cosy what does this mean? You are speaking mysteries tonight. It's like you're speaking in tongues
some ppl hate goons to much and this hate dont let them see the unfair treatment that bob got
oh here a list of things related to this
Stian Empire was created. Someone noticed the typo, told CCP. CCP told them to disband the alliance (and getting no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name correctly.
black 0ut was created. Someone realized how dumb this was, and so they asked CCP to change it to Black Out. CCP told them no, and that they'd have to disband the alliance (and get no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name the way they wanted to.
Against All Authorities had a slight mishap where someone didn't pay the maintenance build. They lost all their sovereignty, had to recreate the alliance, and had to once again front the 1b isk fee. CCP did not reimburse any of that.
Most people agree that BoB losing its name was lame.
If I were CCP I would of given them a name change right away.
Whether you've been playing Eve a week or 5 years you know who BoB is their apart of Eve history and to lose a name that way they did is a Pure fail on CCPs part imo.
BoB should have been blown out of Null by a massive alliance not some Emo Director using a flaw in the alliance system to do what no other alliance was capable of doing.
This flaw in the system has Bob basically tossed out of delve, do they need to lose their name also?
Anyway i'm having fun reading all the Emo rage quit posts on the Official forums, got my popcorn and soda baby lol.
Also give it a rest none of you are quitting over this so whipe your eyes and grow up.
Perhaps the Goonies have brought many peoples attitudes towards them on to themselves? As I stated, I've been watching this on going drama for years now. One case in point is the Goonies weekend psych op, directed at CCP(who defused it rather well). The ongoing hysterics while highly entertaining, make one wonder why you are all still in the *game* if you are being so totally "victimized"?
CCP Wrangler Posted - 2009.03.23 17:57:00 Please contact Customer Support by creating a petition if you have any questions regarding the naming policies.
Does this really matter? Most people agree that BoB losing its name was lame. If I were CCP I would of given them a name change right away. Whether you've been playing Eve a week or 5 years you know who BoB is their apart of Eve history and to lose a name that way they did is a Pure fail on CCPs part imo. BoB should have been blown out of Null by a massive alliance not some Emo Director using a flaw in the alliance system to do what no other alliance was capable of doing. This flaw in the system has Bob basically tossed out of delve, do they need to lose their name also? Anyway i'm having fun reading all the Emo rage quit posts on the Official forums, got my popcorn and soda baby lol. Also give it a rest none of you are quitting over this so whipe your eyes and grow up.
I too, love the emo-quitters.
However, this was not a flaw in the alliance system. Emoragers have been like "OMG THIS SHOULDN"T BE POSSIBLE" and answer is: if you give people access, you give people access. No fault other than your own. For a wow-comparison this is like if you give people access to take and put in anything they want into your guild bank and they steal the whole thing. Now whose fault would that be?
From eve's website: "In EVE you are free to choose your own destiny...conduct espionage and infiltration" I can't find the page where it talks about corporate espionage but it's in there. Meanwhile, people only pay attention because bob is full of crying whiny carebears and overlooked stuff. Nobody said shit when this came around: http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ for example, not that it's even accurate.
Posted by GM Grimmi(Official Eve Forum General Discussion)
Posted - 2009.03.24 13:04:00 - [1]
Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic:
In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~
And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR
Posted by GM Grimmi(Official Eve Forum General Discussion)
Posted - 2009.03.24 13:04:00 - [1]
Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues. We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic:
In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~
And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR
Posted by GM Grimmi(Official Eve Forum General Discussion)
Posted - 2009.03.24 13:04:00 - [1]
Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues. We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic:
In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~
And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR
all that crap to remove KenZoku from corporation history
ccp have given alliances back after fees were not payed, or after one was stolen ffs.
the idea of ccp renaming bob back to bob sits ok with me. claiming that the bob corp should have blocked bob reforming is a bit daft, as that corp falls foul of that eula rule anyhow. im not seeing any favouritism here, im just seeing a lot of whinging, doom mongering and comical accusations about band of developers. (theres more ccp employees in goonswarm btw).
I think BoB got shafted by CCP when the goons stole their alliance precisely because CCP feared a backlash and being accused of playing favourites and the reason they where shafted is because the exact same thing happened to another alliance and when they petitioned it the GMs restored everything. Some ex racketeer members seized control over the Methods of mayhem alliance by kicking out all the corps and then they disbanded the alliance, when the alliance members petitioned it the GMs restored everything to its original state.
So there was a clear precedent for a stolen alliance being restored but CCP must have feared doing the same for BoB because they feared the uproar it would cause.
Back to this renaming business I think unless there is a damn good reason for allowing this name change like the rumours of it resulting from a legal action being true CCP should completely review their renaming policy because now its been done once players in the future should have the same option if the circumstances are similar because CCP have always stuck to the line "we do not change character, corp and alliance names".
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"This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment. "
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This is good for EVE and I like it. This is CCP's style. Throw caution to the wind and do what's best for the game.
repeatedly cheating for the same alliance is good for the game?
wtf?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
The funny part of this that one of the My goon friends pointed out is that Everyone that is arguing over this are in fact enforcing that this should happen. During our entire discussion he pointed out that We weren't refering to kenzoku or whatever but we all refered to them as BoB... Even in the title of this thread and post after post in it you see the same thing: "BoB got thier name back", "Bob's alliance name no longer Kenzoki." Everyone still refers to them as BoB, because thats what they are with the exception of the alliance name. So big whoop that they got the name that everyone still refers to them by.
The funny part of this that one of the My goon friends pointed out is that Everyone that is arguing over this are in fact enforcing that this should happen. During our entire discussion he pointed out that We weren't refering to kenzoku or whatever but we all refered to them as BoB... Even in the title of this thread and post after post in it you see the same thing: "BoB got thier name back", "Bob's alliance name no longer Kenzoki." Everyone still refers to them as BoB, because thats what they are with the exception of the alliance name. So big whoop that they got the name that everyone still refers to them by.
BoB will always be BoB whether Goons like it or not.
BoB is apart of EvE history I'm not surprised to see their name back.
They could be named pink fuzzy bunny humpers and people will still refer to them as BoB.
The funny part of this that one of the My goon friends pointed out is that Everyone that is arguing over this are in fact enforcing that this should happen. During our entire discussion he pointed out that We weren't refering to kenzoku or whatever but we all refered to them as BoB... Even in the title of this thread and post after post in it you see the same thing: "BoB got thier name back", "Bob's alliance name no longer Kenzoki." Everyone still refers to them as BoB, because thats what they are with the exception of the alliance name. So big whoop that they got the name that everyone still refers to them by.
BoB will always be BoB whether Goons like it or not.
BoB is apart of EvE history I'm not surprised to see their name back.
They could be named pink fuzzy bunny humpers and people will still refer to them as BoB.
You lie Sir.
Bob is referred in game by Kenny or Beavers(now) by its enemy's.
Get your act together and post when you know what you are talking about please.
The funny part of this that one of the My goon friends pointed out is that Everyone that is arguing over this are in fact enforcing that this should happen. During our entire discussion he pointed out that We weren't refering to kenzoku or whatever but we all refered to them as BoB... Even in the title of this thread and post after post in it you see the same thing: "BoB got thier name back", "Bob's alliance name no longer Kenzoki." Everyone still refers to them as BoB, because thats what they are with the exception of the alliance name. So big whoop that they got the name that everyone still refers to them by.
the point shouldn't be the name itself.
it should be that ccp is doing for this alliance, something they have refused to do for every alliance that has before requested it.
kenzoku was in existence for some time and has sov 3 or 4. it was a pre-existing alliance, pre to the disbanding of bob? so instead of having to build up sov in a newly created alliance with the name "band of brothers reloaded" (which i believe has too many characters to be a legal name, cheating again there); they are merely allowed to retain sov, in an alliance that existed prior to bob's dissolution, and change the name.
it's not that they're called bob, or trinity, or barbie...
name too long, no one else gets a name that's got more than 24 characters, do they?
allowed to retain sov, while everyone else who wanted a new name had to reform as a new alliance
from what i've heard, this alliance did exist before bob was disbanded, so it's not like they rushed and created it on the spur of the moment... they ran to it so that they'd get sov instantly, instead of having to start at 0 and work to 1?
the actual name of the alliance be damned... that is NOT the cheating (other than it's too long to be a legal name, but the 'bob' part of it isn't the cheating)...
name one other alliance, that wasn't named something like "shit britches" or another profane/offensive-laden name, who had their name changed without having to disband and lose sov.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"CCP has a long history of corruption and favoritism since day 1, even before BoB existed. It started with the 'Old Boys Club' of m0o, Evolution and RKK back during Castor years
Internal QA knowledge of PvP exploits. Knowledge of market shifting patch changes before public release. Massive insider knowledge of the T2 BPO lottery and Aurora events flowed freely between these corporations.
BoB crashing the nodes to win fleet battles wasn't just from their UK location. They exploited a flaw in how clients logged into the Tranquility server. It involved having a second game client open and filled, waiting on standby to forcibly disconnect your current client from the server. There were other methods involved, but it's an example how BoB had a *deep* understanding of eve's server mechanics and node balancing, as with other parts of the game.
I used to work in ISD as a Bug Hunter, so I witnessed some of this corruption first-hand. The chaos server(original test server, before singularity existed) was a breeding ground for exploitation and insider knowledge. While I worked on squashing bugs, I would see other ISD members scouting out moons and enemy stations from the latest game backup. Some people also had '/spawn' privileges, and used it to gather insider knowledge on new equipment, game mechanics, and even exploits. I tried to report these problems myself, but they got swept under the rug by certain GMs and QA members. I remember Nebulai, the old Aurora lead calling me a liar, even after I caught some of his event staff cheating during an event(with slash commands), unfairly destroying other player's ships and property.
I think the public opening of singularity server has been a large help in making EVE a level playing field. Everyone has equal rights to limitless equipment on the test server, and can tinker around with new patches and game changes. I also think transparency with the new ISD and event teams has gone a long way to remove favoritism and free giveaways of officer loot.
Even though the impact of ISD, GM and developer corruption has been greatly reduced, I feel that CCP still doesn't take this kind of cheating seriously. Eve Online iron-clad naming policy has screwed over countless other people in the past due to its *bitter* fairness, and yet everything is waved for just *one* alliance. Not just any alliance; It's the same alliance that gets their hand caught in the cookie jar, every time. Aurora event scandals. 10/10 complexes with farmable overseers, exploiting aggro timers, bugged trade routes using titan portals, shooting players though starbase shields, crashing nodes down to a science, etc. The list is very, very long.
For those that do not understand, this isn't about a simple name change. BoB used an already-existing 'alternate' alliance to fall back into after being disbanded, to immediately reclaim their sovereignty. The downside is they're stuck with using the alt-alliance, and must disband to create a more 'official' one. Using GM intervention, however, they are having their cake and eating it too. This is after the GM's told everyone else the cake was a lie.
The widespread corruption is hard to quantify, as many players who went through it have already quit the game in disgust. I think the current player base will mainly cite the t20 scandal as their oldest memory, even though the free BPO's were trash and insignificant compared to t20's knowledge on how to control the lottery itself.
I have also quit the game in disgust and no longer play EVE. I use this free account(gifted to me by kieron) to poke around and check out the new expansions every now and then. I thought the t20 scandal and creation of internal affairs would be the last time BoB was given any kind of favoritism by the higher powers. It saddens me that I was wrong.
The tl;dr version: The cake is a lie, unless you're BoB. Then you get plenty of cake. "
Originally posted by damian7 name one other alliance, that wasn't named something like "shit britches" or another profane/offensive-laden name, who had their name changed without having to disband and lose sov.
"CCP has a long history of corruption and favoritism since day 1, even before BoB existed. It started with the 'Old Boys Club' of m0o, Evolution and RKK back during Castor years Internal QA knowledge of PvP exploits. Knowledge of market shifting patch changes before public release. Massive insider knowledge of the T2 BPO lottery and Aurora events flowed freely between these corporations. BoB crashing the nodes to win fleet battles wasn't just from their UK location. They exploited a flaw in how clients logged into the Tranquility server. It involved having a second game client open and filled, waiting on standby to forcibly disconnect your current client from the server. There were other methods involved, but it's an example how BoB had a *deep* understanding of eve's server mechanics and node balancing, as with other parts of the game. I used to work in ISD as a Bug Hunter, so I witnessed some of this corruption first-hand. The chaos server(original test server, before singularity existed) was a breeding ground for exploitation and insider knowledge. While I worked on squashing bugs, I would see other ISD members scouting out moons and enemy stations from the latest game backup. Some people also had '/spawn' privileges, and used it to gather insider knowledge on new equipment, game mechanics, and even exploits. I tried to report these problems myself, but they got swept under the rug by certain GMs and QA members. I remember Nebulai, the old Aurora lead calling me a liar, even after I caught some of his event staff cheating during an event(with slash commands), unfairly destroying other player's ships and property. I think the public opening of singularity server has been a large help in making EVE a level playing field. Everyone has equal rights to limitless equipment on the test server, and can tinker around with new patches and game changes. I also think transparency with the new ISD and event teams has gone a long way to remove favoritism and free giveaways of officer loot. Even though the impact of ISD, GM and developer corruption has been greatly reduced, I feel that CCP still doesn't take this kind of cheating seriously. Eve Online iron-clad naming policy has screwed over countless other people in the past due to its *bitter* fairness, and yet everything is waved for just *one* alliance. Not just any alliance; It's the same alliance that gets their hand caught in the cookie jar, every time. Aurora event scandals. 10/10 complexes with farmable overseers, exploiting aggro timers, bugged trade routes using titan portals, shooting players though starbase shields, crashing nodes down to a science, etc. The list is very, very long. For those that do not understand, this isn't about a simple name change. BoB used an already-existing 'alternate' alliance to fall back into after being disbanded, to immediately reclaim their sovereignty. The downside is they're stuck with using the alt-alliance, and must disband to create a more 'official' one. Using GM intervention, however, they are having their cake and eating it too. This is after the GM's told everyone else the cake was a lie. The widespread corruption is hard to quantify, as many players who went through it have already quit the game in disgust. I think the current player base will mainly cite the t20 scandal as their oldest memory, even though the free BPO's were trash and insignificant compared to t20's knowledge on how to control the lottery itself. I have also quit the game in disgust and no longer play EVE. I use this free account(gifted to me by kieron) to poke around and check out the new expansions every now and then. I thought the t20 scandal and creation of internal affairs would be the last time BoB was given any kind of favoritism by the higher powers. It saddens me that I was wrong. The tl;dr version: The cake is a lie, unless you're BoB. Then you get plenty of cake. "
Originally posted by kattehus Even so, bob seems to be the favorite alliance. There may be more devs in GS, but it would seem the devs in beaver have a hard time accepting failure.
Nah, it is just Goonswarm smacktalk mentality making it to look so.
Some devs might be breaking the rules, not nice but it happens. Still, no matter what, it is a failure of a particular person not the whole team or company(in terms of act itself).
Even so, bob seems to be the favorite alliance. There may be more devs in GS, but it would seem the devs in beaver have a hard time accepting failure.
Nah, it is just Goonswarm smacktalk mentality making it to look so.
Some devs might be breaking the rules, not nice but it happens. Still, no matter what, it is a failure of a particular person not the whole team or company(in terms of act itself).
if it was a singular incident, yes. if it was a repeated incidences, but performed by one person, yes. if there were no internal affairs division, yes. if there were not the CSMs, yes.
it is a failure of the company at this point.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
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some ppl hate goons to much and this hate dont let them see the unfair treatment that bob got
oh here a list of things related to this
Stian Empire was created. Someone noticed the typo, told CCP. CCP told them to disband the alliance (and getting no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name correctly.
black 0ut was created. Someone realized how dumb this was, and so they asked CCP to change it to Black Out. CCP told them no, and that they'd have to disband the alliance (and get no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name the way they wanted to.
Against All Authorities had a slight mishap where someone didn't pay the maintenance build. They lost all their sovereignty, had to recreate the alliance, and had to once again front the 1b isk fee. CCP did not reimburse any of that.
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Does this really matter?
Most people agree that BoB losing its name was lame.
If I were CCP I would of given them a name change right away.
Whether you've been playing Eve a week or 5 years you know who BoB is their apart of Eve history and to lose a name that way they did is a Pure fail on CCPs part imo.
BoB should have been blown out of Null by a massive alliance not some Emo Director using a flaw in the alliance system to do what no other alliance was capable of doing.
This flaw in the system has Bob basically tossed out of delve, do they need to lose their name also?
Anyway i'm having fun reading all the Emo rage quit posts on the Official forums, got my popcorn and soda baby lol.
Also give it a rest none of you are quitting over this so whipe your eyes and grow up.
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Perhaps the Goonies have brought many peoples attitudes towards them on to themselves? As I stated, I've been watching this on going drama for years now. One case in point is the Goonies weekend psych op, directed at CCP(who defused it rather well). The ongoing hysterics while highly entertaining, make one wonder why you are all still in the *game* if you are being so totally "victimized"?
I too, love the emo-quitters.
However, this was not a flaw in the alliance system. Emoragers have been like "OMG THIS SHOULDN"T BE POSSIBLE" and answer is: if you give people access, you give people access. No fault other than your own. For a wow-comparison this is like if you give people access to take and put in anything they want into your guild bank and they steal the whole thing. Now whose fault would that be?
From eve's website: "In EVE you are free to choose your own destiny...conduct espionage and infiltration" I can't find the page where it talks about corporate espionage but it's in there. Meanwhile, people only pay attention because bob is full of crying whiny carebears and overlooked stuff. Nobody said shit when this came around: http://eve.klaki.net/heist/ for example, not that it's even accurate.
/rant
no but is a good opportunity to bash band of developers
is a win win position for "us"
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Posted by GM Grimmi(Official Eve Forum General Discussion)
Posted - 2009.03.24 13:04:00 - [1]
Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and we’d like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic:
In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~
And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR
^ LOL!
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all that crap to remove KenZoku from corporation history
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/KenZoku_(Player_alliance)
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I think BoB got shafted by CCP when the goons stole their alliance precisely because CCP feared a backlash and being accused of playing favourites and the reason they where shafted is because the exact same thing happened to another alliance and when they petitioned it the GMs restored everything. Some ex racketeer members seized control over the Methods of mayhem alliance by kicking out all the corps and then they disbanded the alliance, when the alliance members petitioned it the GMs restored everything to its original state.
So there was a clear precedent for a stolen alliance being restored but CCP must have feared doing the same for BoB because they feared the uproar it would cause.
Back to this renaming business I think unless there is a damn good reason for allowing this name change like the rumours of it resulting from a legal action being true CCP should completely review their renaming policy because now its been done once players in the future should have the same option if the circumstances are similar because CCP have always stuck to the line "we do not change character, corp and alliance names".
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Here is the official GM response.
This is good for EVE and I like it.
This is CCP's style. Throw caution to the wind and do what's best for the game.
Once again a lot of hot air this topic is.
And my favourate quote from the GM Responce:
"This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment. "
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
This is good for EVE and I like it.
This is CCP's style. Throw caution to the wind and do what's best for the game.
repeatedly cheating for the same alliance is good for the game?
wtf?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
The funny part of this that one of the My goon friends pointed out is that Everyone that is arguing over this are in fact enforcing that this should happen. During our entire discussion he pointed out that We weren't refering to kenzoku or whatever but we all refered to them as BoB... Even in the title of this thread and post after post in it you see the same thing: "BoB got thier name back", "Bob's alliance name no longer Kenzoki." Everyone still refers to them as BoB, because thats what they are with the exception of the alliance name. So big whoop that they got the name that everyone still refers to them by.
BoB will always be BoB whether Goons like it or not.
BoB is apart of EvE history I'm not surprised to see their name back.
They could be named pink fuzzy bunny humpers and people will still refer to them as BoB.
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BoB will always be BoB whether Goons like it or not.
BoB is apart of EvE history I'm not surprised to see their name back.
They could be named pink fuzzy bunny humpers and people will still refer to them as BoB.
You lie Sir.
Bob is referred in game by Kenny or Beavers(now) by its enemy's.
Get your act together and post when you know what you are talking about please.
the point shouldn't be the name itself.
it should be that ccp is doing for this alliance, something they have refused to do for every alliance that has before requested it.
kenzoku was in existence for some time and has sov 3 or 4. it was a pre-existing alliance, pre to the disbanding of bob? so instead of having to build up sov in a newly created alliance with the name "band of brothers reloaded" (which i believe has too many characters to be a legal name, cheating again there); they are merely allowed to retain sov, in an alliance that existed prior to bob's dissolution, and change the name.
it's not that they're called bob, or trinity, or barbie...
name too long, no one else gets a name that's got more than 24 characters, do they?
allowed to retain sov, while everyone else who wanted a new name had to reform as a new alliance
from what i've heard, this alliance did exist before bob was disbanded, so it's not like they rushed and created it on the spur of the moment... they ran to it so that they'd get sov instantly, instead of having to start at 0 and work to 1?
the actual name of the alliance be damned... that is NOT the cheating (other than it's too long to be a legal name, but the 'bob' part of it isn't the cheating)...
name one other alliance, that wasn't named something like "shit britches" or another profane/offensive-laden name, who had their name changed without having to disband and lose sov.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
A very nice post from eve-o forums:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494&page=18
"CCP has a long history of corruption and favoritism since day 1, even before BoB existed. It started with the 'Old Boys Club' of m0o, Evolution and RKK back during Castor years
Internal QA knowledge of PvP exploits. Knowledge of market shifting patch changes before public release. Massive insider knowledge of the T2 BPO lottery and Aurora events flowed freely between these corporations.
BoB crashing the nodes to win fleet battles wasn't just from their UK location. They exploited a flaw in how clients logged into the Tranquility server. It involved having a second game client open and filled, waiting on standby to forcibly disconnect your current client from the server. There were other methods involved, but it's an example how BoB had a *deep* understanding of eve's server mechanics and node balancing, as with other parts of the game.
I used to work in ISD as a Bug Hunter, so I witnessed some of this corruption first-hand. The chaos server(original test server, before singularity existed) was a breeding ground for exploitation and insider knowledge. While I worked on squashing bugs, I would see other ISD members scouting out moons and enemy stations from the latest game backup. Some people also had '/spawn' privileges, and used it to gather insider knowledge on new equipment, game mechanics, and even exploits. I tried to report these problems myself, but they got swept under the rug by certain GMs and QA members. I remember Nebulai, the old Aurora lead calling me a liar, even after I caught some of his event staff cheating during an event(with slash commands), unfairly destroying other player's ships and property.
I think the public opening of singularity server has been a large help in making EVE a level playing field. Everyone has equal rights to limitless equipment on the test server, and can tinker around with new patches and game changes. I also think transparency with the new ISD and event teams has gone a long way to remove favoritism and free giveaways of officer loot.
Even though the impact of ISD, GM and developer corruption has been greatly reduced, I feel that CCP still doesn't take this kind of cheating seriously. Eve Online iron-clad naming policy has screwed over countless other people in the past due to its *bitter* fairness, and yet everything is waved for just *one* alliance. Not just any alliance; It's the same alliance that gets their hand caught in the cookie jar, every time. Aurora event scandals. 10/10 complexes with farmable overseers, exploiting aggro timers, bugged trade routes using titan portals, shooting players though starbase shields, crashing nodes down to a science, etc. The list is very, very long.
For those that do not understand, this isn't about a simple name change. BoB used an already-existing 'alternate' alliance to fall back into after being disbanded, to immediately reclaim their sovereignty. The downside is they're stuck with using the alt-alliance, and must disband to create a more 'official' one. Using GM intervention, however, they are having their cake and eating it too. This is after the GM's told everyone else the cake was a lie.
The widespread corruption is hard to quantify, as many players who went through it have already quit the game in disgust. I think the current player base will mainly cite the t20 scandal as their oldest memory, even though the free BPO's were trash and insignificant compared to t20's knowledge on how to control the lottery itself.
I have also quit the game in disgust and no longer play EVE. I use this free account(gifted to me by kieron) to poke around and check out the new expansions every now and then. I thought the t20 scandal and creation of internal affairs would be the last time BoB was given any kind of favoritism by the higher powers. It saddens me that I was wrong.
The tl;dr version: The cake is a lie, unless you're BoB. Then you get plenty of cake. "
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As already stated in Internal Affairs Dev blog, there are more devs playing in Goonswarm then in any other alliance.
Even so, bob seems to be the favorite alliance. There may be more devs in GS, but it would seem the devs in beaver have a hard time accepting failure.
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Nah, it is just Goonswarm smacktalk mentality making it to look so.
Some devs might be breaking the rules, not nice but it happens. Still, no matter what, it is a failure of a particular person not the whole team or company(in terms of act itself).
Nah, it is just Goonswarm smacktalk mentality making it to look so.
Some devs might be breaking the rules, not nice but it happens. Still, no matter what, it is a failure of a particular person not the whole team or company(in terms of act itself).
if it was a singular incident, yes. if it was a repeated incidences, but performed by one person, yes. if there were no internal affairs division, yes. if there were not the CSMs, yes.
it is a failure of the company at this point.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?