Originally posted by Frobner If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day. MMO games should not be treated any diffrently.
There are some people that post stupid responses on this forum but this 1 is the worst I have seen in a longtime.
I can list alot of things in everyday life that would make this comment look stupid,
Lets take ppl who buy cars and fix them up to sell a few weeks later,or indeed people that buy houses that need alot of work done to them,they spend some cash on it and make it look like a totally new house.
Your response makes no sense in everyday life and even less sense in the world of mmo's,mmo's are always improving(for the most part)with patches,regardless if they were in your eyes 100% ready for launch you can be sure they will be better in 10 months,games like AoC and VG had terrible launches but both game's are now alot different now then they were at the launch,AoC more so the VG.
I think you should maybe step away from the keyboard and think about what you will type before typing it.
Erm - YOu do realise that we are talking about buying a product that you are not gonna FIX up yourself ?
Well again you dont make any sense,You said "if you buy ANY product that is crap then 10 months later it would still be crap" not if you spend time and effort to change that,then it wouldnt be "crap".
Also the "fix up yourself" part,the people responsible for AoC are fixing it up pretty much in the same way I would fix something in my house etc that was needing it,sorry but your posts arent making any sense only digging a deeper hole.
I can only assume you dont know how mmo's work and that they are always patching to improve everything about them,they are always a work in progress,so if you buy an mmo you would expect it to be better than it was 10 months prior.
ps,read your 1st quote you said" ANY product",now it seems you have changed that to "any product you dont want to fix up"
I know very well how MMOs work. I have played them for long time - both games that are charged for in subs and those that are charged for out of the box only (like GW). Ofc these games improve. Well .. most of them but not all. I know of few MMOs that were not around 10 months after launch... main reason beeing that they were not finished enough to keep ppl paying for them. I also know quite a few games that barely stayed alive but with minimum extra development cause the developers pretty much saw the game would not pay for the extra content.
No... I still stick with my "Any product" as all products. You can buy a used car that the seller claims only needs a repaint. Then you find out that it has alot of issues that the dealer knew about - and you take that person to court.
But the real issue here is the NDA. Most can see that Funcom deleberatly used the NDA to prevent ppl for finding out the truth about the state of the game. The thing is... Funcom knew the real state... but didn't inform the custimors.
If FC keeps losing money and pouring it into this game they may have a product worth playing 2-3 years( they are real slow at doing stuff) from now. That is assuming they begin making good decisions and rework the underlining or hidden game mechanics.
Will they do that? who knows, will people come back 2 years from now? doubtful as this game has such low hype now not many people follow it and the word of mouth hype is 100% bad from people potential players know, usually. Bring up how good AoC is in another game and you better be wearing a fire proof suit.
Ohh come on companies hiding behind the NDA is nothing new,it seems to be a way of life now for mmo's.
No-one is argueing that the launch was a real let down and the game wasnt ready,what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day.
Sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like saying a geforce 7600 is crap, and then after having it upgraded by nvidia technicians to a 9600 it's still crap. How can it still be crap when it has immensely changed to become better?
Like graphic cards, a MMO is constantly changing, and beeing added upon and tweaked.
AoC is definitively not the exeption here, quite contrary.
My best friend left after the first month, and returned months later after flaming me for playing such a "shitty game". He said the game was crap at launch, but finds it now to be a really great game. He doesn't fit in with your theory that "people who got burned in the start will not think it's any better now".
I told him not to be so butthurt over that Funcom didn't live up to all their promises, and that every gaming company in the world hypes up their game and doesn't deliver anyways (exept for blizzard, who doesn't need to put any effort into hyping up their games).
FUNCOM LIED TO ME
SOE LIED TO ME
MYTHIC LIED TO ME
ADVENTURINE LIED TO ME
/baaawwww
Im sorry if you dont see that geforge 7600 and 9600 are not the same PRODUCT. In other words. You do not pay for the 7600 and then get the 9600.
What you are saying is that ppl that didn't like ANARCY ONLINE are saying that AOC is crap. This is NOT the case - even tho alot of the AO ppl repeatedly tried to remind us all how unfinished that game launched.
AOC at launch and AOC today are not two diffrent products. About the whining. Thats your problem. If Funcom really wants to make steaks instead of hamburgers - then they ALSO need to treat the CUSTIMORS like they are eating steaks. Not hamburgers. But again - steak 7600 and hamburger 9600 = NOT the same product. Get it ?
I couldn't make much sense out of what you posted. I'd suggest some english and grammar classes.
Also, I don't think he meant to say you pay for the 7600 and eventually are given a 9600. He used the GeForce itself as an example, stating that it's 9600 counterpart is better as a result of producing the 7600 and so on and so forth.
AoC is still AoC. However AoC is from what I have read and seen a much better game today than it was at launch. Yes there are still some minor issues to be worked out but they will be worked out. The game had it's rock bottom and the only direction to go was up and they are still climbing. Will they ever reach the top? No idea. Will the game reach it's potential? I suspect so.
Im pretty sure you have not been following what steak and hamburger means when it comes to AOC
But again about 7600 and 9600. There would have been none 9600 if not for 7600 you say. Well.. Would there have been 9600 if 7600 would have been released unfinished ? Would ppl still be buying Nvidia products if they spend money on something from that company that didn't work when they bought it ? This is exactly what the words "what a pitty" stand for.
AOC today and AOC 10 months ago are EXACTLY the same product when it comes to the actual box that is bought at start. The PRODUCT is the box you pay for in the store. And its also a product you could ONLY use for LIMITED time in the unfinished state. Saying that the product that ppl bought 10 months ago is now working fine would be ok - IF the ppl that bought it 10 months ago could actually use it WIHTOUT paying extra for it.
If you still want to compare it to the Geoforce... You do know that 7600 version is STILL getting updates WITHOUT charging ppl extra for it ? Or you didn't know that ?
Now... Thats probably why Nvidia is the leading developer and seller of graphics cards.... Get it ?
Ohh come on companies hiding behind the NDA is nothing new,it seems to be a way of life now for mmo's. No-one is argueing that the launch was a real let down and the game wasnt ready,what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
It can ceratinly be said that people who didn't like it at launch, wouldn't like it now. Bugs aside, missing content aside, for many AoC's general design was sub-par for the genre. It was built to be console friendly, casual friendly, solo-friendly, very short character progression, heavy overlap in class abilities, eye-candy graphics over number of elements the gfx engine can render per playfield ... while fine for a single player game, they are contrary to the basics elements of successful MMOs.
Fans of the game want to think the only gripes players had were the bugs and the content gaps, I think most MMO fans didn't find AoC to be very 'MMO-like'
Ohh come on companies hiding behind the NDA is nothing new,it seems to be a way of life now for mmo's. No-one is argueing that the launch was a real let down and the game wasnt ready,what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
I quote for the last time.
Originally posted by Frobner
If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day.
Pretty much says you are saying how AoC is now.
Anyway I am done in this thread,more chance of striking oil digging the back garden tomorrow than having you admit you were wrong.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Ohh come on companies hiding behind the NDA is nothing new,it seems to be a way of life now for mmo's. No-one is argueing that the launch was a real let down and the game wasnt ready,what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
I quote for the last time.
Originally posted by Frobner
If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day.
Pretty much says you are saying how AoC is now.
Anyway I am done in this thread,more chance of striking oil digging the back garden tomorrow than having you admit you were wrong.
Person that bought AOC 10 months ago would still consider the 30 days he played at start to be crap. And If he did't pay extra for checking it out later on then the experience and therefor the entrie game is still a crap. For them ofc.
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There are some people that post stupid responses on this forum but this 1 is the worst I have seen in a longtime.
I can list alot of things in everyday life that would make this comment look stupid,
Lets take ppl who buy cars and fix them up to sell a few weeks later,or indeed people that buy houses that need alot of work done to them,they spend some cash on it and make it look like a totally new house.
Your response makes no sense in everyday life and even less sense in the world of mmo's,mmo's are always improving(for the most part)with patches,regardless if they were in your eyes 100% ready for launch you can be sure they will be better in 10 months,games like AoC and VG had terrible launches but both game's are now alot different now then they were at the launch,AoC more so the VG.
I think you should maybe step away from the keyboard and think about what you will type before typing it.
Erm - YOu do realise that we are talking about buying a product that you are not gonna FIX up yourself ?
Well again you dont make any sense,You said "if you buy ANY product that is crap then 10 months later it would still be crap" not if you spend time and effort to change that,then it wouldnt be "crap".
Also the "fix up yourself" part,the people responsible for AoC are fixing it up pretty much in the same way I would fix something in my house etc that was needing it,sorry but your posts arent making any sense only digging a deeper hole.
I can only assume you dont know how mmo's work and that they are always patching to improve everything about them,they are always a work in progress,so if you buy an mmo you would expect it to be better than it was 10 months prior.
ps,read your 1st quote you said" ANY product",now it seems you have changed that to "any product you dont want to fix up"
I know very well how MMOs work. I have played them for long time - both games that are charged for in subs and those that are charged for out of the box only (like GW). Ofc these games improve. Well .. most of them but not all. I know of few MMOs that were not around 10 months after launch... main reason beeing that they were not finished enough to keep ppl paying for them. I also know quite a few games that barely stayed alive but with minimum extra development cause the developers pretty much saw the game would not pay for the extra content.
No... I still stick with my "Any product" as all products. You can buy a used car that the seller claims only needs a repaint. Then you find out that it has alot of issues that the dealer knew about - and you take that person to court.
But the real issue here is the NDA. Most can see that Funcom deleberatly used the NDA to prevent ppl for finding out the truth about the state of the game. The thing is... Funcom knew the real state... but didn't inform the custimors.
If FC keeps losing money and pouring it into this game they may have a product worth playing 2-3 years( they are real slow at doing stuff) from now. That is assuming they begin making good decisions and rework the underlining or hidden game mechanics.
Will they do that? who knows, will people come back 2 years from now? doubtful as this game has such low hype now not many people follow it and the word of mouth hype is 100% bad from people potential players know, usually. Bring up how good AoC is in another game and you better be wearing a fire proof suit.
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Ohh come on companies hiding behind the NDA is nothing new,it seems to be a way of life now for mmo's.
No-one is argueing that the launch was a real let down and the game wasnt ready,what I am saying is that you saying if it was crap at release it will still be crap now 10 months after release,I think that are still upset about the launch and will never forgive them(fair enough thats your opinion and you are entitled to it)but I also think you have not played the game lately and just feel the need to put the game down at every turn,wiether you want to believe it or not the game is alot better than at release,maybe you are still pissed at Funcom but maybe when posting your views you should add you havent played it recently.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
Sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me. It's like saying a geforce 7600 is crap, and then after having it upgraded by nvidia technicians to a 9600 it's still crap. How can it still be crap when it has immensely changed to become better?
Like graphic cards, a MMO is constantly changing, and beeing added upon and tweaked.
AoC is definitively not the exeption here, quite contrary.
My best friend left after the first month, and returned months later after flaming me for playing such a "shitty game". He said the game was crap at launch, but finds it now to be a really great game. He doesn't fit in with your theory that "people who got burned in the start will not think it's any better now".
I told him not to be so butthurt over that Funcom didn't live up to all their promises, and that every gaming company in the world hypes up their game and doesn't deliver anyways (exept for blizzard, who doesn't need to put any effort into hyping up their games).
FUNCOM LIED TO ME
SOE LIED TO ME
MYTHIC LIED TO ME
ADVENTURINE LIED TO ME
/baaawwww
Im sorry if you dont see that geforge 7600 and 9600 are not the same PRODUCT. In other words. You do not pay for the 7600 and then get the 9600.
What you are saying is that ppl that didn't like ANARCY ONLINE are saying that AOC is crap. This is NOT the case - even tho alot of the AO ppl repeatedly tried to remind us all how unfinished that game launched.
AOC at launch and AOC today are not two diffrent products. About the whining. Thats your problem. If Funcom really wants to make steaks instead of hamburgers - then they ALSO need to treat the CUSTIMORS like they are eating steaks. Not hamburgers. But again - steak 7600 and hamburger 9600 = NOT the same product. Get it ?
I couldn't make much sense out of what you posted. I'd suggest some english and grammar classes.
Also, I don't think he meant to say you pay for the 7600 and eventually are given a 9600. He used the GeForce itself as an example, stating that it's 9600 counterpart is better as a result of producing the 7600 and so on and so forth.
AoC is still AoC. However AoC is from what I have read and seen a much better game today than it was at launch. Yes there are still some minor issues to be worked out but they will be worked out. The game had it's rock bottom and the only direction to go was up and they are still climbing. Will they ever reach the top? No idea. Will the game reach it's potential? I suspect so.
Im pretty sure you have not been following what steak and hamburger means when it comes to AOC
But again about 7600 and 9600. There would have been none 9600 if not for 7600 you say. Well.. Would there have been 9600 if 7600 would have been released unfinished ? Would ppl still be buying Nvidia products if they spend money on something from that company that didn't work when they bought it ? This is exactly what the words "what a pitty" stand for.
AOC today and AOC 10 months ago are EXACTLY the same product when it comes to the actual box that is bought at start. The PRODUCT is the box you pay for in the store. And its also a product you could ONLY use for LIMITED time in the unfinished state. Saying that the product that ppl bought 10 months ago is now working fine would be ok - IF the ppl that bought it 10 months ago could actually use it WIHTOUT paying extra for it.
If you still want to compare it to the Geoforce... You do know that 7600 version is STILL getting updates WITHOUT charging ppl extra for it ? Or you didn't know that ?
Now... Thats probably why Nvidia is the leading developer and seller of graphics cards.... Get it ?
ATI FTW!
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
It can ceratinly be said that people who didn't like it at launch, wouldn't like it now. Bugs aside, missing content aside, for many AoC's general design was sub-par for the genre. It was built to be console friendly, casual friendly, solo-friendly, very short character progression, heavy overlap in class abilities, eye-candy graphics over number of elements the gfx engine can render per playfield ... while fine for a single player game, they are contrary to the basics elements of successful MMOs.
Fans of the game want to think the only gripes players had were the bugs and the content gaps, I think most MMO fans didn't find AoC to be very 'MMO-like'
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
I quote for the last time.
Originally posted by Frobner
If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day.
Pretty much says you are saying how AoC is now.
Anyway I am done in this thread,more chance of striking oil digging the back garden tomorrow than having you admit you were wrong.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I have not said one word about the quality of AOC at this moment in time. I have been talking about the ethic of the company that runs the game.
If ppl want to find out for themselfs about the quality - they can wait for free trial. My point is those ppl should not trust one word that comes from Funcom. Our job is to help ppl see through the lies until a free trial is actually launched - IF it will be launched. Remember.... Funcom does not always tell the truth...
About all companies hiding behind NDA. Thats not true. Nothing is further from the truth actually. You dont work for Funcom do you ? :P
I quote for the last time.
Originally posted by Frobner
If someone bought ANY product 10 months ago that was crap - It still would be crap to this day.
Pretty much says you are saying how AoC is now.
Anyway I am done in this thread,more chance of striking oil digging the back garden tomorrow than having you admit you were wrong.
Person that bought AOC 10 months ago would still consider the 30 days he played at start to be crap. And If he did't pay extra for checking it out later on then the experience and therefor the entrie game is still a crap. For them ofc.