According to fanboy logic this doesn't matter. Since the whole world is not "zoned" it shouldn't matter as long as they are not all on the same screen. Distance should not matter as long as everyone is not on the same screen. Your logic fails.
Just giving you a heads up, but there are zones. They are set up a lot like Vanguard, they are invisible, but you'll notice a small freeze when youc cross them.
Does it really matter wtf the server infrastructure is. I was in the battle, it worked and it was fun. I hopped in a raft with 5 guildmates and rode an hour and a half up there to see what the commotion was about and it was pretty bad ass. Honestly I dont care how the server makes it happen and don't wanna know. I have enough to worry about in my life..
2000 people is doable. When you have a handful of features, and a shallow combat system. Games with more features, and more complex combat mechanics have to give up large numbers to support them. Its give and take.
The only thing the Darkfall server has to keep track of is player position, and flat damage rates.
and your experience in actual Darkfall combat or battle is..?.
Pretty sure we both know he has already admitted to never playing the game, yet he seems to pretend like he knows the inner working of the Darkfall server infrastructure.
I don't pretend anything. What i said was completely true. I know how games, and client servers work, to a point. Darkfall is able to support so many players because its features are shallow, and not much data other than player position and a hand full of features, such as "Swing one", "Swing two" and "Magic ball" are part of the net traffic (Even that is debateable to be handled server side, so the server are just relays to clients) during combat (with exceptions that im not going to list here, but things like atachments to rafts...etc..). I never claimed to know the inner working, but its quite evident by ANYONE with any sort of knowledge this is the case.
Even the entire guild system is out of game and hosted in a web server.
Bottom line, with shallow features, and a server cluster, yeah, 2k is doable. Like i said, its a game of give and take. Please stop acting like i'm talking bad about your retarded children or something, god, the zealotry is thick.
Vince_G is correct, to users IT DOSN'T MATTER. However, i enjoy discussing such things, but in no way am i going to say that what Darkfall has done is amazing, its just a side affect of a shallow design, and what i would hope, careful planing.
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I was in the battle, it worked and it was fun. I hopped in a raft with 5 guildmates and rode an hour and a half up there to see what the commotion was about and it was pretty bad ass. Honestly I dont care how the server makes it happen and don't wanna know. I have enough to worry about in my life..
YOU ROCK. Thank you for providing one of the few logical and sensible posts served up Darkfall General in weeks.
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No that's 2000 people in a small area, like a whole WoW server. There are 8000 other people milling about in other parts of the world.
I'm sorry, I don't go around tossing this out that often, but you're a fucking moron.
The census mod only checks how many are online on that particular faction.
On a server that had high load, not full, when I ran census mod, I saw 2k on Horde. That does NOT count alliance. I believe their server capacity is around 5000 people.
People need to stop trying to compare DF to WoW. DF will never be as successful as WoW, get over it.
WoW has suckered too many people, no MMO will ever come close to being as successful as WoW unless its another MMO made my Blizzard.
Then again, DF has suckered a lot of people as well.
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Hah 2000 person battle. Does anyone actually believe that Darkfall has 2000 total subs. They must be counting people playing other games as part of this battle.
Pretty cool that their entire paying subscriber base was in this battle! Here's to continually talking about a game that has about:
.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the MMO player base! Cheers!
(Or if you want to be truly accurate about: .00066666667 % of the MMO crowd)
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
If your so worried about people talking about this game that apparently has such a small player base then why are you posting here?
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
Pretty cool that their entire paying subscriber base was in this battle! Here's to continually talking about a game that has about:
.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the MMO player base! Cheers!
(Or if you want to be truly accurate about: .00066666667 % of the MMO crowd)
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
If your so worried about people talking about this game that apparently has such a small player base then why are you posting here?
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
Hehe, you are right it is absurd. But Darkfall is not the normal EQ/WOW clone. In the last 30 minutes I have shut down the game twice in anger, just to smile a few minutes later and start over. The full loot and playerkillers really put a different flavour on a mmo.
Pretty cool that their entire paying subscriber base was in this battle! Here's to continually talking about a game that has about:
.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the MMO player base! Cheers!
(Or if you want to be truly accurate about: .00066666667 % of the MMO crowd)
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
If your so worried about people talking about this game that apparently has such a small player base then why are you posting here?
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
Pretty cool that their entire paying subscriber base was in this battle! Here's to continually talking about a game that has about:
.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % of the MMO player base! Cheers!
(Or if you want to be truly accurate about: .00066666667 % of the MMO crowd)
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
If your so worried about people talking about this game that apparently has such a small player base then why are you posting here?
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
yet here YOU are posting about it.
lol....wow...intellect....
Interested parties in the MMO community will often view and post on games that are heavily hyped....even if it is the 200 of you DF fanbois....I want to like it...believe me
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
If you're refering to the eve numbers, it is true.
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
If you're refering to the eve numbers, it is true.
EVE Online also has the benefit of a far more discrete system lending itself to easy "chunking". Perhaps as a result of this, perhaps not, they can readily assign more server "chunks" to areas of high activity. I doubt Darkfall has this ability (yet).
As to the argument over whether a 2k person battle is a laudable accomplishment or not, there are just too many considerations to, well.... consider. For what the system lacks in variety of attacks and in passive block rates vs attack power and etc, it likely makes up for it in the fields of strength/weapon type vs specific armor defenses, xyz (or non-character based) targeting, crafter-created item individuality, and more.
To say that there is some possible shortage of relevant information to be transmitted from client to server to client on the basis that combat is too simple seems, to me, to not be seeing the forest for the trees.
As to the argument over whether a 2k person battle is a laudable accomplishment or not, there are just too many considerations
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
As to the argument over whether a 2k person battle is a laudable accomplishment or not, there are just too many considerations
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
2000 people blindly left clicking on one another until on or the other dies. I sense something terrible has happened
Additionally, not a single one of those 2000 people had FRAPS on ? I'd say is this a very late April Fools but since most of DF development and launch was one giant April fools...
As to the argument over whether a 2k person battle is a laudable accomplishment or not, there are just too many considerations
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
Imo, the whole lingering on the "2000" figure is being shortsighted at best, and assuming that AV has threaded new ground is downright idiotic. If it indeed were MULTIPLE battles, then no, there's nothing revolutionnary, as im sure there are more than 2000 people battling it out on a single WoW server datacenter. If it is in a single battle, then how complex is the combat, and how much stuff is happening? If its just a half a dozen effects being exchanged then it just comes down to a trade-off between combat complexity and re-creating epic (read shallow) battles a-la 300.
The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.
2000 people blindly left clicking on one another until on or the other dies. I sense something terrible has happened Additionally, not a single one of those 2000 people had FRAPS on ? I'd say is this a very late April Fools but since most of DF development and launch was one giant April fools...
This is the really amazing part. Out of those 2000 people which were probably watched by the devs.. none of them made a video of it? All we get are the 300, 500 and now 2000 person fights posted about here on the forums. But whenever you see a movie from the game, it is about 20v20 tops. I have not seen anything that even looks as populated as an WOW AV movie I could make every 30 mins.
My guess is they had some pretty serious fights going on, and the devs checked the numbers and there were 2000 people online at the same time.. so another 'near truth' was told by Tasos... similar to 'we will never miss a launch date' or the 'game is feature complete already'. Honestly, how does anyone believe anything he says after those comments.
2000 people blindly left clicking on one another until on or the other dies. I sense something terrible has happened Additionally, not a single one of those 2000 people had FRAPS on ? I'd say is this a very late April Fools but since most of DF development and launch was one giant April fools...
This is the really amazing part. Out of those 2000 people which were probably watched by the devs.. none of them made a video of it? All we get are the 300, 500 and now 2000 person fights posted about here on the forums. But whenever you see a movie from the game, it is about 20v20 tops. I have not seen anything that even looks as populated as an WOW AV movie I could make every 30 mins.
My guess is they had some pretty serious fights going on, and the devs checked the numbers and there were 2000 people online at the same time.. so another 'near truth' was told by Tasos... similar to 'we will never miss a launch date' or the 'game is feature complete already'. Honestly, how does anyone believe anything he says after those comments.
The darkfall servers prob hold a shitload more people then wow servers. the entire game of darkfall was made for that. Wow decided against 2k works for them.
Non of those sieges are 20 vs 20. You might only count 20 but their is alot of stuff happening in areas off the screen. People are not going to all line up for a photo shoot so you can count. Most of the sieges I have been were in the 100s and they happen rather commonly.
I really do not know about the 2000 thing. hyperion can muster alot of people so it could be possible and if 2 nieghboring cities or more were getting sieged then ti is definitely possible,
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Just giving you a heads up, but there are zones. They are set up a lot like Vanguard, they are invisible, but you'll notice a small freeze when youc cross them.
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Does it really matter wtf the server infrastructure is. I was in the battle, it worked and it was fun. I hopped in a raft with 5 guildmates and rode an hour and a half up there to see what the commotion was about and it was pretty bad ass. Honestly I dont care how the server makes it happen and don't wanna know. I have enough to worry about in my life..
and your experience in actual Darkfall combat or battle is..?.
Pretty sure we both know he has already admitted to never playing the game, yet he seems to pretend like he knows the inner working of the Darkfall server infrastructure.
I don't pretend anything. What i said was completely true. I know how games, and client servers work, to a point. Darkfall is able to support so many players because its features are shallow, and not much data other than player position and a hand full of features, such as "Swing one", "Swing two" and "Magic ball" are part of the net traffic (Even that is debateable to be handled server side, so the server are just relays to clients) during combat (with exceptions that im not going to list here, but things like atachments to rafts...etc..). I never claimed to know the inner working, but its quite evident by ANYONE with any sort of knowledge this is the case.
Even the entire guild system is out of game and hosted in a web server.
Bottom line, with shallow features, and a server cluster, yeah, 2k is doable. Like i said, its a game of give and take. Please stop acting like i'm talking bad about your retarded children or something, god, the zealotry is thick.
Vince_G is correct, to users IT DOSN'T MATTER. However, i enjoy discussing such things, but in no way am i going to say that what Darkfall has done is amazing, its just a side affect of a shallow design, and what i would hope, careful planing.
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How are you?" -Me
YOU ROCK.
Thank you for providing one of the few logical and sensible posts served up Darkfall General in weeks.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
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I'm sorry, I don't go around tossing this out that often, but you're a fucking moron.
The census mod only checks how many are online on that particular faction.
On a server that had high load, not full, when I ran census mod, I saw 2k on Horde. That does NOT count alliance. I believe their server capacity is around 5000 people.
People need to stop trying to compare DF to WoW. DF will never be as successful as WoW, get over it.
WoW has suckered too many people, no MMO will ever come close to being as successful as WoW unless its another MMO made my Blizzard.
Then again, DF has suckered a lot of people as well.
lol you belive all the shit tasos says?
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
Im going to sell you a dream.
lol you belive all the shit tasos says?
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Hah 2000 person battle. Does anyone actually believe that Darkfall has 2000 total subs. They must be counting people playing other games as part of this battle.
I do...and the Easter Bunny is my dad!!
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Hehe, you are right it is absurd. But Darkfall is not the normal EQ/WOW clone. In the last 30 minutes I have shut down the game twice in anger, just to smile a few minutes later and start over. The full loot and playerkillers really put a different flavour on a mmo.
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
yet here YOU are posting about it.
A) DO you play Darkfall? If you did you would know that the battle was only a fraction of the player base.
What does my playing Darkfall have to do with the subscription numbers >10,000 vs. the amount of people playing MMOs? I have to play it to confirm they have less than 10K? That is well known. And as such, I'm sick of seeing it on every other topic on these boards. This has to have the lowest overall pop of any current MMO on the market, in yet it is talked about CONSTANTLY........its absurd really.
exactly...
and the fact that you DF players have sooooooo many posts about your non played gamed.....sums it up for us
stop trying to tell us how cool it is....you and your DF emo PvP fanbois...just play....not post...we'll all be happy
yet here YOU are posting about it.
lol....wow...intellect....
Interested parties in the MMO community will often view and post on games that are heavily hyped....even if it is the 200 of you DF fanbois....I want to like it...believe me
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Don't slow it down. Keep it going. DFO drama posts are great entertainment when I'm bored.
I love DFO.
You're dumb, I hate DFO
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lol you belive all the shit tasos says?
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
If you're refering to the eve numbers, it is true.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1025006
Local in the system was reported at 1450, so the numbers are unbiased.
The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.
lol you belive all the shit tasos says?
he claim the game was ready, feature complete ect. we all know hes one big ass liar. regardless if you play the game or not. on the fourms they mention of a big battle but it was spread out doesnt mean that in 1 area 2000 people were crammed up in 1 spot killing eachother .
Eve is the only game that had reported a battle of 1400 people. 1400 ships in the same area pounding them selves to death, they were not spread out.
If we go by the crap tasos said that means in ever they have over 4000 to 5000 player battles a day that is if you spread it out all on 1 server.
wow....just wow....
this is ot possible....in any MMO....I need proof
If you're refering to the eve numbers, it is true.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1025006
Local in the system was reported at 1450, so the numbers are unbiased.
ok...I believe that one....that game at least has a solid network....as far as I have seen
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
EVE Online also has the benefit of a far more discrete system lending itself to easy "chunking". Perhaps as a result of this, perhaps not, they can readily assign more server "chunks" to areas of high activity. I doubt Darkfall has this ability (yet).
As to the argument over whether a 2k person battle is a laudable accomplishment or not, there are just too many considerations to, well.... consider. For what the system lacks in variety of attacks and in passive block rates vs attack power and etc, it likely makes up for it in the fields of strength/weapon type vs specific armor defenses, xyz (or non-character based) targeting, crafter-created item individuality, and more.
To say that there is some possible shortage of relevant information to be transmitted from client to server to client on the basis that combat is too simple seems, to me, to not be seeing the forest for the trees.
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
Well said. On all counts.
2000 people blindly left clicking on one another until on or the other dies. I sense something terrible has happened
Additionally, not a single one of those 2000 people had FRAPS on ? I'd say is this a very late April Fools but since most of DF development and launch was one giant April fools...
The argument isnt whether its laudable, its whether its true.
Tasos claims 2000 people in A (singular) battle.
The players, including someone who has the devs ear (although he should probably give it back really, they need to listen to the playerbase real quick and it may help) , claim their were 2000 people in battles (plural) across the server.
The second is entirely feasible. The world is large and zones are segregated into quite a few server clusters.
The first is PR spin at best, another outright lie at worst.
Its akin to claiming 6 million player battles on WoW every night because half the population play on PvP servers.
Imo, the whole lingering on the "2000" figure is being shortsighted at best, and assuming that AV has threaded new ground is downright idiotic. If it indeed were MULTIPLE battles, then no, there's nothing revolutionnary, as im sure there are more than 2000 people battling it out on a single WoW server datacenter. If it is in a single battle, then how complex is the combat, and how much stuff is happening? If its just a half a dozen effects being exchanged then it just comes down to a trade-off between combat complexity and re-creating epic (read shallow) battles a-la 300.
The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.
This is the really amazing part. Out of those 2000 people which were probably watched by the devs.. none of them made a video of it? All we get are the 300, 500 and now 2000 person fights posted about here on the forums. But whenever you see a movie from the game, it is about 20v20 tops. I have not seen anything that even looks as populated as an WOW AV movie I could make every 30 mins.
My guess is they had some pretty serious fights going on, and the devs checked the numbers and there were 2000 people online at the same time.. so another 'near truth' was told by Tasos... similar to 'we will never miss a launch date' or the 'game is feature complete already'. Honestly, how does anyone believe anything he says after those comments.
This is the really amazing part. Out of those 2000 people which were probably watched by the devs.. none of them made a video of it? All we get are the 300, 500 and now 2000 person fights posted about here on the forums. But whenever you see a movie from the game, it is about 20v20 tops. I have not seen anything that even looks as populated as an WOW AV movie I could make every 30 mins.
My guess is they had some pretty serious fights going on, and the devs checked the numbers and there were 2000 people online at the same time.. so another 'near truth' was told by Tasos... similar to 'we will never miss a launch date' or the 'game is feature complete already'. Honestly, how does anyone believe anything he says after those comments.
The darkfall servers prob hold a shitload more people then wow servers. the entire game of darkfall was made for that. Wow decided against 2k works for them.
Non of those sieges are 20 vs 20. You might only count 20 but their is alot of stuff happening in areas off the screen. People are not going to all line up for a photo shoot so you can count. Most of the sieges I have been were in the 100s and they happen rather commonly.
I really do not know about the 2000 thing. hyperion can muster alot of people so it could be possible and if 2 nieghboring cities or more were getting sieged then ti is definitely possible,