Basically what this boils down to is, companies wanting to charge more for absolutly nothing. I currently use 900+gb of bandwidth a month Teired pricing could be ridiculous. The internet is the future, these ISP need to learn how to keep up.
900 GB? Mind if I ask you what you spend that all on?
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho ) i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
But but but... I require simply the best! I shall NOT sacrifice my standards for the sake of a.. stupid.. simple... ISP bandwidth issue...
No but seriously... In a NORMAL month even folks who download lots of Mod's, patches etc should not really go over 150-200 gb's.. Anything over that and you are inviting the software piracy guys to monitor your usage... seriously..
I dont know what all you guys are crying about honstly, come to Australia and live with what we have.
All our internet is capped. The largest cap you can get is 80gb I believe but it is a huge monthly fee, the average cap is 12gb - 20gb and that on average costs us about $50 - $100 a month depending on speed.
Now onto speed, Dial up here is still a very real option, they still offer you the 56kb/s connection and you will be suprized at how many people take it. The average speed that 70% of people have is 1500/ 256, and the fastest you can get atm in Australia is 25mb/5mb and that speed is only aviable in very select areas.
So you guys even after these caps get implmented will still have it much better then we do down here.
Telia tried this in Sweden but had to stop it fast since because all their customers threatened to leave (a lot did).
But as the ISP guy said, MMOs don't use that much bandwith. It is pirates and Peer to peer users that will the ones in trouble, and maybe people who watch a lot of streamed videos.
But still, this is not a good thing, I rather pay a larger fee than have to keep a track how much I use the net.
I dont know what all you guys are crying about honstly, come to Australia and live with what we have.
All our internet is capped. The largest cap you can get is 80gb I believe but it is a huge monthly fee, the average cap is 12gb - 20gb and that on average costs us about $50 - $100 a month depending on speed.
Now onto speed, Dial up here is still a very real option, they still offer you the 56kb/s connection and you will be suprized at how many people take it. The average speed that 70% of people have is 1500/ 256, and the fastest you can get atm in Australia is 25mb/5mb and that speed is only aviable in very select areas.
So you guys even after these caps get implmented will still have it much better then we do down here.
Wow, that totaly blows. I havn't even heard of anyone using a dial up for 5 years now here....
And 12-20 is not even enough to download a game like AoC.
All our internet is capped. The largest cap you can get is 80gb I believe but it is a huge monthly fee, the average cap is 12gb - 20gb and that on average costs us about $50 - $100 a month depending on speed. Now onto speed, Dial up here is still a very real option, they still offer you the 56kb/s connection and you will be suprized at how many people take it. The average speed that 70% of people have is 1500/ 256, and the fastest you can get atm in Australia is 25mb/5mb and that speed is only aviable in very select areas.
Wow, that totaly blows. I havn't even heard of anyone using a dial up for 5 years now here....
And 12-20 is not even enough to download a game like AoC.
You must live in town. A vast majority of the landmass of the United States still does not have high speed wired service. While a majority of homes can now get high speed service, being located in towns and cities, people a few miles out of the city limits are still getting by with wireless, satellite or even dial-up. To make it worse, most of the areas that don't receive DSL don't have phone lines that will actually deliver the legal limit of 53k. There are still a quite a few people in rural areas getting by with 33.6 dial-up service. I will install a couple of people a month who are moving off of dial-up.
Even the people lucky enough to have a reputable wireless provider in their area have to deal with relatively low bandwidth and throughput caps. Ours is higher than our competitors at 30Gb a month... It was 10 at the last wireless ISP I worked for. The funny part is, most of my customers use less than 20Gb a month. I just looked at the numbers for the month, through today and I have one customer at 26Gb with the second highest at 6, tapering down from there until the 10th highest usage customer for the last 5 days is only at a little over 2Gb.
These kinds of caps and tiered pricing structures are in response to that one customer who has used 5 times as much as the second highest usage subscriber, and 15 times as much as the 10th.
I am currently unaware if our account has limits on it thru Charter, but it is something I will be looking into this week.
I have found Charter to be like 20% cheaper or so than Comcast over the years, but I dont know if the service is of the same level. Comcast gives all your PCs McAfee internet Suite for protection,,,,Charter goes with their own generic AV suite. We experience more outagges as well, but live further out now so have to take that into consideration.
But as indicated, I think Charter is a bit more fair with pricing so I am curious if they will attempt this gouging of service.
I use my share of internet being on disability. I download a few video clips folks link during a given month. Little gaming, and mostly a lot of surfing. Our youngest daughter plays some EQ2 with my wife. She also likes to watch music videos and various. My wife luvs EQ2, and puts a number of hrs into it.
I would have to think we are at the 40G threshhold or so. Really wish I knew.
If TWC's move ends up affecting other companies rates, on all services, then I hope they go out of business due to this change that they are attempting to force on the American public.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
This isn't new, its the way the internet started. They also do not need to do this for any form of limitations, or tech reasons, this is simply to get people to pay more, there is no reason to do this, this time.
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And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
I'm not that high but I am sure I'm well over 100GB. Between streaming movies/TV shows (from Netflix), downloading games from Steam/Direct2Drive, downloading music (got 15 GB from Zune last night), downloaded VG client last night too (20 GB), etc, etc. Then don't forget web browsing, viral videos and such.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
that solliuton was fine ten year back.. when we were stuck with 15 inch monitors.. now everyone can get 22+ as cost are low for those.. and non hd aint tha pretty on those
I don't care if I use 5 GB's or 4000 GB's per month. The moment a company tries to change their pricing plans to get a better $$ return with me on the losing end, I quit. Game over. There is far too many options out there to be stuck like chuck in some horrible capped cable plan.
I understand if you are stuck in an area where this is your only option for high speed, then you have no choice but to grin and bear it. However, for those of us that live in big markets or cities (Los Angeles for me) and stay subscribed to capped service (once implemented) are foolish. If Time Warner sees that their tier plans result in mass cancellations then they will think twice about this type of pricing, at least for areas that give them ample competition.
Regardless if you use 5 or 4000 GB's per month. If you live in an area that offers other options, give TW the middle finger and switch services. Sure, maybe you'll be stuck at 6mb DL on DSL. However, 10mb on cable means nothing if your capped. It just means you reach the cap quicker.
The second that TW sends me a notice about new tiered pricing I will be calling up and cancelling. I will also send letters to their corporate offices on why I will no longer be using their services. There are just far too many options out there to have to submit to this sort of stranglehold and tyranny.
This isn't new, its the way the internet started. They also do not need to do this for any form of limitations, or tech reasons, this is simply to get people to pay more, there is no reason to do this, this time.
That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
Its already here in the UK, at a random guess I'd say 80-90% of the providers here have a download limit that goes up with how much you pay per month. For general users the limits are probably of no concern, but they would hit hard anyone who watches streaming vids or uses P2P programs. Thankfully, this is for the phoneline version (ADSL?), the cable company who has a monopoly here thankfully has no usage limit although nothing would stop them should they choose to go down that route. They do however cap your speed down to 10% for a day or so if you go over a certain limit in peak hours (4pm - 12pm weekdays). Although I hated this system at first it makes alot of sense now. Leaving larger downloads and P2P programs till off peak hours means better performance all round for everyone when you need it for gaming or general use.
It's worth noting that most ISPs do have an unpublished maximum monthly throughput. Do a search on your ISP and "glass cap" to find out if your ISP enforces one now and get an idea what it is. These limits are usually set really high, and are in place just to take out the most abusive file hosting machines... but there is usually a limit on your "unlimited" service.
This isn't new, its the way the internet started. They also do not need to do this for any form of limitations, or tech reasons, this is simply to get people to pay more, there is no reason to do this, this time.
That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
look, i had to put up with plenty of ignorant retard providers,, first one wasnt even legit.. it sucket balls.. i even stoped paying.. they said they will sue me.. its funny when they provided terrible service, where things as even playing wow ( which omfg uses what 8kb/s a sec mostly , which is gotten from dialup, was pretty much impossible with constant 1k ping )
then our main telephone giant, decide to go for internet , so they offered some really good options.. i was like hell ye, i freakin subscired to them for 2 years.. that was biggest mistake i ever did.. and i will never ever again , gona be tied down for any service, it better give me free house if they want me to use theirs crap for years
i enjoyed my internet for maybe half year.. till it became such trash
they had like complete monopoly , and they choke on it.. lines were full, they started upgrading.. offering cable instead of dsl ( not everywhere still ) , you know what now its known as most bullshit internet provider, the day my subscribtion with them ended.. i called them.. and said internet was CRAP , it was perfect 5 mins after.. it went bad again tho.. and i just canceled it.. as i finally could
now i have another provider, and when i ask do you provide xx speed.. and XXX speed no xxxx-xxxx, and no limitations.. and i get answer yes.. i EXPECT that to be the case
i used my 100 mb line fully for many times, especially when i joined them at start, as it was nowhere near compared to what i have.. no matter how i love or enjoy my current line, if they gonna come babling that i am using too much, or try to limit me.. ill find someone new, whos here to replace them, as they were to replace , previous giant, who chocked on how much they could take
if you have 10 ppl in a house using 100 mb line .. i expect that house have access to 1000 line , if you get another 5, add another 500 , and i dont give a crap how much it cost
you know.. here in europe, we pay for 2 things , specially small country like mine, there are cable and all hardware.. and another is trafic to foreign countries
while in usa, you pretty much get a long with cable and hardware, considering how fast underwater cabble you got to london/paris , and the size of america , is twice as europe.. alone
This isn't new, its the way the internet started. They also do not need to do this for any form of limitations, or tech reasons, this is simply to get people to pay more, there is no reason to do this, this time.
That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
Coming from a small isp, that may be the case. An isp the size of TWC is a tad different. You also have to realize that not just the dirty file sharing pirates (sarcasm) will leave. Most people, I think, will move elsewhere when they come along and say "We know you've been a loyal customer for x amount of time and we appreciate your money, but just so you know, you now only get to use a certain portion of our internet access for your needs without paying us more. Thanks and have a great day!" Yep, most people will stay I'm sure, lol.
You are just incorrect. Every type of media, even fiber has a limit, and costs for initial installation and maintenance. You are saying you don't care about those limits and ISPs should just upgrade to meet the demands of their heaviest users.... and you don't care what it costs to do so. Well, who do you suppose is going to pay for these expensive network upgrades? Should the average customer using 30Gb a month shoulder the cost or should it weigh more heavily on the guys pushing that much traffic every single day?
IMO the cost should fall on the P2P abusers. We can all agree that the worst network hogs fall in to that category. If the prospect of paying their fair share chases the abusive users off my network... that can't really be seen as a negative from my perspective.
edit.. this was a response to the post two above. The poster above me snuck a reply in while I was typing.
To respond to that post. I know the larger ISPs will draw the line in different places, and they can afford to set their limits a lot higher than us. I just think most people will be pleasantly surprised to see that their traffic falls in the average use category... and they only need the basic residental pricing. Even the big companies would like to be rid of their worst 1 per cent. I know that they deal in volume and wouldnt want to lose 1% of their profits, but those top one percent of bandwidth users aren't generating a profit.... they cost their ISP money every month.
Every single year the bandwidth we use goes up. Will the cable companies compensate? I doubt it.
Another problem is that the cable companies claim they are doing this, because of companies like Vonage, etc. Ok, well charge them, not me. I don't use the internet for my phone or to watch cable tv on my laptop.
I'm not sure how much bandwidth I use, but I'm willing to bet its a good amount. 200GB would be a guesstimate. I watch a lot of shows on Netflix, and ABC.com. No, I don't download illegal stuff. Not sure what is meant by that.
In ten years 200GB a month will seem like 1GB did ten years ago. Not very much by today's standards. I guarantee the cable companies will not adjust. This sort of plan will stiffle web technology. The cable company needs to go after the people who are causing the bandwidth problems. If they need to jack up subscription charges that's understandable. My service price hasn't ever gone up. I can understand that I'm probably using 100X the bandwidth I did ten years ago. There was barely anything out there, yet its been 40 dollars a month forever.
On a side note, is there a way for ME to see how much bandwidth I'm using? We have 3 computers and they all are used for MMO's (among other things of course, lol). I would like to see what they consume, even just across one PC would be nice.
On a side note, is there a way for ME to see how much bandwidth I'm using? We have 3 computers and they all are used for MMO's (among other things of course, lol). I would like to see what they consume, even just across one PC would be nice.
I thought this is how it used to be? Didn't you have to pay per usage in the old days? I thought they stopped that and went with a monthly flat rate because people didn't like it? Are they stupid or what?
Edit: What's the 10GB have to do with anything? It's not like connections got faster while their resources remained the same. Anyway, I think this is a retarded idea. They better have a monopoly ready, because people will just switch providers if possible. If everybody decides to take this idea, it would only take one company offering a flat monthly rate to destroy the competition. Hey, maybe I can become a millionaire?
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900 GB? Mind if I ask you what you spend that all on?
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
But but but... I require simply the best! I shall NOT sacrifice my standards for the sake of a.. stupid.. simple... ISP bandwidth issue...
No but seriously... In a NORMAL month even folks who download lots of Mod's, patches etc should not really go over 150-200 gb's.. Anything over that and you are inviting the software piracy guys to monitor your usage... seriously..
I dont know what all you guys are crying about honstly, come to Australia and live with what we have.
All our internet is capped. The largest cap you can get is 80gb I believe but it is a huge monthly fee, the average cap is 12gb - 20gb and that on average costs us about $50 - $100 a month depending on speed.
Now onto speed, Dial up here is still a very real option, they still offer you the 56kb/s connection and you will be suprized at how many people take it. The average speed that 70% of people have is 1500/ 256, and the fastest you can get atm in Australia is 25mb/5mb and that speed is only aviable in very select areas.
So you guys even after these caps get implmented will still have it much better then we do down here.
Telia tried this in Sweden but had to stop it fast since because all their customers threatened to leave (a lot did).
But as the ISP guy said, MMOs don't use that much bandwith. It is pirates and Peer to peer users that will the ones in trouble, and maybe people who watch a lot of streamed videos.
But still, this is not a good thing, I rather pay a larger fee than have to keep a track how much I use the net.
Wow, that totaly blows. I havn't even heard of anyone using a dial up for 5 years now here....
And 12-20 is not even enough to download a game like AoC.
Wow, that totaly blows. I havn't even heard of anyone using a dial up for 5 years now here....
And 12-20 is not even enough to download a game like AoC.
You must live in town.
A vast majority of the landmass of the United States still does not have high speed wired service. While a majority of homes can now get high speed service, being located in towns and cities, people a few miles out of the city limits are still getting by with wireless, satellite or even dial-up. To make it worse, most of the areas that don't receive DSL don't have phone lines that will actually deliver the legal limit of 53k. There are still a quite a few people in rural areas getting by with 33.6 dial-up service. I will install a couple of people a month who are moving off of dial-up.
Even the people lucky enough to have a reputable wireless provider in their area have to deal with relatively low bandwidth and throughput caps. Ours is higher than our competitors at 30Gb a month... It was 10 at the last wireless ISP I worked for. The funny part is, most of my customers use less than 20Gb a month. I just looked at the numbers for the month, through today and I have one customer at 26Gb with the second highest at 6, tapering down from there until the 10th highest usage customer for the last 5 days is only at a little over 2Gb.
These kinds of caps and tiered pricing structures are in response to that one customer who has used 5 times as much as the second highest usage subscriber, and 15 times as much as the 10th.
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I am currently unaware if our account has limits on it thru Charter, but it is something I will be looking into this week.
I have found Charter to be like 20% cheaper or so than Comcast over the years, but I dont know if the service is of the same level. Comcast gives all your PCs McAfee internet Suite for protection,,,,Charter goes with their own generic AV suite. We experience more outagges as well, but live further out now so have to take that into consideration.
But as indicated, I think Charter is a bit more fair with pricing so I am curious if they will attempt this gouging of service.
I use my share of internet being on disability. I download a few video clips folks link during a given month. Little gaming, and mostly a lot of surfing. Our youngest daughter plays some EQ2 with my wife. She also likes to watch music videos and various. My wife luvs EQ2, and puts a number of hrs into it.
I would have to think we are at the 40G threshhold or so. Really wish I knew.
If TWC's move ends up affecting other companies rates, on all services, then I hope they go out of business due to this change that they are attempting to force on the American public.
Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.
This isn't new, its the way the internet started. They also do not need to do this for any form of limitations, or tech reasons, this is simply to get people to pay more, there is no reason to do this, this time.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
I'm not that high but I am sure I'm well over 100GB. Between streaming movies/TV shows (from Netflix), downloading games from Steam/Direct2Drive, downloading music (got 15 GB from Zune last night), downloaded VG client last night too (20 GB), etc, etc. Then don't forget web browsing, viral videos and such.
There are legal ways to get a lot of info.
And thats legal how? Im really interested to know how anyone can use that much, im not bashing nor accusing you, im genuinly quite interested!
would you say downloading tv shows are illegal, yes some come from cable tv.. which have small fee.. but most still come from free television ( i have cable tv , aint using it tho )
i guess you cant rly say its illegal , you could say americans are racists ,when half channels stream them on net for free, fox etc , obviously.. you are blocked out if you dont live in america..
i am nowhere near those 900gb a month.. but i sure spend a bunch.. lets say im watching hmm.. 5~tv shows.. thats 1.1gb hd for one.. thats 5.5 a week 22 a month, and i usually watch more than that.. some anime, and stuff.. not to mention
watching trailers and channels on gametrailers.com in hd.. which again uses 500mb per one decent size video
what a bout gaming mods.. some of them are 2-5 gb size patches.. 40 gb limit is joke ..
Stop downloading HD then, saves you 1 gb/show.
Easy solution...
that solliuton was fine ten year back.. when we were stuck with 15 inch monitors.. now everyone can get 22+ as cost are low for those.. and non hd aint tha pretty on those
I don't care if I use 5 GB's or 4000 GB's per month. The moment a company tries to change their pricing plans to get a better $$ return with me on the losing end, I quit. Game over. There is far too many options out there to be stuck like chuck in some horrible capped cable plan.
I understand if you are stuck in an area where this is your only option for high speed, then you have no choice but to grin and bear it. However, for those of us that live in big markets or cities (Los Angeles for me) and stay subscribed to capped service (once implemented) are foolish. If Time Warner sees that their tier plans result in mass cancellations then they will think twice about this type of pricing, at least for areas that give them ample competition.
Regardless if you use 5 or 4000 GB's per month. If you live in an area that offers other options, give TW the middle finger and switch services. Sure, maybe you'll be stuck at 6mb DL on DSL. However, 10mb on cable means nothing if your capped. It just means you reach the cap quicker.
The second that TW sends me a notice about new tiered pricing I will be calling up and cancelling. I will also send letters to their corporate offices on why I will no longer be using their services. There are just far too many options out there to have to submit to this sort of stranglehold and tyranny.
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That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
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It's worth noting that most ISPs do have an unpublished maximum monthly throughput. Do a search on your ISP and "glass cap" to find out if your ISP enforces one now and get an idea what it is. These limits are usually set really high, and are in place just to take out the most abusive file hosting machines... but there is usually a limit on your "unlimited" service.
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That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
look, i had to put up with plenty of ignorant retard providers,, first one wasnt even legit.. it sucket balls.. i even stoped paying.. they said they will sue me.. its funny when they provided terrible service, where things as even playing wow ( which omfg uses what 8kb/s a sec mostly , which is gotten from dialup, was pretty much impossible with constant 1k ping )
then our main telephone giant, decide to go for internet , so they offered some really good options.. i was like hell ye, i freakin subscired to them for 2 years.. that was biggest mistake i ever did.. and i will never ever again , gona be tied down for any service, it better give me free house if they want me to use theirs crap for years
i enjoyed my internet for maybe half year.. till it became such trash
they had like complete monopoly , and they choke on it.. lines were full, they started upgrading.. offering cable instead of dsl ( not everywhere still ) , you know what now its known as most bullshit internet provider, the day my subscribtion with them ended.. i called them.. and said internet was CRAP , it was perfect 5 mins after.. it went bad again tho.. and i just canceled it.. as i finally could
now i have another provider, and when i ask do you provide xx speed.. and XXX speed no xxxx-xxxx, and no limitations.. and i get answer yes.. i EXPECT that to be the case
i used my 100 mb line fully for many times, especially when i joined them at start, as it was nowhere near compared to what i have.. no matter how i love or enjoy my current line, if they gonna come babling that i am using too much, or try to limit me.. ill find someone new, whos here to replace them, as they were to replace , previous giant, who chocked on how much they could take
if you have 10 ppl in a house using 100 mb line .. i expect that house have access to 1000 line , if you get another 5, add another 500 , and i dont give a crap how much it cost
you know.. here in europe, we pay for 2 things , specially small country like mine, there are cable and all hardware.. and another is trafic to foreign countries
while in usa, you pretty much get a long with cable and hardware, considering how fast underwater cabble you got to london/paris , and the size of america , is twice as europe.. alone
so going on about something as LIMITING is joke
That's a little like saying your water company doesn't need to charge people more who use more water. The water itself is essentially free, you are paying them for the network of pipes and pumps it takes to get the water from the lake to you... Should a standard residential customer pay the same amount monthly as some guy with a tree farm who uses 20 - 50 times as much water as the average user? Of course not.
Your ISP's lines do have a limit, and their bandwidth does have a value. While our equipment gets the customers traffic to our office, from there it goes to SWB lines that we have to pay for.. the more lines we need, the more it costs us. Our business model is based on only having a certain percentage of our customers using the service at any one time. Say we had 100Mbps capacity on one outgoing line. If a customer is running constant P2P traffic at 5Mb around the clock, that essentially lowers our overall capacity to 95Mbps... now imagine 5 or 10 people doing it.
If you are one of the extreme users on your network, you should know your ISP doesn't care about your threats to take your purchasing dollars elswhere... they welcome it. For every customer they have abusing the system, there are hundreds or even thousands of normal use customers. The people using 20 - 30Gb a day are costing their ISP money... why would the providers care if these types of users threaten to quit. I think that's part of the point to tiered pricing.
Coming from a small isp, that may be the case. An isp the size of TWC is a tad different. You also have to realize that not just the dirty file sharing pirates (sarcasm) will leave. Most people, I think, will move elsewhere when they come along and say "We know you've been a loyal customer for x amount of time and we appreciate your money, but just so you know, you now only get to use a certain portion of our internet access for your needs without paying us more. Thanks and have a great day!" Yep, most people will stay I'm sure, lol.
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You are just incorrect. Every type of media, even fiber has a limit, and costs for initial installation and maintenance. You are saying you don't care about those limits and ISPs should just upgrade to meet the demands of their heaviest users.... and you don't care what it costs to do so. Well, who do you suppose is going to pay for these expensive network upgrades? Should the average customer using 30Gb a month shoulder the cost or should it weigh more heavily on the guys pushing that much traffic every single day?
IMO the cost should fall on the P2P abusers. We can all agree that the worst network hogs fall in to that category. If the prospect of paying their fair share chases the abusive users off my network... that can't really be seen as a negative from my perspective.
edit.. this was a response to the post two above. The poster above me snuck a reply in while I was typing.
To respond to that post. I know the larger ISPs will draw the line in different places, and they can afford to set their limits a lot higher than us. I just think most people will be pleasantly surprised to see that their traffic falls in the average use category... and they only need the basic residental pricing. Even the big companies would like to be rid of their worst 1 per cent. I know that they deal in volume and wouldnt want to lose 1% of their profits, but those top one percent of bandwidth users aren't generating a profit.... they cost their ISP money every month.
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Every single year the bandwidth we use goes up. Will the cable companies compensate? I doubt it.
Another problem is that the cable companies claim they are doing this, because of companies like Vonage, etc. Ok, well charge them, not me. I don't use the internet for my phone or to watch cable tv on my laptop.
I'm not sure how much bandwidth I use, but I'm willing to bet its a good amount. 200GB would be a guesstimate. I watch a lot of shows on Netflix, and ABC.com. No, I don't download illegal stuff. Not sure what is meant by that.
In ten years 200GB a month will seem like 1GB did ten years ago. Not very much by today's standards. I guarantee the cable companies will not adjust. This sort of plan will stiffle web technology. The cable company needs to go after the people who are causing the bandwidth problems. If they need to jack up subscription charges that's understandable. My service price hasn't ever gone up. I can understand that I'm probably using 100X the bandwidth I did ten years ago. There was barely anything out there, yet its been 40 dollars a month forever.
Funny how this thread has gotten so far off of MMOs. Is that a concession that this is not relevant to MMOs, but only to other Internet uses?
On a side note, is there a way for ME to see how much bandwidth I'm using? We have 3 computers and they all are used for MMO's (among other things of course, lol). I would like to see what they consume, even just across one PC would be nice.
Z
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http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/09/09/how-to-monitor-your-internet-bandwidth-usage-in-windows/
I thought this is how it used to be? Didn't you have to pay per usage in the old days? I thought they stopped that and went with a monthly flat rate because people didn't like it? Are they stupid or what?
Edit: What's the 10GB have to do with anything? It's not like connections got faster while their resources remained the same. Anyway, I think this is a retarded idea. They better have a monopoly ready, because people will just switch providers if possible. If everybody decides to take this idea, it would only take one company offering a flat monthly rate to destroy the competition. Hey, maybe I can become a millionaire?