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Season of the Murder-Suicide
popinjay
Member Posts: 6,539
Just watching the news about the latest murder/suicide mass killings. If you add the ones from 2008, this is really starting to become an epidemic.
They are happening for many reasons: Some people lost their jobs and went back to take revenge, some people were jilted and couldn't bear seeing their other with someone else, some people hate other race/religions, and some were just plain batshit. They all had lots of different reasons for killing a crapload of innocent people who wree just going about their daily business, but they all had one thing in common.
Guns.
Yes, if these people did not have guns, they probably would have still killed some folks but not as many and not as quickly without being taken down. Imagine a guy trying to kill 14 people with a Bowie knife? Or bludgeoning people in a civic center? Or trying to hammer to death a church full of people?
They wouldn't get too far... but if you see someone walk into a place where you are, open up a trenchcoat or duffel bag and they look like Arnold Swarzenegger from a scene in "Commando" or something, you are running for the hills if you are smart. The funny thing is, because these people go and randomly kill folks, MORE people run out and buy MORE guns, so now there is additional guns on the street. And the funny thing is, these people who are doing all these murdersues aren't the drugdealing, gangster Mafia, crazed bandit guys. They are exactly the typical 'law abiding citizen'. No record, had a job, wife, hubby, kids, PTA meeting, blah blah blah.
I swear, whenever I go to some place public in daylight, when I see minorities or someone come in with Middle Eastern dress I just go "meh". But then when I see a middle-aged, balding White male come in with a funny look on his face... I'm out of there, lol. Some shooters like this last Asian guy and the guy in NY years ago are minorities, but the vast overwhelming majority of wife/kid/public killers are White males. Now I'm not saying the police should do profiling like they do with suspected terrorists, or minorities while driving, or people near the Border. Heck, that would mean that most of the police in the U.S. would have to profile themselves, lol! But the guns should go, and we wouldn't have to worry about hurting people's feelings asking "What's under that trenchcoat, sir?"
Now I'm not one to trample on rights. But it is getting really ridiculous in the U.S. when someone's "constitutional rights" to own guns trample all over someone else's God given right to live. I really cannot understand why people continue to support this position that its wise to allow anyone to have guns just to have guns. I think it's time for the U.S. to come out of the barbarism age and joined the rest of modern thinking countries and ban firearms from civilian use.
Of course some of this is tongue-in-cheek above, but the part about banning guns... that's not a joke. It's 2009 for God's sake... and it's time.
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I don't own a gun and probably will never buy one. But that doesn't mean I don't want people to be able to have them if they want them. I agree that these people probably wouldn't be able to kill as many others if they didn't have the guns to begin with. But at the same time I can see the gun supporters side where if we all had guns on us these bastards also wouldn't be able to kill as many people because they'd be gunned down themselves by their intended victoms.
I'd like to see all the police in the Country issued assault rifles with hollow point bullets or whatever to go through the criminals body armor if they're wearing it. Hell, everyone should be walking around with an assualt rifle lol. There would probably be a lot less crime if they knew they could be blown away at any time by their intended victoms.
Sure accidents can happen, but they do anyway.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Spurred by a failing economy. Thanks Obama.
Are you serious?
You're 2-3 times as likely to be killed in a car wreck, more so if you are beween 15-25.
I live in and around Detroit and I have been shot at twice in my life now, so I bought a gun- I bought several. One bullet came so close I could feel the air move across my cheek and past my ear. I'm pretty sure my right to defend myself over-rules your right to a false sense of security.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
That's not our side. My angle is simple. In 2005 less than 13,000 people were killed by firearms in actual homicides, not suicides, not accidents, etc. That leaves very little room for legal gun owners who go postal, including the few who make it to the news, to produce numbers worth caring about.
There are way more things in this country which suddenly take the lives of a few thousand people every year.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Apparently we're responsible enough to own a device designed to kill other people quickly, but not responsible enough to decide what goes in our own body.
Makes sense........
I'm not for the banning of all guns. Just the ridiculous automatics that in the hands of a lunatic will kill a lot of people.
The Official God FAQ
Hollow-points are stopped by body armor. You need steel-jacket bullets to get through.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
I don't think anyone can give any examples of a person thwarting anyone who ever came in and blew away bunches of folks with guns by actually having the right to carry one. You are comparing someone going and legally buying guns, then shooting over 30 people to an "accident"? If anything has been proven with these people, it's that it was FAR from an accident. They planned ahead plenty of times, even sending notes to people or news agencies, brought tons of ammo, several types of guns and a lunch. These shootings are no accidents and no way you can compare the two.
The thing is that all the people who end up dead probably had the right to go and get a gun themselves, but there are lots of places you cannot legally bring guns (college campuses, casinos, government buildings, etc) so just having the right to carry a gun does not mean you would have stopped someone. I know for a fact that although students at the Virginia Tech massacre probably legally in Virginia had the right to apply for a gun permit, they would have been barred from actually bringing those very same legal guns to school into the classroom. So no one would have stopped that guy anyway. The only solution would have made it so that no one can have guns.
Hollow point bullets are designed that when they hit bodies, the round mushrooms out and spreads inside the body. This prevents the bullet (for the most part) of going through the body and hitting another civilian but also has the benefit of causing way more traumatic damage to flesh because the spread impact. This is why in most states, hollow point rounds are illegal for average non-law enforcement types to buy.
It still amazes me to this day how something like a gun can easily be bought by most anyone in the U.S. given the incredible amount of damage to change lives forever they possess, and yet something like a marijuana cigarette is illegal because- why again?
"TO MICHAEL!"
False sense of security? Lmao, you realize what you typed there is the epitome of that, right? You claim a bullet came whizzing by your face. And yet you have absolutely NO idea who shot it, where it came from and why. But yet you believe having a gun in your backpocket would have made you feel safer. So you ran out because of fear and no feeling of personal security and bought "several" guns as a result. (your own admission)
What model guns did you buy? The Patriot Missile Defense .357 and the .40 caliber Star Wars Defense? Able to shoot other bullets down in mid-air? How is being armed going to help you in the situation you described above? Are you some kind of crack shot or something?
Having two guns in your scenario would have done nothing; how you claim this as a justification is silly. You bought guns out of fear to allay your loss of security, but they made you no safer. Based on what you described above, you needed to purchase a flak jacket or lightweight bulletproof vest. A gun cannot stop another gun's bullets, especially if you have absolutely no clue where they came from.
If guns are illegal for everyone to own, and you make the laws stiff for having them (Life imprisonment, no parole) then how many 'criminals' do you think would still have them? Very few. But thanks for ignoring the topic and trying to make this about your fears of 'criminals' instead of law abiding citizens gunning down their fellow citizens. Nice try but you fell short.
"TO MICHAEL!"
You know what is sad. The children that catch the brunt of these very ill people. They did not deserve to ahve their life taken from them. If you know anyone that is seriously ill - go tell someone. Do not let this person harm someone else because of their illness. It is an illness - it is called depression and it can kill.
We can model it after the laws against drug posession. That has worked out quite well hasn't it? Nobody ever has drugs anymore, almost non-existant everywhere.
Nice try but you fell short?
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
False sense of security? Lmao, you realize what you typed there is the epitome of that, right? You claim a bullet came whizzing by your face. And yet you have absolutely NO idea who shot it, where it came from and why. But yet you believe having a gun in your backpocket would have made you feel safer. So you ran out because of fear and no feeling of personal security and bought "several" guns as a result. (your own admission)
What model guns did you buy? The Patriot Missile Defense .357 and the .40 caliber Star Wars Defense? Able to shoot other bullets down in mid-air? How is being armed going to help you in the situation you described above? Are you some kind of crack shot or something?
Having two guns in your scenario would have done nothing; how you claim this as a justification is silly. You bought guns out of fear to allay your loss of security, but they made you no safer. Based on what you described above, you needed to purchase a flak jacket or lightweight bulletproof vest. A gun cannot stop another gun's bullets, especially if you have absolutely no clue where they came from.
If guns are illegal for everyone to own, and you make the laws stiff for having them (Life imprisonment, no parole) then how many 'criminals' do you think would still have them? Very few. But thanks for ignoring the topic and trying to make this about your fears of 'criminals' instead of law abiding citizens gunning down their fellow citizens. Nice try but you fell short.
People can be put to death for killing another person and yet that doesn't deter them from committing murder now does it. In fact it doesn't even slow them down. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is not the answer. The answer is that people know these people and are around them and know how they are acting. In many of the mass killing suicides people were aware of the people acting differently. Look at the two guys from that high school shooting a few years back. People knew they were upto something...even the police had investigated them and yet they did not follow through and dig deeper. If they had and they should have they would have discovered the plans of the two boys and they slaughter that they committed could have been stopped.
Education and knowledge is a far better weapon than just slapping a law on the books telling people they cannot do this or they cannot do that. Laws never stopped anyone from doing anything they didn't want to do. But people, can stop people from harming others if they suspect the person maybe walking on the edge of a razor.
I don't think so, but let me try and explain it better because that's a pretty silly suggestion.
Current drug laws have relatively weak penalties. If you get caught with a bag of weed in NYC say, the cop takes it, empties it and tells you to get the hell out of there. If you get caught in Texas, one of the craziest places in the United States, you get a couple years (no more than two) for that same bag. Either way, those penalties aren't harsh enought to really deter anyone because of the acknowledgment that while it's illegal, its not really that serious. It's just weed, lol. The marijuana, cocaine or whatever usually only affects the individual USING that drug. Following me so far?
Now, both places again and someone has an ilegal gun. That can kill anyone. The penalties are stronger, but still no where near a deterrent for something that can kill innocent men, women and children. No way a cop is going to take your gun and kick you in the heinie and say scram. Because of.. why? Right, the severity of the illegal items threat to him and anyone else. These current laws are already on the books, but not enough beef in them. But thats besides the point, we are talking about making all guns illegal for anyone.
So, let's just stop beating around the bush. Make real laws for something this serious as owning any guns. Life imprisonment, no parole. Right away the amount of available guns goes south. Anyone providing guns that are later used in any time of crime gets not life, but give them something almost as tough. Maybe 25-30 years in prison with no parole for aiding and abetting. Since guns would be illegal (assuming we ban them) the person rightly knows that by providing guns to anyone, even if they are as scared as glockin said he was in his previous post, knows that he's commiting a serious felony and cannot fully account that glockin won't go and murder the new agers and their kids on their commune because they just don't like them.
Why would you want to model laws on something so serious and dangerous as guns, on a policy of weak and ineffective drug laws? That makes no sense Hazmal.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Of course laws don't stop anyone from doing anything they know is illegal. Look at what you typed in some of your past posts about getting blazed, baked and toasted, lol. Laws didn't stop you from doing that. Because you looked at the penalties and said "pffft... misdemeanor". And also because you really, really, really wanted to get high anyways. But unlike weed or whatever, you cannot grow your own guns.
The thing is that STRONG laws would stop most people from being able to have access to guns. The average person cannot make their own gun. So if you make guns illegal for all, the gunmakers list of weapons becomes much more controllable. Instead of making millions of guns (scary thought) every year, now they only make a couple hundred thousand due to available customers (no citizenry). Out of the guns available, only so many are given to people with a real need to have them now, not just yahoos who want to shoot plates in their backyards. Law enforcement types easily trackable. Make these guns tagged with something more meaty than our current weaksauce "file off the serial number" bullshit we have now. So when just one of these guns is found after a fiasco, the trail is clear to everyone involved. Put every last one of those people in jail for a good, long time who made it possible for it to happen. Trust me if someone was just making money passing them, they would seriously think twice risking life with NO parole for a couple of bucks. We can do this with pharmacutical over-the-counter drugs or money from an insider trading scheme, but not handguns or rifles? I simply don't believe that.
I think you are assuming above, that no one in these cases has ever been reported. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary with this. Look at the Virgina Tech shooting. That kid was reported by students AND teachers for behaviour and that is a fact. But yet he was still able to walk out and purchase several guns while obviously unstable. The guy in NY on the train was already IN the system and on meds before he went and bought a legal gun and killed those people on the train. The Columbine kids didn't buy the guns.. their PARENTS did legally and they stole them. Point is, lots of these people have been reported, but they still had access to guns. In some cases, people who reported them got shot first, by the very same people they reported to authorities and agencies. Reporting solves nothing when they still have access to the gun.
Now if the law was illegal for private citizens to own guns, these people never would have had access in the first place. They'd just be unstable individuals. For most of the others, they just "snapped". Some had no friends or family, so how do you report those guys and have it taken seriously?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Of course laws don't stop anyone from doing anything they know is illegal. Look at what you typed in some of your past posts about getting blazed, baked and toasted, lol. Laws didn't stop you from doing that. Because you looked at the penalties and said "pffft... misdemeanor". And also because you really, really, really wanted to get high anyways. But unlike weed or whatever, you cannot grow your own guns.
The thing is that STRONG laws would stop most people from being able to have access to guns. The average person cannot make their own gun. So if you make guns illegal for all, the gunmakers list of weapons because more more controllable. Instead of making millions of guns (scary thought) every year, now they only make a couple hundred thousand due to available customers (no citizenry). Out of the guns available, only so many are given to people with a real need to have them now, not just yahoos who want to shoot plates in their backyards. Law enforcement types easily trackable. Make these guns tagged with something more meaty than our current weaksauce "file off the serial number" bullshit we have now. So when just one of these guns is found after a fiasco, the trail is clear to everyone involved. Put every last one of those people in jail for a good, long time who made it possible for it to happen. Trust me if someone was just making money passing them, they would seriously think twice risking life with NO parole for a couple of bucks. We can do this with pharmacutical over-the-counter drugs or money from an insider trading scheme, but not handguns or rifles? I simply don't believe that.
I think you are assuming above, that no one in these cases has ever been reported. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary with this. Look at the Virgina Tech shooting. That kid was reported by students AND teachers for behaviour and that is a fact. But yet he was still able to walk out and purchase several guns while obviously unstable. The guy in NY on the train was already IN the system and on meds before he went and bought a legal gun and killed those people on the train. The Columbine kids didn't buy the guns.. their PARENTS did legally and they stole them. Point is, lots of these people have been reported, but they still had access to guns. In some cases, people who reported them got shot first, by the very same people they reported to authorities and agencies. Reporting solves nothing when they still have access to the gun.
Now if the law was illegal for private citizens to own guns, these people never would have had access in the first place. They'd just be unstable individuals. For most of the others, they just "snapped". Some had no friends or family, so how do you report those guys and have it taken seriously?
Outlawing guns is not the answer. Period. You can sit there and tell me how outlawing guns is the answer but you are talking to a person that owns guns and I'll be damn if anyone is goingto take them away. Got it!
http://townhall.com/Columnists/AnnCoulter/2009/04/08/lets_all_surrender_our_weapons_--_you_first!?page=full&comments=true
The rash of recent shooting incidents has led people who wouldn't know an AK-47 from a paintball gun to issue demands for more restrictions on guns. To be sure, it's hard to find any factor in these shootings that could be responsible -- other than the gun.
So far, this year's public multiple shootings were committed by:
-- Richard Poplawski, 23, product of a broken family, expelled from high school and dishonorably discharged from the Marines, who killed three policemen in Pittsburgh.
-- Former crack addict Jiverly Wong, 41, who told co-workers "America sucks" yet somehow was not offered a job as a speechwriter for Barack Obama, who blockaded his victims in a civic center in Binghamton, N.Y., and shot as many people as he could, before killing himself.
-- Robert Stewart, 45, a three-time divorcee and high school dropout with "violent tendencies" -- according to one of his ex-wives -- who shot up the nursing home in Carthage, N.C., where his newly estranged wife worked.
-- Lovelle Mixon, 26, a paroled felon, struggling to get his life back on track by pimping, who shot four cops in Oakland, Calif. -- before eventually being shot himself.
-- Twenty-eight-year-old Michael McLendon, child of divorce, living with his mother and boycotting family funerals because he hated his relatives, who killed 10 of those relatives and their neighbors in Samson, Ala.
It might make more sense to outlaw men than guns. Or divorce. Or crack. Or to prohibit felons from having guns. Except we already outlaw crack and felons owning guns and yet still, somehow, Wong got crack and Mixon got a gun.
After being pulled over for a routine traffic violation, Lovelle Mixon did exactly what they teach in driver's ed by immediately shooting four cops. Mixon's supporters held a posthumous rally in his honor, claiming he shot the cops only in "self-defense," which I take it includes the cop Mixon shot while the officer was lying on the ground.
I guess Mixon also raped that 12-year-old girl in "self-defense." Clearly, the pimping industry has lost a good man. I wish I'd known him. I tip my green velvet fedora with the dollar signs all over it to him. Why do the good ones always die young? Pimps, I mean.
Liberals tolerate rallies on behalf of cop-killers, but they prohibit law-abiding citizens working at community centers in Binghamton, N.Y., from being armed to defend themselves from disturbed, crack-addicted America-haters like Jiverly Wong.
It's something in liberals' DNA: They think they can pass a law eliminating guns and nuclear weapons, but teenagers having sex is completely beyond our control.
The demand for more gun control in response to any crime involving a gun is exactly like Obama's response to North Korea's openly belligerent act of launching a long-range missile this week: Obama leapt to action by calling for worldwide nuclear disarmament.
If the SAT test were used to determine how stupid a liberal is, one question would be: "The best defense against lawless rogues who possess _______ is for law-abiding individuals to surrender their own _______________."
Correct answer: Guns. We would also have accepted nuclear weapons.
Obama explained that "the United States has a moral responsibility" to lead disarmament efforts because America is "the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon."
So don't go feeling all morally superior to a country whose business model consists of exporting heroin, nuclear bombs and counterfeit U.S. dollars, and of importing Swedish prostitutes, you yahoo Americans with your little flag lapel pins.
On the other hand, the Japanese haven't acted up much in the last, say, 64 years ...
Fortunately, our sailors didn't wait around for Obama to save them when Somali pirates boarded their ship this week. Stop right now or I'll ask the U.N. to remind the "international community" that "the U.S. is not at war with Somali pirates."
Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate.
Police -- whom I gather liberals intend to continue having guns -- and intrepid U.N. resolution drafters can't be everywhere, all the time.
If a single civilian in that Binghamton community center had been armed, instead of 14 dead, there might have only been one or two -- including the shooter. In the end, the cops didn't stop Wong. His killing spree ended only when he decided to stop, and he killed himself.
"The shooter will eventually run out of ammo" strategy may not be the best one for stopping deranged multiple murderers.
But it's highly unlikely that any community center in the entire state would be safe from a disturbed former crack-addict like Wong because New York's restrictive gun laws require a citizen to prove he has a need for a gun to obtain a concealed carry permit.
Instead of having Planned Parenthood distribute condoms in schools, they ought get the NRA to pass out revolvers. It would save more lives.
Actually, outlawing guns IS the best answer to severely limit these types of tragedies. It's just not an answer some people would live with at present, so we say things like we should talk to the crazy and understand their feelings or something nutty. Yeah, we should talk to them, but how about not putting guns for open sale so they can get them in the first place? Besides, you never know if the person applying for permits or sales is "crazy" anyways until after the fact. The only SURE way to limit this stuff is to make it a non-issue.. getting rid of guns.
You do realize that all it takes for a shift in gun laws in this country is for the right people's kids or relatives to be gunned down by some whackjob like the rest of the average citizenry, right? If Congressman Patriot's son/daughter was gunned down by freak luck like anyone else, we'd have changes tomorrow.
Why do you think crack cocaine penalties went through the roof? Because White kids from the suburbs starting popping up strung out, that's why. When they realized who was selling and making the crack cocaine, Bingo! Strong crack cocaine laws, continued weak powder cocaine laws. Same thing will happen with guns if the wrong people get blasted unfortunately.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Don't forget last year's list.
Also, don't forget to add the vast majority of the murdersues that happened. It's nice that you only chose a few, because I realize that due to the sheer volume and spikes in these types of shootings, it's just WAY too many to list.
That in itself should tell you this is not a liberal/conservative argument. How you can put a growing public safety matter regarding actual lives and boil it down to a simple "Liberal vs Conservative" argument speaks volumes to your mindset. You'd like to make this about fun and games and "Us against Them"... typical.
You'd be the first one on my gun ban list.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Sarcasm, head, over. Nevermind.
Rehashing the gun argument will create the same answer as before, not going to happen. Not the "take them all away" argument anyway. Even if my some small miracle it did, how are you going to get rid of what is currently out there? House to house shakedowns? Yeah, that inspires much needed government confidence.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
If we don't have shakedowns over steroids, which were all of a sudden banned as illegal in the U.S. in most cases, why would you assume there'd be a shakedown on guns?
If it's all legit, just look up the sales records and send notices to folks to voluntarily turn in their now illegal arms for the same amount of money they purchased it for? Doesn't sound unreasonable or facist to me. Anmesty to a point because if they did this, it would be well publicized and all citizens would be aware of it. Hell, this would make international news as we would finally achieve their level of sanity regarding gun control, lol.
Its just an "rehashed old argument" until the right (or wrong) person dies. Then it becomes a national crusade and a "War on Guns", complete with slogans, bumper stickers and flag-waving patriots.
The strange thing about this is I bet if we could ask all the people who just died in NY including the gunman, do they think we should have national gun control and ban firearms, I bet without a doubt that the only person saying "No ban on guns" and agreeing with you would be the shooter. I seriously doubt the victims or any of their families would be lining up with your philosphy to save gun rights.
I really wonder how you reconcile yourself nightly knowing you share the exact same philosphy in general as a criminal, deranged lunatic, or terrorist regarding the nation's gun laws, by claiming to protect yourself from these very same people.
Irony in its tastiest, most juicest form.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I see this murder-suicide coverage on the news networks a little different than some people. In my opinion people are dying and getting killed all over the world but the US media is obsessed with death and negativity. If they think they can get higher ratings they will cherry pick news stories mainly about deaths, shootings, vehicle crashes, neighborhood crimes, or whatever the popular way some people are killing each other this week. This and their assumption that I give a shit about celebrity gossip.
This is why I hardly ever watch the evening news or any other "popular" news channel. I just can't let myself get worked up about all the negative energy these news agencies pump out every day. I have more important things going on in my life to worry about some celebrity break up or someone killing people. The only thing I might tune in for is the weather report. Anything else to me feels like fear mongering and irrelevant distractions. Its like every time a suicide murder happens a news executive gets a raise. They foam at the mouth with fascination of death.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Hollow-points are stopped by body armor. You need steel-jacket bullets to get through.
Ah I didn't know that. I don't really know that much about the different types of guns or the ammo, but I do enjoy the first person shooter games. And I sure as hell don't think those games or heavy metal music and violence on tv or movies is what drives people to kill other people. Those people are bat shit crazy.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
But wait, I thought it was an erroneous comparison, when I used drugs as an example? You can't possibly compare steroids to guns can you? Your proposed punishment of life in prison applies to steroids now?
Leaps and bounds to get those straws.
The "right" people being whom? It sounds like you are one of those that blame everything on the "elitists", woe is me the common man, I can do nothing to improve my situation or change my world.
I reconcile myself over and over each night to an assault rifle and barrels of bullets. Sometimes as many as four reconciliations a night. In actuality, I don't even own a gun; but I loathe little fascists like yourself trying to tell me how to live my life.
Keep the juicy self-gratification to yourself.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
I don't think anyone can give any examples of a person thwarting anyone who ever came in and blew away bunches of folks with guns by actually having the right to carry one. You are comparing someone going and legally buying guns, then shooting over 30 people to an "accident"? If anything has been proven with these people, it's that it was FAR from an accident. They planned ahead plenty of times, even sending notes to people or news agencies, brought tons of ammo, several types of guns and a lunch. These shootings are no accidents and no way you can compare the two.
The thing is that all the people who end up dead probably had the right to go and get a gun themselves, but there are lots of places you cannot legally bring guns (college campuses, casinos, government buildings, etc) so just having the right to carry a gun does not mean you would have stopped someone. I know for a fact that although students at the Virginia Tech massacre probably legally in Virginia had the right to apply for a gun permit, they would have been barred from actually bringing those very same legal guns to school into the classroom. So no one would have stopped that guy anyway. The only solution would have made it so that no one can have guns.
Hollow point bullets are designed that when they hit bodies, the round mushrooms out and spreads inside the body. This prevents the bullet (for the most part) of going through the body and hitting another civilian but also has the benefit of causing way more traumatic damage to flesh because the spread impact. This is why in most states, hollow point rounds are illegal for average non-law enforcement types to buy.
It still amazes me to this day how something like a gun can easily be bought by most anyone in the U.S. given the incredible amount of damage to change lives forever they possess, and yet something like a marijuana cigarette is illegal because- why again?
No I don't mean those people going nuts and killing people was an accident. I mean accidents happen where kids get the guns and kill their friends and such. That type of thing.
I realize people can't carry firearms into all places. The criminals and crazy people will still get their hands on the guns though even if they were banned. I don't have the answers to this problem though.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Ah I didn't know that. I don't really know that much about the different types of guns or the ammo, but I do enjoy the first person shooter games. And I sure as hell don't think those games or heavy metal music and violence on tv or movies is what drives people to kill other people. Those people are bat shit crazy.
Just an FYI for when you do eventually go mad, you'll have to deal with those pesky armor-wearing officers sooner or later.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
Ah I didn't know that. I don't really know that much about the different types of guns or the ammo, but I do enjoy the first person shooter games. And I sure as hell don't think those games or heavy metal music and violence on tv or movies is what drives people to kill other people. Those people are bat shit crazy.
Just an FYI for when you do eventually go mad, you'll have to deal with those pesky armor-wearing officers sooner or later.
Lol I'll keep it in mind.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.