Exactly thats the second time The Game developers help out the same alliance cheating the game mechanics.
Total corruption in my opinon i will stop playing this game when Jumpgate comes out.
And for all other people out there...don't waste your time with this game,because the game developers favor the alliance they are playing on giving them money,ships and whatever they need without having to work for it .
I'm not sure I'm catching on what's so bad about it? from what I gather here they just helped them fix their associations? so searching for Kenny you now get this new BoBlet
This thread makes me laugh lol. The T20 thing was YEARS ago, and I'm not even sure what the hell the OP is talking about with this new allegation. So they uh...changed the description in the search function? That helps them win wars?
WTF?
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It sounds like the Search function gives some form of infomation about the guilds. And BoB is not showing up in the database, not sure what advantage that is since the OP didn't say what kind of info the Search function supplies.
Originally posted by nethervoid
This thread makes me laugh lol. The T20 thing was YEARS ago, and I'm not even sure what the hell the OP is talking about with this new allegation. So they uh...changed the description in the search function? That helps them win wars?
I also don't see the issue since the OP didn't explain what you can do with the EVE Search but the T20 issue is no less important today to keep remembering it. Just because it happened a while ago is no reason to start ignoring it, that's not how to learn from history.
the T20 issue is no less important today to keep remembering it. Just because it happened a while ago is no reason to start ignoring it, that's not how to learn from history.
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Point is not to forget it happened, but at some point it becomes irrelevant for current situations. I would say it's irrelevant now.
*edit* Also I think they could have accomplished this by just creating a new alliance, and then moving the current corps over to the new alliance, although they would drop to sov 1 again, just like the first time they 'changed alliance names'.
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nope, sky is not falling. given that ccp have reformed alliances that have lapsed due to missed payments im still not seeing why this is so terrible. if they had given bob their sov 3 back i could understand that complaints... but this just looks like goonie style crying.
CCP renamed Kenzoku to "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and changed their ticker to ".BOB.".
It's not a big deal but seeing an MMO company to break their own EULA is disappointing and considering the past accusations regarding the nature of relationship between BoB and CCP, this doesn't look good for CCP.
Someone already posted the issue in more detail, so I'll quote it here:
TWO of CCP's rules were broken with this act and by themselves.
Violations:
1. CCP does not do name changes upon player request.
2. CCP does not allow naming your player, corporation, or alliance something that parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance. Band of Brothers Reloaded is a painfully obvious parody of Band of Brothers the corporation that existed PRIOR to "Band of Brothers Reloaded". And yes, I'm well aware that this corporation was created by Goonswarm specifically to block the original Band of Brothers members from reclaiming their name. But not one single aspect of this was done using exploits or any other even prohibited means.
There's no explaination for it other than favoritism. The name KenZoku was not a violation of the ToS. Thus it was not eligible for a GM name change.
Do I care? not really....doesnt affect me at all. But, CCP lost some more credibility in my eyes and convinced me to stay outta 0.0 politics once again. ^^
nope, sky is not falling. given that ccp have reformed alliances that have lapsed due to missed payments im still not seeing why this is so terrible. if they had given bob their sov 3 back i could understand that complaints... but this just looks like goonie style crying.
Well, that's another thing. The only legitimate way to rename an alliance is to disband the alliance and re-form under the new name. BoB currently has a few systems with Sovereignty 3. Besides, you need to pay a billion to create an alliance.
So, basically, by not going through the legitimate way, they kept their sov 3 systems and saved a billion. (it's a small amount for BoBR but still )
ccp have given alliances back after fees were not payed, or after one was stolen ffs.
the idea of ccp renaming bob back to bob sits ok with me. claiming that the bob corp should have blocked bob reforming is a bit daft, as that corp falls foul of that eula rule anyhow.
im not seeing any favouritism here, im just seeing a lot of whinging, doom mongering and comical accusations about band of developers. (theres more ccp employees in goonswarm btw).
I'm just not understanding what the issue is, please elaborate further.
ccp have the policy that dont change ingame names and now they changed (if is not a bug) keny name to bob reloaded
the problem is not the money for bob 1 bn is next to none for them, the problem renamed a player alliance(if is not buged) and all this time CCP deny the name change to all players
also the max characters in a alliance is 24 and bob reloaded have 25
The only way you can't see anything wrong with CCP breaking the game mechanics to help another alliance is...
Either your are from Bob alliance or a a pet of theirs
You are a CCP developer
You are plain st*pid
When supporting the breaking of rules to help another Alliance please mention what what option fits you also.
im none of those and still dont have a big issue with it. Nothing worth getting upset over. if you gonna quit, then just quit. The game will just gain more people next month regardless
The only way you can't see anything wrong with CCP breaking the game mechanics to help another alliance is...
Either your are from Bob alliance or a a pet of theirs
You are a CCP developer
You are plain st*pid
When supporting the breaking of rules to help another Alliance please mention what what option fits you also.
Always funny as hell to hear a Goonie howling about "corruption" and "unfairness"... I take it that it hasn't dawned on you, that if CCP was biased in favor of BoB, that the entire traitor disbanding wouldn't have been allowed? I'm just about as Carebear as it gets, but I've watched the on going drama for years now.
Okay, Not a bobbit and fankly i'm glad they did. Personnally I wish that when a corp/alliance gets to a certain point thier name should be entered into game lore and Frozen. Fine, Goon managed to tweak a Emoragequiting Director into doing something favorable for them, it's gotten BoB kmoslty kicked out of thier space. But one of the things that I've seen on the EVE forums is that the Loss of the name was just stupid, it was a loss to everyone that played the game and I'm glad they got it back in a way.
Oh and if CCP is helping out the corp/alliance that they play for then start with the Threats against the goons because CCP has said on several occasions that there is more CCP members in Goon then BoB.
Okay, Not a bobbit and fankly i'm glad they did. Personnally I wish that when a corp/alliance gets to a certain point thier name should be entered into game lore and Frozen. Fine, Goon managed to tweak a Emoragequiting Director into doing something favorable for them, it's gotten BoB kmoslty kicked out of thier space. But one of the things that I've seen on the EVE forums is that the Loss of the name was just stupid, it was a loss to everyone that played the game and I'm glad they got it back in a way. Oh and if CCP is helping out the corp/alliance that they play for then start with the Threats against the goons because CCP has said on several occasions that there is more CCP members in Goon then BoB.
lol is strange to see you ppl supporting this because goons disband them bla bla bla
ad you are ignoring that fact that CCP changed the name of a player alliance
that thing was denied to stain when the made stian and they had to remake the alliance but no is ok for kenzuko to get the name changed to bob reloaded whit out paying 1 bn isk and remaking the alliance
lol is strange to see you ppl supporting this because goons disband them bla bla bla
ad you are ignoring that fact that CCP changed the name of a player alliance
that thing was denied to stain when the made stian and they had to remake the alliance but no is ok for kenzuko to get the name changed to bob reloaded whit out paying 1 bn isk and remaking the alliance you hate to goons blind your eyes
Actually, I've always been part of the northern alliance, fought in goon lead fleets against BOB, killed dozens of BOB POS's the hard way, and yet, I can't find it in myself to care about this move.
Such a minor thing, not worth my time to get worked up about it I guess.
BOB consists of players, just like me trying to have fun playing a game. I don't see this as a threat but I guess I can understand why others might.
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Exactly thats the second time The Game developers help out the same alliance cheating the game mechanics.
Total corruption in my opinon i will stop playing this game when Jumpgate comes out.
And for all other people out there...don't waste your time with this game,because the game developers favor the alliance they are playing on giving them money,ships and whatever they need without having to work for it .
I'm not sure I'm catching on what's so bad about it? from what I gather here they just helped them fix their associations? so searching for Kenny you now get this new BoBlet
oh noes! corruption! obviously ccp are giving bob free supercaps!
look at yourselves, wtf are you on about?
The only way you can't see anything wrong with CCP breaking the game mechanics to help another alliance is...
When supporting the breaking of rules to help another Alliance please mention what what option fits you also.
Whats wrong with creating a new alliance?
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Oh, they changed the alliance name into BoB. Or something :P
Nevermind then
Never heard about T2O and the bpo's that were given by that developer [or developers] to BoB?
This thread makes me laugh lol. The T20 thing was YEARS ago, and I'm not even sure what the hell the OP is talking about with this new allegation. So they uh...changed the description in the search function? That helps them win wars?
WTF?
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I'm just not understanding what the issue is, please elaborate further.
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It sounds like the Search function gives some form of infomation about the guilds. And BoB is not showing up in the database, not sure what advantage that is since the OP didn't say what kind of info the Search function supplies.
I also don't see the issue since the OP didn't explain what you can do with the EVE Search but the T20 issue is no less important today to keep remembering it. Just because it happened a while ago is no reason to start ignoring it, that's not how to learn from history.
yes, im aware of T20 and the subsequent setting up of IA. im not really seeing any reason for the butthurt here.
CCP renamed Kenzoku into Band of Brothers Reloaded.
And they kept their sov or something
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1031623
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1031624
Topics with a bit of information, kinda...
{ Mod Edit }
Point is not to forget it happened, but at some point it becomes irrelevant for current situations. I would say it's irrelevant now.
*edit* Also I think they could have accomplished this by just creating a new alliance, and then moving the current corps over to the new alliance, although they would drop to sov 1 again, just like the first time they 'changed alliance names'.
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*looks outside*
nope, sky is not falling. given that ccp have reformed alliances that have lapsed due to missed payments im still not seeing why this is so terrible. if they had given bob their sov 3 back i could understand that complaints... but this just looks like goonie style crying.
CCP renamed Kenzoku to "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and changed their ticker to ".BOB.".
It's not a big deal but seeing an MMO company to break their own EULA is disappointing and considering the past accusations regarding the nature of relationship between BoB and CCP, this doesn't look good for CCP.
Someone already posted the issue in more detail, so I'll quote it here:
TWO of CCP's rules were broken with this act and by themselves.
Violations:
1. CCP does not do name changes upon player request.
2. CCP does not allow naming your player, corporation, or alliance something that parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance. Band of Brothers Reloaded is a painfully obvious parody of Band of Brothers the corporation that existed PRIOR to "Band of Brothers Reloaded". And yes, I'm well aware that this corporation was created by Goonswarm specifically to block the original Band of Brothers members from reclaiming their name. But not one single aspect of this was done using exploits or any other even prohibited means.
There's no explaination for it other than favoritism. The name KenZoku was not a violation of the ToS. Thus it was not eligible for a GM name change.
Do I care? not really....doesnt affect me at all. But, CCP lost some more credibility in my eyes and convinced me to stay outta 0.0 politics once again. ^^
*looks outside*
nope, sky is not falling. given that ccp have reformed alliances that have lapsed due to missed payments im still not seeing why this is so terrible. if they had given bob their sov 3 back i could understand that complaints... but this just looks like goonie style crying.
Well, that's another thing. The only legitimate way to rename an alliance is to disband the alliance and re-form under the new name. BoB currently has a few systems with Sovereignty 3. Besides, you need to pay a billion to create an alliance.
So, basically, by not going through the legitimate way, they kept their sov 3 systems and saved a billion. (it's a small amount for BoBR but still )
ccp have given alliances back after fees were not payed, or after one was stolen ffs.
the idea of ccp renaming bob back to bob sits ok with me. claiming that the bob corp should have blocked bob reforming is a bit daft, as that corp falls foul of that eula rule anyhow.
im not seeing any favouritism here, im just seeing a lot of whinging, doom mongering and comical accusations about band of developers. (theres more ccp employees in goonswarm btw).
You know what? This makes be both happy, and sad..
Sad because, yet again, CCP have apperantly given in to the whine of some schmuck from BoB.
Happy because it gives me a lot more towers to kill, and a lot more reason to stay in x-BoB space.
If they get their sovereignity back, we'll just keep taking it from them. It's no harder than stealing candy from babies. (:
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ccp have the policy that dont change ingame names and now they changed (if is not a bug) keny name to bob reloaded
the problem is not the money for bob 1 bn is next to none for them, the problem renamed a player alliance(if is not buged) and all this time CCP deny the name change to all players
also the max characters in a alliance is 24 and bob reloaded have 25
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im none of those and still dont have a big issue with it. Nothing worth getting upset over. if you gonna quit, then just quit. The game will just gain more people next month regardless
Ehh tbh While I always wanted BoB blown out of Null sec I never wanted them to lose their name.
It's good to see them with a .BoB. tag again.
Hell their already almost totally blown out of Delve (the last time I checked anyway).
Personally I just wished BoB got owned the right way, With a big alliance WTF pwning them out of Delve not some newb Director disbanding them.
The whole thing is weak imo and the goons taking credit for all of it is just as weak, waiting for them to go down next then eve will be perfect.
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Always funny as hell to hear a Goonie howling about "corruption" and "unfairness"... I take it that it hasn't dawned on you, that if CCP was biased in favor of BoB, that the entire traitor disbanding wouldn't have been allowed? I'm just about as Carebear as it gets, but I've watched the on going drama for years now.
Okay, Not a bobbit and fankly i'm glad they did. Personnally I wish that when a corp/alliance gets to a certain point thier name should be entered into game lore and Frozen. Fine, Goon managed to tweak a Emoragequiting Director into doing something favorable for them, it's gotten BoB kmoslty kicked out of thier space. But one of the things that I've seen on the EVE forums is that the Loss of the name was just stupid, it was a loss to everyone that played the game and I'm glad they got it back in a way.
Oh and if CCP is helping out the corp/alliance that they play for then start with the Threats against the goons because CCP has said on several occasions that there is more CCP members in Goon then BoB.
Quoted for truth and agreeance.
lol is strange to see you ppl supporting this because goons disband them bla bla bla
ad you are ignoring that fact that CCP changed the name of a player alliance
that thing was denied to stain when the made stian and they had to remake the alliance but no is ok for kenzuko to get the name changed to bob reloaded whit out paying 1 bn isk and remaking the alliance
you hate to goons blind your eyes
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Actually, I've always been part of the northern alliance, fought in goon lead fleets against BOB, killed dozens of BOB POS's the hard way, and yet, I can't find it in myself to care about this move.
Such a minor thing, not worth my time to get worked up about it I guess.
BOB consists of players, just like me trying to have fun playing a game. I don't see this as a threat but I guess I can understand why others might.
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