Why do you think the people would rather have the monks?
And yes it is their choice. Theirs. Not yours.
Tibetans arern't going into China, any more than Texans are going into the U.S.A.
And yes there are terrorist Tibetans who are making trouble for China and telling people what to do. Violent ones.
Which is no more than you yourself have been proposing everyone should do "in the name of humanity".
Why would you want to create an enviroment where China cut off aid to Tibet.
Your idea of humanity is provoking famine and the removal of free health care to millions?
Sorry but you are twisted and confused. All your morals are contradictory. Right when someone you like applies them, evil when the Chinese government does.
Advocating famines and death in the name of humanity isn't right. You don't save people by encouraging them to die en masse. Your approach to the subject is not very coherant.
Why do you think the people would rather have the monks? And yes it is their choice. Theirs. Not yours. Yes it is their choice, and it is their choice To protest, as they are. Tibetans arern't going into China, any more than Texans are going into the U.S.A That is correct, we are free to move through out our country and live where we please, however if federal military force was ever used against their own people, you can be assurred Texas would fight back, and not just "civilians" our state government would as well. And yes there are terrorist Tibetans who are making trouble for China and telling people what to do. Violent ones. Which is no more than you yourself have been proposing everyone should do "in the name of humanity".
Why would you want to create an enviroment where China cut off aid to Tibet. Your idea of humanity is provoking famine and the removal of free health care?
Sorry but you are twisted and confused. All your morals are contradictory. right when someone you like applies them, evil when the Chinese government does. Advocating famines and death in the name of humanity isn't right. You some need time to think it through.
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves.
Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want.
Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
Why do you think the people would rather have the monks? And yes it is their choice. Theirs. Not yours. Yes it is their choice, and it is their choice To protest, as they are. Tibetans arern't going into China, any more than Texans are going into the U.S.A That is correct, we are free to move through out our country and live where we please, however if federal military force was ever used against their own people, you can be assurred Texas would fight back, and not just "civilians" our state government would as well. And yes there are terrorist Tibetans who are making trouble for China and telling people what to do. Violent ones. Which is no more than you yourself have been proposing everyone should do "in the name of humanity".
Why would you want to create an enviroment where China cut off aid to Tibet. Your idea of humanity is provoking famine and the removal of free health care?
Sorry but you are twisted and confused. All your morals are contradictory. right when someone you like applies them, evil when the Chinese government does. Advocating famines and death in the name of humanity isn't right. You some need time to think it through.
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves.
Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want.
Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves. Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want. Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
I think you may have misunderstood my stance on Iraq. I was against EVER going in in the first place even though Saddam threatened our leader.
Yes, saddams threats alone would have been enough to go in, but I was against going in there because I knew if we did we could never leave entirely. It was opening pandoras box. Once that box was opened however we have a new obligagtion. We killed the countries defenses, we must now defend it. You cannot expect a country to entirely rebuild their defenses in 10 years .. no that isn;t going to happen, they will be weak for some time to come.
I was never under the illusion that this was to free people, and I was against going in in the first place. We did go in we can;t take that back now, what has been done, has been done. We do, however have extended obligations since we did.
There is no eraser that brings back their defenses, I understand these things. I have never once thought for a second our troops went in there to free anyone, no they went in because saddam made threats against our leader. That is a different issue all together. They used the other as a BS reason, I never believed " iraqi freedom" for a second.
I would love nothing more for us to leave there and know that they country can defend itself without our help, but I know that simply is not the case at this time, it takes time and more than a few years to rebuild the kind of defense the country needs. The only thing keeping people out of Iraq before was the fear of saddam.. now we are the only thing keeping them out. Iran would gladly take over Iraq I am sure they would love to expand their borders .
The destruction of the dollar is, for me, one of the most regrettable things to have to witness.
China, like myself, anticipates the destruction of the US currency within a few years and something, whether a global currency or something else, to replace it. It is not inconceivable that the Federal Reserve will be abolished and replaced with an International Reserve Currency. “Chinese are quite concerned that the large U.S. government deficits will eventually lead to inflation, which will erode the purchasing power of the dollar-denominated financial assets which they hold,” Mr. Lardy said. “It is a legitimate concern.”
It's funny, the conspiracy theoriest have been saying this would happen. Does this mean it will? Maybe, maybe not. However it's still main stream. Who should be wearing the tin foil hats now???
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves. Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want. Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
I think you may have misunderstood my stance on Iraq. I was against EVER going in in the first place even though Saddam threatened our leader.
Yes, saddams threats alone would have been enough to go in, but I was against going in there because I knew if we did we could never leave entirely. It was opening pandoras box. Once that box was opened however we have a new obligagtion. We killed the countries defenses, we must now defend it. You cannot expect a country to entirely rebuild their defenses in 10 years .. no that isn;t going to happen, they will be weak for some time to come.
I was never under the illusion that this was to free people, and I was against going in in the first place. We did go in we can;t take that back now, what has been done, has been done. We do, however have extended obligations since we did.
There is no eraser that brings back their defenses, I understand these things. I have never once thought for a second our troops went in there to free anyone, no they went in because saddam made threats against our leader. That is a different issue all together. They used the other as a BS reason, I never believed " iraqi freedom" for a second.
I would love nothing more for us to leave there and know that they country can defend itself without our help, but I know that simply is not the case at this time, it takes time and more than a few years to rebuild the kind of defense the country needs. The only thing keeping people out of Iraq before was the fear of saddam.. now we are the only thing keeping them out. Iran would gladly take over Iraq I am sure they would love to expand their borders .
I think you have your heart in the right place but but your mind has wandered off elsewhere. ->i cba explanding atm maybe tomorrow im shattered
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
It will forever, for some, be a mystery how a loosely united and mostly poor thirteen colonies took-on and defeated the world's most powerful, largest, and expansive empire in the history of civilization. An armed uprising against the most dominant military power in the world by a group of ragtag militia, fighting crouched Indian-style behind rocks and trees as the British fought in disciplined formations and rows. Sometimes a curious mystery in life turns out to really be a simple but a remarkable truth. Truth. "we whole these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." People have underestimated the spirit of this nation since, literally, its very beginning.
Truth united the colonies. The American Revolution (1775-1783) was the common cause of independence. As it is explained in the Declaration of Independence, "the causes which impel [the Colonies] to the separation."
Neither name, lineage, wealth, nor title (see Art. I Sec. 9 Clause 8 of the CONST., "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States") will matter in the fighting for, or the founding of, a great nation. A nation not built on titles but on Truth:
Equality,
Life,
Liberty, and
the Pursuit of Happiness.
The status hierarchy was, effectively, dismantled. Nobility was not just a title; it was a system of superiority and inferiority. The American crusade against the system of social prestige and privilege based on nobility in the name of Liberty and Equality is as inspiring today as it must have seemed radical then.
This is the kind of character we need again in this country:
Lafayette, commanding the artillery barrage of Yorktown, asked Thomas Nelson if he had a target to recommend.
Nelson pointed to his own home, knowing it would probably be used as a headquarters by Cornwallis,
"Fire upon it, my dear marquis, and never spare a particle of my property so long as it afford a comfort or a shelter to the enemies of my country."
It will forever, for some, be a mystery how a loosely united and mostly poor thirteen colonies took-on and defeated the world's most powerful, largest, and expansive empire in the history of civilization. An armed uprising against the most dominant military power in the world by a group of ragtag militia, fighting crouched Indian-style behind rocks and trees as the British fought in disciplined formations and rows. Sometimes a curious mystery in life turns out to really be a simple but a remarkable truth. Truth. "we whole these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." People have underestimated the spirit of this nation since, literally, its very beginning.
Truth united the colonies. The American Revolution (1775-1783) was the common cause of independence. As it is explained in the Declaration of Independence, "the causes which impel [the Colonies] to the separation."
Neither name, lineage, wealth, nor title (see Art. I Sec. 9 Clause 8 of the CONST., "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States") will matter in the fighting for, or the founding of, a great nation. A nation not built on titles but on Truth:
Equality, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The status hierarchy was, effectively, dismantled. Nobility was not just a title; it was a system of superiority and inferiority. The American crusade against the system of social prestige and privilege based on nobility in the name of Liberty and Equality is as inspiring today as it must have seemed radical then.
This is the kind of character we need again in this country: Lafayette, commanding the artillery barrage of Yorktown, asked Thomas Nelson if he had a target to recommend.
Nelson pointed to his own home, knowing it would probably be used as a headquarters by Cornwallis,
"Fire upon it, my dear marquis, and never spare a particle of my property so long as it afford a comfort or a shelter to the enemies of my country."
Please say you are not being serious here....truth? It was hardly a mystery as to how we defeated the British. Their formations worked against them, our guerilla tactics worked to our advantage, there was a huge gulf that separated the two countries, creating supply issues for the British, and we had the defensive advantage. It''s not like our generals at the time were dumb either. So, hopefully you were posting this in sarcasm.
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
You are right that their formations did work against them. Ultimately, the question is, who deserves credit for defeating the British redcoats? The Continentals, overcoming great odds? Luck? Terrtain? Timing? How about the trouble that was stiring in the Carribean? Edit: Oh, to specifically answer your question, no, Sir, I am not sarcastic; it is an open-question.
George Washington, incredible patience and cunning, understanding that you fight wars to achieve VICTORY, not merely to win battles (aside, though important: are we trying to achieve "victory" in Iraq or elsewhere, or is it about occupation, nation-building, and other reasons not related to victory?). He built the army. He developed it. And he inspired it. And, of course, he commanded it, and he won few battles but achieved victory.
Henry Knox was a bookseller who was very well read on the military and convince Washington to move the artillery captured at Fort Ticonderoga through WINTER SNOWS (This is artillery) to Bostom where it forced the British to evacuate.
How about Thomas Paine, though? A FAILED corset maker; a FAILED teacher; and a FAILED -some will gasp- tax collector who sailed to America to write a 77-page pamphlet, Common Sense, which was the bestseller until Uncle Tom's Cabin. Seriously, you could say that Paine is what turned public sentiment to favor revolution.
"In America, the LAW IS KING." Common Sense, 1776.
The point is that the guiding truths of Equality, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is something that must united, inspire, and motivate us for the common cause. It did so for independence, and I believe it can for any other cause.
One of the great pleasures of posting here and engaging in discussions with each of you is that on occasion I really do reflect deeply on some issues, and I explore different argument. The transition period we are in is a significant of one, I believe, as the Great Depression, 60s, and the Age of Reagan ("Triumph of Reaganism," reformed tax cut, deficit spending, strong defense, inter alia).
So I grabbed my copy Thomas Paine's Common Sense, and I then grabbed my copy of Edumnd Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France. And it occurred to me how two revolutions could have such starkly different outcomes. Edmund Burke's Reflections is one of the very few must reads on my list. Anyway, it is really a counter-revolutionary manifesto. Burke was able to foresee the crises in France from Revolution. Even more interesting, is that Burke supported the independence of the colonies. Burke was a counter-revolutionary, but he was not an imperialist. He was concerned with not only British imperialism in the colonies but also Ireland, India, and elsewhere. As an aside, Burke actually earned unpopularity by opposing the placement of homosexuals in the stocks.
Burke: "The Liberty I mean is social freedom. It is that state of things in which Liberty is secured by the equality of no one Man and no body of Men and no Number of men can find Means to trespass on the Liberty of any Person or any description of Persons in the Society. . . . The establishmentof a real practical Liberty with a Government powerful to Protect, impotent to invade it."
Burke is the anti-thesis of Marx. Both Marx and Burke were interested in the French Revolution, but for two different reasons. Marx wanted to understand the principles at work in France to hasten a new revolution, while Burke wanted to understand the principles at work to stop them. Communist principles would be as fully detestable to Burke as Jacobin principles.
Speaking of Thomas Paine, he was actually imprisoned by the Jacobins!
Does anyone have a theory about why the French and American Revolutions were different?
Is it something I said? How come no one has a comment, opinion, or theory about anything discussed?
I have been enjoying reading Paine's works, and it is nice to have Burke's Reflections right there. Paine's Rights of Man was written as a response to Burke's Reflections to justify the revolution in France. Edit: interestingly, Paine's Rights of Man outsold Burke's Reflections. Everyone should read Burke's Reflections. Here is a link: www.constitution.org/eb/rev_fran.htm
The greatest weapon against the American people are the people themselves; the people who vote to take-away their own Constitutional rights because they do not understand those rights. Whether it is a priest, or intellectual, persuading them to vote against their own best interests.
Originally posted by devilisciousyes , considering they were almost wiped to extintcion, when the English came to America. there are very few left. They live on a protected reservation, and claim to have been in contact with the other " keepers" from the other tribes. They even spoke before the UN ... lol
right.......so it was the evil English who killed all the Native Americans......Because of course there were absolutely NO other European settlers. And of course none of the Native American tribes FOUGHT for the British in the War of Independance.......And of course there hasn't been A LOT MORE TIME without the English in the USA than WITH the English?
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Originally posted by devilisciousyes , considering they were almost wiped to extintcion, when the English came to America. there are very few left. They live on a protected reservation, and claim to have been in contact with the other " keepers" from the other tribes. They even spoke before the UN ... lol
right.......so it was the evil English who killed all the Native Americans......Because of course there were absolutely NO other European settlers. And of course none of the Native American tribes FOUGHT for the British in the War of Independance.......And of course there hasn't been A LOT MORE TIME without the English in the USA than WITH the English?
LOl the AMerican tribes That is funny, I have never heard the English colonies called tribes before .. lol the Colonists were English, the revolutionary war was a "civil war" English settlers against "English rulers."
The Indians joined with the French to fight the English. Ever heard of the French Indian war? Do you think that the french were at war with the indians? lmao
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
I never said that China and the middle east have anything to do with each other .. the comment about the middle east was not meant for you and the person I was speaking to understood what I meant by that. Yes that was a bad structure. LOL Oh my the thought of china and the middle east being together right now .. that would go OVer real well. LOL You just think we have chaos now .. could you imagine China trying to impose anything on the middle east? OH my. lol
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
It is going to happen sooner than you think ... You will very much be here to deal with this. This isn;t as easy as the depression... We made our own food, our people were allowed to work even for free if they had to back then. Things have changed. Our industry is gone, and there are more packing up everyday. The US used to be able to survive without importing anything... The witchhunts I have witnessed over the years against our businesses have crippled us. Who is next? oil companies? banks? doctors? who is going to be left to blame when they all leave us? That is where we are headed.. fast.
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
It is going to happen sooner than you think ... You will very much be here to deal with this. This isn;t as easy as the depression... We made our own food, our people were allowed to work even for free if they had to back then. Things have changed. Our industry is gone, and there are more packing up everyday. The US used to be able to survive without importing anything... The witchhunts I have witnessed over the years against our businesses have crippled us. Who is next? oil companies? banks? doctors? who is going to be left to blame when they all leave us? That is where we are headed.. fast.
I am going to be 58 this year and when I retire, there is only me. My kids are 16 and 18, soon they will be in college then the work force. You are so right about our industries. This will affect my kids and the younger generation more than us old farts.
It really hurts me inside every day, knowing what my kids and you younger people will do in the future. We have to get out of this mindset that the goverment will take care of everything. We need to get back to conservatism and take personal responsibility.
I say, let the big companies fail. Stop the bail-out money to help these people. Stop the spending and get away from big goverment and get back to "WE THE PEOPLE"
Originally posted by tayschrennright.......so it was the evil English who killed all the Native Americans......Because of course there were absolutely NO other European settlers. And of course none of the Native American tribes FOUGHT for the British in the War of Independance.......And of course there hasn't been A LOT MORE TIME without the English in the USA than WITH the English?
LOl the AMerican tribes That is funny, I have never heard the English colonies called tribes before .. lol the Colonists were English, the revolutionary war was a "civil war" English settlers against "English rulers."
The Indians joined with the French to fight the English. Ever heard of the French Indian war? Do you think that the french were at war with the indians? lmao
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
I never said that China and the middle east have anything to do with each other .. the comment about the middle east was not meant for you and the person I was speaking to understood what I meant by that. Yes that was a bad structure. LOL Oh my the thought of china and the middle east being together right now .. that would go OVer real well. LOL You just think we have chaos now .. could you imagine China trying to impose anything on the middle east? OH my. lol
Ok......Again.......WHERE do I say AMERICAN TRIBES? Did you even READ what I wrote? Do I need to quote myself now? Obviously I do.
" And of course none of the Native American tribes"
where in that do you turn it into me calling the American Colonies "tribes" I even say NATIVE American.
Strangely enough I can read and do know what the American Revolution was about. I even know (and agree to some extent) in the ideals that were trying to be promoted. The problem is the ideals were soon lost under tyranny. No difference to the idea of Communism. As an idea it's good. Put it in the hands of people and it becomes corrupt.
you also said about Iraq being bad. Again I agree. We should never have gone there and shouldn't be there now. A lot of other places in the world could do with some outside military intervention. But not Iraq. He was no threat. God certainy DIDN'T tell Bush to attack them like he said.
Also the idea of "America" was already in place by the time the American Revolution happened. The revolutionists called themselves Americans. The ideas for the state were already starting to be implemented. It had gone beyond being just a civil war. Beyond being just the Native English v the Upstart Colonialists.
Oh and the NATIVE American (notice the word NATIVE?) dID help the British in the war . The same way some helped the Colonialists in the war.
Got to go my weed has turned up
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
You're wrong.
Geithner 'open' to China proposal
Geithner, at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the U.S. is "open" to a headline-grabbing proposal by the governor of the China's central bank, which was widely reported as being a call for a new global currency to replace the dollar, but which Geithner described as more modest and "evolutionary."
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat. I swear, some people worry too much.
You're wrong.
Geithner 'open' to China proposal
Geithner, at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the U.S. is "open" to a headline-grabbing proposal by the governor of the China's central bank, which was widely reported as being a call for a new global currency to replace the dollar, but which Geithner described as more modest and "evolutionary."
US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner shocked global markets by revealing that Washington is "quite open" to Chinese proposals for the gradual development of a global reserve currency run by the International Monetary Fund.
US backing for world currency stuns markets US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner shocked global markets by revealing that Washington is "quite open" to Chinese proposals for the gradual development of a global reserve currency run by the International Monetary Fund.
US backing for world currency stuns markets US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner shocked global markets by revealing that Washington is "quite open" to Chinese proposals for the gradual development of a global reserve currency run by the International Monetary Fund.
This is Geithner in top form,he vary much wants to objurgate from the obvious that he is Dip Shit.he "since" has back tracked from those blasphemous words.dollar is KING and nothing can change that for now.He is taking the brunt of anger so he looking for a way out.
China and Russia are just pilling on much like the kid game king of the hill,everyone want to knock the king off,facts:China is experiencing protest every day now.If they cant sell their goods then they are in deep trouble,imagine 100 million peasants flooding the city's looking for work.
In this climate that the world is in now, they aren't going to look a Communism as a way out.If American chose to stop buying the communist crap they fall and fall hard.Were not far from that now with money and attitudes.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
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Why do you think the people would rather have the monks?
And yes it is their choice. Theirs. Not yours.
Tibetans arern't going into China, any more than Texans are going into the U.S.A.
And yes there are terrorist Tibetans who are making trouble for China and telling people what to do. Violent ones.
Which is no more than you yourself have been proposing everyone should do "in the name of humanity".
Why would you want to create an enviroment where China cut off aid to Tibet.
Your idea of humanity is provoking famine and the removal of free health care to millions?
Sorry but you are twisted and confused. All your morals are contradictory. Right when someone you like applies them, evil when the Chinese government does.
Advocating famines and death in the name of humanity isn't right. You don't save people by encouraging them to die en masse. Your approach to the subject is not very coherant.
You need some time to think it all through.
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves.
Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want.
Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
China refuses to allow outside help, we could provide humanitarian efforts. You are the one that is twisted and confused. My morals are not contradictory, china should stop tormenting these people. These people have survived without all of these things for this long who are you to tell them they are no longer able to ? who is anyone to tell them how they should live, the choice should be theirs, not the government , not other countries, not everyone else.. the native people there should be able to make this decision for themselves.
Humanitarian aid is not forced .. no that is anything but humanitarian.. the people should be able to decide what help they need or want.
Our AMish here in the US live without all the outside comforts and we do not attempt to go into their communities and tell them how to live and that they must accept our help. LOL
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
I think you may have misunderstood my stance on Iraq. I was against EVER going in in the first place even though Saddam threatened our leader.
Yes, saddams threats alone would have been enough to go in, but I was against going in there because I knew if we did we could never leave entirely. It was opening pandoras box. Once that box was opened however we have a new obligagtion. We killed the countries defenses, we must now defend it. You cannot expect a country to entirely rebuild their defenses in 10 years .. no that isn;t going to happen, they will be weak for some time to come.
I was never under the illusion that this was to free people, and I was against going in in the first place. We did go in we can;t take that back now, what has been done, has been done. We do, however have extended obligations since we did.
There is no eraser that brings back their defenses, I understand these things. I have never once thought for a second our troops went in there to free anyone, no they went in because saddam made threats against our leader. That is a different issue all together. They used the other as a BS reason, I never believed " iraqi freedom" for a second.
I would love nothing more for us to leave there and know that they country can defend itself without our help, but I know that simply is not the case at this time, it takes time and more than a few years to rebuild the kind of defense the country needs. The only thing keeping people out of Iraq before was the fear of saddam.. now we are the only thing keeping them out. Iran would gladly take over Iraq I am sure they would love to expand their borders .
It's funny, the conspiracy theoriest have been saying this would happen. Does this mean it will? Maybe, maybe not. However it's still main stream. Who should be wearing the tin foil hats now???
Sorry but i find this contradicting to some of your previous posts on other topics. America is in Iraq, but the people want to get rid of them....but i thought they have the right to decide what help they need or want....hmmmm.
I think you may have misunderstood my stance on Iraq. I was against EVER going in in the first place even though Saddam threatened our leader.
Yes, saddams threats alone would have been enough to go in, but I was against going in there because I knew if we did we could never leave entirely. It was opening pandoras box. Once that box was opened however we have a new obligagtion. We killed the countries defenses, we must now defend it. You cannot expect a country to entirely rebuild their defenses in 10 years .. no that isn;t going to happen, they will be weak for some time to come.
I was never under the illusion that this was to free people, and I was against going in in the first place. We did go in we can;t take that back now, what has been done, has been done. We do, however have extended obligations since we did.
There is no eraser that brings back their defenses, I understand these things. I have never once thought for a second our troops went in there to free anyone, no they went in because saddam made threats against our leader. That is a different issue all together. They used the other as a BS reason, I never believed " iraqi freedom" for a second.
I would love nothing more for us to leave there and know that they country can defend itself without our help, but I know that simply is not the case at this time, it takes time and more than a few years to rebuild the kind of defense the country needs. The only thing keeping people out of Iraq before was the fear of saddam.. now we are the only thing keeping them out. Iran would gladly take over Iraq I am sure they would love to expand their borders .
I think you have your heart in the right place but but your mind has wandered off elsewhere. ->i cba explanding atm maybe tomorrow im shattered
"If they can make Penicillin out of mouldy bread, they can sure make something out of you," - Muhammed Ali
It will forever, for some, be a mystery how a loosely united and mostly poor thirteen colonies took-on and defeated the world's most powerful, largest, and expansive empire in the history of civilization. An armed uprising against the most dominant military power in the world by a group of ragtag militia, fighting crouched Indian-style behind rocks and trees as the British fought in disciplined formations and rows. Sometimes a curious mystery in life turns out to really be a simple but a remarkable truth. Truth. "we whole these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." People have underestimated the spirit of this nation since, literally, its very beginning.
Truth united the colonies. The American Revolution (1775-1783) was the common cause of independence. As it is explained in the Declaration of Independence, "the causes which impel [the Colonies] to the separation."
Neither name, lineage, wealth, nor title (see Art. I Sec. 9 Clause 8 of the CONST., "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States") will matter in the fighting for, or the founding of, a great nation. A nation not built on titles but on Truth:
The status hierarchy was, effectively, dismantled. Nobility was not just a title; it was a system of superiority and inferiority. The American crusade against the system of social prestige and privilege based on nobility in the name of Liberty and Equality is as inspiring today as it must have seemed radical then.
This is the kind of character we need again in this country:
Lafayette, commanding the artillery barrage of Yorktown, asked Thomas Nelson if he had a target to recommend.
Nelson pointed to his own home, knowing it would probably be used as a headquarters by Cornwallis,
"Fire upon it, my dear marquis, and never spare a particle of my property so long as it afford a comfort or a shelter to the enemies of my country."
Please say you are not being serious here....truth? It was hardly a mystery as to how we defeated the British. Their formations worked against them, our guerilla tactics worked to our advantage, there was a huge gulf that separated the two countries, creating supply issues for the British, and we had the defensive advantage. It''s not like our generals at the time were dumb either. So, hopefully you were posting this in sarcasm.
My blog is a continuing story of what MMO's should be like.
You are right that their formations did work against them. Ultimately, the question is, who deserves credit for defeating the British redcoats? The Continentals, overcoming great odds? Luck? Terrtain? Timing? How about the trouble that was stiring in the Carribean? Edit: Oh, to specifically answer your question, no, Sir, I am not sarcastic; it is an open-question.
George Washington, incredible patience and cunning, understanding that you fight wars to achieve VICTORY, not merely to win battles (aside, though important: are we trying to achieve "victory" in Iraq or elsewhere, or is it about occupation, nation-building, and other reasons not related to victory?). He built the army. He developed it. And he inspired it. And, of course, he commanded it, and he won few battles but achieved victory.
Henry Knox was a bookseller who was very well read on the military and convince Washington to move the artillery captured at Fort Ticonderoga through WINTER SNOWS (This is artillery) to Bostom where it forced the British to evacuate.
How about Thomas Paine, though? A FAILED corset maker; a FAILED teacher; and a FAILED -some will gasp- tax collector who sailed to America to write a 77-page pamphlet, Common Sense, which was the bestseller until Uncle Tom's Cabin. Seriously, you could say that Paine is what turned public sentiment to favor revolution.
"In America, the LAW IS KING." Common Sense, 1776.
The point is that the guiding truths of Equality, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness is something that must united, inspire, and motivate us for the common cause. It did so for independence, and I believe it can for any other cause.
One of the great pleasures of posting here and engaging in discussions with each of you is that on occasion I really do reflect deeply on some issues, and I explore different argument. The transition period we are in is a significant of one, I believe, as the Great Depression, 60s, and the Age of Reagan ("Triumph of Reaganism," reformed tax cut, deficit spending, strong defense, inter alia).
So I grabbed my copy Thomas Paine's Common Sense, and I then grabbed my copy of Edumnd Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France. And it occurred to me how two revolutions could have such starkly different outcomes. Edmund Burke's Reflections is one of the very few must reads on my list. Anyway, it is really a counter-revolutionary manifesto. Burke was able to foresee the crises in France from Revolution. Even more interesting, is that Burke supported the independence of the colonies. Burke was a counter-revolutionary, but he was not an imperialist. He was concerned with not only British imperialism in the colonies but also Ireland, India, and elsewhere. As an aside, Burke actually earned unpopularity by opposing the placement of homosexuals in the stocks.
Burke: "The Liberty I mean is social freedom. It is that state of things in which Liberty is secured by the equality of no one Man and no body of Men and no Number of men can find Means to trespass on the Liberty of any Person or any description of Persons in the Society. . . . The establishmentof a real practical Liberty with a Government powerful to Protect, impotent to invade it."
Burke is the anti-thesis of Marx. Both Marx and Burke were interested in the French Revolution, but for two different reasons. Marx wanted to understand the principles at work in France to hasten a new revolution, while Burke wanted to understand the principles at work to stop them. Communist principles would be as fully detestable to Burke as Jacobin principles.
Speaking of Thomas Paine, he was actually imprisoned by the Jacobins!
Does anyone have a theory about why the French and American Revolutions were different?
Is it something I said? How come no one has a comment, opinion, or theory about anything discussed?
I have been enjoying reading Paine's works, and it is nice to have Burke's Reflections right there. Paine's Rights of Man was written as a response to Burke's Reflections to justify the revolution in France. Edit: interestingly, Paine's Rights of Man outsold Burke's Reflections. Everyone should read Burke's Reflections. Here is a link: www.constitution.org/eb/rev_fran.htm
The greatest weapon against the American people are the people themselves; the people who vote to take-away their own Constitutional rights because they do not understand those rights. Whether it is a priest, or intellectual, persuading them to vote against their own best interests.
right.......so it was the evil English who killed all the Native Americans......Because of course there were absolutely NO other European settlers. And of course none of the Native American tribes FOUGHT for the British in the War of Independance.......And of course there hasn't been A LOT MORE TIME without the English in the USA than WITH the English?
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
right.......so it was the evil English who killed all the Native Americans......Because of course there were absolutely NO other European settlers. And of course none of the Native American tribes FOUGHT for the British in the War of Independance.......And of course there hasn't been A LOT MORE TIME without the English in the USA than WITH the English?
LOl the AMerican tribes That is funny, I have never heard the English colonies called tribes before .. lol the Colonists were English, the revolutionary war was a "civil war" English settlers against "English rulers."
The Indians joined with the French to fight the English. Ever heard of the French Indian war? Do you think that the french were at war with the indians? lmao
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
I never said that China and the middle east have anything to do with each other .. the comment about the middle east was not meant for you and the person I was speaking to understood what I meant by that. Yes that was a bad structure. LOL Oh my the thought of china and the middle east being together right now .. that would go OVer real well. LOL You just think we have chaos now .. could you imagine China trying to impose anything on the middle east? OH my. lol
The dollar is fine. There is nothing to worry about. Obama will just make more. Come on, no sweat.
I swear, some people worry too much.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
It is going to happen sooner than you think ... You will very much be here to deal with this. This isn;t as easy as the depression... We made our own food, our people were allowed to work even for free if they had to back then. Things have changed. Our industry is gone, and there are more packing up everyday. The US used to be able to survive without importing anything... The witchhunts I have witnessed over the years against our businesses have crippled us. Who is next? oil companies? banks? doctors? who is going to be left to blame when they all leave us? That is where we are headed.. fast.
LOL! Yea too big to fail right? We are far from being the longest lived strongest empire in history .. we are just a baby in comparison. No one ever thinks it can happen until it does. The value of our dollar is directly affected by our debt. get ready for impact.
Everytime Obama makes more dollars it makes your dollars worth less!!
Imagine all the people who laughed when they were told rome was in trouble ...
I am being facetious. I know what kind of trouble we are in. I feel bad for the next generation. My kids will have to live with this mess, not me. I will be dead and gone.
Of course, I will be in heaven and my soul will live happily everafter, but this would be discussed in another thread...LOL
It is going to happen sooner than you think ... You will very much be here to deal with this. This isn;t as easy as the depression... We made our own food, our people were allowed to work even for free if they had to back then. Things have changed. Our industry is gone, and there are more packing up everyday. The US used to be able to survive without importing anything... The witchhunts I have witnessed over the years against our businesses have crippled us. Who is next? oil companies? banks? doctors? who is going to be left to blame when they all leave us? That is where we are headed.. fast.
I am going to be 58 this year and when I retire, there is only me. My kids are 16 and 18, soon they will be in college then the work force. You are so right about our industries. This will affect my kids and the younger generation more than us old farts.
It really hurts me inside every day, knowing what my kids and you younger people will do in the future. We have to get out of this mindset that the goverment will take care of everything. We need to get back to conservatism and take personal responsibility.
I say, let the big companies fail. Stop the bail-out money to help these people. Stop the spending and get away from big goverment and get back to "WE THE PEOPLE"
LOl the AMerican tribes That is funny, I have never heard the English colonies called tribes before .. lol the Colonists were English, the revolutionary war was a "civil war" English settlers against "English rulers."
The Indians joined with the French to fight the English. Ever heard of the French Indian war? Do you think that the french were at war with the indians? lmao
Oh and this......"Oh yes, CHina is so well known for the treatment of thier people. The 100 monks in tibet that were just arrested can attest for this I guess? Can you imagine a world ruled by China? LOL... one thing is certain , no matter how you wish it the world will not be ruled by the Middle East. The world would be destroyed in the process."
Where do you get the idea that CHINA and the MIDDLE EAST are the same or have any connection? Or can I just put it down to bad structure and seperation of topics/places?
I never said that China and the middle east have anything to do with each other .. the comment about the middle east was not meant for you and the person I was speaking to understood what I meant by that. Yes that was a bad structure. LOL Oh my the thought of china and the middle east being together right now .. that would go OVer real well. LOL You just think we have chaos now .. could you imagine China trying to impose anything on the middle east? OH my. lol
Ok......Again.......WHERE do I say AMERICAN TRIBES? Did you even READ what I wrote? Do I need to quote myself now? Obviously I do.
" And of course none of the Native American tribes"
where in that do you turn it into me calling the American Colonies "tribes" I even say NATIVE American.
Strangely enough I can read and do know what the American Revolution was about. I even know (and agree to some extent) in the ideals that were trying to be promoted. The problem is the ideals were soon lost under tyranny. No difference to the idea of Communism. As an idea it's good. Put it in the hands of people and it becomes corrupt.
you also said about Iraq being bad. Again I agree. We should never have gone there and shouldn't be there now. A lot of other places in the world could do with some outside military intervention. But not Iraq. He was no threat. God certainy DIDN'T tell Bush to attack them like he said.
Also the idea of "America" was already in place by the time the American Revolution happened. The revolutionists called themselves Americans. The ideas for the state were already starting to be implemented. It had gone beyond being just a civil war. Beyond being just the Native English v the Upstart Colonialists.
Oh and the NATIVE American (notice the word NATIVE?) dID help the British in the war . The same way some helped the Colonialists in the war.
Got to go my weed has turned up
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
You're wrong.
Geithner 'open' to China proposal
Geithner, at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the U.S. is "open" to a headline-grabbing proposal by the governor of the China's central bank, which was widely reported as being a call for a new global currency to replace the dollar, but which Geithner described as more modest and "evolutionary."
www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Geithner_open_to_China_proposal.html
You're wrong.
Geithner 'open' to China proposal
Geithner, at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the U.S. is "open" to a headline-grabbing proposal by the governor of the China's central bank, which was widely reported as being a call for a new global currency to replace the dollar, but which Geithner described as more modest and "evolutionary."
www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/Geithner_open_to_China_proposal.html
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
US backing for world currency stuns markets
US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner shocked global markets by revealing that Washington is "quite open" to Chinese proposals for the gradual development of a global reserve currency run by the International Monetary Fund.
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5050407/US-backing-for-world-currency-stuns-markets.html
WooooooooooooooooooooooooooW!!
I do not understand why they want to crush the dollar and the middle-class with it. It is distrubing to me.
It is "quite apparent" to me that the middle-class is finished in this country.
The collapse of the public's dollar will
"shock" them. (or not because it is going to be fairly gradual).
Geithner's appointment is no longer "strange." It is clearly the same guy as Paulson; it is the same Bush policies.
We have all been duped.
Found it at Reuters. Good find, Precusor: www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE52O43O20090325
This is Geithner in top form,he vary much wants to objurgate from the obvious that he is Dip Shit.he "since" has back tracked from those blasphemous words.dollar is KING and nothing can change that for now.He is taking the brunt of anger so he looking for a way out.
China and Russia are just pilling on much like the kid game king of the hill,everyone want to knock the king off,facts:China is experiencing protest every day now.If they cant sell their goods then they are in deep trouble,imagine 100 million peasants flooding the city's looking for work.
In this climate that the world is in now, they aren't going to look a Communism as a way out.If American chose to stop buying the communist crap they fall and fall hard.Were not far from that now with money and attitudes.
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.