The way it used to be was that connections were too slow to use 10 GB in a month even if you were using your maximum capacity 24 hours per day every day. If you want to go back further than that, you can decrease the 10 GB figure quite a bit, too, though you'd have to go back to the days when few people had any Internet access.
Well all eyes are on Time warner and thier planned tiered pricing of the internet. Can read some of it here http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2009/tc20090331_726397.htm. The more you use the more you can pay. And the other providers are going to be watching closely and see how many people react to this. If this has any kind of success i wouldnt be surpised to see other providers start to look at this. With the popluarity of streaming movies, TV, songs, and of course gaming, this can have alot of implications i the next year. I really think unless the governmemt steps in soon, we all can see this type of pricing of monthly usage of the internet become the norm where you pay like 60 bucks for 40 gigs a month then 1 dollar per gig you go over. So what do you think of this?
Welcome to Austraila, where we can $70au for 40gig a month,( Adam internet ADSL2+) I was really hoping that Austraila would follow the rest of the world and go unlimited, but it looks like you guys are going to follow us instead .
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
I did some checking today, 98% of 1.8million Inet users for my company don't use more than 15gb per month bandwidth.
When I emigrated to N.America from the UK I couldn't believe how lucky the continent is with internet speeds and caps not to mention pricing. I as so impressed that I went and got my first job with my ISP who just happens to do the fastest DL speed in N America :P
LOL Shaw is terrible, had what WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
PS your comment about 98% of users blah blah blah is great, 1. downgrade thier speed as they are OBVIOUSLY not useing,
2. leave MY connection the way it is, High Speed price in canada are bad enough without shaw and thier "we dont have contracts" chargeing stupid amounts that they are.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by ianicus
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
When I emigrated to N.America from the UK I couldn't believe how lucky the continent is with internet speeds and caps not to mention pricing. I as so impressed that I went and got my first job with my ISP who just happens to do the fastest DL speed in N America :P
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve $80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
I did some checking today, 98% of 1.8million Inet users for my company don't use more than 15gb per month bandwidth.
I used more than that yesterday. C'mon, downloading 1 game will cost you 15gb now-a-days.
Let's see what I've got downloaded.
Fallout 3 -5.6gb
Sacred 2 - 12.7gb
AoC - 29.6gb
Vanguard - 19.3gb
LoTRO - 12.9gb
EQ2 - 10.9gb
So, all of these games have a digital distribution option, which leads me to wonder, what will happen to store fronts vs. digital delivery if this happens. There was a recent thread about how PC games are disappearing from brick and mortar stores. Granted, you can still order online, but people in general, especially Americans, have a very "now" mentality when it comes to purchases. Not many people will be happy waiting for the postman, but these people will not be able to download due to ISP limitations. Will this lead to the return of physical boxes in stores?
Personally I think it's all a load of, well, you know what.
I use a ton of bandwidth, luckily Comcast is set at 250gb a month, which is gargantuan enough I'm not concerned about crossing it, but if the norm starts to drop I could be in trouble. A lot of ISPs will claim caps are to prevent people from using services intended for home to run a business or to prevent piracy. The problem is, with iTunes, YouTube, social networking sites, photo/video sharing sites, digital game distribution and "other" entertainment abundant on the web, there is almost no limit to the amount of data you can get your hands on legally and, most of the time, cheap or free.
I don't know if this will make sense, getting ready to go to bed and wanted to throw my 2 coppers in the pile and see how they mix.
I did some checking today, 98% of 1.8million Inet users for my company don't use more than 15gb per month bandwidth.
I used more than that yesterday. C'mon, downloading 1 game will cost you 15gb now-a-days.
Let's see what I've got downloaded.
Fallout 3 -5.6gb
Sacred 2 - 12.7gb
AoC - 29.6gb
Vanguard - 19.3gb
LoTRO - 12.9gb
EQ2 - 10.9gb
So, all of these games have a digital distribution option, which leads me to wonder, what will happen to store fronts vs. digital delivery if this happens. There was a recent thread about how PC games are disappearing from brick and mortar stores. Granted, you can still order online, but people in general, especially Americans, have a very "now" mentality when it comes to purchases. Not many people will be happy waiting for the postman, but these people will not be able to download due to ISP limitations. Will this lead to the return of physical boxes in stores?
Personally I think it's all a load of, well, you know what.
I use a ton of bandwidth, luckily Comcast is set at 250gb a month, which is gargantuan enough I'm not concerned about crossing it, but if the norm starts to drop I could be in trouble. A lot of ISPs will claim caps are to prevent people from using services intended for home to run a business or to prevent piracy. The problem is, with iTunes, YouTube, social networking sites, photo/video sharing sites, digital game distribution and "other" entertainment abundant on the web, there is almost no limit to the amount of data you can get your hands on legally and, most of the time, cheap or free.
I don't know if this will make sense, getting ready to go to bed and wanted to throw my 2 coppers in the pile and see how they mix.
Catch you jive turkeys on the flip side. Peace.
Perfect examples. Comapnys who do this will just be loosing customers who will than switch somewhere else. I in no way see this happeing in places where you have other choices for your internet
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When I emigrated to N.America from the UK I couldn't believe how lucky the continent is with internet speeds and caps not to mention pricing. I as so impressed that I went and got my first job with my ISP who just happens to do the fastest DL speed in N America :P
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve $80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am. And on the topic about congestion, why should I have to call MY isp to make sure Im receiveing the speed im paying for at all times?? I shouldnt...
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV or Internet, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you (but Bells was cheaper), and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw).
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theirs.
7. Not that I have IPTV, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for coming out.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept. Whenever I thought about canceling they would try to BS me with a bunch of technobable about how thier service was the holy grail...hahaha im afraid I was a little to smart for them. Im sure they pull it off on non tech savy people all the time, I was HELLA glad to tell them acctual facts and listen to them trip over thier own lies.
PS the average speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and browsing youtube dont need anything faster....
and all this coming from and AoC player....why am I not suprised...ugh
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
You are just incorrect. Every type of media, even fiber has a limit, and costs for initial installation and maintenance. You are saying you don't care about those limits and ISPs should just upgrade to meet the demands of their heaviest users.... and you don't care what it costs to do so. Well, who do you suppose is going to pay for these expensive network upgrades? Should the average customer using 30Gb a month shoulder the cost or should it weigh more heavily on the guys pushing that much traffic every single day? IMO the cost should fall on the P2P abusers. We can all agree that the worst network hogs fall in to that category. If the prospect of paying their fair share chases the abusive users off my network... that can't really be seen as a negative from my perspective. edit.. this was a response to the post two above. The poster above me snuck a reply in while I was typing. To respond to that post. I know the larger ISPs will draw the line in different places, and they can afford to set their limits a lot higher than us. I just think most people will be pleasantly surprised to see that their traffic falls in the average use category... and they only need the basic residental pricing. Even the big companies would like to be rid of their worst 1 per cent. I know that they deal in volume and wouldnt want to lose 1% of their profits, but those top one percent of bandwidth users aren't generating a profit.... they cost their ISP money every month.
Very flawed argument, considering a MAJORITY of users dont use NEAR thier cap. In the long run it evens out. Try to argue against that all you like, its bs on your part my ISP supporting friend.
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Not going happen. Obama is outright against such things with the internet.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by ianicus
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by ianicus
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
When I emigrated to N.America from the UK I couldn't believe how lucky the continent is with internet speeds and caps not to mention pricing. I as so impressed that I went and got my first job with my ISP who just happens to do the fastest DL speed in N America :P
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve $80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
Actually it is my job, like for a living. I know all the competition inside out. I have had not one person quit to go elsewhere for any service for the past 6 mnths.
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
With home phone it is illegal for anyone in the country to put you in a contract. Telus also does stipulate in their ToS on their website about service calls, just like Bell with $75 p/h.
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am.
They may not block all, that was not the intention, but their proxy system is different and some of the more popular ones are.
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
Only Satellite in AB is Starchoice and Bell. The first doesn't put you in a contract the second does. Clearly states this on websites. Unless your in the 'grey market'.
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you, and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw.
$25 is for the HS with telus, $51 for their 15mbit connection. After a year it goes to 30.95 (not 15mb connection.) Shaw = 19.95 for whole year on 15 mbit connection after that $33 for 7.5 = faster than telus Hs or $43 for shaw xtreme-i compared to $51 telus 15mbit. You also get 100g/b bandwidth with shaw and telus is.. way lower.
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
Ok so you enjoy being charged to be in the phonebook, directory assistance calls, E911 and between $1-$7 per feature lol. No hidden fees with shaw. Telus lost 66k phone cx in last 3 mnths, shaw gain 54k.
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theres.
I speak with thousands of people who disagree every month.
7. Not that I have IPTC, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for comeing out.
Cheaper price less channels. Simple math. only 1 hd tv allowed, your inet will slow down fact! Unlimited tvs in home with shaw. Faster inet because of no restrictions. Honestly I am more clued up here mate.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept, and I was HELLA glad to tell them to shove the hell off.
Shame you didn't speak with me, I could of proved to you you're overpaying for a lesser product. Could of done a nice hdpvr 50% of what you have with bell too Or that single tuner one with telus.
PS the avergae speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and brwsing youtube dont need anything faster....
PS. Check some of the towns out in AB, such as lethbridge, telus can't do 15mb in these area's which leaves their hs connection, and the average is still.... 2mb. Just like Red Deer / fort mac too. As you can see what I am on in my sig, telus is old news. welcome to the 100mb era.
Honesty I do my job well and have to be up to date on stuff. The prices you say don't match the advertised ones.
For anyone wondering about their inet and caps, also check the small print as you will often find you don't get what was advertised.
If you want a real chat then prob best to PM me.
As for the internet issue there are companies out there that charge you lots of money if you go over, I can't stress enough to check. Take Skeaser for ex. If he was with telus his internet bill for 1 month would be over $150 lol.
Doesn't matter who you are with so long as people know what is what and not something they were told as a chinese whisper.
When ppl lie through their teeth and I can see all the illegal torrent downloads it is very amusing.
When I emigrated to N.America from the UK I couldn't believe how lucky the continent is with internet speeds and caps not to mention pricing. I as so impressed that I went and got my first job with my ISP who just happens to do the fastest DL speed in N America :P
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve $80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
Actually it is my job, like for a living. I know all the competition inside out. I have had not one person quit to go elsewhere for any service for the past 6 mnths.
LOL so your one of those lame loyalty reps I spoke to when I canceled?? the one I spoke to was a useless just so you know, than the NEXT one I spoke to, as the first one hung up on me, didnt care one bit I was leaving, very poor service., and Shaw didnt seem to value my internet/television/or phone buisness one little bit.
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
With home phone it is illegal for anyone in the country to put you in a contract. Telus also does stipulate in their ToS on their website about service calls, just like Bell with $75 p/h.
If you look closely at the ToS the cost for service calls is ONLY when the company visits the customers house in a contracting capacity to install inside wireing, which I know for a FACT shaw does as well (my uncle, the onle now thinking about leaving shaw to go BACK to telus was charged for inside COAX work in his home, new jacks and wireing, bluffed and called mate)
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am.
They may not block all, that was not the intention, but their proxy system is different and some of the more popular ones are.
I dont think they block anything man, you obviously have no proof, and as a firsthand user and downloader, my speeds are great on well seeded torrents, more shaw smoke signals
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
Only Satellite in AB is Starchoice and Bell. The first doesn't put you in a contract the second does. Clearly states this on websites. Unless your in the 'grey market'.
Wrong again kiddo, I am with Bell, NOT in a contract with purchased equipment, and a DVR with a 1TB expansion drive....I can outrecord your crap shaw box 100's of times over. hilarious how little you know...
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you, and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw.
$25 is for the HS with telus, $51 for their 15mbit connection. After a year it goes to 30.95 (not 15mb connection.) Shaw = 19.95 for whole year on 15 mbit connection after that $33 for 7.5 = faster than telus Hs or $43 for shaw xtreme-i compared to $51 telus 15mbit. You also get 100g/b bandwidth with shaw and telus is.. way lower.
Did I say I was getting the website price for 15 meg? nope I was offered a WINBACK promo for the LIFE of my service, you must know what that is mister industry expert! LOL jokes
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
Ok so you enjoy being charged to be in the phonebook, directory assistance calls, E911 and between $1-$7 per feature lol. No hidden fees with shaw. Telus lost 66k phone cx in last 3 mnths, shaw gain 54k.
Uh you dont pay to be in the phone book for telus, this is what my bill says im reading as I type, 20.95 a month, there is a THIRTEEN cent 911 charge OOOH and guess why, as telus is the incumbant provider the government saddles them with that charge, telus custeomrs acctualy have to pay for the 911 service that Sahw customer use! thats a legislation issue that needs changing and I have a feeling once the CRTC see's that the playing field has been leveled, the fee will make it onto shaw bills as well kiddo. the 20.95 phone gives me everything I need call display and .4 a min LD.....the only other features I would need would be vm, and SHAW would charge me 5.95 to add that ot the 20.95 plan (I can look at a website too!!)
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theres.
I speak with thousands of people who disagree every month.
Yes and all I need to know is one person that got capped by shaw personaly, and the fact that telus has never charged or capped me....hmmmm
7. Not that I have IPTC, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for comeing out.
Cheaper price less channels. Simple math. only 1 hd tv allowed, your inet will slow down fact! Unlimited tvs in home with shaw. Faster inet because of no restrictions. Honestly I am more clued up here mate.
I think I acctualy managed to mention a REAL WORLD example of how the connection does not slow down, I know you seem to trust literature more than acctual evidence, I suppose thats up to you.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept, and I was HELLA glad to tell them to shove the hell off.
Shame you didn't speak with me, I could of proved to you you're overpaying for a lesser product. Could of done a nice hdpvr 50% of what you have with bell too Or that single tuner one with telus.
My Bell equipment is lightyears better than the crappola shaw PVR, did I mention the 1 TERRABYTE of storage?? LOL opps.
PS the avergae speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and brwsing youtube dont need anything faster....
PS. Check some of the towns out in AB, such as lethbridge, telus can't do 15mb in these area's which leaves their hs connection, and the average is still.... 2mb. Just like Red Deer / fort mac too. As you can see what I am on in my sig, telus is old news. welcome to the 100mb era.
Honesty I do my job well and have to be up to date on stuff. The prices you say don't match the advertised ones.
For anyone wondering about their inet and caps, also check the small print as you will often find you don't get what was advertised.
You must not be aware that Telus is now laying fiber lines that basicaly make COAX lines look like copper lines.... in the next 5 years your gonna see the scales tip dramaticaly. as new communities get the fiber right off the getgo, and exisiting communities get the upgrade, Shaw is going to be the one haveing the hard time keeping up my son
If you want a real chat then prob best to PM me.
As for the internet issue there are companies out there that charge you lots of money if you go over, I can't stress enough to check. Take Skeaser for ex. If he was with telus his internet bill for 1 month would be over $150 lol.
Doesn't matter who you are with so long as people know what is what and not something they were told as a chinese whisper.
When ppl lie through their teeth and I can see all the illegal torrent downloads it is very amusing.
Again ive at least doubled my bandwidth usage every month, no letter, no cap.......you love to quote a companies terms of service, yet you seem to have no real worl proof or evidence, yet I seem to have scads...hmmm sound like your typical Shaw rep....FEAR TELUS, lol pityful.
PS I see your not defending AoC, good move, that game is the PERFECT STORM of MMO crap.
PPS Im going to bed, I wasted WAY to much of my time argueing with ignorant, uninformed SHAW reps while I was a customer, and really, your slew of misinformation and arrogance just make me believe more and more I made the right decision, if I could "take the survey" on my conversation with you today, it would definately be a failing grade. Cheers son, and have fun with your telus fear mongering, and shaw fanboi'ism!
"Well let me just quote the late-great Colonel Sanders, who said…’I’m too drunk to taste this chicken." - Ricky Bobby
Good thing I don't live in USA where they have rediculous pricing for broadband, here in Sweden I pay 30€ for 100Mbit with no monthly cap. Bring on OnLive in 1080p I say!
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The way it used to be was that connections were too slow to use 10 GB in a month even if you were using your maximum capacity 24 hours per day every day. If you want to go back further than that, you can decrease the 10 GB figure quite a bit, too, though you'd have to go back to the days when few people had any Internet access.
Welcome to Austraila, where we can $70au for 40gig a month,( Adam internet ADSL2+) I was really hoping that Austraila would follow the rest of the world and go unlimited, but it looks like you guys are going to follow us instead
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I did some checking today, 98% of 1.8million Inet users for my company don't use more than 15gb per month bandwidth.
Hopefully there are alternatives to those who have Time Warner. Speak with your wallets and switch providers.
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LOL Shaw is terrible, had what WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
PS your comment about 98% of users blah blah blah is great, 1. downgrade thier speed as they are OBVIOUSLY not useing,
2. leave MY connection the way it is, High Speed price in canada are bad enough without shaw and thier "we dont have contracts" chargeing stupid amounts that they are.
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve
$80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
I used more than that yesterday. C'mon, downloading 1 game will cost you 15gb now-a-days.
Let's see what I've got downloaded.
Fallout 3 -5.6gb
Sacred 2 - 12.7gb
AoC - 29.6gb
Vanguard - 19.3gb
LoTRO - 12.9gb
EQ2 - 10.9gb
So, all of these games have a digital distribution option, which leads me to wonder, what will happen to store fronts vs. digital delivery if this happens. There was a recent thread about how PC games are disappearing from brick and mortar stores. Granted, you can still order online, but people in general, especially Americans, have a very "now" mentality when it comes to purchases. Not many people will be happy waiting for the postman, but these people will not be able to download due to ISP limitations. Will this lead to the return of physical boxes in stores?
Personally I think it's all a load of, well, you know what.
I use a ton of bandwidth, luckily Comcast is set at 250gb a month, which is gargantuan enough I'm not concerned about crossing it, but if the norm starts to drop I could be in trouble. A lot of ISPs will claim caps are to prevent people from using services intended for home to run a business or to prevent piracy. The problem is, with iTunes, YouTube, social networking sites, photo/video sharing sites, digital game distribution and "other" entertainment abundant on the web, there is almost no limit to the amount of data you can get your hands on legally and, most of the time, cheap or free.
I don't know if this will make sense, getting ready to go to bed and wanted to throw my 2 coppers in the pile and see how they mix.
Catch you jive turkeys on the flip side. Peace.
I used more than that yesterday. C'mon, downloading 1 game will cost you 15gb now-a-days.
Let's see what I've got downloaded.
Fallout 3 -5.6gb
Sacred 2 - 12.7gb
AoC - 29.6gb
Vanguard - 19.3gb
LoTRO - 12.9gb
EQ2 - 10.9gb
So, all of these games have a digital distribution option, which leads me to wonder, what will happen to store fronts vs. digital delivery if this happens. There was a recent thread about how PC games are disappearing from brick and mortar stores. Granted, you can still order online, but people in general, especially Americans, have a very "now" mentality when it comes to purchases. Not many people will be happy waiting for the postman, but these people will not be able to download due to ISP limitations. Will this lead to the return of physical boxes in stores?
Personally I think it's all a load of, well, you know what.
I use a ton of bandwidth, luckily Comcast is set at 250gb a month, which is gargantuan enough I'm not concerned about crossing it, but if the norm starts to drop I could be in trouble. A lot of ISPs will claim caps are to prevent people from using services intended for home to run a business or to prevent piracy. The problem is, with iTunes, YouTube, social networking sites, photo/video sharing sites, digital game distribution and "other" entertainment abundant on the web, there is almost no limit to the amount of data you can get your hands on legally and, most of the time, cheap or free.
I don't know if this will make sense, getting ready to go to bed and wanted to throw my 2 coppers in the pile and see how they mix.
Catch you jive turkeys on the flip side. Peace.
Perfect examples. Comapnys who do this will just be loosing customers who will than switch somewhere else. I in no way see this happeing in places where you have other choices for your internet
Drackarre-A new medieval fantasy sandbox mmorpg in development by Bungaboo.
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve
$80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am. And on the topic about congestion, why should I have to call MY isp to make sure Im receiveing the speed im paying for at all times?? I shouldnt...
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV or Internet, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you (but Bells was cheaper), and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw).
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theirs.
7. Not that I have IPTV, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for coming out.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept. Whenever I thought about canceling they would try to BS me with a bunch of technobable about how thier service was the holy grail...hahaha im afraid I was a little to smart for them. Im sure they pull it off on non tech savy people all the time, I was HELLA glad to tell them acctual facts and listen to them trip over thier own lies.
PS the average speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and browsing youtube dont need anything faster....
and all this coming from and AoC player....why am I not suprised...ugh
Very flawed argument, considering a MAJORITY of users dont use NEAR thier cap. In the long run it evens out. Try to argue against that all you like, its bs on your part my ISP supporting friend.
Not going happen. Obama is outright against such things with the internet.
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve
$80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
Actually it is my job, like for a living. I know all the competition inside out. I have had not one person quit to go elsewhere for any service for the past 6 mnths.
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
With home phone it is illegal for anyone in the country to put you in a contract. Telus also does stipulate in their ToS on their website about service calls, just like Bell with $75 p/h.
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am.
They may not block all, that was not the intention, but their proxy system is different and some of the more popular ones are.
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
Only Satellite in AB is Starchoice and Bell. The first doesn't put you in a contract the second does. Clearly states this on websites. Unless your in the 'grey market'.
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you, and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw.
$25 is for the HS with telus, $51 for their 15mbit connection. After a year it goes to 30.95 (not 15mb connection.) Shaw = 19.95 for whole year on 15 mbit connection after that $33 for 7.5 = faster than telus Hs or $43 for shaw xtreme-i compared to $51 telus 15mbit. You also get 100g/b bandwidth with shaw and telus is.. way lower.
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
Ok so you enjoy being charged to be in the phonebook, directory assistance calls, E911 and between $1-$7 per feature lol. No hidden fees with shaw. Telus lost 66k phone cx in last 3 mnths, shaw gain 54k.
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theres.
I speak with thousands of people who disagree every month.
7. Not that I have IPTC, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for comeing out.
Cheaper price less channels. Simple math. only 1 hd tv allowed, your inet will slow down fact! Unlimited tvs in home with shaw. Faster inet because of no restrictions. Honestly I am more clued up here mate.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept, and I was HELLA glad to tell them to shove the hell off.
Shame you didn't speak with me, I could of proved to you you're overpaying for a lesser product. Could of done a nice hdpvr 50% of what you have with bell too
Or that single tuner one with telus.
PS the avergae speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and brwsing youtube dont need anything faster....
PS. Check some of the towns out in AB, such as lethbridge, telus can't do 15mb in these area's which leaves their hs connection, and the average is still.... 2mb. Just like Red Deer / fort mac too. As you can see what I am on in my sig, telus is old news. welcome to the 100mb era.
Honesty I do my job well and have to be up to date on stuff. The prices you say don't match the advertised ones.
For anyone wondering about their inet and caps, also check the small print as you will often find you don't get what was advertised.
If you want a real chat then prob best to PM me.
As for the internet issue there are companies out there that charge you lots of money if you go over, I can't stress enough to check. Take Skeaser for ex. If he was with telus his internet bill for 1 month would be over $150 lol.
Doesn't matter who you are with so long as people know what is what and not something they were told as a chinese whisper.
When ppl lie through their teeth and I can see all the illegal torrent downloads it is very amusing.
LOL Shaw is terrible, had the whats WAS 10 and is now 15 for 3 months, it was garbage. Told em to shove it, have Telus 15 now and im ACCTUALY getting 15 meg DSL AT ALL TIME, meaning at dinner time when everyone is jumping on thier crap shaw connections my speed doesnt bottom out.
Check out speedtest.net and you will find the average speed for telus in western canada in under 3mb, also as per topic title enjoy the $2 charge for going over the lower bandwidth cap which sucks, not to mention if you have their tv service then enjoy that shared connection for IPTV which will put your inet to 1.5mb sec. Dslforums also show the average 15mb telus line is around 12mb/s on that connection you can't have tv service with them for that faster speed. Not to mention contracts with all those stipulations. There are ways around congestion which can be solved with a quick phone call + cheaper price by halve
$80 an hour service call charges with telus is archaic though not to mention the massive packet shaping, torrent port blocking and so on.
Most companies are forward thinking in not charging you if you do go over the bandwidth cap, as things progress people will find the sting in their wallet and simply move on, when that time comes it is unfortunate they then find themselves in a contract with cost $100+ to get out of.
WOW you shaw reps really DO love to lie about the competition! amazing!
Actually it is my job, like for a living. I know all the competition inside out. I have had not one person quit to go elsewhere for any service for the past 6 mnths.
LOL so your one of those lame loyalty reps I spoke to when I canceled?? the one I spoke to was a useless just so you know, than the NEXT one I spoke to, as the first one hung up on me, didnt care one bit I was leaving, very poor service., and Shaw didnt seem to value my internet/television/or phone buisness one little bit.
1. Ive never been charged for a "service call" for my internet or phone.....ever
With home phone it is illegal for anyone in the country to put you in a contract. Telus also does stipulate in their ToS on their website about service calls, just like Bell with $75 p/h.
If you look closely at the ToS the cost for service calls is ONLY when the company visits the customers house in a contracting capacity to install inside wireing, which I know for a FACT shaw does as well (my uncle, the onle now thinking about leaving shaw to go BACK to telus was charged for inside COAX work in his home, new jacks and wireing, bluffed and called mate)
2. TELUS does not block Torrent ports, if they did I wouldnt be getting the great speeds I am.
They may not block all, that was not the intention, but their proxy system is different and some of the more popular ones are.
I dont think they block anything man, you obviously have no proof, and as a firsthand user and downloader, my speeds are great on well seeded torrents, more shaw smoke signals
3. Im useing Satellite TV with NO contract and its a WHOLE load cheaper than Shaw HD
Only Satellite in AB is Starchoice and Bell. The first doesn't put you in a contract the second does. Clearly states this on websites. Unless your in the 'grey market'.
Wrong again kiddo, I am with Bell, NOT in a contract with purchased equipment, and a DVR with a 1TB expansion drive....I can outrecord your crap shaw box 100's of times over. hilarious how little you know...
4. Im not in ANY contracts with Telus OR bell for TV, I paid for my equipment with Bell, just like shaw makes you, and telus gave me 15 meg inet for 25 bucks a month for a YEAR on MONTH TO MONTH with a free modem, and even after that im only going to be at 30.95 (less than shaw.
$25 is for the HS with telus, $51 for their 15mbit connection. After a year it goes to 30.95 (not 15mb connection.) Shaw = 19.95 for whole year on 15 mbit connection after that $33 for 7.5 = faster than telus Hs or $43 for shaw xtreme-i compared to $51 telus 15mbit. You also get 100g/b bandwidth with shaw and telus is.. way lower.
Did I say I was getting the website price for 15 meg? nope I was offered a WINBACK promo for the LIFE of my service, you must know what that is mister industry expert! LOL jokes
5. My phone service with telus is the SAME price as Shaws, 20.95 and 500% more reliable, IP telephony is CRAP, just ask the kid that died because his parents had comwave, and dont BS me about your "private ntework" its just as prone to connectivity issues as comwave, my aunt has had shaw phone for 2 years and they are just about fed up because at least once every two months they have a telephone outage... very poor product.
Ok so you enjoy being charged to be in the phonebook, directory assistance calls, E911 and between $1-$7 per feature lol. No hidden fees with shaw. Telus lost 66k phone cx in last 3 mnths, shaw gain 54k.
Uh you dont pay to be in the phone book for telus, this is what my bill says im reading as I type, 20.95 a month, there is a THIRTEEN cent 911 charge OOOH and guess why, as telus is the incumbant provider the government saddles them with that charge, telus custeomrs acctualy have to pay for the 911 service that Sahw customer use! thats a legislation issue that needs changing and I have a feeling once the CRTC see's that the playing field has been leveled, the fee will make it onto shaw bills as well kiddo. the 20.95 phone gives me everything I need call display and .4 a min LD.....the only other features I would need would be vm, and SHAW would charge me 5.95 to add that ot the 20.95 plan (I can look at a website too!!)
6. I probably double my Bandwidth cap every month with telus, you'll find they are alot more lienient than thier terms of service say, I've never even got letter, but I have friends that were CAPPED by Shaw for going over theres.
I speak with thousands of people who disagree every month.
Yes and all I need to know is one person that got capped by shaw personaly, and the fact that telus has never charged or capped me....hmmmm
7. Not that I have IPTC, but if you had ANY idea about how Telus IPTV works, they limit thier customers to 3 meg but they GET 3 meg, my buddy in dalhousie has Telus TV (which is about half the price of rapetastic shaw) and he still downloads at 350kbps WHILE watching tv, thanks for comeing out.
Cheaper price less channels. Simple math. only 1 hd tv allowed, your inet will slow down fact! Unlimited tvs in home with shaw. Faster inet because of no restrictions. Honestly I am more clued up here mate.
I think I acctualy managed to mention a REAL WORLD example of how the connection does not slow down, I know you seem to trust literature more than acctual evidence, I suppose thats up to you.
So what we learn here is that you dont spout your mouth off and try to MAKE yourself look smart, when in fact you have no sweet fing clue what your talking about. Shaw reps are TERRIBLE, I use to HATE calling thier customer service dept, and I was HELLA glad to tell them to shove the hell off.
Shame you didn't speak with me, I could of proved to you you're overpaying for a lesser product. Could of done a nice hdpvr 50% of what you have with bell too
Or that single tuner one with telus.
My Bell equipment is lightyears better than the crappola shaw PVR, did I mention the 1 TERRABYTE of storage?? LOL opps.
PS the avergae speed of internet most telus users have is 3 meg....no wonder thats what the speed test average is lol math and common sense are seriously lacking here. 3 meg is all MOST people need. we gamers might need more, but mom and dad webcamming with thier kids and emailing and brwsing youtube dont need anything faster....
PS. Check some of the towns out in AB, such as lethbridge, telus can't do 15mb in these area's which leaves their hs connection, and the average is still.... 2mb. Just like Red Deer / fort mac too. As you can see what I am on in my sig, telus is old news. welcome to the 100mb era.
Honesty I do my job well and have to be up to date on stuff. The prices you say don't match the advertised ones.
For anyone wondering about their inet and caps, also check the small print as you will often find you don't get what was advertised.
If you want a real chat then prob best to PM me.
As for the internet issue there are companies out there that charge you lots of money if you go over, I can't stress enough to check. Take Skeaser for ex. If he was with telus his internet bill for 1 month would be over $150 lol.
Doesn't matter who you are with so long as people know what is what and not something they were told as a chinese whisper.
When ppl lie through their teeth and I can see all the illegal torrent downloads it is very amusing.
Again ive at least doubled my bandwidth usage every month, no letter, no cap.......you love to quote a companies terms of service, yet you seem to have no real worl proof or evidence, yet I seem to have scads...hmmm sound like your typical Shaw rep....FEAR TELUS, lol pityful.
PS I see your not defending AoC, good move, that game is the PERFECT STORM of MMO crap.
PPS Im going to bed, I wasted WAY to much of my time argueing with ignorant, uninformed SHAW reps while I was a customer, and really, your slew of misinformation and arrogance just make me believe more and more I made the right decision, if I could "take the survey" on my conversation with you today, it would definately be a failing grade. Cheers son, and have fun with your telus fear mongering, and shaw fanboi'ism!
Good thing I don't live in USA where they have rediculous pricing for broadband, here in Sweden I pay 30€ for 100Mbit with no monthly cap. Bring on OnLive in 1080p I say!