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NCsoft Sued for Patent Infringement

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  • ABRaquelABRaquel Member UncommonPosts: 541

     I would like to know what they have to say regarding EQ, Meridian 59 and UO, since they were released before filling their patent

  • KalmarthKalmarth Member Posts: 443

    If this is up held then I will be writting to the guy that holds the patent and wrote the code for the original odyssey, his code literally is that when a object connect with another object an action happens, I'll get with the company that's suing and have him sue the whole world of video games.

    Both law suits would be absurd but some morons just see dollar bills.

     

  • AbrahmmAbrahmm Member Posts: 2,448
    Originally posted by Cynthe

    Originally posted by Jerid13



    So if she had spilled colder coffee on herself and sued she wouldn't have won?


     

    It's a whole different basket of apples if she suffered 2ond or 3rd degree burns, that's nothing to sneeze at. I never knew this until now, went with the flow and made fun of the case but it's no joking matter if it's that serious, she was totally in the right to sue.

     

    No it's not. She bought cofee, cofee is hot, SHE spilled the coffee and burned herself. It's her own damn fault and she isn't right to sue anyone. I don't the company that made my stove if I accidently burn myself on a pan. It is absolutely ubsurd how sue happy people are these days. 

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  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193
    Originally posted by Jerid13

    Originally posted by ArchMarduk


    "Mass.-based online company Worlds.com is suing NCsoft for infringing on a patent that seems to lay claim to fundamental aspects of MMO games.
    Worlds.com said in its December 24 court filing that South Korea's NCsoft has infringed on U.S. patent 7,181,690, a "System and method for enabling users to interact in a virtual space." NCsoft also has locations in the U.S.
    The plaintiff said NCsoft is willfully and deliberately infringing on the patent. "Worlds has been damaged by the infringement by NCSoft and is suffering, and will continue to suffer, irreparable harm and damage as a result of this infringement, unless such infringement is enjoined by this Court," reads the suit (pdf).
    The patent in question describes methods to allow a user to "interact with other users in a virtual space" through a server, with an avatar representing each user.
    The patent's abstract reads in part, "The present invention provides a highly scalable architecture for a three-dimensional graphical, multi-user, interactive virtual world system."
    Worlds.com filed the patent in August of 2000, and the government issued the patent in February 2007. The inventors listed on the patent are Dave Leahy, Judith Challinger, B. Thomas Adler and S. J. Ardron.
    NCsoft is the publisher of games including Tabula Rasa, Guild Wars, Lineage and City of Heroes.
    Worlds.com dropped a not-so-subtle hint that it would be bringing MMO makers to court over its patents when earlier in December, General Patent Corp., a patent licensing and enforcement firm, announced attorneys Lerner David Littenberg Krumholz & Mentlik LLP would be "enforcing" Worlds.com patents.
    At the time, the law firm said it would defend the '690 patent and another filing, patent 6,219,045, a "Scalable Virtual World Chat Client-Server System."
    Worlds.com, which was founded in 1994, is demanding that the court find the patent "valid and enforceable," and is seeking damages as well as a permanent injunction against any infringement of the patent by NCsoft.
    Source: Virtual Worlds News"
    can this be the beggining of the end for many MMO's ?

     

    LAWL!!

     

    So these retards are claiming that MMO's are their idea yet there were three or four that were ALREADY in exsistance by the year 2000 when they filed a patent.

    Here let me go make a patent on cell phones and then go sue all the companies using the idea that I just claimed I invented first even though technicaly I just stole their idea and cried a lot that I didn't think it up first.

    PATHETIC

     

    They'll all be unemployed burger flippers soon, after this frivilous lawsuit goes no where and they waste all their money on legal.

    Who the hell is worlds.com anyway?  After reading their website they seem like evil lawyers who all they do is patent things and then sue people who are doing what they patented after the fact? 

    Is this not against the law?

    Did I just step through the looking glass into "lawyer world"?

     

    Woah woa woa, you really misunderstood. They don't claim to have "invented mmo's". They just want all the companies to go "through them" before making mmo's. Basically like if you want to sell a song, you half to have pay money + get permission from whoever owns the liscense to the song. They don't want to stop them from existing, they just want their share from owning the rights.

    However after requesting several companies to pay them for using their patent, and the companies refuse, then they sue. Worlds has been around for a hella long time, they actually had virtual worlds to chat inside of back in 94, way before meridian and UO. So technically, they are the origional pioneers for 3d socialization networking.

    But why in the hell they chose to open lawsuits this late in the game is beyond me, it is pretty stupid if ya ask me. It's almost like they had a patent sitting their and they stumbled apon it in a dusty closit and where like WOAH, all these bigname MMo's are against our patent!!

    If worlds wanted to have any power of affect, they should have started making claims to sony back when EQ origionally released, because at this point in time 9 years later, it really does seem sort of silly that theyd just sit over this patent and not do shit, then all of a sudden they expect all the companies to comply. Very unprofessional on their part.

  • Rayx0rRayx0r Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,902
    Originally posted by ABRaquel


     I would like to know what they have to say regarding EQ, Meridian 59 and UO, since they were released before filling their patent



     

    It means if theyre not careful their suit will backfire on them and they'll lose their ass.

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  • ericbelserericbelser Member Posts: 783

    There is also the issue of the patent itself. They may end up losing it entirely as an unreasonable and unenforcable patent. Just because something hadn't been patented before doesn't mean any Joe Moron that thinks of it can suddenly patent it and rake in the millions. These jokers just got lucky with the patent board passing a very vague and questionable patent and now are looking to cash in, because their slime-surfing lawyers smelled money.

    Given the existance of a myriad of text-based multi-user interfaces prior to their patent they have a very very very hard time claiming to have invented the concept of a virtual meeting place or world. The graphical elements evolved as a function of practical technology, not theory.

    As a side note, I'm almost glad they filed in Texas...after all...isn't Texas home of both the "first one is free" and "I'm sorry your honor, but he just plain needed killin'" murder defenses?

     

     

  • Shoko_LiedShoko_Lied Member UncommonPosts: 2,193
    Originally posted by Abrahmm

    Originally posted by Cynthe

    Originally posted by Jerid13



    So if she had spilled colder coffee on herself and sued she wouldn't have won?


     

    It's a whole different basket of apples if she suffered 2ond or 3rd degree burns, that's nothing to sneeze at. I never knew this until now, went with the flow and made fun of the case but it's no joking matter if it's that serious, she was totally in the right to sue.

     

    No it's not. She bought cofee, cofee is hot, SHE spilled the coffee and burned herself. It's her own damn fault and she isn't right to sue anyone. I don't the company that made my stove if I accidently burn myself on a pan. It is absolutely ubsurd how sue happy people are these days. 

    There was an incident in my state where a thief breaking into somebodies house and he was in the garage and slipt and broke is back trying to steal something heavy. The thief filed a lawsuit and won the case, he actually got ALOT of money off the elderly family that owned the house.

     

    Another case involved an old lady not knowing much about her new microwave, so she stuck her cat in it thinking she would warm up her kitty. She ended up sueing the microwave company for not telling her that animals explode under condensed radio [micro] waves.

    Stupid things like this only promote people to become sue happy because they know they may be able to get away with it because of how shitty and textbook the judicial system can be at times.

  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798

    minor update

     

    Worlds.com vs. NCSoft moves from Texas to California

    www.massively.com/2009/04/27/worlds-com-vs-ncsoft-moves-from-texas-to-california/

     

  • natuxatunatuxatu Member UncommonPosts: 1,364

    Well I'm pretty much agreeing with everyone that this is stupid and just more annoying. At least it's a topic all us MMOers can come together on instead of fighting the epic good mmo vs bad mmo.

    Yeah I'm not eveing worried I'm more hoping that this backfires somehow and these idiots get charged with.. something... filing obsurd lawsuits should be a crime in itself.

     

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  • clwoodsclwoods Member Posts: 625

    The only way this would have a chance in court would be if this company had a fully rendered working engine and could prove that all other mmo engines are based off thiers.  It seems that they are sueing over intellectual property though, and that isn't the case.

     

    This would be similar to Nintendo sueing Sega stating that Sonic the Hedgehog is a copyright infringment of Super Mario Bros because they are both platformer titles.

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005

    This is so stupid its beyond belief,  whoever gave them this patent in the first place, im glad this sort of thing only really happens in america, maybe this is a god thing, so companies like NC Soft stop having offices in the US and move to EU only where there are no stupid patents.

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  • grimfallgrimfall Member UncommonPosts: 1,153
    Originally posted by rav3n2


    This is so stupid its beyond belief,  whoever gave them this patent in the first place, im glad this sort of thing only really happens in america, maybe this is a god thing, so companies like NC Soft stop having offices in the US and move to EU only where there are no stupid patents.



     

    EU has patents suits, just like America.  I suggest when you don't know about something, try google before you just start spouting nonsense.

  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546

    The patent shouldn't have been allowed.

    It would have been the equivilent of giving Gore a patent on the internet, cause you know he invented it right.

    NCsofts pockets are just as deep as Blizzards.

    Seriously, this is retarded.  WTF would a patent office give a patent on something like this.  They didn't invent the technology.  Video games already existed.  Internet already existed.  How could a patent office allow anyone a patent to utilize two things that are already in existance.

  • RavenRaven Member UncommonPosts: 2,005
    Originally posted by grimfall

    Originally posted by rav3n2


    This is so stupid its beyond belief,  whoever gave them this patent in the first place, im glad this sort of thing only really happens in america, maybe this is a god thing, so companies like NC Soft stop having offices in the US and move to EU only where there are no stupid patents.



     

    EU has patents suits, just like America.  I suggest when you don't know about something, try google before you just start spouting nonsense.

     

    I suggest you re-read my post I will make it clear, when i said stupid patents i actually meant "Stupid" patents such as giving out a patent for 3d worlds with social interaction such things only really happen in america, so yeah you missed it completely, try re-reading before spouting nonsense.

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  • vinwieselvinwiesel Member Posts: 114

    Yes, the real crime here is that the patent got approved in the first place, especially since it was after the content in question was already in widespread use.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by vinwiesel


    Yes, the real crime here is that the patent got approved in the first place, especially since it was after the content in question was already in widespread use.

     

    It was an extention of a 1995 patient, and it has very specific language that makes the patent sorta unique and perhaps valid.

    Not saying I like the idea, personally I think its a bunch of bull.  However they do have a leg to stand upon.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615

    If this a true lawsuit, its weird that the first company they go after is a foreign game developer. If they actually thought they would win why not first go after local companies like Mythic, Turbine, or Blizzard?

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • FringeStudyFringeStudy Member Posts: 3
    Originally posted by akiira69


    If this a true lawsuit, its weird that the first company they go after is a foreign game developer. If they actually thought they would win why not first go after local companies like Mythic, Turbine, or Blizzard?

     

    Because they're relying on racist sentaments in the Texas court system to win.  If the lawsuit is filed in any other court system besides Texas, it would have been thrown out long ago.

    But seeing this is Texas we're talking about here.  NCsoft is in trouble unless Blizzard or Sony USA comes to their aid.

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by FringeStudy

    Originally posted by akiira69


    If this a true lawsuit, its weird that the first company they go after is a foreign game developer. If they actually thought they would win why not first go after local companies like Mythic, Turbine, or Blizzard?

     

    Because they're relying on racist sentaments in the Texas court system to win.  If the lawsuit is filed in any other court system besides Texas, it would have been thrown out long ago.

    But seeing this is Texas we're talking about here.  NCsoft is in trouble unless Blizzard or Sony USA comes to their aid.

     

    They moved it to North Cal btw...

    Edit :  http://www.patentarcade.com/2009/04/case-update-worldscom-v-ncsoft.html

  • jaxsundanejaxsundane Member Posts: 2,776
    Originally posted by kingbloop


    wth. like no one in the universe would come up with the idea for a 3d enviroment for interacting with other people... main thing that gets me is MMORPGS are games. Worlds.com looks lame and not anywhere close to the same thing imo. i am curious as to other's thoughts on this.



     

    It's just what another response said "It's the American way" celebrities are sued all the time sometimes obviously for good reason but sometimes not the rason is the perception on deep pockets,which is going to make companies no different here maybe you can't win but get some annoyed enough to settle ot a bad way to make money I guess.

     

    but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....

  • IronZIronZ Member Posts: 107
    Originally posted by FringeStudy

    Originally posted by akiira69


    If this a true lawsuit, its weird that the first company they go after is a foreign game developer. If they actually thought they would win why not first go after local companies like Mythic, Turbine, or Blizzard?

     

    Because they're relying on racist sentaments in the Texas court system to win.  If the lawsuit is filed in any other court system besides Texas, it would have been thrown out long ago.

    But seeing this is Texas we're talking about here.  NCsoft is in trouble unless Blizzard or Sony USA comes to their aid.

     

    That has got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard...

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  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by IronZ

    Originally posted by FringeStudy

    Originally posted by akiira69


    If this a true lawsuit, its weird that the first company they go after is a foreign game developer. If they actually thought they would win why not first go after local companies like Mythic, Turbine, or Blizzard?

     

    Because they're relying on racist sentaments in the Texas court system to win.  If the lawsuit is filed in any other court system besides Texas, it would have been thrown out long ago.

    But seeing this is Texas we're talking about here.  NCsoft is in trouble unless Blizzard or Sony USA comes to their aid.

     

    That has got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard...

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      They wern't relying on racisim anyway... Eastern texas is just well known for upholding the patient law.  So they had an advantage because that court was extremely biased towad the patent holder normally.

    That would be why they had a change of venue and they're now trying the case in Northern California, which is also a little bit favortist toward the patent holder but their courts are a little less wacky.

    Also NCSoft does have coporate holdings in the US, and they run their games here too.  There is no reason why they wouldn't go after NCSoft first, its technically the 2nd most lucritive MMO Maker out there, and it has no larger parent company to support it like SoE And Activision Blizzard do.

    NCSoft makes a PERFECT target.

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615

     If this goes through then I can think of other lawsuits

    Tolkein Suing Wizards of the Coast over the use of the Elven Race, and the term Ranger

    Wizards of the Coast suing any and all Fantasy CRPG and MMORPG for the Use of D&D Class Types(Paladin, Warrior, Ranger, etc)

    Unix Suing the Creators of Linux for use of the Unix Kernel

    the list is endless, the US Patent Office really screwed up on this call and so did Worlds.com. If they had a true lawsuit they wouldnt just attack 1 company they would attack any and all MMORPG Developers at once.

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  • Laughing-manLaughing-man Member RarePosts: 3,655
    Originally posted by akiira69


     If this goes through then I can think of other lawsuits
    Tolkein Suing Wizards of the Coast over the use of the Elven Race, and the term Ranger
    Wizards of the Coast suing any and all Fantasy CRPG and MMORPG for the Use of D&D Class Types(Paladin, Warrior, Ranger, etc)
    Unix Suing the Creators of Linux for use of the Unix Kernel
    the list is endless, the US Patent Office really screwed up on this call and so did Worlds.com. If they had a true lawsuit they wouldnt just attack 1 company they would attack any and all MMORPG Developers at once.

    Again, Why would you go after all of them at once?

    It would cost billions in court fees to sue every MMO maker at the same time.

    The way they are doing it is THE ONLY way they could win, target a smaller company that has a lot of money to lose so they can collect a fat check off them and then continue on the war path to the next MMO maker, which would have more money to throw at them legally and more money to be won if Worlds.com could win.

     

  • akiira69akiira69 Member UncommonPosts: 615
    Originally posted by Laughing-man

    Originally posted by akiira69


     If this goes through then I can think of other lawsuits
    Tolkein Suing Wizards of the Coast over the use of the Elven Race, and the term Ranger
    Wizards of the Coast suing any and all Fantasy CRPG and MMORPG for the Use of D&D Class Types(Paladin, Warrior, Ranger, etc)
    Unix Suing the Creators of Linux for use of the Unix Kernel
    the list is endless, the US Patent Office really screwed up on this call and so did Worlds.com. If they had a true lawsuit they wouldnt just attack 1 company they would attack any and all MMORPG Developers at once.

    Again, Why would you go after all of them at once?

    It would cost billions in court fees to sue every MMO maker at the same time.

    The way they are doing it is THE ONLY way they could win, target a smaller company that has a lot of money to lose so they can collect a fat check off them and then continue on the war path to the next MMO maker, which would have more money to throw at them legally and more money to be won if Worlds.com could win.

     

     

    Because the bigger companies like Activision Blizzard, EA Mythic. Sony USA, and Turbine will pay out of court before it even gets to trial. That is much faster than suing 1 little company whos main office isnt even in the same country that the Patent is filed in.

    "Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

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