Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe. Only mmo nerds would get their panties all in a bunch about it. An no, I haven't played wow in a very long time.
And only nerds would know that Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe.
Originally posted by happytklz FUN objects in a GAME!!!??? For SHAME!!! I demand utter seriousness and consistency from my made-up-world, by Zeus!!
But it's also somewhat about the suspension of disbelief, and involvement with your character.
But I agree with you in one sense. If WoW was a fun game long term I'd still be playing it. However for me it just wasn't. And this was only one (minor) gripe amongst many others.
Seems i recall a dragonlance novel in which a gnome used a submarine. I guess it depends on which fantasy world appeals to you the most. A stricly Tolkien world doesnt have flying mounts at all (as seen in LOTRO) but i like them in the other mmo's i have played. Im a bit tired of WOW but the cycles and helicopters do not bother me. Im not up on the WOW lore but but agree with some of the other posters that they do fit into the idea of gnome tinkerers.
WoW is the McDonald's of the mmorpg Industry. Everyone has had a bite but some of us rather have something a bit more healthy hearty.
Thank you for your usless and pathetic analogy.
Thank you for you uselesss and pathetic response.
Wow is a mix of a tolkienish and real world, where technology has advanced a bit.
I dont think motorcycles are wrong in a fantasy mmo that showed from day 1 it wasnt a mideaval themed mmo.
The only problem atm with wow would be that they seem to be just slapping content on top of everything and building a new mmo for when verything falls.
The pb aint what they add but how they add it.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe. Only mmo nerds would get their panties all in a bunch about it. An no, I haven't played wow in a very long time.
And only nerds would know that Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe.
Only nerds post on MMO forums.
And most nerds are hypocrites...
At least you know you're being a hypocrite. That's a start.
Wow is not the hitler of MMOs or the Mcdonalds of MMOs. They dont kill jews and what they make is the highest quality MMO on the market not cheap fast food. A better comparison would be WOW is jesus christ and other games are just wannabes WAR is like David koresh and DarkFall is like Jim Jones. All I have to say to you guys is STOP! DON`T DRINK THE KOOL AID!!!
That being said I dont like the motorcycles but it is ok to have them. The funny thing is you morons dont have a problem with green space men called orcs doing the Mc Hammer dance in a magical floating city, That is all entirely fine. A motorcycle!! That just doesnt make sense.
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if you go back to the old warcraft lore, you'll find that the gnomes were created (and indeed used to be) clockwork. in this respect, having helicopters and motorbikes isn't that far off from this. anyway, lets not forget that the original warhammer game has helicoptors. thats the beauty of a fantasy world, you can make whatever you like in it, as long as you back it up in lore
Its all what one likes i guess, while i agree helicoptors and cycles in a fantasy setting do take some imagination and getting used to at the same time it is "fantasy". As a fan of Tolkien i agree its a bit off the wall but again, its Blizzards fantasy and i guess they can write it how they want to. I also agree with the blue guys from outerspace comment, is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that a race with space flight capabilities use maces and swords instead of ray guns?
I've always been a big fan of the Shadowrun RPG setting which mixes cyberpunk with fantasy, so the crazy mix of fantasy and steampunk in WoW appealed to me right from the start. Oh, and the humor is pretty darn fun as well, although is does make it a little hard to take things serious from an RP perspective.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
nah they just hate it cause they arent good enough for it afterall it has 12 mill subs nothing a couple of 1k forum whiners say will make any diffrence whatsoever they just cant handle the grind but they tell them self theyr hardcore now cause they play df just cause it has full loot with loot that doesent do much anyways gg
Motorbikes, helicopters, aeroplanes and submarines. Amazing what greed will do to a game company.
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
Yep. My guess is the people that are upset about their inclusion to WoW are the ones who are not aware of their previous place in WC lore..or the ones who prefer a super strict medieval/fantasy setting.
Then again, they get all bent out of shape because of the game's look, when that is also an extension of Warcraft III.
People have this bizarre aversion to anything "colorful"... both literally and figuratively. I could never understand it.
Like... what... your friends won't think you're cool if you play a game that actually -gasp- makes use of vibrant colors and isn't practically monochrome? Do you all see the world through sepa-toned lenses or something? There are people saying D3 looks just like WoW.. I mean seriously. You have to *really* stretch to make that comparison in any serious way.
It's the same thing with the GameCube... Despite the games they wanted to play being available on the GC, I knew people who "refused to buy one" because "it's too cutesy looking". Who the hell cares?! If you enjoy playing the games, then that's all that matters.
And I really don't understand all the "OMG... Blizzard added "such and such".. How *dare* they!"
You know what... if players enjoy that content and it keeps them playing, then it seems it was perfectly worthwhile. Because an individual might not like it doesn't make it "bad for everyone" or "wrong".
And finally... Does anyone else find it amusingly arrogant for anyone to assume they know what should or shouldn't be in the game better than the people who created the series?
Then again... people do that for everything. They'll say the author of a book series "got it wrong" in a new book. Or the creator of a movie "got it wrong" with a story element in the sequel. I guess you'll find people like that for anything. I've personally never understood that conceit. I might not like something, but I won't presume to know how it "should have been done" or that I could have done it better.
-shrug-
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I saw a screenshot recently of something that looked like a motorcycle... please tell me that's not a new kind of mount???
They implement what the 11millions kids wants, its satisfying the customer:P
Calling the Warcraft playerbase kids is real mature right?
Depends if you call telling the truth being mature.
Except it's not the truth.
That's the catch, and that's why it's an absurd statement.
Though I know it's the "e-cool" thing to do, referring to a population of players aging up into their 40s and 50s in many cases as "kiddies" is actually incredibly ignorant.
Last I checked, ignorance is not cool... though it is wholeheartedly embraced, defended and perpetuated on these forums by some.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Motorbikes, helicopters, aeroplanes and submarines. Amazing what greed will do to a game company.
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
They think it makes them look deep and profound.
I agree.. it's a disgraceful comparison.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Wow is not the hitler of MMOs or the Mcdonalds of MMOs. They dont kill jews and what they make is the highest quality MMO on the market not cheap fast food. A better comparison would be WOW is jesus christ and other games are just wannabes WAR is like David koresh and DarkFall is like Jim Jones. All I have to say to you guys is STOP! DON`T DRINK THE KOOL AID!!! That being said I dont like the motorcycles but it is ok to have them. The funny thing is you morons dont have a problem with green space men called orcs doing the Mc Hammer dance in a magical floating city, That is all entirely fine. A motorcycle!! That just doesnt make sense.
lol i found this post highly amusing. i think that the motorcycles and the helicopters fit in the game, its not like wow is some super serious game (they have put alot of humor into the quests and npc names). oh and yes im back playing wow after a month hietus, i started a new toon on shattered halls (a new server) lol.
Personally I think WoW used to be a pretty good game but has deteriorated as they've tried to cater to the people on the general forums who don't know what they're talking about. By WoTLK it had turned into "Okay, we want our PvP to be like our PvE, now get to farming." I think WoTLK had an even shorter life-spawn than The Burning Crusade for a hardcore gamer. When I hit level 80 my only thought was: This is it? Really? They added 10 more levels and reset all the content for this? Wow they must have gone off their rocker.
I think the -effect- WoW has had on the market is terrible. And this problem is two-fold:
1) The Developers. A lot of companies are trying to mirror WoW to get it's success, what they don't have is the Blizzard name-brand so this eventually fails. They also think a game like WoW is what the players want. WoW isn't a very good game, what keeps many people playing is the fact that their friends play. Their friends were probably drawn initially to the fact that WoW is a Blizzard game. That being said, I don't agree with the WoW fanboys that Warhammer is a copycat. Blizzard's two biggest IPs (Warcraft and Starcraft) are both blatantly derived from the Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k settings. This is both in the sense of style and a more general setting. Warhamer Online is much more similar to DAoC than WoW, which in my book is a step in the right direction for the industry.
2) WoW's Players. WoW attracted a lot of new blood to the video game industry. A lot of new blood that really shouldn't be here. They think they want to be designers just so they can create copycat cookie cutter content and think it's going to be the best thing ever. These players have bled into all aspects of gaming, from the lowly forum fanboy forum troll to the reviewer. I get so mad I want to punch my monitor when I read a review that's full of utter nonsense. I'd post several examples but I don't have any handy as I'd rather not bookmark something that's likely going to give me an ulcer. Sadly I don't think there's a remedy for this besides exposure to the next big thing knocking some sense into them about how mediocre WoW really is, but so many companies are trying to copy WoW so who knows long it'll take for that to come out.
"Your mom is my champion... just without the c... or the a... or the m... the p... the i... and now that you mention it, no, no n either."
Alot of companies don't realize why WoW was so popular since its launch. They don't realize that when WoW came out, it was significantly different then the other MMOs out there like EQ and SWG. Although instances weren't new when WoW came out (LDoN expansion for EQ predates the games launch), WoW did refine it to be just a tad bit more than simple killkillkill. At least for the first few runs.
Raiding in WoW was similarly different in respect to it's counterparts. In EQ you didn't need mods at all because mobs weren't that heavily scripted. PoP expansion had a little at the end game bosses, and then went full fledged with MM, but nothing really techy. It was more about pulling right, using mana correctly, and playing at listening to when CH rotations and tank rotations were going on. WoW changed that. You NEEDED mods in WoW to b successful. Mods for bosses, aggro, dot timers, decurse mods, not to mention macros for some bosses. When you had the mods, you simply just had to pay attention............man I'm rambling.
My point is, WoW is just different. That's why there's motorcycles,gyrocopters, guns, combatcows, non-combat pets, and a miriad of stuff that makes the game stand out a little.
And I agree, I do hate the -effect- WoWs success has had on the MMO industry. It's twofold.
One you have the clones that aren't streamlined as WoW is.
Two, when you DO get something different, you get such a bad game, you start thinking they made it different to catch the jaded players and suck um in for a few months.
World of Warcraft has its own unique place in the Fantasy Lore setting just like any other Fantasy IP. The most ridiculous "myth" is that Blizzard "copied" the IP from Warhammer TT (as the roleplaying game came behind it). Not ONE historical trace can be found for this thesis. Besides .... World of Warcraft - as seen from the very beginning in 1994 - is ALL about the evil within. It is about corruption of humanoids, whatever their origin. Everyone has to fight the evil within (which is corrupting the universe). As of 1994 you see the possesion of Medivh, the Karazahn Tower, Elwyn Forest and the fight of Stormwind against the invading Horde when Medivh opened the portal to Azeroth. The world of Warcraft is NOT about the good vs the bad guys (like the very simplistic Warhammer). It is the good vs the evil within. Everyone has to fight the corruption. Heroes become the biggest bandits. So called enemies have friends with "opposing" sides and War between them only prevails when corruption prevails (see the friendship between the Orc Thrall (raised by humans) and Proudmoore (who betrayed her own father to rescue peace). Power corrupts. And Heroes are born, fall in disgrace and come back as their lives (or even deaths) go on. www.wowwiki.com and do some Lore search. Take it all with a big grain of salt. But it is a good setting for a ... video game. So Blizzard invented the story behind the Lore and that Lore includes Gnomes and engineers. They produce mechanical horses, catapults, exploding devices, bombs, airplanes and motor driven zeppelins and ships. If a society can produce a zeppelin in a fantasy setting, why would that be freaky ?
See, you messed up. You did EXACTLY what people do when talking about WoW. They dumb it down. Warhammer is not a simple good vs bad just like WoW isn't. If you're going to compare the two, come prepared. Before sounding just like the ignorant fools who talk about X game and have no idea of what the lore is.
Oh and Warhammer came out in 1983. Which predates WoW. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Motorbikes, helicopters, aeroplanes and submarines. Amazing what greed will do to a game company.
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
I think you're missing the point of his signature.
All he wanted to say is that Popular does not equal Good. It's an extreme and, yes, Godwin-worthy example, but that is what his signature states, and nothing more.
Glorify Hitler? Only if you think having 11 million subscribers glorifies WoW. Which is the point of this entire thing.
There have been tanks and biplanes in ironforge since the games release. There are all manners of mechanized vehicles crashed all over the world in various zones. Choppers (both motorcycle and helicopter) are not a huge leap from the games original release. These items are right in line with the lore of the game and what was put in place during the games launch.
I personally would prefer they were not player mounts, but that doesn't change what the game was designed to have in its lore.
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They implement what the 11millions kids wants, its satisfying the customer:P
Calling the Warcraft playerbase kids is real mature right?
Depends if you call telling the truth being mature.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
And only nerds would know that Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe.
Only nerds post on MMO forums.
And most nerds are hypocrites...
WoW is the McDonald's of the mmorpg Industry. Everyone has had a bite but some of us rather have something a bit more healthy hearty.
But it's also somewhat about the suspension of disbelief, and involvement with your character.
But I agree with you in one sense. If WoW was a fun game long term I'd still be playing it. However for me it just wasn't. And this was only one (minor) gripe amongst many others.
Seems i recall a dragonlance novel in which a gnome used a submarine. I guess it depends on which fantasy world appeals to you the most. A stricly Tolkien world doesnt have flying mounts at all (as seen in LOTRO) but i like them in the other mmo's i have played. Im a bit tired of WOW but the cycles and helicopters do not bother me. Im not up on the WOW lore but but agree with some of the other posters that they do fit into the idea of gnome tinkerers.
Thank you for your usless and pathetic analogy.
Thank you for you uselesss and pathetic response.
Wow is a mix of a tolkienish and real world, where technology has advanced a bit.
I dont think motorcycles are wrong in a fantasy mmo that showed from day 1 it wasnt a mideaval themed mmo.
The only problem atm with wow would be that they seem to be just slapping content on top of everything and building a new mmo for when verything falls.
The pb aint what they add but how they add it.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
And only nerds would know that Motorcycles and helicopters fit just fine within the WoW universe.
Only nerds post on MMO forums.
And most nerds are hypocrites...
At least you know you're being a hypocrite. That's a start.
My Motorcycle mount has a "PWN" registration plate!
And my flying carpet mount is green and soft.
And they are both a part of an imaginary world that I know doesen't exist but I still pretend it does and act accordingly.
Tolkienish world?....they both have dwarves and elves so i guess you are correct.
It's not a mix of tolkein and real world.
It's a mix of magic and steampunk.
Tolkein didn't invent elves and dwarves either.
Wow is not the hitler of MMOs or the Mcdonalds of MMOs. They dont kill jews and what they make is the highest quality MMO on the market not cheap fast food. A better comparison would be WOW is jesus christ and other games are just wannabes WAR is like David koresh and DarkFall is like Jim Jones. All I have to say to you guys is STOP! DON`T DRINK THE KOOL AID!!!
That being said I dont like the motorcycles but it is ok to have them. The funny thing is you morons dont have a problem with green space men called orcs doing the Mc Hammer dance in a magical floating city, That is all entirely fine. A motorcycle!! That just doesnt make sense.
if you go back to the old warcraft lore, you'll find that the gnomes were created (and indeed used to be) clockwork. in this respect, having helicopters and motorbikes isn't that far off from this. anyway, lets not forget that the original warhammer game has helicoptors. thats the beauty of a fantasy world, you can make whatever you like in it, as long as you back it up in lore
Its all what one likes i guess, while i agree helicoptors and cycles in a fantasy setting do take some imagination and getting used to at the same time it is "fantasy". As a fan of Tolkien i agree its a bit off the wall but again, its Blizzards fantasy and i guess they can write it how they want to. I also agree with the blue guys from outerspace comment, is it just me or does anyone else find it odd that a race with space flight capabilities use maces and swords instead of ray guns?
I've always been a big fan of the Shadowrun RPG setting which mixes cyberpunk with fantasy, so the crazy mix of fantasy and steampunk in WoW appealed to me right from the start. Oh, and the humor is pretty darn fun as well, although is does make it a little hard to take things serious from an RP perspective.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
nah they just hate it cause they arent good enough for it afterall it has 12 mill subs nothing a couple of 1k forum whiners say will make any diffrence whatsoever they just cant handle the grind but they tell them self theyr hardcore now cause they play df just cause it has full loot with loot that doesent do much anyways gg
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
Yep. My guess is the people that are upset about their inclusion to WoW are the ones who are not aware of their previous place in WC lore..or the ones who prefer a super strict medieval/fantasy setting.
Then again, they get all bent out of shape because of the game's look, when that is also an extension of Warcraft III.
People have this bizarre aversion to anything "colorful"... both literally and figuratively. I could never understand it.
Like... what... your friends won't think you're cool if you play a game that actually -gasp- makes use of vibrant colors and isn't practically monochrome? Do you all see the world through sepa-toned lenses or something? There are people saying D3 looks just like WoW.. I mean seriously. You have to *really* stretch to make that comparison in any serious way.
It's the same thing with the GameCube... Despite the games they wanted to play being available on the GC, I knew people who "refused to buy one" because "it's too cutesy looking". Who the hell cares?! If you enjoy playing the games, then that's all that matters.
And I really don't understand all the "OMG... Blizzard added "such and such".. How *dare* they!"
You know what... if players enjoy that content and it keeps them playing, then it seems it was perfectly worthwhile. Because an individual might not like it doesn't make it "bad for everyone" or "wrong".
And finally... Does anyone else find it amusingly arrogant for anyone to assume they know what should or shouldn't be in the game better than the people who created the series?
Then again... people do that for everything. They'll say the author of a book series "got it wrong" in a new book. Or the creator of a movie "got it wrong" with a story element in the sequel. I guess you'll find people like that for anything. I've personally never understood that conceit. I might not like something, but I won't presume to know how it "should have been done" or that I could have done it better.
-shrug-
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
They implement what the 11millions kids wants, its satisfying the customer:P
Calling the Warcraft playerbase kids is real mature right?
Depends if you call telling the truth being mature.
Except it's not the truth.
That's the catch, and that's why it's an absurd statement.
Though I know it's the "e-cool" thing to do, referring to a population of players aging up into their 40s and 50s in many cases as "kiddies" is actually incredibly ignorant.
Last I checked, ignorance is not cool... though it is wholeheartedly embraced, defended and perpetuated on these forums by some.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
They think it makes them look deep and profound.
I agree.. it's a disgraceful comparison.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
lol i found this post highly amusing. i think that the motorcycles and the helicopters fit in the game, its not like wow is some super serious game (they have put alot of humor into the quests and npc names). oh and yes im back playing wow after a month hietus, i started a new toon on shattered halls (a new server) lol.
Personally I think WoW used to be a pretty good game but has deteriorated as they've tried to cater to the people on the general forums who don't know what they're talking about. By WoTLK it had turned into "Okay, we want our PvP to be like our PvE, now get to farming." I think WoTLK had an even shorter life-spawn than The Burning Crusade for a hardcore gamer. When I hit level 80 my only thought was: This is it? Really? They added 10 more levels and reset all the content for this? Wow they must have gone off their rocker.
I think the -effect- WoW has had on the market is terrible. And this problem is two-fold:
1) The Developers. A lot of companies are trying to mirror WoW to get it's success, what they don't have is the Blizzard name-brand so this eventually fails. They also think a game like WoW is what the players want. WoW isn't a very good game, what keeps many people playing is the fact that their friends play. Their friends were probably drawn initially to the fact that WoW is a Blizzard game. That being said, I don't agree with the WoW fanboys that Warhammer is a copycat. Blizzard's two biggest IPs (Warcraft and Starcraft) are both blatantly derived from the Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k settings. This is both in the sense of style and a more general setting. Warhamer Online is much more similar to DAoC than WoW, which in my book is a step in the right direction for the industry.
2) WoW's Players. WoW attracted a lot of new blood to the video game industry. A lot of new blood that really shouldn't be here. They think they want to be designers just so they can create copycat cookie cutter content and think it's going to be the best thing ever. These players have bled into all aspects of gaming, from the lowly forum fanboy forum troll to the reviewer. I get so mad I want to punch my monitor when I read a review that's full of utter nonsense. I'd post several examples but I don't have any handy as I'd rather not bookmark something that's likely going to give me an ulcer. Sadly I don't think there's a remedy for this besides exposure to the next big thing knocking some sense into them about how mediocre WoW really is, but so many companies are trying to copy WoW so who knows long it'll take for that to come out.
"Your mom is my champion... just without the c... or the a... or the m... the p... the i... and now that you mention it, no, no n either."
Alot of companies don't realize why WoW was so popular since its launch. They don't realize that when WoW came out, it was significantly different then the other MMOs out there like EQ and SWG. Although instances weren't new when WoW came out (LDoN expansion for EQ predates the games launch), WoW did refine it to be just a tad bit more than simple killkillkill. At least for the first few runs.
Raiding in WoW was similarly different in respect to it's counterparts. In EQ you didn't need mods at all because mobs weren't that heavily scripted. PoP expansion had a little at the end game bosses, and then went full fledged with MM, but nothing really techy. It was more about pulling right, using mana correctly, and playing at listening to when CH rotations and tank rotations were going on. WoW changed that. You NEEDED mods in WoW to b successful. Mods for bosses, aggro, dot timers, decurse mods, not to mention macros for some bosses. When you had the mods, you simply just had to pay attention............man I'm rambling.
My point is, WoW is just different. That's why there's motorcycles,gyrocopters, guns, combatcows, non-combat pets, and a miriad of stuff that makes the game stand out a little.
And I agree, I do hate the -effect- WoWs success has had on the MMO industry. It's twofold.
One you have the clones that aren't streamlined as WoW is.
Two, when you DO get something different, you get such a bad game, you start thinking they made it different to catch the jaded players and suck um in for a few months.
See, you messed up. You did EXACTLY what people do when talking about WoW. They dumb it down. Warhammer is not a simple good vs bad just like WoW isn't. If you're going to compare the two, come prepared. Before sounding just like the ignorant fools who talk about X game and have no idea of what the lore is.
Oh and Warhammer came out in 1983. Which predates WoW. Sorry to burst your bubble.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_Fantasy_Battle
You need to realize that warcraft lore also has a big emphasis on engineering and machinery. World of warcraft is an expansion to that warcraft lore.
Also why the hell is your sig showing hitler's supporters and trying to make it a subtle connection to world of warcraft? Dont you have any sense of decency? You are pathetic. Nobody should glorify what Hitler did and think that Blizzard even remotely is similar.
I think you're missing the point of his signature.
All he wanted to say is that Popular does not equal Good. It's an extreme and, yes, Godwin-worthy example, but that is what his signature states, and nothing more.
Glorify Hitler? Only if you think having 11 million subscribers glorifies WoW. Which is the point of this entire thing.
There have been tanks and biplanes in ironforge since the games release. There are all manners of mechanized vehicles crashed all over the world in various zones. Choppers (both motorcycle and helicopter) are not a huge leap from the games original release. These items are right in line with the lore of the game and what was put in place during the games launch.
I personally would prefer they were not player mounts, but that doesn't change what the game was designed to have in its lore.