New info on Mod 9

Doctorwhofan

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=174340

 

For those who don't read DDO forums... 

AgtSmith

Good info to hear as it has been so little info for so long, but it seems MOD 9 is a long way off (if not further) if they cannot get out more than a couple SShots and what amounts to trivial info overall at the time they had originally said it would be release (and that after another earlier date got pushed back).  I have no doubt they are 'working on it' but I would bet good money they go so little resources on it that progress is happening at a snails pace.  Based on past MOD releases and how the info came out MOD 9 is easily 3 - 6 months away and I think there is a better than good chance it remains vaporware with more talk then production.  We shall see though.

Sarr

Originally posted by AgtSmith


Good info to hear as it has been so little info for so long, but it seems MOD 9 is a long way off (if not further) if they cannot get out more than a couple SShots and what amounts to trivial info overall at the time they had originally said it would be release (and that after another earlier date got pushed back).  I have no doubt they are 'working on it' but I would bet good money they go so little resources on it that progress is happening at a snails pace.  Based on past MOD releases and how the info came out MOD 9 is easily 3 - 6 months away and I think there is a better than good chance it remains vaporware with more talk then production.  We shall see though.

 

Vaporware again . Please, try to be smarter and ask yourself why should they give you more screenshots, while they already gave so many informations about changes in new Mod.

Talking about / showing quests and places to explore in to yet released material is probably stupidest of possible approaches. Yes, I know you'd like to see it now, and that's exactly why you won't. Isn't it reasonable and simple enough?

But no, players must always pretend to be smarter than those who make cash on them. While in general, if they were, they wouldn't be players but succesful developers. But no, egos must be fed by "smart" conspiracy theories. Sheesh. There's life outside PCs...

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by AgtSmith


Good info to hear as it has been so little info for so long, but it seems MOD 9 is a long way off (if not further) if they cannot get out more than a couple SShots and what amounts to trivial info overall at the time they had originally said it would be release (and that after another earlier date got pushed back).  I have no doubt they are 'working on it' but I would bet good money they go so little resources on it that progress is happening at a snails pace.  Based on past MOD releases and how the info came out MOD 9 is easily 3 - 6 months away and I think there is a better than good chance it remains vaporware with more talk then production.  We shall see though.

 

You get more boring with each post. You use vaporware like it was todays word in your word of the day calendar. When they release Mod 9 will you go away?

we3ster

Originally posted by AgtSmith


Good info to hear as it has been so little info for so long, but it seems MOD 9 is a long way off (if not further) if they cannot get out more than a couple SShots and what amounts to trivial info overall at the time they had originally said it would be release (and that after another earlier date got pushed back).  I have no doubt they are 'working on it' but I would bet good money they go so little resources on it that progress is happening at a snails pace.  Based on past MOD releases and how the info came out MOD 9 is easily 3 - 6 months away and I think there is a better than good chance it remains vaporware with more talk then production.  We shall see though.

 

In my time following the DDO boards on this website, there has always been one person flaming the game for flamings sake. They have come and gone, been ignored and have had no impact on people's opinions or player numbers. You are no different to them.

Dr.Rock

What do you expect guys last time he decided to troll these forums it was because an Iron Defender cheated by using its oil cone attack on him when he was on a ledge.

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Dr.Rock


What do you expect guys last time he decided to troll these forums it was because an Iron Defender cheated by using its oil cone attack on him when he was on a ledge.

 

I missed that post. Can you get me a link if you have it. I need a good laugh.

Dr.Rock

Here you go:

www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2061084#2061084

You have been warned though the whole thread is the random unrelated ramblings of a nutter! Which is why I haven't bothered to reply to any of his posts when I realised we were just going in to another round of care in the community.

Some good stuff in there though like Iron Defenders shouldn't be able to shoot up, I was feared and killed by a mummy in a sarcophagus several rooms away, D&D shouldn't have dice rolls because the devs use them to cheat, Beholders can shoot round corners. Plus the major point that the AI cheats, which is an emotionally weird way of expressing the opinion that some of the AI isn't perfect.

Bennyblyfot

Originally posted by Dr.Rock


Here you go:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2061084#2061084
You have been warned though the whole thread is the random unrelated ramblings of a nutter! Which is why I haven't bothered to reply to any of his posts when I realised we were just going in to another round of care in the community.
Some good stuff in there though like Iron Defenders shouldn't be able to shoot up, I was feared and killed by a mummy in a sarcophagus several rooms away, D&D shouldn't have dice rolls because the devs use them to cheat, Beholders can shoot round corners. Plus the major point that the AI cheats, which is an emotionally weird way of expressing the opinion that some of the AI isn't perfect.

 

ROFL  Rock that guy reminds me of a flamer from the DDO-EU fromu, no named mentioned seems that we aren´t the only ones who have flaming trolls on the forums

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Dr.Rock


Here you go:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2061084#2061084
You have been warned though the whole thread is the random unrelated ramblings of a nutter! Which is why I haven't bothered to reply to any of his posts when I realised we were just going in to another round of care in the community.
Some good stuff in there though like Iron Defenders shouldn't be able to shoot up, I was feared and killed by a mummy in a sarcophagus several rooms away, D&D shouldn't have dice rolls because the devs use them to cheat, Beholders can shoot round corners. Plus the major point that the AI cheats, which is an emotionally weird way of expressing the opinion that some of the AI isn't perfect.

 

I love the fact that he keeps saying grease is not a ranged spell when the description clearly states what the distance it can be casted up to is. At that point I moved on because even the simple facts escape him while he of course only speaks the truth. Thanks for posting this.

vyper21oo

Sounds pretty good maybe I will  use the time card I have sitting on my desk  to play  for awhile.

AgtSmith

That old post clearly shows a big flaw in the game.  It is the same flaw that has many area of affect spells missing or otherwise acting oddly in areas where differing levels are concerned.  Grease is suppose to be a 10 foot area of affect and not a wall climbing then floor extending area well beyond the 10 feet of effect as shown very clearly in the sshot.  I was arguing that the flaw is not that it was range cast but that it was cast starting that the defender and it extended several feet in front of him, then up the wall, then out across the top of the second level well surpassing the 10 foot area it is supposed to cover.  Yes, you can cast it over a range but the area of effect is fixed to that 10 foot area it is not from the attacker to the target and all area in between like the sshot shows is happening. 

 

MOD 9 is the carrot Turbine is using to get people to extend subs, it may come some day in a couple/few months but that is not the point.  Vaporware is not software that never comes but software that is hyped and otherwise talked about while being well past its release date or otherwise not coming in the way the talk and hype suggests.  MOD 9 is vaporware and the fact that all they have to show for it at this date, well past to stated times of release, is a couple screenshots and other minor info proves as much.

Sarr

Did anyone hear something? Nah, don't think so . Ah, well, move on.

Sarr

Originally posted by vyper21oo


Sounds pretty good maybe I will  use the time card I have sitting on my desk  to play  for awhile.

Certainly worth a try . If you're a first time, you may feel a little weird with completely different style of gameplay than in LotrO and most other games. But if you've got open mind, and game matches your tastes, DDO might devour you like no other game on the market .

PS: Sorry for double post, I couldn't find out how to delete a post here.

AgtSmith

trial.ddo.com

The beauty of all games with a trial, go see for yourself.  DDO is not a bad game, in fact I think it is a good game, it is just a bad pay to play game (MMORPG) as it really should be a guild wars like buy the game and play for free and buy new content when ready type thing. 

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by AgtSmith


That old post clearly shows a big flaw in the game.  It is the same flaw that has many area of affect spells missing or otherwise acting oddly in areas where differing levels are concerned.  Grease is suppose to be a 10 foot area of affect and not a wall climbing then floor extending area well beyond the 10 feet of effect as shown very clearly in the sshot.  I was arguing that the flaw is not that it was range cast but that it was cast starting that the defender and it extended several feet in front of him, then up the wall, then out across the top of the second level well surpassing the 10 foot area it is supposed to cover.  Yes, you can cast it over a range but the area of effect is fixed to that 10 foot area it is not from the attacker to the target and all area in between like the sshot shows is happening. 
 
MOD 9 is the carrot Turbine is using to get people to extend subs, it may come some day in a couple/few months but that is not the point.  Vaporware is not software that never comes but software that is hyped and otherwise talked about while being well past its release date or otherwise not coming in the way the talk and hype suggests.  MOD 9 is vaporware and the fact that all they have to show for it at this date, well past to stated times of release, is a couple screenshots and other minor info proves as much.

 

Stop using vaporware. You come across like an unhappy teenager instead of the adult you are supposed to be. You keep changing the meaning to fit your narrow mind. Mod9 was due around the birthday of the game. To be vaporware it needs to be released around July or later. You are boring everyone with your repeating of yourself over and over.

AgtSmith

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Stop using vaporware. You come across like an unhappy teenager instead of the adult you are supposed to be. You keep changing the meaning to fit your narrow mind. Mod9 was due around the birthday of the game. To be vaporware it needs to be released around July or later. You are boring everyone with your repeating of yourself over and over.

 

It was originally, loosely of course, said to be due first of 2009, then around now (the anniversery).  My point is that if you look at prio MOD releases when they are at teh stage of showing a couple sshots here and there and some tidbits like they just did they are 4-6 months from releasing it.  They have nearly allways had allmost a month or even 2 before release even after previwing live play sessions to the online mags and such.  None of that windup has even started at this point, only a couple sshots and some teaser type info - so it is easy, very easy, to see it not making its way out until well into the early to mid summer. 

 

Maybe it is harsh to call it vaporware but it is not out of the realm of the term.  Is MOD 9 the next Duke Nukem Forever, most likely not - but Turbine is clearly playing people's desperate desire for new stuff against a mythical near 'eminent' or 'soon' release of something that is clearly months from being ready even as we pass the second, albeit soft, deadline.  To me that is vaporware, the classic 'check is in the mail' type thing.  It isn't a question of whether it will come but whether the impression they try to put out about when is anywhere near the reality of when it will be done and all the while late as well.

ironraptor

Secretly AgtSmith plays DDO, he just does not want to admit it. He only posts under the games he is currently playing.

He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

Aganazer

Originally posted by ironraptor


He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

 

Its always easier to blame the game when you have no idea how to play or what you're doing in a game. Damn rusty defenders cheating by tripping me from 10 feet away! Greasy ranged attack is a turbine cheat hax yo!

AgtSmith

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by ironraptor


He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

 

Its always easier to blame the game when you have no idea how to play or what you're doing in a game. Damn rusty defenders cheating by tripping me from 10 feet away! Greasy ranged attack is a turbine cheat hax yo!

 

You might try re-learning what ten feet is because as the sshot clearly shows the area of effect is far, far exceeding ten feet.  It starts at the defender on the level below, continues up the surface of the horizontal wall (easily more than 10 feet itself) and then continues for a number of feet on the level above.  If working properly the spell would only affect the level the defender is on extending 10 feet from where it started and not climbing the wall beyond ten feet and then extending even further across an entirely different plane.

 

Originally posted by ironraptor


Secretly AgtSmith plays DDO, he just does not want to admit it. He only posts under the games he is currently playing.


He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

 

Nothing secret about it - I have said here I play from time to time.  I just finished playing through three subscription periods which is the longest go at it without getting tired of the same old stuff and leaving (in part because of pals I made playing and in part because of new stuff added though mostly because I had a few characters I wanted to level up this go around).  As I have said, DDO is not a bad game, just a bad pay to play game in so far as it offers so few of the things most pay to play MMOs offer.  If DDO where cheaper to play each month or, better yet, did like Guild Wars does charging no monthly fee and selling the new modules then I would have a completely different overall view on the game.  Instead, Turbine has built in a terrible grind with no real purpose than to, seemingly, justify doing the same thing over and over taking up sub time.  DDO excels at character development though and while you are leveling a toon and developing him it can be a blast, although over time running the same stuff again and again even on different toons gets old.

 

Love the game or hate it, take it or leave it - talking honestly about DDO's strengths and weaknesses is something all should be able to do.  However, far too many fans refuse to admit the weaknesses and honestly discuss the game as a result.  Clearly the game has some serious issues as it has failed miserably to attract much of an audience at all, given that reality I should think that even the fans should be even more open to acknowledging such issues instead of doing the ostrich thing and pretending the problems are not real even if personally they are not something that bothers them.

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by ironraptor


He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

 

Its always easier to blame the game when you have no idea how to play or what you're doing in a game. Damn rusty defenders cheating by tripping me from 10 feet away! Greasy ranged attack is a turbine cheat hax yo!

 

You might try re-learning what ten feet is because as the sshot clearly shows the area of effect is far, far exceeding ten feet.  It starts at the defender on the level below, continues up the surface of the horizontal wall (easily more than 10 feet itself) and then continues for a number of feet on the level above.  If working properly the spell would only affect the level the defender is on extending 10 feet from where it started and not climbing the wall beyond ten feet and then extending even further across an entirely different plane.

 

Originally posted by ironraptor


Secretly AgtSmith plays DDO, he just does not want to admit it. He only posts under the games he is currently playing.


He only criticizes the game so he can deny to himself that he enjoyed playing the game.

 

 

Nothing secret about it - I have said here I play from time to time.  I just finished playing through three subscription periods which is the longest go at it without getting tired of the same old stuff and leaving (in part because of pals I made playing and in part because of new stuff added though mostly because I had a few characters I wanted to level up this go around).  As I have said, DDO is not a bad game, just a bad pay to play game in so far as it offers so few of the things most pay to play MMOs offer.  If DDO where cheaper to play each month or, better yet, did like Guild Wars does charging no monthly fee and selling the new modules then I would have a completely different overall view on the game.  Instead, Turbine has built in a terrible grind with no real purpose than to, seemingly, justify doing the same thing over and over taking up sub time.  DDO excels at character development though and while you are leveling a toon and developing him it can be a blast, although over time running the same stuff again and again even on different toons gets old.

 

Love the game or hate it, take it or leave it - talking honestly about DDO's strengths and weaknesses is something all should be able to do.  However, far too many fans refuse to admit the weaknesses and honestly discuss the game as a result.  Clearly the game has some serious issues as it has failed miserably to attract much of an audience at all, given that reality I should think that even the fans should be even more open to acknowledging such issues instead of doing the ostrich thing and pretending the problems are not real even if personally they are not something that bothers them.

Even most of the biggest fans admit to the problems of the game. It is your approach that gets you those responses. You call people idiots and other names and that is why people defend the game harder. It is not so much bgeing a fanboy as it is being against the way you present your side.

 

Sarr

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Even most of the biggest fans admit to the problems of the game. It is your approach that gets you those responses. You call people idiots and other names and that is why people defend the game harder. It is not so much bgeing a fanboy as it is being against the way you present your side.


 

 

That's exactly what I think. I sign that quote, I think that's really enough.

Borror0

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Originally posted by AgtSmith That old post clearly shows a big flaw in the game.

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A "big flaw in the game"? Are you serious?!

Please, tell me you are not.

The lack of sidekicking/ability to delevel of our character is one, the current pre-made path is one, Korthos being so backward for grouping is one, imbalanced fighting style (especially at lower levels) is one, lack of ability to respec so they can balance the game better is one, the current lag in the Shroud because of uber healing/DPS is one, inefficient means to self-heal, healer dependency when there is only one healing class is one, lack of anything to do other than questing is one, lacking fun solo option is one... but... this? Certainly not.

Oh sure, it'd be cool if the spells would all work as they should but it is certainly not a game killer.

Only one image came to mind when I read that post:

Mordrid

Originally posted by AgtSmith


 Vaporware is not software that never comes but software that is hyped and otherwise talked about while being well past its release date or otherwise not coming in the way the talk and hype suggests.  MOD 9 is vaporware and the fact that all they have to show for it at this date, well past to stated times of release, is a couple screenshots and other minor info proves as much.

 

Main Entry: va·por·ware

Pronunciation: ?v?-p?r-?wer

Function: noun

Date: 1984

: a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vaporware

Mod 9 was announced early/mid 2008. Not sure how that makes it fall into the catergory of vaporware. DarkFall Online up until it actually went into closed beta was vaporware. Mod 9 is not vaporware, as of yet. Now if we havent seen any signs of testing of it by lets say July, then yes, you could theoratically apply the term to it. Also, I have looked at for this proposed release date that has already past for it. I cant find it. Can you link me where it states what the original release date for Mod 9 was.

AgtSmith

Originally posted by Rokurgepta 
Even most of the biggest fans admit to the problems of the game. It is your approach that gets you those responses. You call people idiots and other names and that is why people defend the game harder. It is not so much bgeing a fanboy as it is being against the way you present your side.

 

 

I did not call anyone an idiot, I said a few statements people made where idiotic.  There is a difference.  That adide, we are all entitled to our opinions and I think it is a fair one to say MOD 9 is vaporware in so far as it is clearly being teased by Turbine as being eminent when reality shows that it is not only very late but still some ways off. 

Rokurgepta

Originally posted by AgtSmith

Originally posted by Rokurgepta 
Even most of the biggest fans admit to the problems of the game. It is your approach that gets you those responses. You call people idiots and other names and that is why people defend the game harder. It is not so much bgeing a fanboy as it is being against the way you present your side.

 

 

I did not call anyone an idiot, I said a few statements people made where idiotic.  There is a difference.  That adide, we are all entitled to our opinions and I think it is a fair one to say MOD 9 is vaporware in so far as it is clearly being teased by Turbine as being eminent when reality shows that it is not only very late but still some ways off. 

 

We all know you think it is fair, you have only told us it is vaporware in nearly every post. But you are simply wrong in using it and saying Turbine teases MOD9 as imminent(eminent means standing out or jutting out, imminent means about to happen, more words you use improperly). Might want to look up the words before using them.  If you want to have an intelligent debate and discussion on the subject I am all for it. If you want to call names and call people liars then we are done.

So in review MOD9 may be eminent and stand above all other Mods to date but Turbine has not lead me to believe it is imminent.