After 80 votes, 71% considers namecalling not offensive...it's a sad world we live in.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
Read my post again and make sure you read and reread the red text again and again untill you see how stupid your reply was.
After 80 votes, 71% considers namecalling not offensive...it's a sad world we live in.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
This is exactly the problem I see in many that have yet to mature.. I could care less about name calling.. Call someone and idiot all you want.. call them a dummy.. but there is NO excuse to call them retarded.. The problem is you are insulting and put down a group of people that have a disability.. Obviously too many posting don't see their own flaws when degrading someone or a group of people because of a medical condition.. I personally find it appalling and uncalled for.. People with disabilities are PEOPLE and deserve the same respect as you and I.. They did NOTHING to you to justify their medical condition being the butt of an insult..
You want to insult someone.. go for it.. you want to name call someone an idiot.. go for it.. However, as I said before there is NO mature excuse or reasoning in degrading people with disabilities and using them as an example to an insult.. I would guess that many that feel there is nothing wrong with calling people retarded have NEVER been around people with disabilities, and probably try to avoid them at all cost.. As I see it.. those are the one with the TRUE problem..
Prejudice is Prejudice.. rather it be racial, sexual or medical.. tisk tisk
I've got no problem with calling someone a name when he acts like an idiot.
However, I do have a problem with two things. Firstly, quite often the word "huntard" is used indiscriminately to refer to any hunter. For example I've seen the following "LF 1M botanica, huntard or mage". I actually confronted the guy who said that in game, and pointed out to him that if he was asking for huntards, then that's all he'd be likely to get...
And secondly, most of the people who say "playing a hunter is easy" are clueless. Hunters are easy to do basic stuff and to farm with. However, for much of the TBC period, playing a hunter well was, significantly harder than getting the most out of many other DPS classes. Trying to chain trap, manage shot rotation, kite, watch the pet and protect the healer are all things a good hunter had to worry about every instance, whilst for a mage it was a case of sheep, nuke, sheep, nuke add-infinitum, and many other DPS seldom had to do much more in combat than just nuke (yes - I know good players could do things like use blind or frost nova intelligently, but no one expected such things). Also, when a hunter screws-up it's simply more obvious than screw-ups by many other classes. Mages can re-sheep when stuff goes wrong. Hunters can't re-trap nearly so easily.
Then again - in Wotlk, as long as you know how to nuke properly, every instance is easy-mode for any DPS, including hunters.
And btw - in my opinion keeping pets on passive is overrated. Yes - everyone has a story about how a pet caused a wipe. But that very seldom happens with a decent hunter who knows how to watch his pet carefully. Switching between defensive and passive as needed can result in significantly more pet DPS than leaving it on defensive all the time. It's also a fraction faster to recall a defensive pet from combat (one click as opposed to two), which can be very important when trying to keep it alive and faced with deadly AoEs.
Offensive? No. Just indicitive of the type of people who play this game. Those who like to toss the term around and those who are the target (terrible players).
After 80 votes, 71% considers namecalling not offensive...it's a sad world we live in.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
I apologize if my stance comes across callous or ignorant. I honestly just don't see getting hit in the face in real life and getting called a 'huntard' in a video game as being on the same level. One is physical and personal, and the other is the lunatic ravings of an anonymous internet geek in a computer game.
I regularly play the 'huntard' class in MMOs, so I am used to being regularly amused by over-sensitive eRagers that have some deep-rooted issue with the fact that I'm playing in 'easy mode' or whatever their gripe that week is with my hunter/ranger/scout/whatever.
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After 80 votes, 71% considers namecalling not offensive...it's a sad world we live in.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
This is exactly the problem I see in many that have yet to mature.. I could care less about name calling.. Call someone and idiot all you want.. call them a dummy.. but there is NO excuse to call them retarded.. The problem is you are insulting and put down a group of people that have a disability.. Obviously too many posting don't see their own flaws when degrading someone or a group of people because of a medical condition.. I personally find it appalling and uncalled for.. People with disabilities are PEOPLE and deserve the same respect as you and I.. They did NOTHING to you to justify their medical condition being the butt of an insult..
You want to insult someone.. go for it.. you want to name call someone an idiot.. go for it.. However, as I said before there is NO mature excuse or reasoning in degrading people with disabilities and using them as an example to an insult.. I would guess that many that feel there is nothing wrong with calling people retarded have NEVER been around people with disabilities, and probably try to avoid them at all cost.. As I see it.. those are the one with the TRUE problem..
Prejudice is Prejudice.. rather it be racial, sexual or medical.. tisk tisk
Idiots are people too, yet you don't seem to have a problem degrading that entire group. No one is purposely degrading mentally challenged people, they are simply implying to the target person that their actions and behavior resembles that of a person with said disability. Nothing prejudice about it. Should the term "sky blue" be changed because it's offensive to the sky? No, it is simply applying the characteristics of one thing onto another. The term "retard" isn't derogatory to retarded people because they can't help their behaviors and actions, it's derogatory to those people that can control their actions and behaviors, and are still acting in an inappropriate manner.
I'm sorry you get butthurt by words. There just words, grow a skin and ignore them, or throw a tantrum every time someone says something you don't like, I really don't care. But there are idiots and retards all over the internet, and if such little things bother you, it may be a place you want to avoid.
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After 80 votes, 71% considers namecalling not offensive...it's a sad world we live in.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
I apologize if my stance comes across callous or ignorant. I honestly just don't see getting hit in the face in real life and getting called a 'huntard' in a video game as being on the same level. One is physical and personal, and the other is the lunatic ravings of an anonymous internet geek in a computer game.
I regularly play the 'huntard' class in MMOs, so I am used to being regularly amused by over-sensitive eRagers that have some deep-rooted issue with the fact that I'm playing in 'easy mode' or whatever their gripe that week is with my hunter/ranger/scout/whatever.
The hit in the face referance I made was a reaction to people saying it doesn't matter being called names since you can just call them names in return. I was not trying to proof that being hit in the face and namecalling are of the same lvl. Namecalling can be far worse than being hit in the face, but in this example (huntard) the namecalling is ofc much less painfull.
Again, what I am saying is not that being called a huntard is the end of the world, but just answering the original question that the word huntard is offensive simply because the meaning of the word is. I'm not saying anything about the amount of offense a word like this portrays nor the effect of it.
The fact that many seem to think there is nothing wrong with namecalling just for the sake of namecalling is what makes it so sad. The complete lack of empathy towards other people on the internet in general is not something we can be proud of.
Blizzard does use a variety of other types of servers so I dont see why they cant have an adult age verified server either. This has been argued on the WoW forums but many dont understand it is possible and some other mmo's do have ways of verifying the players age. If a player was able to falsify their age they wouldn't get away with it for long before they either got caught, acted stupid and bragged about it(which many do), or others catch them and report them so they get investigated(which I would and others who enjoy that kind of server would too). On a final note for all the misinformed kiddies out there, adult server has nothing to do with nudity or sex so get a clue.
I'm not saying is has anything to do with nudity or sex. I'm saying how do you prove your age? Even you do not actually propose anything here, just say that they should do it. There really is no way to prove your age without there being a huge potential for identity theft. And even so they would have to charge a ton of money for the service and that STILL would not guarentee that kids would not get onto the servers.
And catch and ban people from the server that act immature AT ALL? You'll have an empty server then because EVERYONE has an immature moment now and then, even if it is just laughing at someone called a Huntard :P
Your idea fails.
Just because you dont like my idea doesnt mean my point is invalid in the least. You might want to work on your debating skills if think it is that black/white. I know my idea isnt flawless, never said it was, but I know it doesnt fail either because there are 3 mmo's currently that use age verification for the past 5 yrs and still operating with the same rules so you do the math if you dont think it works.
Their system isnt flawless either and part of it is up to the players to help report potential minors using the server which doesnt involve simply based on "immaturity", most of the time minors brag openly or slip and make comments revealing their age. All of that happens more often than you think. Yes, kids can get ahold of their parent's credit card but if their parents dont read the notice when signing up about age restriction they can only blame themselves if the PC gets IP banned. You can try to knock it all you want but like I said, there are at least 3 other mmo's right now that have been doing this for 5 yrs.
Maybe I am just immature or so used to the low key humour used on the internet but, I really don't find the term 'huntard' offensive. Yes, retardation is something that can't be helped and it's idealistically unethical to use such terms for acting stupid (idiot would fall into the same category). However, we should realise we're not a PC species by default and sometimes people just have to let things go. Why spend energy feeling upset about a term that really isn't that bad? I would go on to play the game and enjoy myself rather than get upset about it.
Is it right? Maybe not, but it's human nature to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc *at some level*. To get rid of all these derogatory terms would be nigh on impossible. Ever say to someone 'stop being a girl'? Well, that's derogatory too because it's implying that all women are difficult, weak and manipulative. That's sexist. Or say 'grow a pair' assuming automatically that all players are male and the only way you can be effective is by being male and having a pair of testes...
So if we find 'huntard' offensive, then we could say that 'retardin' is offensive as is 'whorelock', 'oomkin' (because badly played balance druids are always out of mana), bubble bitch, and many other terms that I can't even think of at the moment. Does being PC truly protect those that are viewed as being slighted against? I don't think so, as a woman gamer. It just creates more irritation and further alienates those that PCness is supposed to help. I think there are more important things to get upset about than using a mildly derogatory word in a video game...
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Maybe I am just immature or so used to the low key humour used on the internet but, I really don't find the term 'huntard' offensive. Yes, retardation is something that can't be helped and it's idealistically unethical to use such terms for acting stupid (idiot would fall into the same category). However, we should realise we're not a PC species by default and sometimes people just have to let things go. Why spend energy feeling upset about a term that really isn't that bad? I would go on to play the game and enjoy myself rather than get upset about it.
Is it right? Maybe not, but it's human nature to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc *at some level*. To get rid of all these derogatory terms would be nigh on impossible. Ever say to someone 'stop being a girl'? Well, that's derogatory too because it's implying that all women are difficult, weak and manipulative. That's sexist. Or say 'grow a pair' assuming automatically that all players are male and the only way you can be effective is by being male and having a pair of testes...
So if we find 'huntard' offensive, then we could say that 'retardin' is offensive as is 'whorelock', 'oomkin' (because badly played balance druids are always out of mana), bubble bitch, and many other terms that I can't even think of at the moment. Does being PC truly protect those that are viewed as being slighted against? I don't think so, as a woman gamer. It just creates more irritation and further alienates those that PCness is supposed to help. I think there are more important things to get upset about than using a mildly derogatory word in a video game...
Discrimination is illegal in many countries. While you may consider "Huntard" as mildly offensive it is right up there with "hunnigger". It is not acceptable.
I always felt the term was used by people to imply that it was "easy mode" and that even a **** could play that class.
Yes I used *'s instead of the word because yes in the sense of how it first appeared it was meant to be offensive.
I played WoW at launch... no I didn't play a Hunter.
I wouldn't get upset at the use of the term and apparantly people have decided over time that the use of it was in a different context than I remember. I do question a person who uses the term even in the supposed "rewrite history" context simply because... "bad players" can play any class.. Any class can cause wipes.. etc
In the context I remember it being used in... it just makes you look petty... I think someones actions should reflect on that person. Instead of making some generic term that includes an entire set of people... even ones who do not fit the term you are trying to apply to them... That in my opinion makes you the... well you get the idea.
Some people fail to realize that "mental retardation" is simply a description of a symptom. People with underlying physical causes of mental retardation do not hold exclusive rights to that term. "Retard" is a valid word in the English language that could apply to anything... it simply means there is an impediment. In the case of mental retardation, there is an impediment to normal brain function and/or logical reasoning.
If a person in game is acting in such a manner that defies logic or is incapable of following orders or using common sense, mental retardation could easily be used in a tongue-in-cheek manner to describe that person's behavior.
Ethically, no it's not right to purposefully attempt to offend someone. At the same time however, I feel it's wrong to restrict free speech in an attempt to avoid offending everyone. There is always going to be something else out there that offends someone.
Maybe I am just immature or so used to the low key humour used on the internet but, I really don't find the term 'huntard' offensive. Yes, retardation is something that can't be helped and it's idealistically unethical to use such terms for acting stupid (idiot would fall into the same category). However, we should realise we're not a PC species by default and sometimes people just have to let things go. Why spend energy feeling upset about a term that really isn't that bad? I would go on to play the game and enjoy myself rather than get upset about it.
Is it right? Maybe not, but it's human nature to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc *at some level*. To get rid of all these derogatory terms would be nigh on impossible. Ever say to someone 'stop being a girl'? Well, that's derogatory too because it's implying that all women are difficult, weak and manipulative. That's sexist. Or say 'grow a pair' assuming automatically that all players are male and the only way you can be effective is by being male and having a pair of testes...
So if we find 'huntard' offensive, then we could say that 'retardin' is offensive as is 'whorelock', 'oomkin' (because badly played balance druids are always out of mana), bubble bitch, and many other terms that I can't even think of at the moment. Does being PC truly protect those that are viewed as being slighted against? I don't think so, as a woman gamer. It just creates more irritation and further alienates those that PCness is supposed to help. I think there are more important things to get upset about than using a mildly derogatory word in a video game...
Discrimination is illegal in many countries. While you may consider "Huntard" as mildly offensive it is right up there with "hunnigger". It is not acceptable.
LOL. Grow up. Is there really nothing else in your life worth while that you have the energy to be offended by a word? It's a word. A vibration of air molecules received by your ear drums. It's not going to kill you.
And as the poster above me said, it is a completely valid word in the dictionary, and isn't owned by the mentally retarded. I retarded the timing on my engine once, was I being offensive then? Better get rid of that flame retardant blanket quickly before someone knows it's name and starts crying!
I'm just amazed at the over sensativity of society these days. Just sad really. Amazing that this is what we have become.
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technicly, "retarded" means held back, so..someone whos a "huntard" would just be someone who doesnt know how to properly use hunters thus "holding back" the skill, thats atlest how i see it and there are many people like that....or, it could be used to desgribe a severly UP class, or when a class gets nerfed badly, like death knights.
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Retardation is a medical condition.. To use any form of this word in an attempt to insult or belittle others is immature and wrong.. Our society is filled wtih people with physical and mental disabilities, and to use them as a backbone to a deragative insult goes to show alot more to the person using that word, then the person the insult is directed to. I've seen equal numbers of mistakes made by ALL classes in the game, and to isolate one class in order to gernerate an insult using a spin on words is offensive.. There is no mature excuse to justify calling someone retarded in any form or spin, if just to insult..
It's people like you that are killing society. You're -soooo- worried about offending ANYONE. You're sooooo touchy feely about this person or that person. Well you know what? I find people like YOU offensive. Handholding, coddling, bleeding-hearts that weaken our species. You think these people want your pity? You think none of them get offended when everyone around them walks on eggshells all the time?
I've met some people with mild retardation that get pissed off at people like you. They talk differently and don't get things quite as well or as fast as most people, but they understand when people are talking down to them. These people are sick and tired of being treated differently and it's people like you that make it worse. So kindly screw off, grow a thicker skin, realize that slang will ALWAYS be a part of speech and most of all GET OVER YOURSELF.
The last thing MMOs need to really dig their own grave is a wave of american branded PCness. Refusing to comment on whether a word is offensive or not I'll say this.
I'm surprised no WoW vet has yet speculated on how the word came to be. (Wow vets, you there?) Either way, it's been around a long time, in fact more or less since inception. The term had nothing to do with the hunter being OPd, UPd, jealousy or any of this bullshit. Back then many of the wow servers had big communities of gamers that met on external sites and forums and would trade jabs and insults "Ha i owned your ass one on one in TM!" kinna thing (some servers still might but the three I used to play on didn't when I left, anyways). The story goes that there were a couple of high profile cases (remember the loot rolling system was completely different and caused much more frustrations that it does today) in which hunters rolled for gear that was totally not meant for them. I only remember one, and that vaguely, and it was a hunter rolling for a piece of caster loot on the basis that "it would help his arcane shot." This was documented and screenshot and posted on the forums. The word huntard emerged (aided by the fact that back then hunters coud literally sit back and go make coffee while playing and was generally considered to be a class that required little skill) and as gimmicky names often do... it stuck.
Other names have not stuck or have changed, for example... "you've been warlocked" at some point meant you had been nerfed or sucked. Funny eh?
Hello guys and gals, I run a World of Warcraft yahoo group: games.groups.yahoo.com/group/World_of_Warcraft_WoW/ Recently, a member of the group used the term "Huntard" in a message she posted in the group. Some people in the group didn't have a problem with the word(like myself), others found it offensive stating it is derogatory, demeaning and disrespectful. One person in the group said "...that word means: a retarded hunter. I don't see any difference between calling a person retarded because he didn't do something right or calling him a nigger because someone thought he was lazy (one connotation of that word). It is derogatory, demeaning and disrespectful." What are you thoughts on this issue? Are people like me who find the term harmless being inconsiderate and insensitive to other people's feelings? Or do you think the term "Huntard" is harmless and not meant to be rude or mean to people who have special needs and disabilities. I am currently conducting a poll within the group to get an idea of who finds it offensive and who does not. The results of the poll will tell me what to do next. Anyway, I'd like your thoughts on this issue if you don't mind. Ichben Einberliner
The only people that take offense to terms like huntard etc... well... are huntards. Its very simple
Retardation is a medical condition.. To use any form of this word in an attempt to insult or belittle others is immature and wrong.. Our society is filled wtih people with physical and mental disabilities, and to use them as a backbone to a deragative insult goes to show alot more to the person using that word, then the person the insult is directed to. I've seen equal numbers of mistakes made by ALL classes in the game, and to isolate one class in order to gernerate an insult using a spin on words is offensive.. There is no mature excuse to justify calling someone retarded in any form or spin, if just to insult..
They stopped using that term to describe mentally handicapped people back in the 80's its an incorrect usage to suggest that.
In fact actually to imply that retardation relates to mentally handicapped people IS VERY offensive. I'm more offended by your post than by anything else in this thread.
Retardation is a medical condition.. To use any form of this word in an attempt to insult or belittle others is immature and wrong.. Our society is filled wtih people with physical and mental disabilities, and to use them as a backbone to a deragative insult goes to show alot more to the person using that word, then the person the insult is directed to. I've seen equal numbers of mistakes made by ALL classes in the game, and to isolate one class in order to gernerate an insult using a spin on words is offensive.. There is no mature excuse to justify calling someone retarded in any form or spin, if just to insult..
They stopped using that term to describe mentally handicapped people back in the 80's its an incorrect usage to suggest that.
In fact actually to imply that retardation relates to mentally handicapped people IS VERY offensive. I'm more offended by your post than by anything else in this thread.
You both look like a barrel of fun. I would love to hang out with you both sometime, I'm sure your sense of humors are a total blast to be around!
Give me a friggen break. The post is about "Huntards", which is a fitting name for them. Unless you are some super PC lamo like you two obviously are. Give me a break, seriously!
People need to stop overreacting.. its a name.. if you are taking it to heart when your being called a "Huntard" then you should ask yourself why you are being called the name in the first place. I personally named my hunter "Mootard" when I played WoW to make a sort of play-on-words with my Tauren Hunter. People need to man up and stop being pansies and crying about namecalling.
Huh I guess if I had to give this more thought, I really dont give a flying f*** what you call me. The day some random persons words that I have
1. Never met
2. Never will meet
3. Could care less what they think about me
4. Could care less what they have to say if thats how they treat people
You get the point, Thats the day I need to wrap it up and call it a day.
Having said that, when I played WOW I played a hunter, was a good one(Not Great) good. When I messed up I expected to catch grief. I knew it was in a good way because I Actually knew most of the people I grouped with so anyone that we did pick up on the outside that we never met either, got bent out of shape and showed the maturity level of a horny adolescent monkey or were fine and rolled with the flow and gave and recieved grief to. We never yelled and brought any real dramma just goofing on each other when we made mistakes.
This is random and not following the rest of the post but here is my two cents.
People need to keep their self-righteousness in check and not throw things like "Don't call a mentally handicapped person a retard just because they have a disiability!" Really? Thank you for that beautiful insight. No, instead I'll go chew out Mommy and Daddy for knocking back a couple of cold ones or lighting up when their stressed. I know not to call a handicapped a "retard" and I never will. It's COMMON SENSE. I don't call a paraplegic a "cripple" or a minority any of their respective derogatory terms because I have COMMON SENSE.
Now onto the "Huntard" piece. These terms were designed/fashioned by people who have grudges against classes. People that don't like warlocks use "whorelock", "huntard", "retardin", and so forth. Anyone that actually uses these as a direct insult is not original and has problems along with the person that gets pissed when they are called that. Gamers need to grow up and stop being so sensitive and easily hurt. It's a GAME, nothing about it is supposed to be taken seriously, unless you want it to, and that is a whole different story.
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Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
Read my post again and make sure you read and reread the red text again and again untill you see how stupid your reply was.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
This is exactly the problem I see in many that have yet to mature.. I could care less about name calling.. Call someone and idiot all you want.. call them a dummy.. but there is NO excuse to call them retarded.. The problem is you are insulting and put down a group of people that have a disability.. Obviously too many posting don't see their own flaws when degrading someone or a group of people because of a medical condition.. I personally find it appalling and uncalled for.. People with disabilities are PEOPLE and deserve the same respect as you and I.. They did NOTHING to you to justify their medical condition being the butt of an insult..
You want to insult someone.. go for it.. you want to name call someone an idiot.. go for it.. However, as I said before there is NO mature excuse or reasoning in degrading people with disabilities and using them as an example to an insult.. I would guess that many that feel there is nothing wrong with calling people retarded have NEVER been around people with disabilities, and probably try to avoid them at all cost.. As I see it.. those are the one with the TRUE problem..
Prejudice is Prejudice.. rather it be racial, sexual or medical.. tisk tisk
I've got no problem with calling someone a name when he acts like an idiot.
However, I do have a problem with two things. Firstly, quite often the word "huntard" is used indiscriminately to refer to any hunter. For example I've seen the following "LF 1M botanica, huntard or mage". I actually confronted the guy who said that in game, and pointed out to him that if he was asking for huntards, then that's all he'd be likely to get...
And secondly, most of the people who say "playing a hunter is easy" are clueless. Hunters are easy to do basic stuff and to farm with. However, for much of the TBC period, playing a hunter well was, significantly harder than getting the most out of many other DPS classes. Trying to chain trap, manage shot rotation, kite, watch the pet and protect the healer are all things a good hunter had to worry about every instance, whilst for a mage it was a case of sheep, nuke, sheep, nuke add-infinitum, and many other DPS seldom had to do much more in combat than just nuke (yes - I know good players could do things like use blind or frost nova intelligently, but no one expected such things). Also, when a hunter screws-up it's simply more obvious than screw-ups by many other classes. Mages can re-sheep when stuff goes wrong. Hunters can't re-trap nearly so easily.
Then again - in Wotlk, as long as you know how to nuke properly, every instance is easy-mode for any DPS, including hunters.
And btw - in my opinion keeping pets on passive is overrated. Yes - everyone has a story about how a pet caused a wipe. But that very seldom happens with a decent hunter who knows how to watch his pet carefully. Switching between defensive and passive as needed can result in significantly more pet DPS than leaving it on defensive all the time. It's also a fraction faster to recall a defensive pet from combat (one click as opposed to two), which can be very important when trying to keep it alive and faced with deadly AoEs.
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Offensive? No. Just indicitive of the type of people who play this game. Those who like to toss the term around and those who are the target (terrible players).
This thread fails. Way to make an issue out of nothing. Let's get back to the more intense and much more entertainin "I hate Darkfall" posts.
Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
I apologize if my stance comes across callous or ignorant. I honestly just don't see getting hit in the face in real life and getting called a 'huntard' in a video game as being on the same level. One is physical and personal, and the other is the lunatic ravings of an anonymous internet geek in a computer game.
I regularly play the 'huntard' class in MMOs, so I am used to being regularly amused by over-sensitive eRagers that have some deep-rooted issue with the fact that I'm playing in 'easy mode' or whatever their gripe that week is with my hunter/ranger/scout/whatever.
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Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
Grow a damn skin. Who gives a shit what some random guy on the internet calls you? If you get this upset from what a stranger says about you, I would hate to see how you deal with anything in the real world. People like you are degrading this society into a mush of crap where no one can say what they want because they feel they need to tip toe around every word out of fear that they may "hurt" someone's feelings. They're just words. Grow up and deal with it.
This is exactly the problem I see in many that have yet to mature.. I could care less about name calling.. Call someone and idiot all you want.. call them a dummy.. but there is NO excuse to call them retarded.. The problem is you are insulting and put down a group of people that have a disability.. Obviously too many posting don't see their own flaws when degrading someone or a group of people because of a medical condition.. I personally find it appalling and uncalled for.. People with disabilities are PEOPLE and deserve the same respect as you and I.. They did NOTHING to you to justify their medical condition being the butt of an insult..
You want to insult someone.. go for it.. you want to name call someone an idiot.. go for it.. However, as I said before there is NO mature excuse or reasoning in degrading people with disabilities and using them as an example to an insult.. I would guess that many that feel there is nothing wrong with calling people retarded have NEVER been around people with disabilities, and probably try to avoid them at all cost.. As I see it.. those are the one with the TRUE problem..
Prejudice is Prejudice.. rather it be racial, sexual or medical.. tisk tisk
Idiots are people too, yet you don't seem to have a problem degrading that entire group. No one is purposely degrading mentally challenged people, they are simply implying to the target person that their actions and behavior resembles that of a person with said disability. Nothing prejudice about it. Should the term "sky blue" be changed because it's offensive to the sky? No, it is simply applying the characteristics of one thing onto another. The term "retard" isn't derogatory to retarded people because they can't help their behaviors and actions, it's derogatory to those people that can control their actions and behaviors, and are still acting in an inappropriate manner.
I'm sorry you get butthurt by words. There just words, grow a skin and ignore them, or throw a tantrum every time someone says something you don't like, I really don't care. But there are idiots and retards all over the internet, and if such little things bother you, it may be a place you want to avoid.
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Quite the opposite. It would be a sad world if the majority said they felt butthurt every time some clown on the intarweb called them names because of the character class they picked in a video game.
This kind of nonsense is what is wrong in my eyes. Finding namecalling offensive does not mean going emo about it, does not mean feeling hurt because of it, it means seeing things for what they are. The word huntard was created for one simple reason: some hate hunters and wanted a word to insult them with. The very meaning of the word huntard has offensive written all over it. The question is if the word is offensive and the answer is a 100% certain yes, not because people feel hurt when they are called it, but because the person saying it intends to hurt.
But ah well, it seems I am talking to a brick wall of ignorance. The next thing we will see is people saying that it doesn't hurt to be hit in the face simply because we can hit back...
I apologize if my stance comes across callous or ignorant. I honestly just don't see getting hit in the face in real life and getting called a 'huntard' in a video game as being on the same level. One is physical and personal, and the other is the lunatic ravings of an anonymous internet geek in a computer game.
I regularly play the 'huntard' class in MMOs, so I am used to being regularly amused by over-sensitive eRagers that have some deep-rooted issue with the fact that I'm playing in 'easy mode' or whatever their gripe that week is with my hunter/ranger/scout/whatever.
The hit in the face referance I made was a reaction to people saying it doesn't matter being called names since you can just call them names in return. I was not trying to proof that being hit in the face and namecalling are of the same lvl. Namecalling can be far worse than being hit in the face, but in this example (huntard) the namecalling is ofc much less painfull.
Again, what I am saying is not that being called a huntard is the end of the world, but just answering the original question that the word huntard is offensive simply because the meaning of the word is. I'm not saying anything about the amount of offense a word like this portrays nor the effect of it.
The fact that many seem to think there is nothing wrong with namecalling just for the sake of namecalling is what makes it so sad. The complete lack of empathy towards other people on the internet in general is not something we can be proud of.
I'm not saying is has anything to do with nudity or sex. I'm saying how do you prove your age? Even you do not actually propose anything here, just say that they should do it. There really is no way to prove your age without there being a huge potential for identity theft. And even so they would have to charge a ton of money for the service and that STILL would not guarentee that kids would not get onto the servers.
And catch and ban people from the server that act immature AT ALL? You'll have an empty server then because EVERYONE has an immature moment now and then, even if it is just laughing at someone called a Huntard :P
Your idea fails.
Just because you dont like my idea doesnt mean my point is invalid in the least. You might want to work on your debating skills if think it is that black/white. I know my idea isnt flawless, never said it was, but I know it doesnt fail either because there are 3 mmo's currently that use age verification for the past 5 yrs and still operating with the same rules so you do the math if you dont think it works.
Their system isnt flawless either and part of it is up to the players to help report potential minors using the server which doesnt involve simply based on "immaturity", most of the time minors brag openly or slip and make comments revealing their age. All of that happens more often than you think. Yes, kids can get ahold of their parent's credit card but if their parents dont read the notice when signing up about age restriction they can only blame themselves if the PC gets IP banned. You can try to knock it all you want but like I said, there are at least 3 other mmo's right now that have been doing this for 5 yrs.
Maybe I am just immature or so used to the low key humour used on the internet but, I really don't find the term 'huntard' offensive. Yes, retardation is something that can't be helped and it's idealistically unethical to use such terms for acting stupid (idiot would fall into the same category). However, we should realise we're not a PC species by default and sometimes people just have to let things go. Why spend energy feeling upset about a term that really isn't that bad? I would go on to play the game and enjoy myself rather than get upset about it.
Is it right? Maybe not, but it's human nature to be racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc *at some level*. To get rid of all these derogatory terms would be nigh on impossible. Ever say to someone 'stop being a girl'? Well, that's derogatory too because it's implying that all women are difficult, weak and manipulative. That's sexist. Or say 'grow a pair' assuming automatically that all players are male and the only way you can be effective is by being male and having a pair of testes...
So if we find 'huntard' offensive, then we could say that 'retardin' is offensive as is 'whorelock', 'oomkin' (because badly played balance druids are always out of mana), bubble bitch, and many other terms that I can't even think of at the moment. Does being PC truly protect those that are viewed as being slighted against? I don't think so, as a woman gamer. It just creates more irritation and further alienates those that PCness is supposed to help. I think there are more important things to get upset about than using a mildly derogatory word in a video game...
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Discrimination is illegal in many countries. While you may consider "Huntard" as mildly offensive it is right up there with "hunnigger". It is not acceptable.
I guess we all have a different take on things.
I always felt the term was used by people to imply that it was "easy mode" and that even a **** could play that class.
Yes I used *'s instead of the word because yes in the sense of how it first appeared it was meant to be offensive.
I played WoW at launch... no I didn't play a Hunter.
I wouldn't get upset at the use of the term and apparantly people have decided over time that the use of it was in a different context than I remember. I do question a person who uses the term even in the supposed "rewrite history" context simply because... "bad players" can play any class.. Any class can cause wipes.. etc
In the context I remember it being used in... it just makes you look petty... I think someones actions should reflect on that person. Instead of making some generic term that includes an entire set of people... even ones who do not fit the term you are trying to apply to them... That in my opinion makes you the... well you get the idea.
*edited from some clarity*
Some people fail to realize that "mental retardation" is simply a description of a symptom. People with underlying physical causes of mental retardation do not hold exclusive rights to that term. "Retard" is a valid word in the English language that could apply to anything... it simply means there is an impediment. In the case of mental retardation, there is an impediment to normal brain function and/or logical reasoning.
If a person in game is acting in such a manner that defies logic or is incapable of following orders or using common sense, mental retardation could easily be used in a tongue-in-cheek manner to describe that person's behavior.
Ethically, no it's not right to purposefully attempt to offend someone. At the same time however, I feel it's wrong to restrict free speech in an attempt to avoid offending everyone. There is always going to be something else out there that offends someone.
Discrimination is illegal in many countries. While you may consider "Huntard" as mildly offensive it is right up there with "hunnigger". It is not acceptable.
LOL. Grow up. Is there really nothing else in your life worth while that you have the energy to be offended by a word? It's a word. A vibration of air molecules received by your ear drums. It's not going to kill you.
And as the poster above me said, it is a completely valid word in the dictionary, and isn't owned by the mentally retarded. I retarded the timing on my engine once, was I being offensive then? Better get rid of that flame retardant blanket quickly before someone knows it's name and starts crying!
I'm just amazed at the over sensativity of society these days. Just sad really. Amazing that this is what we have become.
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technicly, "retarded" means held back, so..someone whos a "huntard" would just be someone who doesnt know how to properly use hunters thus "holding back" the skill, thats atlest how i see it and there are many people like that....or, it could be used to desgribe a severly UP class, or when a class gets nerfed badly, like death knights.
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It's people like you that are killing society. You're -soooo- worried about offending ANYONE. You're sooooo touchy feely about this person or that person. Well you know what? I find people like YOU offensive. Handholding, coddling, bleeding-hearts that weaken our species. You think these people want your pity? You think none of them get offended when everyone around them walks on eggshells all the time?
I've met some people with mild retardation that get pissed off at people like you. They talk differently and don't get things quite as well or as fast as most people, but they understand when people are talking down to them. These people are sick and tired of being treated differently and it's people like you that make it worse. So kindly screw off, grow a thicker skin, realize that slang will ALWAYS be a part of speech and most of all GET OVER YOURSELF.
The last thing MMOs need to really dig their own grave is a wave of american branded PCness. Refusing to comment on whether a word is offensive or not I'll say this.
I'm surprised no WoW vet has yet speculated on how the word came to be. (Wow vets, you there?) Either way, it's been around a long time, in fact more or less since inception. The term had nothing to do with the hunter being OPd, UPd, jealousy or any of this bullshit. Back then many of the wow servers had big communities of gamers that met on external sites and forums and would trade jabs and insults "Ha i owned your ass one on one in TM!" kinna thing (some servers still might but the three I used to play on didn't when I left, anyways). The story goes that there were a couple of high profile cases (remember the loot rolling system was completely different and caused much more frustrations that it does today) in which hunters rolled for gear that was totally not meant for them. I only remember one, and that vaguely, and it was a hunter rolling for a piece of caster loot on the basis that "it would help his arcane shot." This was documented and screenshot and posted on the forums. The word huntard emerged (aided by the fact that back then hunters coud literally sit back and go make coffee while playing and was generally considered to be a class that required little skill) and as gimmicky names often do... it stuck.
Other names have not stuck or have changed, for example... "you've been warlocked" at some point meant you had been nerfed or sucked. Funny eh?
The only people that take offense to terms like huntard etc... well... are huntards. Its very simple
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If I am working on my car & I need to "retard" the timing, should I punch my self for being a jerk?
They stopped using that term to describe mentally handicapped people back in the 80's its an incorrect usage to suggest that.
In fact actually to imply that retardation relates to mentally handicapped people IS VERY offensive. I'm more offended by your post than by anything else in this thread.
They stopped using that term to describe mentally handicapped people back in the 80's its an incorrect usage to suggest that.
In fact actually to imply that retardation relates to mentally handicapped people IS VERY offensive. I'm more offended by your post than by anything else in this thread.
You both look like a barrel of fun. I would love to hang out with you both sometime, I'm sure your sense of humors are a total blast to be around!
Give me a friggen break. The post is about "Huntards", which is a fitting name for them.
Unless you are some super PC lamo like you two obviously are. Give me a break, seriously!
People need to stop overreacting.. its a name.. if you are taking it to heart when your being called a "Huntard" then you should ask yourself why you are being called the name in the first place. I personally named my hunter "Mootard" when I played WoW to make a sort of play-on-words with my Tauren Hunter. People need to man up and stop being pansies and crying about namecalling.
Huh I guess if I had to give this more thought, I really dont give a flying f*** what you call me. The day some random persons words that I have
1. Never met
2. Never will meet
3. Could care less what they think about me
4. Could care less what they have to say if thats how they treat people
You get the point, Thats the day I need to wrap it up and call it a day.
Having said that, when I played WOW I played a hunter, was a good one(Not Great) good. When I messed up I expected to catch grief. I knew it was in a good way because I Actually knew most of the people I grouped with so anyone that we did pick up on the outside that we never met either, got bent out of shape and showed the maturity level of a horny adolescent monkey or were fine and rolled with the flow and gave and recieved grief to. We never yelled and brought any real dramma just goofing on each other when we made mistakes.
This is random and not following the rest of the post but here is my two cents.
People need to keep their self-righteousness in check and not throw things like "Don't call a mentally handicapped person a retard just because they have a disiability!" Really? Thank you for that beautiful insight. No, instead I'll go chew out Mommy and Daddy for knocking back a couple of cold ones or lighting up when their stressed. I know not to call a handicapped a "retard" and I never will. It's COMMON SENSE. I don't call a paraplegic a "cripple" or a minority any of their respective derogatory terms because I have COMMON SENSE.
Now onto the "Huntard" piece. These terms were designed/fashioned by people who have grudges against classes. People that don't like warlocks use "whorelock", "huntard", "retardin", and so forth. Anyone that actually uses these as a direct insult is not original and has problems along with the person that gets pissed when they are called that. Gamers need to grow up and stop being so sensitive and easily hurt. It's a GAME, nothing about it is supposed to be taken seriously, unless you want it to, and that is a whole different story.
Bottom line: Offensive? No. Stupid? Yes.