, etc. All the military instillations. Not to mention all the planet side missions.

    Frankly this has become a clear smear campaign being perpetrated against Cryptic, mostly by people that have no clue about the game but are just hapless followers from a couple of ST related communities.,and it's getting old. It was old before it started.

    It's good this sort is losing interest in the game. These kind of community members the game doesn't need. You bunch would just end up driving most away. 

     

  • ozmonoozmono Member UncommonPosts: 1,211
    Originally posted by Hagonbok

    Originally posted by chaintm


    After reading this whole thread I learned to pass the comments by the big red banner dude. But as with most I just think the interior is a killer for me. Not ships mind you but stations. To me, stations are based in allot more places and would stick out as places to connect with other players. In this vision I would see going into these stations and having interaction with other captains part of the experiance. But what we have now is a game that will launch (as others so well put it) eve in space avatar game play.
    While planet and other mission aspects give you that avatar part , there is no true avatar interaction just to meet up with other players. My guess (and this is a guess) is we will be able to see each other in avatar form on say planet earth or other such known locations but in the end, space stations to me would be the big meeting hubs.
    Beyond the issues of horrible attention to details this dev team has, the issues of this interiors not at launch for stations is the end for me. That should make the fanbots happy, but for all my friends I talked to today, non of us at this point are interested anymore. Huge star trek fans, but alas we will have to wait for a good single player game to come out. Maybe one day some company will come out with a title worthy of the star trek IP.
     

    Yes, that's the way. Use the plug your ears, or in this case avoid looking at, approach to the issues and the people that are actually stating the facts and truths, and not spewing negative hyperbole just because they're spoilt children that didn't get their way on a couple of things.

    There are going to be tons of places for player avatars to interact in the game.

    There are going to be all the space stations (Yes most sane people are noticing you all are totally ignoring the FACT that there will be space stations in the game). All the planet side cities, towns, villages, etc. All the military instillations. Not to mention all the planet side missions.

    Frankly this has become a clear smear campaign being perpetrated against Cryptic, mostly by people that have no clue about the game but are just hapless followers from a couple of ST related communities.,and it's getting old. It was old before it started.

    It's good this sort is losing interest in the game. These kind of community members the game doesn't need. You bunch would just end up driving most away. 

     

     

    People are just voicing there opinions mate. There is no "smear campaign being perpetrated against Cryptic" its the same stuff that happens in every discussion. You have people expressing what they want and like and what they don't want and don't like. Its actually benificial to have such discussions. The fact is they need to make a game that'll be enjoyed by people who may be interested in a Star Trek MMORPG, people here are just saying they aren't and from what I've read from you, your saying everything they have done and are planning to do is just great. Fine thats your opinion but before you get on your high horse and say that such people are no good as a community.

    You should realise that atleast they are voicing there opinions rather than parroting the developers opinions regardless what they are. A game could easily fail if people didn't voice there disscontent with what to them are game breaking features or lack of game making features if that view is shared. Obviously you don't and thats cool, that's your opinion but its not worth more than anyone elses.

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063
    Originally posted by ozmono

    Originally posted by Hagonbok

    Originally posted by chaintm


    After reading this whole thread I learned to pass the comments by the big red banner dude. But as with most I just think the interior is a killer for me. Not ships mind you but stations. To me, stations are based in allot more places and would stick out as places to connect with other players. In this vision I would see going into these stations and having interaction with other captains part of the experiance. But what we have now is a game that will launch (as others so well put it) eve in space avatar game play.
    While planet and other mission aspects give you that avatar part , there is no true avatar interaction just to meet up with other players. My guess (and this is a guess) is we will be able to see each other in avatar form on say planet earth or other such known locations but in the end, space stations to me would be the big meeting hubs.
    Beyond the issues of horrible attention to details this dev team has, the issues of this interiors not at launch for stations is the end for me. That should make the fanbots happy, but for all my friends I talked to today, non of us at this point are interested anymore. Huge star trek fans, but alas we will have to wait for a good single player game to come out. Maybe one day some company will come out with a title worthy of the star trek IP.
     

    Yes, that's the way. Use the plug your ears, or in this case avoid looking at, approach to the issues and the people that are actually stating the facts and truths, and not spewing negative hyperbole just because they're spoilt children that didn't get their way on a couple of things.

    There are going to be tons of places for player avatars to interact in the game.

    There are going to be all the space stations (Yes most sane people are noticing you all are totally ignoring the FACT that there will be space stations in the game). All the planet side cities, towns, villages, etc. All the military instillations. Not to mention all the planet side missions.

    Frankly this has become a clear smear campaign being perpetrated against Cryptic, mostly by people that have no clue about the game but are just hapless followers from a couple of ST related communities.,and it's getting old. It was old before it started.

    It's good this sort is losing interest in the game. These kind of community members the game doesn't need. You bunch would just end up driving most away. 

     

     

    People are just voicing there opinions mate. There is no "smear campaign being perpetrated against Cryptic" its the same stuff that happens in every discussion. You have people expressing what they want and like and what they don't want and don't like. Its actually benificial to have such discussions. The fact is they need to make a game that'll be enjoyed by people who may be interested in a Star Trek MMORPG, people here are just saying they aren't and from what I've read from you, your saying everything they have done and are planning to do is just great. Fine thats your opinion but before you get on your high horse and say that such people are no good as a community.

    You should realise that atleast they are voicing there opinions rather than parroting the developers opinions regardless what they are. A game could easily fail if people didn't voice there disscontent with what to them are game breaking features or lack of game making features if that view is shared. Obviously you don't and thats cool, that's your opinion but its not worth more than anyone elses.



     

    While Hagonbok might be going ovberboard with the "conspiracy" part, it is quite annoying when people stretch "no free roaming interiors at launch" into "no interiors in the game at all or ever." The title of this very thread is a flat out lie.

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  • HagonbokHagonbok Member Posts: 365

    Of course it's going overboard, but no more than 90% of these people do when trying to ebully Cryptic into designing the game for their little niche.  After all these years I've learnt the only way to fight these kinds of flame stokers is to hit em hard with the same tactics they use.

  • kingfelixkingfelix Member UncommonPosts: 214
    Originally posted by Hagonbok


    Of course it's going overboard, but no more than 90% of these people do when trying to ebully Cryptic into designing the game for their little niche.  After all these years I've learnt the only way to fight these kinds of flame stokers is to hit em hard with the same tactics they use.

     

    Wow, Cryptic should be paying you. If they aren't already...

  • ozmonoozmono Member UncommonPosts: 1,211
    Originally posted by Hagonbok


    Of course it's going overboard, but no more than 90% of these people do when trying to ebully Cryptic into designing the game for their little niche.  After all these years I've learnt the only way to fight these kinds of flame stokers is to hit em hard with the same tactics they use.

     

    As I said people are just expressing there opinions. No one in there right mind would expect Cryptic into designing there game but these are public forums, if you don't want to discuss the game than don't post. I can only imagine if everyone acted like you what these forums would be like.

    "This will be a great game"

    "I agree completely, Cryptic can do no wrong"

    *farting noise*



    "I don't smell anything do you?"

    "Nope"

    -the end-

  • warrior41warrior41 Member Posts: 65
    Originally posted by Hagonbok


    Of course it's going overboard, but no more than 90% of these people do when trying to ebully Cryptic into designing the game for their little niche.  After all these years I've learnt the only way to fight these kinds of flame stokers is to hit em hard with the same tactics they use.

        

      There is nothing misleading about my thread here. And people complaining about Cryptic's decision are not spammers, they are voicing their unhappiness about losing a favorite idea in STO- access to your own ship to walk around and use sensors and holodecks and stuff like that. 

      There ARE interiors in STO, but as for ships and space stations, there will not be interiors beyond missions. So you will only see interiors in an instanced fashion. And the only station confirmed is DS9, and there will be interiors for that but no work on whether you will have free-roaming interiors or housing or social areas. 

      

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