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To people who think you need a AAA company to launch an MMO right
Were any of you around for the amazingly aweful launch of SWG? On launch day there was so many people trying to access the account creation page that it was down for the entire day, with only a few people getting in at a time. I remember I had to have a friend of mine come over and help me out with a bunch of crazy computer tricks just to get on the page.
Then once I finally created my account you know what happened? I could not create a character for hours, I tried and tried but the game would lag out seconds after hitting the "NexT" button. It took me and my friend until around 4-5 in the morning to finally get on and into a starting area (Naboo Theed of course).
Then I was lagged out every 5 minutes or so for the rest of the night or until I could reach a place where there was not 150 people gathered around in one spot.
This was SOE guys, this was there huge new MMO which they put millions of dollars into and it happened to them. I am not saying Darkfall will be the next big thing, I am not even saying I will love it like I did SWG (And UO 
) but I know that the company deserves a little slack when it comes to a launch date for a MMO. You should at least give them a day or so after launch to get their act together if after that the problems continue then please "Rant ON!"
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You seem to be confusing SOE for a "AAA" company. Sure, they spend "AAA" money, but they have never been "AAA" quality.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
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Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
"To people who think you need a AAA company to launch an MMO right " -
Your right, you dont, however you better have one to make up for all the smack talk you have been dishing out over the 7 years the game has been in devlopment.
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How are you?" -Me
I don't know what the hell you are going on about since DF hasn't officially launched yet. When it launches then you can talk about quality. Until then it's all speculation.
You out of your mind and jaded if you think SOE isn't a AAA company, they have one of the best publishing platforms in the genre.
Only people who deny this cant separate personal opinion from reality.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Pro paint skills there Mr.Bloodworth!
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well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Wow ... you are telling us he had mastered that "F5" browser hack?
You are right, though. There is a huge amount of folks out here who have too strict of an expectation on how a mmorpg release is supposed to go and after projecting that on Darkfall they find out it is out of the ordinary and a reason to not only mistrust the game but also to prematurely call it a failure or a disaster.
News for them: AV is a stubborn indy company with subpar skills in comunication and planning and releasing the game without a publisher, but that does not mean the game will fail or be a disaster ... at all.
to quote a wise poster here: The only judge is the number of DF subs 6 months from now.
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wasn't EQ and SWG originally made by Verant?
You out of your mind and jaded if you think SOE isn't a AAA company, they have one of the best publishing platforms in the genre.
Only people who deny this cant separate personal opinion from reality.
Lets just ask the people at flagship how the "publishing" was with pirates of the burning sea. I think they might disagree with you.
Not that the publishing platform at soe has had any real aaa success yet. Not talking about quality of the games they release either.
Personally I would have had SoE dressed like a pimp with a cane. I mean thats what they pretty much are, taking some worn out games, slapping some makeup on them and then making sure people pay each time they "Spend Time" with them. Now SoE's even making EQ2 learn some new tircks lol.
This thread stinks of excuse making. I hope the game releases well, but let it stand or fall on Tasos claims.
You also forgot to mention one little thing... SWG did not have a limited release at start.... If DF fall flat with a limited release there are no excuses to be made. Again I hope it is a smooth release, but this thread is just silly.
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how you can compare a game which will launch with 10k users on 1 server, than with swg which had 250k on 24 servers?
So...let me get this straight. Aventurine can't handle more than 10k people on launch day (or 20k whatever be the number) and have to restrict access to people who pre-order, in essence, doing what they never "wanted" to do.
This happens because supposedly there is SO much more interest in the game than they have anticipated....EXCUSE ME????? 20k players is more than they anticipated???
That excuse was hard to buy when they ranted on about the 300k being a surprise to them, but now more than 10k is a surprise and they can't handle it?
That's what a successful release is now? Totally mismanaging your product so that in the end you don#t have the financial capabilities to support the community you fostered over 8 years????
Congratulations Aventurine, great job. Let's just hope you get this little launch right you made for yourself. Otherwise...oh wait...no, even then certain people will still make excuses for them and continue to believe in them as others believe in the Lord.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Buying DF at launch is the same as calling in a plumber to fix your sink who has no CV and no personnel recommendation from anyone you know.
Good luck with that.
Alternatively wait till the professional reviews come in, worst comes to worse you miss the first month, big deal.
theyv failed so badly i dont se how anyone thinks this is a good start lol talk about being a ignorant fanboy
This thread stinks of excuse making. I hope the game releases well, but let it stand or fall on Tasos claims.
You also forgot to mention one little thing... SWG did not have a limited release at start.... If DF fall flat with a limited release there are no excuses to be made. Again I hope it is a smooth release, but this thread is just silly.
I think this whole forum stinks of people bullying around a little company and then complaining when they do not have a sandbox game to play because UO is screwed up now, and SWG has a completely different face.
I think this whole forums smells of hypocrites who would rather take the cheap shots at people trying to do something different then make a case agains the thousand of free to play games out there that do the exact same thing everytime.
You know what you right, some companys like the free to play ones, say what is going to be in their game and deliver you know why? Nothing is different its all the same thing cut and pasted into a new skin. One game comes along and says how its going to be different and with confidence and everyone starts taking spears to its chest.
So I do not think this thread is silly I think it is a valid point that a company with such limited resources should be allowed the benefit of the doubt to get their act together, I am not saying forget everything they have done I am saying they deserve a chance to acomplish what they are shooting for.
It really is sad too because it is not like this for other games, with Mount and Blade they claimed they would be in store shelves on release and guess what I saw one copy a month later in my local store. No one there complained, you know why? All companies have their own way of doing things, just because AV is different does not mean they are trying to rip you off.
_____________________________
At the turn of the century...
In 2008...
Cracked.com voted Roosevelt as the most badass President of all time.
This is his story....
This thread stinks of excuse making. I hope the game releases well, but let it stand or fall on Tasos claims.
You also forgot to mention one little thing... SWG did not have a limited release at start.... If DF fall flat with a limited release there are no excuses to be made. Again I hope it is a smooth release, but this thread is just silly.
I think this whole forum stinks of people bullying around a little company and then complaining when they do not have a sandbox game to play because UO is screwed up now, and SWG has a completely different face.
I think this whole forums smells of hypocrites who would rather take the cheap shots at people trying to do something different then make a case agains the thousand of free to play games out there that do the exact same thing everytime.
You know what you right, some companys like the free to play ones, say what is going to be in their game and deliver you know why? Nothing is different its all the same thing cut and pasted into a new skin. One game comes along and says how its going to be different and with confidence and everyone starts taking spears to its chest.
So I do not think this thread is silly I think it is a valid point that a company with such limited resources should be allowed the benefit of the doubt to get their act together, I am not saying forget everything they have done I am saying they deserve a chance to acomplish what they are shooting for.
It really is sad too because it is not like this for other games, with Mount and Blade they claimed they would be in store shelves on release and guess what I saw one copy a month later in my local store. No one there complained, you know why? All companies have their own way of doing things, just because AV is different does not mean they are trying to rip you off.
They CHOSE to take on the big guys, and swim in the big boys pool. Do you know how much crap was spewed from the developers about other games, SUCCESSFUL games?
There mods come here to flame people.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
sorry but Verant (prior to SOE purchasing the game) was attempting its first mmorpg with EQ, and it was king for years, with over 450k players playing it. It was it's first mmorpg project, and it flourished because it made a good game. The company was acquired by SOE while it was developing SWG, so yes, small companies can flourish if the game is good.
This thread stinks of excuse making. I hope the game releases well, but let it stand or fall on Tasos claims.
You also forgot to mention one little thing... SWG did not have a limited release at start.... If DF fall flat with a limited release there are no excuses to be made. Again I hope it is a smooth release, but this thread is just silly.
I think this whole forum stinks of people bullying around a little company and then complaining when they do not have a sandbox game to play because UO is screwed up now, and SWG has a completely different face.
I think this whole forums smells of hypocrites who would rather take the cheap shots at people trying to do something different then make a case agains the thousand of free to play games out there that do the exact same thing everytime.
You know what you right, some companys like the free to play ones, say what is going to be in their game and deliver you know why? Nothing is different its all the same thing cut and pasted into a new skin. One game comes along and says how its going to be different and with confidence and everyone starts taking spears to its chest.
So I do not think this thread is silly I think it is a valid point that a company with such limited resources should be allowed the benefit of the doubt to get their act together, I am not saying forget everything they have done I am saying they deserve a chance to acomplish what they are shooting for.
It really is sad too because it is not like this for other games, with Mount and Blade they claimed they would be in store shelves on release and guess what I saw one copy a month later in my local store. No one there complained, you know why? All companies have their own way of doing things, just because AV is different does not mean they are trying to rip you off.
And I think this forum is full of people who can no longer seperate reality from fiction. Darkfall will launch and it will hold its own, no doubts about it. But why should Aventurine be granted something other companies don't get?? Why?
Will you grant BioWare the same slack? After all, they are new to MMO development, too. Would you grant Blizzard the same slack? They were new when WoW launched, at least to MMO's, too.
If you enter a market, you're supposed to do your research. And being -surprised- by more than 10k people wanting to play is BS talk at its best. Unable to manage more than 10k is mismanaging your project.
That's not to say I don't wish them the best of luck with what they attempt, but to call their mistakes anything BUT mistakes is silly. Talk about the fanbois on this forum who claim everything that is happening is a smart move on Aventurine's part. No...it's desperation moves if anything and it should be called for what it is, not simply glorified into something it is not.
People need to call things by their names. DF promised a lot. Too much. They fell on their face with a bit of it. What#s left of the project must now make a good impression. And starting off with a limited release is NOT making a good impression. If the game holds solid, then maybe they can recover from this. But it doesn#t change that it was badly managed. Period.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
You realize qeynos is sonyeq backwards right?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This thread stinks of excuse making. I hope the game releases well, but let it stand or fall on Tasos claims.
You also forgot to mention one little thing... SWG did not have a limited release at start.... If DF fall flat with a limited release there are no excuses to be made. Again I hope it is a smooth release, but this thread is just silly.
I think this whole forum stinks of people bullying around a little company and then complaining when they do not have a sandbox game to play because UO is screwed up now, and SWG has a completely different face.
I think this whole forums smells of hypocrites who would rather take the cheap shots at people trying to do something different then make a case agains the thousand of free to play games out there that do the exact same thing everytime.
You know what you right, some companys like the free to play ones, say what is going to be in their game and deliver you know why? Nothing is different its all the same thing cut and pasted into a new skin. One game comes along and says how its going to be different and with confidence and everyone starts taking spears to its chest.
So I do not think this thread is silly I think it is a valid point that a company with such limited resources should be allowed the benefit of the doubt to get their act together, I am not saying forget everything they have done I am saying they deserve a chance to acomplish what they are shooting for.
It really is sad too because it is not like this for other games, with Mount and Blade they claimed they would be in store shelves on release and guess what I saw one copy a month later in my local store. No one there complained, you know why? All companies have their own way of doing things, just because AV is different does not mean they are trying to rip you off.
And I think this forum is full of people who can no longer seperate reality from fiction. Darkfall will launch and it will hold its own, no doubts about it. But why should Aventurine be granted something other companies don't get?? Why?
Will you grant BioWare the same slack? After all, they are new to MMO development, too. Would you grant Blizzard the same slack? They were new when WoW launched, at least to MMO's, too.
If you enter a market, you're supposed to do your research. And being -surprised- by more than 10k people wanting to play is BS talk at its best. Unable to manage more than 10k is mismanaging your project.
That's not to say I don't wish them the best of luck with what they attempt, but to call their mistakes anything BUT mistakes is silly. Talk about the fanbois on this forum who claim everything that is happening is a smart move on Aventurine's part. No...it's desperation moves if anything and it should be called for what it is, not simply glorified into something it is not.
People need to call things by their names. DF promised a lot. Too much. They fell on their face with a bit of it. What#s left of the project must now make a good impression. And starting off with a limited release is NOT making a good impression. If the game holds solid, then maybe they can recover from this. But it doesn#t change that it was badly managed. Period.
exactly....the same people who are loving DF now, better not be the same people insulting other companies which are trying to produce their first mmo.
This includes many different games, earthrise, FE, MO,TOR, etc......
Guys.
No disrespect intended here, but can you not pick out the quotes you wish to comment on before making your comment, some of the individual posts on MMORPG are about 2 metres long by the time you scroll down quote(within quote)(within (with added colour)quote)(within (added bold)quote)(within quote) only to find a 2 line reply at the end of it all.
make yer point for sure, but make it clear. :P
Mount and blade is a small project . I don't even know the name of the cy (SOmeone wrote they are 2 devs) but the game is simply GREAT .
We don't need an AAA Cy but an AAA game.