What most people here fail to understand is this was said on a guild channel which are not monitored in other games. CoH is different.
And this is pretty much what I am campaigning against. If you want to set up an adult themed group you cannot, however you can run around as a playboy pornstar almost completely naked and shoot a human in the face. You just cannot say any potty words in any context. It screams double standards.
If I had a daughter I would much rather her see potty words than people playing playboy bunny style clones with perfect ten bodies running around with just straps around their nipples. Or you can have stockings porn star like high heels and leather thongs/panties. This is the reality of most random groups I have played in.
It's silly but almost every mmo, atleast the p2p ones got those rules to protect the kiddies. Me personally think they can stuff those rules where the sun don't shine as I like to swear and curse alot. It's part of our speech up north in Norway where I live. If people find it offensive then get the hell out of that chat. It's that easy. Noone is forcing you to read it and noone is forcing you to group with those kinda people. Non-private chat should be under those rules though, but private chat, like group/guild and tells should be exempt from them.
This stink of doublestandards too, as the op said, cause in CoX you can dress your toon up in almost any way you want. If you want your toon to look like a prostitute, you can. If you want your toon to be almost naked, you can. All mmo's are like this to some degree. Sure, you can look like a pornstar but you better not swear and curse or talk dirty. Stupid...
I always turn off the profanity filter in MMOs. The main reason is because I'm an adult, and I believe I should be able to hear everything, instead of seeing &#%* instead of "crap." My virgin ears have long ago been deflowered, and keeping the filter on makes me feel like a little kid, so I always turn it off.
That being said, I rarely swear in an MMO in a public channel. I'll do it in guild chat or groups with people I know, but even then I rarely drop F-bombs or talk about explicit sexual stuff. The reason? It doesn't offend me, certainly not. I've always considered myself to have a very strong vocabulary, and I believe I am capable of being far more verbose than to have to pepper a sentence with 5 or 6 F-bombs. I believe the act of swearing around people you don't know, or when there's a chance impressionable kids will see it (and most of the time, in the presence of women as well) to be a classless habit.
Now before your head explodes and you take offense, if you are somebody who swears, don't misunderstand me saying that, and interpret it is I think everybody who swears is a dirtbag. It's just my honest belief that if you can get a point across, intelligently and clearly, without every other word being obscene, then you probably should.
I guess I can put it this way. Lewis Black swearing is funny because he does it for comedic effect, and entertainment value. Some nobody swearing every other word because he thinks it makes him cool, and has no effect on getting the point across or not, is not funny, and is actually pretty lame.
Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.
The real world involves alot of cursing especially in top end business get a grip :P heck come to my country and I'll show you interviews with our gentry every other word is the F word (in front of children). Prudes belong in the past.
Games like Wow and War attract a lot of immature idiots that revel in their ignorance and uncivilized behavior, and cannot begin to fathom why their loathsome behavior and limited vocabulary shouldn't be celebrated by children of all ages. I could care less what goes on in your guildchat, but if you're breaking the eula and find it too stringent, quit. Problem solved. They nerfed my toons,I quit. Finding it necessary to launch a "campaign" against them based on this desire to say things like the "N" word cuz YOU'RE joking further chips away at what little merit your argument had to begin with. Y'know I thought cesspools like Wow, War and Darkfall would be enough for people like this, but corruption is never truly satisfied til we all reach a lowest common denominator, is it? Btw, as far as business folk using profanity, that is utterly irrelevant, and should not be surprising as these "leaders of industry and finance" rob the people and manipulate the system for their own benefit like its a bodily function, indifferent to who they harm, but I guess you wouldn't raise an eyebrow to that, you've got your war on decency to fight. Could someone use enough of Colonial's favorite words to lock this waste of space topic...please?
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" (Psalm 94:16)
Yes guild and sg channels are monitored in CoX. In all honesty, they are monitored in EVERY MMO out there. All communications are logged in every MMO. Several reasons for this. Just because they are monitored and logged, does not mean you have someone sitting there watching what you say and do in real time looking for adult material. They only look if a report it made. I know many adult themed SGs and VGs out there, including a Gorean SG on Triumph. These groups are very picky about who they let join due to the nature of their SGs. SImply put, before you let someone join your group or SG, you tell them that your group does talk of mature themes. They can decide there if they want to join or not. Instead of getting pissy about the rules that have always been in place, try actually following them or move onto a game like AoC that is mature themed and you can behave in the way you desire.
The real world involves alot of cursing especially in top end business get a grip :P heck come to my country and I'll show you interviews with our gentry every other word is the F word (in front of children). Prudes belong in the past. Anyway here is a nice comic strip from massively. www.massively.com/category/grinders
So your reasoning is, "they talk that way so I can too."
I'm not being a prude, I swear from time to time, but never in front of children, mine or someone else's. It's a matter of maturity and decency.
The real world involves alot of cursing especially in top end business get a grip :P heck come to my country and I'll show you interviews with our gentry every other word is the F word (in front of children). Prudes belong in the past. Anyway here is a nice comic strip from massively. www.massively.com/category/grinders
So your reasoning is, "they talk that way so I can too."
I'm not being a prude, I swear from time to time, but never in front of children, mine or someone else's. It's a matter of maturity and decency.
In closing.......grow up.
Considering I have done plenty of that I take your attack with a heavy pinch of salt.
MMORPGs unless otherwise stated are not meant for children. In my country the Good Vs Evil Box has a 16 Rating on it and legally should not be sold to or played by children. Therefore your arguement is flawed, just because some parents allow their children to play does not mean the majority have to suffer the ingrown prudeness that seems to emnate from the community police in city of heroes/villains.
Under my watch I allow kids in my care to have a good go at my mmos but Im there to answer any questions they have regarding what they see. I am allowing them onto an internet game therefore I expect them to encounter adult communities/chat.
Lets be honest here yes Phuket is the name of a provience but I would be willing to bet fairly heavily on the fact that your "friend" did not choose the name for that reason. He choose it hoping for the very response and to hopefully be able to beat the system by being able to giggle to himself by getting on up on the man.
However, back to your problem the use of swearing and other distasteful language in a mmorpg can be disrupting for some players so when doing a random pickup group it may be prudent to mention that, because believe it or not, not everyone wants to be party to a active discussion of male and female reproductive organs when they are trying to save/conquer the world.
In short if you want to use expixit language in a group chat make sure ALL in group are ok with it otherwise (boot them / or take it into tells).
As I said above he is Thai. If you wanted to get around the F word system you can use any number of combinations. This guy was legitimate.
Take your children into any thai restaurant and they will likely see Phuket Noodles as a listed dish.
My VG leaders were a couple, good religious folk and it is now folding because of this, even they cannot take it. Thats about 20 accounts gone in about a months time.
I am not over exaggerating this is what has unfolded tonight.
I poked around a bit on the open beta for Issue 14 and the Architect has me pretty excited as well as two other friends who had left the game for a while.
Remember, it has to be fun to be a game. Grinding is a bedroom activity, and the point is definitely not to do my wife as fast as possible.
I'm out btw, I won't argue with those that disagree anymore. I just have no fight left, this experience has totally squashed any essence within this game and has broken part of my community.
Very ironic, as the person you offended may have said the same thing.
- I don't see the problem . If you dislike swearing / cussing leave you profanity filter ON problem solved. If someone circumvents that filter temp ban them(if a repeat offender Perma-BAN is possible). If someone is using sexual content that may contain inuendo that can be more difficult .I would issue a short ban and a warning if they were reported again (within 30 days) they too would get a BAN (possibly a perma-BAN buh-bye).
- What i do disagree with is turning OFF the profanity filter and then reporting people for using profanity. I think that is at best very dishonest and at worst it is circumventing the profanity filter much like the above exapmle I gave. I think a warning would be in order for anyone who does that in the hopes of getting someone banned.
- I have never understood why a company has a filter that can be turned off for those that don't mind profanity and then they ban someone who would use profanity.
- I don't see the problem . If you dislike swearing / cussing leave you profanity filter ON problem solved. If someone circumvents that filter temp ban them(if a repeat offender Perma-BAN is possible). If someone is using sexual content that may contain inuendo that can be more difficult .I would issue a short ban and a warning if they were reported again (within 30 days) they too would get a BAN (possibly a perma-BAN buh-bye). - What i do disagree with is turning OFF the profanity filter and then reporting people for using profanity. I think that is at best very dishonest and at worst it is circumventing the profanity filter much like the above exapmle I gave. I think a warning would be in order for anyone who does that in the hopes of getting someone banned. - I have never understood why a company has a filter that can be turned off for those that don't mind profanity and then they ban someone who would use profanity.
Because the profanity filter is not an excuse to use profanities. It is there so that people really offended by them will never have to see them if they are used, but they are still against the EULA.
- I don't see the problem . If you dislike swearing / cussing leave you profanity filter ON problem solved. If someone circumvents that filter temp ban them(if a repeat offender Perma-BAN is possible). If someone is using sexual content that may contain inuendo that can be more difficult .I would issue a short ban and a warning if they were reported again (within 30 days) they too would get a BAN (possibly a perma-BAN buh-bye). - What i do disagree with is turning OFF the profanity filter and then reporting people for using profanity. I think that is at best very dishonest and at worst it is circumventing the profanity filter much like the above exapmle I gave. I think a warning would be in order for anyone who does that in the hopes of getting someone banned. - I have never understood why a company has a filter that can be turned off for those that don't mind profanity and then they ban someone who would use profanity.
I generally agree with the sentiments of this post.
I tend to come down pretty strongly on the other side of this. That is to say I don't think there's anything "adult" about the inability to form sentences that don't refer to your genitalia. And no auto-filter will excuse it because your languange is not my obligation. (Plus you know full well that the filter tends to obscure very little if it's a truly graphic situation.)
That said, if it's just Team chat - not broadcast, not a global channel, not even local, then I would definitely defend you. In a small easily-controlled group like that you aren't forcing your language on anyone, nor have you interfered with anyone who hasn't agreed to join you. So I think you were just unlucky to invite a person who took exception.
To be safe, in the future it wouldn't hurt you in that type of situation to warn a new group member what they're getting into. And since the GM only gave you a warning, I wouldn't say they were overly picky about it either.
- I don't see the problem . If you dislike swearing / cussing leave you profanity filter ON problem solved. If someone circumvents that filter temp ban them(if a repeat offender Perma-BAN is possible). If someone is using sexual content that may contain inuendo that can be more difficult .I would issue a short ban and a warning if they were reported again (within 30 days) they too would get a BAN (possibly a perma-BAN buh-bye). - What i do disagree with is turning OFF the profanity filter and then reporting people for using profanity. I think that is at best very dishonest and at worst it is circumventing the profanity filter much like the above exapmle I gave. I think a warning would be in order for anyone who does that in the hopes of getting someone banned. - I have never understood why a company has a filter that can be turned off for those that don't mind profanity and then they ban someone who would use profanity.
Because the profanity filter is not an excuse to use profanities. It is there so that people really offended by them will never have to see them if they are used, but they are still against the EULA.
If that is the case why bother making it optional..... Just make it perma then issue bans for circumventing ... obviously that can't be why they have filters that can be turned off. They must have them selectable for a reason if anyone has a link to an official post on the subject i would love to see it.
(We have filters that block profanity but if you want to see profanity or don't mind it turn the filter off but realize if you use profanity you will be banned.....) That makes no sense to me. If they don't want profanity in the game or if, they are just trying to C.Y.A (so to speak), then why not have a perma filter so this is a non-issue? What makes more sense to me is a company saying we know some people don't like profanity and some don't mind. With that said we will give you the option to view or not view profanity. Your Choice. BTW defaulted ON and has to be turned off. This is a good idea to me and as i said before i don't see the problem.
stupid system, kids under the age of 18 should'ent be allowd to play online games.
rules are meant to be broken....
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stupid system, kids under the age of 18 should'ent be allowd to play online games. rules are meant to be broken....
Now this is a funny post! You suggest a rule about kids under 18 playing online games and then go on to say rules are meant to be broken. The irony is just too much!
The whole idea that a sound coming out of the mouth can have magical fireballs attached to them that leap around burning people is absolute ignorance in it's most raw form.
Don't ever expect anyone who is pro word censorship or even believes that words can be 'bad' to have any sort of logical or intelligent stance on the subject. Best to just chuckle at their child-like ignorance and then ignore them.
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And this is pretty much what I am campaigning against. If you want to set up an adult themed group you cannot, however you can run around as a playboy pornstar almost completely naked and shoot a human in the face. You just cannot say any potty words in any context. It screams double standards.
If I had a daughter I would much rather her see potty words than people playing playboy bunny style clones with perfect ten bodies running around with just straps around their nipples. Or you can have stockings porn star like high heels and leather thongs/panties. This is the reality of most random groups I have played in.
It's silly but almost every mmo, atleast the p2p ones got those rules to protect the kiddies. Me personally think they can stuff those rules where the sun don't shine as I like to swear and curse alot. It's part of our speech up north in Norway where I live. If people find it offensive then get the hell out of that chat. It's that easy. Noone is forcing you to read it and noone is forcing you to group with those kinda people. Non-private chat should be under those rules though, but private chat, like group/guild and tells should be exempt from them.
This stink of doublestandards too, as the op said, cause in CoX you can dress your toon up in almost any way you want. If you want your toon to look like a prostitute, you can. If you want your toon to be almost naked, you can. All mmo's are like this to some degree. Sure, you can look like a pornstar but you better not swear and curse or talk dirty. Stupid...
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I always turn off the profanity filter in MMOs. The main reason is because I'm an adult, and I believe I should be able to hear everything, instead of seeing &#%* instead of "crap." My virgin ears have long ago been deflowered, and keeping the filter on makes me feel like a little kid, so I always turn it off.
That being said, I rarely swear in an MMO in a public channel. I'll do it in guild chat or groups with people I know, but even then I rarely drop F-bombs or talk about explicit sexual stuff. The reason? It doesn't offend me, certainly not. I've always considered myself to have a very strong vocabulary, and I believe I am capable of being far more verbose than to have to pepper a sentence with 5 or 6 F-bombs. I believe the act of swearing around people you don't know, or when there's a chance impressionable kids will see it (and most of the time, in the presence of women as well) to be a classless habit.
Now before your head explodes and you take offense, if you are somebody who swears, don't misunderstand me saying that, and interpret it is I think everybody who swears is a dirtbag. It's just my honest belief that if you can get a point across, intelligently and clearly, without every other word being obscene, then you probably should.
I guess I can put it this way. Lewis Black swearing is funny because he does it for comedic effect, and entertainment value. Some nobody swearing every other word because he thinks it makes him cool, and has no effect on getting the point across or not, is not funny, and is actually pretty lame.
Science flies people to the moon. Religion flies people into buildings.
I always leave the filter on. A typical conversation will be something like:
"I ##$%@# hit the ##$#$# monster with my #### sword 20 #### times. "
Makes you realise that profanity is so over used today that it lacks any meaning and is a boring waste of space and time.
We all know that naughty words makes the sky fall in and destroy's the space time continuum.
Nah, but it does seperate the actual adults from the immature idiots. Especially when they have to take the time to type them out.
The real world involves alot of cursing especially in top end business get a grip :P heck come to my country and I'll show you interviews with our gentry every other word is the F word (in front of children). Prudes belong in the past.
Anyway here is a nice comic strip from massively. www.massively.com/category/grinders
Games like Wow and War attract a lot of immature idiots that revel in their ignorance and uncivilized behavior, and cannot begin to fathom why their loathsome behavior and limited vocabulary shouldn't be celebrated by children of all ages. I could care less what goes on in your guildchat, but if you're breaking the eula and find it too stringent, quit. Problem solved. They nerfed my toons,I quit. Finding it necessary to launch a "campaign" against them based on this desire to say things like the "N" word cuz YOU'RE joking further chips away at what little merit your argument had to begin with. Y'know I thought cesspools like Wow, War and Darkfall would be enough for people like this, but corruption is never truly satisfied til we all reach a lowest common denominator, is it? Btw, as far as business folk using profanity, that is utterly irrelevant, and should not be surprising as these "leaders of industry and finance" rob the people and manipulate the system for their own benefit like its a bodily function, indifferent to who they harm, but I guess you wouldn't raise an eyebrow to that, you've got your war on decency to fight. Could someone use enough of Colonial's favorite words to lock this waste of space topic...please?
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
(Psalm 94:16)
Yes guild and sg channels are monitored in CoX. In all honesty, they are monitored in EVERY MMO out there. All communications are logged in every MMO. Several reasons for this. Just because they are monitored and logged, does not mean you have someone sitting there watching what you say and do in real time looking for adult material. They only look if a report it made. I know many adult themed SGs and VGs out there, including a Gorean SG on Triumph. These groups are very picky about who they let join due to the nature of their SGs. SImply put, before you let someone join your group or SG, you tell them that your group does talk of mature themes. They can decide there if they want to join or not. Instead of getting pissy about the rules that have always been in place, try actually following them or move onto a game like AoC that is mature themed and you can behave in the way you desire.
So your reasoning is, "they talk that way so I can too."
I'm not being a prude, I swear from time to time, but never in front of children, mine or someone else's. It's a matter of maturity and decency.
In closing.......grow up.
So your reasoning is, "they talk that way so I can too."
I'm not being a prude, I swear from time to time, but never in front of children, mine or someone else's. It's a matter of maturity and decency.
In closing.......grow up.
Considering I have done plenty of that I take your attack with a heavy pinch of salt.
MMORPGs unless otherwise stated are not meant for children. In my country the Good Vs Evil Box has a 16 Rating on it and legally should not be sold to or played by children. Therefore your arguement is flawed, just because some parents allow their children to play does not mean the majority have to suffer the ingrown prudeness that seems to emnate from the community police in city of heroes/villains.
Under my watch I allow kids in my care to have a good go at my mmos but Im there to answer any questions they have regarding what they see. I am allowing them onto an internet game therefore I expect them to encounter adult communities/chat.
I will add now a friend of mine who is thai called Phuket within city of villains after some thai island he was petitioned and renamed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phuket_Province
Thats the final nail in the coffin.
Lets be honest here yes Phuket is the name of a provience but I would be willing to bet fairly heavily on the fact that your "friend" did not choose the name for that reason. He choose it hoping for the very response and to hopefully be able to beat the system by being able to giggle to himself by getting on up on the man.
However, back to your problem the use of swearing and other distasteful language in a mmorpg can be disrupting for some players so when doing a random pickup group it may be prudent to mention that, because believe it or not, not everyone wants to be party to a active discussion of male and female reproductive organs when they are trying to save/conquer the world.
In short if you want to use expixit language in a group chat make sure ALL in group are ok with it otherwise (boot them / or take it into tells).
Just my 2 cents
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As I said above he is Thai. If you wanted to get around the F word system you can use any number of combinations. This guy was legitimate.
Take your children into any thai restaurant and they will likely see Phuket Noodles as a listed dish.
My VG leaders were a couple, good religious folk and it is now folding because of this, even they cannot take it. Thats about 20 accounts gone in about a months time.
I am not over exaggerating this is what has unfolded tonight.
I'm out btw, I won't argue with those that disagree anymore.
I just have no fight left, this experience has totally squashed any essence within this game and has broken part of my community.
A shame.
I poked around a bit on the open beta for Issue 14 and the Architect has me pretty excited as well as two other friends who had left the game for a while.
Remember, it has to be fun to be a game. Grinding is a bedroom activity, and the point is definitely not to do my wife as fast as possible.
Very ironic, as the person you offended may have said the same thing.
- I don't see the problem . If you dislike swearing / cussing leave you profanity filter ON problem solved. If someone circumvents that filter temp ban them(if a repeat offender Perma-BAN is possible). If someone is using sexual content that may contain inuendo that can be more difficult .I would issue a short ban and a warning if they were reported again (within 30 days) they too would get a BAN (possibly a perma-BAN buh-bye).
- What i do disagree with is turning OFF the profanity filter and then reporting people for using profanity. I think that is at best very dishonest and at worst it is circumventing the profanity filter much like the above exapmle I gave. I think a warning would be in order for anyone who does that in the hopes of getting someone banned.
- I have never understood why a company has a filter that can be turned off for those that don't mind profanity and then they ban someone who would use profanity.
Because the profanity filter is not an excuse to use profanities. It is there so that people really offended by them will never have to see them if they are used, but they are still against the EULA.
I generally agree with the sentiments of this post.
I tend to come down pretty strongly on the other side of this. That is to say I don't think there's anything "adult" about the inability to form sentences that don't refer to your genitalia. And no auto-filter will excuse it because your languange is not my obligation. (Plus you know full well that the filter tends to obscure very little if it's a truly graphic situation.)
That said, if it's just Team chat - not broadcast, not a global channel, not even local, then I would definitely defend you. In a small easily-controlled group like that you aren't forcing your language on anyone, nor have you interfered with anyone who hasn't agreed to join you. So I think you were just unlucky to invite a person who took exception.
To be safe, in the future it wouldn't hurt you in that type of situation to warn a new group member what they're getting into. And since the GM only gave you a warning, I wouldn't say they were overly picky about it either.
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Because the profanity filter is not an excuse to use profanities. It is there so that people really offended by them will never have to see them if they are used, but they are still against the EULA.
If that is the case why bother making it optional..... Just make it perma then issue bans for circumventing ... obviously that can't be why they have filters that can be turned off. They must have them selectable for a reason if anyone has a link to an official post on the subject i would love to see it.
(We have filters that block profanity but if you want to see profanity or don't mind it turn the filter off but realize if you use profanity you will be banned.....) That makes no sense to me. If they don't want profanity in the game or if, they are just trying to C.Y.A (so to speak), then why not have a perma filter so this is a non-issue? What makes more sense to me is a company saying we know some people don't like profanity and some don't mind. With that said we will give you the option to view or not view profanity. Your Choice. BTW defaulted ON and has to be turned off. This is a good idea to me and as i said before i don't see the problem.
stupid system, kids under the age of 18 should'ent be allowd to play online games.
rules are meant to be broken....
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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Now this is a funny post! You suggest a rule about kids under 18 playing online games and then go on to say rules are meant to be broken. The irony is just too much!
The whole idea that a sound coming out of the mouth can have magical fireballs attached to them that leap around burning people is absolute ignorance in it's most raw form.
Don't ever expect anyone who is pro word censorship or even believes that words can be 'bad' to have any sort of logical or intelligent stance on the subject. Best to just chuckle at their child-like ignorance and then ignore them.
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