We can only hope that we see alot of permanent bans in the next few days More accounts for people that want to play the game.
And DF is in the unique position of being able to ban people at will since so many are waiting in line.
Hope thats sarcasm. Cause outside of a few forums no ones heard of Darkfall. I think it is but its hard to tell on forums.
Plus why does everyone believe what Adv says. Havnt we learned by now that saying and doing are to different things. Reality and dreams are two different universes.
Yeah, i wish i had another game to wait for. Would be great if Blizzard would make a DF clone or something. Just they idea of having 300+ people working on a MMO makes me...hmm....happy! But if you like sandbox MMOs, you shouldent dream to much.
There are a couple on the horizon that have great promise. I can't say too much or I'd have to shoot myself.
It might be easier to enforce now with the game's tiny population, but how exactly do they plan on policing the entire game... If this game ever gets that far?
Never seen much speedhacking in WoW (although the cheats certainly exist), but when it comes to botting they're likely losing the battle on purpose. Most bots are extremely easy to spot, especially as the guys who run the bot farms don't do a thing to hide what they're up to... Still, if you've ever reported any of these totally obvious bots, you will know that they won't be booted off the server for a loooong time - if they get banned at all.
Always wondered if they're held back by a very strict burden of proof, or if they simply going by the "live and let live" motto.
You are quite correct. Actually I wonder if speed hacks do exist? The big difference between a speed hack and a bot is that the former needs to change something. That's much easier to spot than just reading memory or pixels or whatever. Whilst warden might have difficulty spotting a program reading client memory it should sure as hell spot something writing it. Anywhoo I am sure (well guessing) that there are some pretty stringent tests at the server end about where a character should be.
As a funny aside one of the prongs of their legal case is that the bot program reads wow client memory and therefore is breaking copyright! Interesting angle but complete BS.
I do think there is a tacit acceptance by bliz that botting goes on.
Mind you there was an open source project (that I think is inactive now) that was quite remarkable. This used 'meshes' rather than paths and was really pretty life like in how it did its stuff.
I think its posturing. They don't have the will or wherewithall to stop cheaters. Besides its half the population do they really have the balls to band half of there users?
Half the population doers not cheat. I wouldn't even say 1/50 of the population cheats. Macroing? Yes, I'm sure a lot more people macro or "spam" spells than 1/50.
But considering I have yet to see one "hacker", I doubt it's as rampant as you claim. Surprised as you may be, most of the Darkfall community wants to play fairly, especially when it comes to PvP.
Originally posted by downtoearth half the pop BS i would have seen it already and i havent
Then you are blind. It certainly is not because it aint going on. The poll on the official forums suggested the same (half) until it was shut down.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game
Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
most of the Darkfall community wants to play fairly, especially when it comes to PvP.
That comment sent a chill down my spine... Somehow i doubt that "most wants to play fairly," but for your sake, and for everyone else enjoying the game, I hope youre right.
As I see it the obvious speed hacks/ fly hacks/ teleport hacks wont be the biggest problem. The worst hacks will probably be much more subtle.
That was one of the things which pissed me off the most in WAR.
Mythic kept talking about banning the gold seller spam.. yet took no action against the blatantly obvious and relatively high use of WARBuddy and various other programs. Even as many of those same people daily posted their video's to youtube showing what they had done that day...
Altho I would have to say for a small company with lack of resources and the issues they already have... I'll be suprised if they can really do much about it atm.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
My apologies, I misunderstand the kind of poll you were referring to.
But yes, a lot of people macro in the game. I think it's wrong and should be dealth with harshly. What makes Darkfall great is that you progress in your skills by simply "playing" and living the way you "want" to live. Macroing takes away the joy in this aspect and forces people to have to macro as well, just to "stay ahead of the game".
I for one will never macro, and have killed quite a few macro'ers myself. However, I, along with many that share the same sentiments as myself, would love to see macro'ers permantly banned or at the very least, suspended for a few days.
Hopefully they can get this done. I'll put my faith in them until they prove me wrong. They've been great with patching and keeping up with the game itself so far (no, not the pre-orders and billing issues), so I can only hope they can handle this.
Originally posted by downtoearth half the pop BS i would have seen it already and i havent
Then you are blind. It certainly is not because it aint going on. The poll on the official forums suggested the same (half) until it was shut down.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game
Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Well they have a real-time monitor program running, perhaps that will pick up the cheats, infact i wouldn't put it past them to have some kind of sniffer program that looks at your hard drive to see whats on there. then again all you need is a competant GM team.
Ok so Aventurine blows in all aspects of being a business AND you suggest a sniffer program? NOTHING pisses of PC people more than anything lookin at whats on their computer Darkfall would fail immediately if that was implemented.
You guys are not getting the point.
All they need to do is encrypt their outbound packets and encrypt the end user's client return packets. If anyone was to alter or mess with the client side encryption code it SHOULD render the client uncompatible with current version. It is simple really!
This would stop alot of the issues except afk macro'ing.
This does not violate any laws as the only file on the end users HD that would be monitored is the AV file, the one they own.
its not as easy as you think it is. Look at blizzard , they have had the client being hacked before leaving dead bodies of gnomes spelling out the name of a gold farmer website. If a company as big as blizzard and with huge resorces and a large team constantly searching for hacks ect. cant even stop people from hacking wow , imagine darkfall with lots of data stored client side, a small dev team that cannot even update their webpage correctly and a limited lauch is all they can handle due to not haveing funds. No matter how big the text or threats tasos makes. there is nothing stopping a hacker.
Chasing macroers out of a starter town is 1 thing. but a hacker?they will have their hands full and if they mess with the hacker god knows what can happen to the game. Its already sad to see the limited amount of players in game and they have to already pull some ears if not ban some players.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
you can macro actully just not afk macro
so if i set a macro to say grind my mana missile, and put a movie on to watch and not even play, and just respond on chat once in a while to guildies or or CSR, i am good right? hehehe
You are quite correct. Actually I wonder if speed hacks do exist? The big difference between a speed hack and a bot is that the former needs to change something. That's much easier to spot than just reading memory or pixels or whatever. Whilst warden might have difficulty spotting a program reading client memory it should sure as hell spot something writing it. Anywhoo I am sure (well guessing) that there are some pretty stringent tests at the server end about where a character should be. I remember seeing some videos of speed hackers back in the early days, and I've heard a few stories about speed abuse in BG's. Also, there were (are?) some very well known teleport hacks that were used to exploit various instances and that repeatable quest in Tanaris they eventually "fixed" by simply disabling it. Not sure if these hacks still exist or if the Warden has cleaned it up.
As a funny aside one of the prongs of their legal case is that the bot program reads wow client memory and therefore is breaking copyright! Interesting angle but complete BS. I do think there is a tacit acceptance by bliz that botting goes on. Mind you there was an open source project (that I think is inactive now) that was quite remarkable. This used 'meshes' rather than paths and was really pretty life like in how it did its stuff. Sounds interesting from a general AI perspective. Never seen any ingame bots sporting that kind of advanced movement, but then again I've never looked for it
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
you can macro actully just not afk macro
so if i set a macro to say grind my mana missile, and put a movie on to watch and not even play, and just respond on chat once in a while to guildies or or CSR, i am good right? hehehe
Depends how good they are at detecting the hacks...macros I imagine would be easier to spot though.
advanced ai npcs + GMs randomly spamming innocent bystanders with "REPLY NOW OR BE BANNED".
Sooooooooooo watch out for those goblins, and be sure to have your chat windows open (no minimizing and chatting on vent only.)
as always, good luck.
"But I was going to the bathroom, damnit!"
"NO ARGUEMENTS! WE ARE LAW! YOU ARE CRIMINAL BAD PERSON!"
"I'm serious!"
"SCREENSHOT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! TASOS HATH COMMANDED US AND WE SHALT OBEY!"
Noooooooooooooo!
Lol.
Screenshot of me doing it in the bathroom??? AV are pervs !!! Always carry a camera when playing DF. When going to the bathroom, take a few pics of yourself on the john. Make sure your camera has time properly set so it shows on pics.
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And DF is in the unique position of being able to ban people at will since so many are waiting in line.
And DF is in the unique position of being able to ban people at will since so many are waiting in line.
Hope thats sarcasm. Cause outside of a few forums no ones heard of Darkfall. I think it is but its hard to tell on forums.
Plus why does everyone believe what Adv says. Havnt we learned by now that saying and doing are to different things. Reality and dreams are two different universes.
Then you are blind. It certainly is not because it aint going on. The poll on the official forums suggested the same (half) until it was shut down.
There are a couple on the horizon that have great promise. I can't say too much or I'd have to shoot myself.
It might be easier to enforce now with the game's tiny population, but how exactly do they plan on policing the entire game... If this game ever gets that far?
You are quite correct. Actually I wonder if speed hacks do exist? The big difference between a speed hack and a bot is that the former needs to change something. That's much easier to spot than just reading memory or pixels or whatever. Whilst warden might have difficulty spotting a program reading client memory it should sure as hell spot something writing it. Anywhoo I am sure (well guessing) that there are some pretty stringent tests at the server end about where a character should be.
As a funny aside one of the prongs of their legal case is that the bot program reads wow client memory and therefore is breaking copyright! Interesting angle but complete BS.
I do think there is a tacit acceptance by bliz that botting goes on.
Mind you there was an open source project (that I think is inactive now) that was quite remarkable. This used 'meshes' rather than paths and was really pretty life like in how it did its stuff.
Half the population doers not cheat. I wouldn't even say 1/50 of the population cheats. Macroing? Yes, I'm sure a lot more people macro or "spam" spells than 1/50.
But considering I have yet to see one "hacker", I doubt it's as rampant as you claim. Surprised as you may be, most of the Darkfall community wants to play fairly, especially when it comes to PvP.
Then you are blind. It certainly is not because it aint going on. The poll on the official forums suggested the same (half) until it was shut down.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game
Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
most of the Darkfall community wants to play fairly, especially when it comes to PvP.
That comment sent a chill down my spine... Somehow i doubt that "most wants to play fairly," but for your sake, and for everyone else enjoying the game, I hope youre right.
As I see it the obvious speed hacks/ fly hacks/ teleport hacks wont be the biggest problem. The worst hacks will probably be much more subtle.
Well I'd give them a +1 for at least posting it.
That was one of the things which pissed me off the most in WAR.
Mythic kept talking about banning the gold seller spam.. yet took no action against the blatantly obvious and relatively high use of WARBuddy and various other programs. Even as many of those same people daily posted their video's to youtube showing what they had done that day...
Altho I would have to say for a small company with lack of resources and the issues they already have... I'll be suprised if they can really do much about it atm.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
My apologies, I misunderstand the kind of poll you were referring to.
But yes, a lot of people macro in the game. I think it's wrong and should be dealth with harshly. What makes Darkfall great is that you progress in your skills by simply "playing" and living the way you "want" to live. Macroing takes away the joy in this aspect and forces people to have to macro as well, just to "stay ahead of the game".
I for one will never macro, and have killed quite a few macro'ers myself. However, I, along with many that share the same sentiments as myself, would love to see macro'ers permantly banned or at the very least, suspended for a few days.
Hopefully they can get this done. I'll put my faith in them until they prove me wrong. They've been great with patching and keeping up with the game itself so far (no, not the pre-orders and billing issues), so I can only hope they can handle this.
Then you are blind. It certainly is not because it aint going on. The poll on the official forums suggested the same (half) until it was shut down.
Yeah, because everyone on the forums is in game
Not even close to half of the people in game hack. Not even 5%. Like I said before, macroing is commonplace, and those who do it should be kicked and/or banned, but people aren't hacking like crazy like all you think.
official forums anyone can vote
Ok so Aventurine blows in all aspects of being a business AND you suggest a sniffer program? NOTHING pisses of PC people more than anything lookin at whats on their computer Darkfall would fail immediately if that was implemented.
You guys are not getting the point.
All they need to do is encrypt their outbound packets and encrypt the end user's client return packets. If anyone was to alter or mess with the client side encryption code it SHOULD render the client uncompatible with current version. It is simple really!
This would stop alot of the issues except afk macro'ing.
This does not violate any laws as the only file on the end users HD that would be monitored is the AV file, the one they own.
its not as easy as you think it is. Look at blizzard , they have had the client being hacked before leaving dead bodies of gnomes spelling out the name of a gold farmer website. If a company as big as blizzard and with huge resorces and a large team constantly searching for hacks ect. cant even stop people from hacking wow , imagine darkfall with lots of data stored client side, a small dev team that cannot even update their webpage correctly and a limited lauch is all they can handle due to not haveing funds. No matter how big the text or threats tasos makes. there is nothing stopping a hacker.
Chasing macroers out of a starter town is 1 thing. but a hacker?they will have their hands full and if they mess with the hacker god knows what can happen to the game. Its already sad to see the limited amount of players in game and they have to already pull some ears if not ban some players.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
you can macro actully just not afk macro
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
you can macro actully just not afk macro
so if i set a macro to say grind my mana missile, and put a movie on to watch and not even play, and just respond on chat once in a while to guildies or or CSR, i am good right? hehehe
They can talk as long as they want, but they must show with facts that they're able to enforce their policies.
Where did I say half the people hack? (though that day may not be far off). The link was to a poll on macroing. My comments were about macroing. Macroing IS cheating acording to Taco belle (except he was kind of unclear if it wasunder all circumstances). Maybay when they think it through better they will let their customers know unequivocaly. Read more carefully.
you can macro actully just not afk macro
so if i set a macro to say grind my mana missile, and put a movie on to watch and not even play, and just respond on chat once in a while to guildies or or CSR, i am good right? hehehe
pretty much its not really a big deal ..>
this morning they was clan mates in hoe seen admin and a gm enforcing it
this morning they was clan mates in hoe seen admin and a gm enforcing it
Screen shot or it didnt happen.
They came to my clan city a few times and kicked some people off of the game.
It has been happening in starter cities and clan cities. Even some people in the wild.
Big words and promises from aventurine are there trade mark. Actual EFFECTIVE management and action. Yeah... good luck with that.
Or maybe Tasos will just come round a beat your pets with a stick. He been taking Public Relations courses you know.
advanced ai npcs + GMs randomly spamming innocent bystanders with "REPLY NOW OR BE BANNED".
Sooooooooooo watch out for those goblins, and be sure to have your chat windows open (no minimizing and chatting on vent only.)
as always, good luck.
"But I was going to the bathroom, damnit!"
"NO ARGUEMENTS! WE ARE LAW! YOU ARE CRIMINAL BAD PERSON!"
"I'm serious!"
"SCREENSHOT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! TASOS HATH COMMANDED US AND WE SHALT OBEY!"
Noooooooooooooo!
Lol.
Screenshot of me doing it in the bathroom??? AV are pervs !!! Always carry a camera when playing DF. When going to the bathroom, take a few pics of yourself on the john. Make sure your camera has time properly set so it shows on pics.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Until the close the thread. Obviously hit a raw nerve.