We dont know for sure if Darkfall is another Dark&Light trap waiting to happen or the BestSandboxTM But one thing is sure: When next month is over there will be lot "I told you so" comming from one side of the fence. So , for the record (and fun) , put your name here and - If you going to preorder , or buy DF at launch, and vote for greatness of DF - put this sign If you think Darkfall is unfinished mess, like D&L. And Aventurine is cheating people - put this like this:
Lobotomist : Darkfall is
Theodgrim: /
Bottom line, I am going to pre-order. I know exactly what I am getting into, and have paid for worse. The game will still need plenty of work and I am not certain it will hold together under load, but it just might.
If I forget all the propoganda spewed by Aventurine over the years and just keep in mind this is another niche game by an indy dev, it looks pretty good. It has potential to be even more, but most of us have seen enough unrealised potential in other games. I do expect a very bumpy ride if they launch on the 25th, but for me, it is worth a shot.
For the first 2 weeks, everyone will be happy ganking each other.
By the end of the first month, some of the flaws will become appearent to most advanced players.
By the end of the second month, most of the flaws will be appearent to a good deal of player population.
By the end of the third month, capped people will start to cry hard about the flaws of the game.
By the end of the fourth month, they will have to fix the main flaws or they will start to lose tons of subs.
EDIT: Obviously there will be those players that play 5 minutes, say "blah" and go away. I think about 50-75% of the followers will have that kind of reaction.
It will be much quicker then that if it is in fact "flawed". People dont have the paitence to put up with crap anymore. I lasted 90 days in Warhammer, the least number of days ive played any MMO and it was with the highest hopes I entered that world. Fact is people are much much more astute and educated about the nature of MMO's and what devs can and do try to get away with, and conversely how transparent alot of this is in fact to a potential player base. Like I always say, be honest, dont bullshit your potential customer, and people will respect that and support the dev, but bullshit people and dont expect people to stay, pay, and play.
I'll be pre-ordering and playing if I can get a spot. I'm sure there will be enough bad things for the bashers to point fingers, but the game is good right now. The vision that the devs have for the game is so in line with what I want that any forward progress gets me closer to the game I want. It's already closer to what I want than anything out there.
I agree with the vision part. Id love to play in just such a game world. However I will not pre order because of the most recent experiences ive had with a number of new MMO's. Lets just say that im one of those people that felt what ive experienced recently was " over promised, and undelivered", and as a result I will wait for the inital player, and game site reviews to come out before I decide.
These kind of threads are what wrong with this forum....this isnt about who is right and who is wrong...it is for hoping we actually get a decent mmo finally. Pretty sad when any news comes out, you see the usualy suspects trying to spin it to make themselves be right. Point is, after release...the fanbois will be screaming success, and the haters will be screaming lol i was right it is a fail...no matter what happens.
Now there's an unbiased opinion coming from a fanboy with Darkfall as a profile pic.
I will pre order. Seriously, if you are afraid. Do as i did with AoC and WAR. Read the reviews. I only heard bad things about the other games so i didnt get them. With DF i have only heard good things, so im gonna get it. It wont be worse then AoC or WAR right?
I agree with the vision part. Id love to play in just such a game world. However I will not pre order because of the most recent experiences ive had with a number of new MMO's. Lets just say that im one of those people that felt what ive experienced recently was " over promised, and undelivered", and as a result I will wait for the inital player, and game site reviews to come out before I decide.
Exactly. The best thing you can do is wait until it drops from #1 on the MMO chart on this site. See where is lands and then check it out. I always wait at least 3 months before making a decision on a game and that comes from a LONG list of $49.95 charges to my debit card that wound up being a waste of money.
Simply because I am sick and tired of paying for bad launches. DF may suck, may be great, but there is simply no way to tell right now and the company has raised more than enough redflags to warrant caution.
DF may be the next big and best sandbox game of all time, it may a mediocre gankfest with no content, might be a good game with no hardware support that can't handle more than 10k subscribers, or it may be a total internet hustle...there is just NO way to tell from what has been made public and a lot of reasons to question every word Tasos speaks. For a game supposedly launching in 2 weeks, this state of affairs is unforgivable.
I'll be watching the drama; I hope it's a great game, I really do. But I can wait til launch + 4 weeks or whatever amd if it sets new standards for "fail" then I am not out another $50.
Oh man u're so right to create this post, let's write the name of all these fanbois (were they the same fanbois than for D&L ?)
Haibane, darkfall is i would wish it weren't but it's going to be
Just really gots to be blind to see that it has the same vitals than D&L :
1) Crappy small ass developing company who never did anything before in their life (u can't just come outta nowhere and do a big MMORPG)
2) Poor means associated ot the company (no monies no shinies)
3) Very opaque communication from Tasos (uh oh do i feel like somehting's wrong going there ?)
4) Isn't this game supposed to release like SOON and we still have no open beta ? Can name any successful MMORPG which hadn't a fully open beta like 1 month at least from launch ? (hell i even beta tested UO and that was 10 years ago people, we're not in the 90's anymore, it's time to be professional a little).
I understand that fanbois urge to have a game that they could praise and throw in the face of WoW players like "ewww you play WoW it sucks i play xxx it's much better, u're so not cool".
To do that it's very simple anyway, no need to wait for a broken game, u can :
1) Get UO on a free shard (and guess what ? ITS FREE and has most of the features DF brags, and they are working !!!)
2) Play EQ2 on Nagafen, simply the best.
Or u can go for diff type of games like EVE or other innovative stuff.
But whatever, convincing fanbois is as hard as convincing a religious fanatic, so it's pointless.
So, do what u want with ur monies but buying DF is about as clever as trying to setup credit derivatives again on the market.
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Oh man u're so right to create this post, let's write the name of all these fanbois (were they the same fanbois than for D&L ?) Haibane, darkfall is i would wish it weren't but it's going to be Just really gots to be blind to see that it has the same vitals than D&L : 1) Crappy small ass developing company who never did anything before in their life (u can't just come outta nowhere and do a big MMORPG) 2) Poor means associated ot the company (no monies no shinies) 3) Very opaque communication from Tasos (uh oh do i feel like somehting's wrong going there ?) 4) Isn't this game supposed to release like SOON and we still have no open beta ? Can name any successful MMORPG which hadn't a fully open beta like 1 month at least from launch ? (hell i even beta tested UO and that was 10 years ago people, we're not in the 90's anymore, it's time to be professional a little). I understand that fanbois urge to have a game that they could praise and throw in the face of WoW players like "ewww you play WoW it sucks i play xxx it's much better, u're so not cool". To do that it's very simple anyway, no need to wait for a broken game, u can : 1) Get UO on a free shard (and guess what ? ITS FREE and has most of the features DF brags, and they are working !!!) 2) Play EQ2 on Nagafen, simply the best. Or u can go for diff type of games like EVE or other innovative stuff. But whatever, convincing fanbois is as hard as convincing a religious fanatic, so it's pointless. So, do what u want with ur monies but buying DF is about as clever as trying to setup credit derivatives again on the market.
I get that there is no open beta, and we should have seen one a long time ago.
Which is why ive always stated that another delay in the game would not surprise me.
But apart from that what do u think is going to happen ?
From the massive amounts of leaks we already know the game is playable, and very enjoyable, if they have lag issues at first that will be fixed, we are at a technological level where its basically a matter of tweaking, and since they are using NGi as their service provider they will have proffesionals to help them do that.
So basically we are getting a ffa pvp, full loot game with casting, melee, crafting, guild warfare, player towns and sieges, red vs blue and faction vs faction.
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Theodgrim:
/ 
Bottom line, I am going to pre-order. I know exactly what I am getting into, and have paid for worse. The game will still need plenty of work and I am not certain it will hold together under load, but it just might.
If I forget all the propoganda spewed by Aventurine over the years and just keep in mind this is another niche game by an indy dev, it looks pretty good. It has potential to be even more, but most of us have seen enough unrealised potential in other games. I do expect a very bumpy ride if they launch on the 25th, but for me, it is worth a shot.
//\//\oo:
This is a sequence of characters intended to produce some profound mental effect, but it has failed.
It's gonna be a scandal.
And here's a double
for these 2 predictions:
-NDA won't drop before release.
-Beta and/or release copies won't be sent out to gaming journalists.
It will be much quicker then that if it is in fact "flawed". People dont have the paitence to put up with crap anymore. I lasted 90 days in Warhammer, the least number of days ive played any MMO and it was with the highest hopes I entered that world. Fact is people are much much more astute and educated about the nature of MMO's and what devs can and do try to get away with, and conversely how transparent alot of this is in fact to a potential player base. Like I always say, be honest, dont bullshit your potential customer, and people will respect that and support the dev, but bullshit people and dont expect people to stay, pay, and play.
Fail thread from a fail person.
on a serious note, i doubt DF will fail as much as D'n'L did, sure dnl is a crap mmo, but its free to play and the server is still up last i heard.
wanna know fail then just go check out Irth Online, Kishe will know all about that one hehe.
I agree with the vision part. Id love to play in just such a game world. However I will not pre order because of the most recent experiences ive had with a number of new MMO's. Lets just say that im one of those people that felt what ive experienced recently was " over promised, and undelivered", and as a result I will wait for the inital player, and game site reviews to come out before I decide.
Now there's an unbiased opinion coming from a fanboy with Darkfall as a profile pic.
EDIT: Oops, I forgot...
Exactly. The best thing you can do is wait until it drops from #1 on the MMO chart on this site.
See where is lands and then check it out. I always wait at least 3 months before making a decision on a game and that comes from a LONG list of $49.95 charges to my debit card that wound up being a waste of money. 
But what if the game itself is really good? Dont listen to much to the haters.
Having a blast with beta,too
With try to get in on the pre orders.
The only thing we dont know ,can the servers really hold 10 k people,with out any problems.
Sorry ,i mean if I was in beta
lol
Its gonna release and i ll love it when it goes live.
I ll be glad to see mature and hardcore fans in the game.
And am glad with limited preorder gonna root out alot of this mmorpg hate crowd.
Have fun with your inquisition of Darkfall.
Um...small point...but...how would it do that?
Is 'Fanboi money' somehow different to 'Troll money'?
Or is there a secret list somewhere?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
DF may be the next big and best sandbox game of all time, it may a mediocre gankfest with no content, might be a good game with no hardware support that can't handle more than 10k subscribers, or it may be a total internet hustle...there is just NO way to tell from what has been made public and a lot of reasons to question every word Tasos speaks. For a game supposedly launching in 2 weeks, this state of affairs is unforgivable.
I'll be watching the drama; I hope it's a great game, I really do. But I can wait til launch + 4 weeks or whatever amd if it sets new standards for "fail" then I am not out another $50.
Until Olivia Munn says it's good, won't be touching it.
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
Um...small point...but...how would it do that?
Is 'Fanboi money' somehow different to 'Troll money'?
Or is there a secret list somewhere?
So.. ur saying u will preorder?
no?
exactly.
-Darkstar
Oh man u're so right to create this post, let's write the name of all these fanbois (were they the same fanbois than for D&L ?)
Haibane, darkfall is
i would wish it weren't but it's going to be 
Just really gots to be blind to see that it has the same vitals than D&L :
1) Crappy small ass developing company who never did anything before in their life (u can't just come outta nowhere and do a big MMORPG)
2) Poor means associated ot the company (no monies no shinies)
3) Very opaque communication from Tasos (uh oh do i feel like somehting's wrong going there ?)
4) Isn't this game supposed to release like SOON and we still have no open beta ?
Can name any successful MMORPG which hadn't a fully open beta like 1 month at least from launch ? (hell i even beta tested UO and that was 10 years ago people, we're not in the 90's anymore, it's time to be professional a little).
I understand that fanbois urge to have a game that they could praise and throw in the face of WoW players like "ewww you play WoW it sucks i play xxx it's much better, u're so not cool".
To do that it's very simple anyway, no need to wait for a broken game, u can :
1) Get UO on a free shard (and guess what ? ITS FREE and has most of the features DF brags, and they are working !!!)
2) Play EQ2 on Nagafen, simply the best.
Or u can go for diff type of games like EVE or other innovative stuff.
But whatever, convincing fanbois is as hard as convincing a religious fanatic, so it's pointless.
So, do what u want with ur monies but buying DF is about as clever as trying to setup credit derivatives again on the market.
You're a Hardcore Survivor!
You not only survived the zombie apocalypse, but did it with style! Your mastery of zombie knowledge, survival tactics, and weaponry is nearly unmatched. Congratulations, for you are hardcore!
Um...small point...but...how would it do that?
Is 'Fanboi money' somehow different to 'Troll money'?
Or is there a secret list somewhere?
So.. ur saying u will preorder?
no?
exactly.
-Darkstar
So.. ur saying after preorder no-one who is playing will complain (troll)?
no?
exactly.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I get that there is no open beta, and we should have seen one a long time ago.
Which is why ive always stated that another delay in the game would not surprise me.
But apart from that what do u think is going to happen ?
From the massive amounts of leaks we already know the game is playable, and very enjoyable, if they have lag issues at first that will be fixed, we are at a technological level where its basically a matter of tweaking, and since they are using NGi as their service provider they will have proffesionals to help them do that.
So basically we are getting a ffa pvp, full loot game with casting, melee, crafting, guild warfare, player towns and sieges, red vs blue and faction vs faction.
And.... THATS what I want.
No fog system in the game? yeah i dont care..
-Darkstar
Um...small point...but...how would it do that?
Is 'Fanboi money' somehow different to 'Troll money'?
Or is there a secret list somewhere?
So.. ur saying u will preorder?
no?
exactly.
-Darkstar
So.. ur saying after preorder no-one who is playing will complain (troll)?
no?
exactly.
Ehm no, pay attention.
look up.
See that top quote? hmmm? all the way to the top of ur own post? see it?
What does it say?
It says: "...limited preorder gonna root out alot of this mmorpg hate crowd"
THIS mmorpg hate crowd.
All the people here who obviously have no intention of playing Darkfall.
-Darkstar
" Can you walk through other players in Darkfall? No "
Gangbang is possible in this game, what more do you want?
Fair enough. You win this round of Forum PvP...
*Darkstar right clicks on Gyrus's Tombstone to find Gyrus owned
While transferring them to his inventory one by one he fails to notice the approach of Zorvan....*
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Fair enough. You win this round of Forum PvP...
*Darkstar right clicks on Gyrus's Tombstone to find Gyrus owned
While transferring them to his inventory one by one he fails to notice the approach of Zorvan....*
lol.
nice one sir.
-Darkstar