Exploring is there but not exactly usefull [as in you will get payed for it].
In EvE you can....
PvP
Fight Corperate wars
Build and take Stations
Craft - a lot
trade on the market
PvE
Exploring is supported and usefull
Mercenaries exist in EvE
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Try EvE online for a REAL PvP sandbox game. In darkfall you can.... PvP PvE Fight clan wars Build and take citys Craft [barely] Exploring is there but not exactly usefull [as in you will get payed for it]. In EvE you can.... PvP Fight Corperate wars Build and take Stations Craft - a lot trade on the market PvE Exploring is supported and usefull Mercenaries exist in EvE
Mercenaries exist in DF also, quite famous and in demand people I might ad: The Mercs & Covert Operations are two of the biggest mercenary guilds around and if you have the money they will help with your city being sieged or siege another city.
And what do you mean "barely" craft? - let me tell you something in the guild the busiest and most in demand people are the mount and armorsmiths/weaponsmiths. Besides the number of crafters who make modules for cities to sell them to other guilds (see Haven for example).
Perhaps DF does not "pay" for you to explore, but its far more useful to scout an area and see the rock formations/rivers that can be used as cover or springboard for counterattack.
In EVE its just empty space....come on now...even with planets DFs exploring is much more valuable than EVEs
Not trashing EVE in the least, but its sad that you guys who come here and have no ideea about the game come and give us examples of how your precious is so much more that.
Try EvE online for a REAL PvP sandbox game. In darkfall you can.... PvP PvE Fight clan wars Build and take citys Craft [barely] Exploring is there but not exactly usefull [as in you will get payed for it]. In EvE you can.... PvP Fight Corperate wars Build and take Stations Craft - a lot trade on the market PvE Exploring is supported and usefull Mercenaries exist in EvE
How many years has EVE been out? DF has been out for about like 5-6 weeks? There are mercenaries in Darkfall, there are several guilds who play this way. The fact that you didn't know this makes me think you might not be playing the game. A few of them PM'ed me about wanting to participate in the last article I wrote, but I didn't want to make it any longer.
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
Go ahead call me a care bear, but i bet i have more time in real PvP games, than you sir, this is why i am a knowledgeable customer, and see darkfall for what it is. a mediocre, shallow, flawed from the design stage , amateur production, simplistic PvP game.
Oh really? You neither own or play Darkfall. Thanks for sharing your enlightened information to all of us actually playing the game. Im 35 and have been playing pvp games since I was a kid. Honestly though who cares? this game is fun and that's all that matters. There will always be a special place in my heart for WW II online though
For months before and after release of DF, we should recognize that the problem is not the game itself. The game can improve or has potential. The problem is Aventurine. The company is crooked and has a horrible Public Representative in the name of Tasos Flambouras... what is worse is that their ability to rectify situations and the judgment of their GMs is nothing short of a crack-baby with a missile-launcher.
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
Well almost for any troll you see you can look at their post history. They are almost all fans of pve games like LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, etc and are most definetly all outspoken carebears. Just be careful and do not allow them to lure you into arguments. Just report them to moderators and move on
Anyway I am enjoying the game. I've been busy for past couple days so didnt have much time to play. But this weekend I should have a lot of time. This is the game us pvpers have been waiting for. You can DODGE firebolts and arrows in this game yourself. How cool is that? There is no dice roll being rolled on the server that determines life/death. When two meleers fight in this game- they actually MOVE around and use tactics. In WoW and most any other horrid dice roll game, all meleers do is fight in ONE SPOT. And Spiking a target was so easy for guilds. You just call target on vent, everyone TABs to the poor sucker, and all attack. I've seen people die instantly in those other horrid MMOs
This all changes here. All that BS is fixed by merely getting rid of dice rolling. Finally, a true pvp mmo for us. and only cost $50 thats nothing. I spend over $120 for 2 xbox 360 games per month alone
This is the problem with most Darkfall Fanboys.. they see any other game as a bad game... They can't see the forest for the trees, and their play experience is usually either so one sided in that they haven't played many games, or they played one game and compared every other game to that game.
The "This is the game that us PvPers have been waiting for".. Again.. a blind statement by someone who hasn't played many games. The style of PvP in Darkfall is NOTHING NEW. Let me stress again it's "NOTHING NEW". I've been playing skill based PvP games for a long time (AC, CS, Hell even AoC has real time combat) where you have to dodge, move, strike, run away, run back, jump, spin.. ETC.. F'n amatures who call Darkfall PvP revolutionary.. Get a clue and get out of the parents basement. There are a lot of games out there that can satisfy your PvP craving.
So, in closing, patch, I'd like to say that before you post do these things: 1. Think - Am I posting something that makes sense? 2. Delete what you have posted and write "edited" 3. click post.
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Actually you are right he is wrong, it is not a skill based game... a leveling game with only 4 levels.
Well almost for any troll you see you can look at their post history. They are almost all fans of pve games like LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, etc and are most definetly all outspoken carebears. Just be careful and do not allow them to lure you into arguments. Just report them to moderators and move on
Anyway I am enjoying the game. I've been busy for past couple days so didnt have much time to play. But this weekend I should have a lot of time. This is the game us pvpers have been waiting for. You can DODGE firebolts and arrows in this game yourself. How cool is that? There is no dice roll being rolled on the server that determines life/death. When two meleers fight in this game- they actually MOVE around and use tactics. In WoW and most any other horrid dice roll game, all meleers do is fight in ONE SPOT. And Spiking a target was so easy for guilds. You just call target on vent, everyone TABs to the poor sucker, and all attack. I've seen people die instantly in those other horrid MMOs
This all changes here. All that BS is fixed by merely getting rid of dice rolling. Finally, a true pvp mmo for us. and only cost $50 thats nothing. I spend over $120 for 2 xbox 360 games per month alone
This is the problem with most Darkfall Fanboys.. they see any other game as a bad game... They can't see the forest for the trees, and their play experience is usually either so one sided in that they haven't played many games, or they played one game and compared every other game to that game.
The "This is the game that us PvPers have been waiting for".. Again.. a blind statement by someone who hasn't played many games. The style of PvP in Darkfall is NOTHING NEW. Let me stress again it's "NOTHING NEW". I've been playing skill based PvP games for a long time (AC, CS, Hell even AoC has real time combat) where you have to dodge, move, strike, run away, run back, jump, spin.. ETC.. F'n amatures who call Darkfall PvP revolutionary.. Get a clue and get out of the parents basement. There are a lot of games out there that can satisfy your PvP craving.
So, in closing, patch, I'd like to say that before you post do these things: 1. Think - Am I posting something that makes sense? 2. Delete what you have posted and write "edited" 3. click post.
I know if you double-direction you get a dodge bonus or double-forward for charge bonus... there's a "jump" bonus for AoC? o.O When did this happen?
And just reminding me about these bonuses, helps me understand that AoC does seem to require a bit more skill... but I haven't seen these movement bonuses make a difference in the long run.
I haven't seen a civil discussion thread about this game yet, and I doubt I ever will. I would probably try it if the shop were ever up for more than an hour or two at a time. Can't say I have a good impression of the company behind it based on everything I've read, but I've definitely tried stinker games before, so if it is one, it wouldn't be the first.
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
I dont really see what Age of Conan has anything to do with this discussion.
DF is a twitch based combat system, where if you crouch at the right time the swing will go over your head....simple. It also helps alot against mounted players since they are high up and you are crouching.
If as you say AoC does not let jumping matter when youre swinging....well it seems like a design problem, perhaps petition Funcom about it than telling me monologues about a game you havent even played?
I haven't seen a civil discussion thread about this game yet, and I doubt I ever will. I would probably try it if the shop were ever up for more than an hour or two at a time. Can't say I have a good impression of the company behind it based on everything I've read, but I've definitely tried stinker games before, so if it is one, it wouldn't be the first.
This is true.
Aventurine is making attempts to handle the chaos that is their game. It'd be cool if you actually got in, because that would show that there are improvements to capacity. However, based on the type of business structure this company has, I advise against joining right now. Too many mess-ups with handling billing and ludicrous Customer Support, let's not forget the GM insanity.
If I were you, bmdevine... avoid this game. Not for the game itself, but because Aventurine doesn't know wtf they're doing.
I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
I dont really see what Age of Conan has anything to do with this discussion.
DF is a twitch based combat system, where if you crouch at the right time the swing will go over your head....simple. It also helps alot against mounted players since they are high up and you are crouching.
If as you say AoC does not let jumping matter when youre swinging....well it seems like a design problem, perhaps petition Funcom about it than telling me monologues about a game you havent even played?
Of course I've played, Darkfall.
I like to indulge in giving my money to poor quality companies that take me in the butt every night. But I enjoy the game, because I love how Aventurine treats me. Like my Darkfall Fan brothers... we all embrace our Battered Woman Syndrome. Father Tasos is pleased.
Glad you are having fun and didnt listen to the trolls.
If you notice there's been much less whine and bitching from them, even they are starting to realise that pulling arguments out of your ass does not a "honest criticism" make.
In a couple months when DF will have ironed out its minor issues and added more content, it will be a great game. Now its just in its "beta".
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DOAC is still the MMO I judge other games by, My first and still my favorite.
I already made a thread about Darkfall but I'll comment here as well just to dispell the rumors...
All Darkfall has going for it is open PvP (which arguably is poorly designed and simplistic in itself) Crafting is useless for several reasons including the fact that armor is easily obtainable from the glitched out mobs and anyone can macro crafting up if they'd like to (not to mention equipment isn't a big deal in the game to begin with). PvE is weak A) because most of the world is empty Because the AI is atrocious. And this isn't because it was meant to be a "PvP game". It was marketed as both, amongst other things (basically marketed as the ultimate sandbox MMO).
So have fun with your "Full loot PvP" and "Clan Politics" and "City Sieging" because that's all it has going for it (unfortunately for Darkfall there are plenty of games out there that do that better plus they actually have other features included). So, even if you try to get past the missing features, useless crafting, clunky UI, bugs, exploits, macroing, poor customer service, billing issues, "GM corruption", already outdated graphics, poor animations, lame fetch x trinkets from y mob quests, etc. etc. etc. you'll realize the game is broken from the core. It's lacking in good core design and that can't be fixed with patches.
On a positive side Darkfall seems to bind all those morons, cheaters and other Knalltueten that otherwise would waste our time and patience in the better games. I don't want to play this crap but where can I make a donation please?
I already made a thread about Darkfall but I'll comment here as well just to dispell the rumors... All Darkfall has going for it is open PvP (which arguably is poorly designed and simplistic in itself) Crafting is useless for several reasons including the fact that armor is easily obtainable from the glitched out mobs and anyone can macro crafting up if they'd like to (not to mention equipment isn't a big deal in the game to begin with). PvE is weak A) because most of the world is empty Because the AI is atrocious. And this isn't because it was meant to be a "PvP game". It was marketed as both, amongst other things (basically marketed as the ultimate sandbox MMO). So have fun with your "Full loot PvP" and "Clan Politics" and "City Sieging" because that's all it has going for it (unfortunately for Darkfall there are plenty of games out there that do that better plus they actually have other features included). So, even if you try to get past the missing features, useless crafting, clunky UI, bugs, exploits, macroing, poor customer service, billing issues, "GM corruption", already outdated graphics, poor animations, lame fetch x trinkets from y mob quests, etc. etc. etc. you'll realize the game is broken from the core. It's lacking in good core design and that can't be fixed with patches.
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
I already made a thread about Darkfall but I'll comment here as well just to dispell the rumors... All Darkfall has going for it is open PvP (which arguably is poorly designed and simplistic in itself) Crafting is useless for several reasons including the fact that armor is easily obtainable from the glitched out mobs and anyone can macro crafting up if they'd like to (not to mention equipment isn't a big deal in the game to begin with). PvE is weak A) because most of the world is empty Because the AI is atrocious. And this isn't because it was meant to be a "PvP game". It was marketed as both, amongst other things (basically marketed as the ultimate sandbox MMO). So have fun with your "Full loot PvP" and "Clan Politics" and "City Sieging" because that's all it has going for it (unfortunately for Darkfall there are plenty of games out there that do that better plus they actually have other features included). So, even if you try to get past the missing features, useless crafting, clunky UI, bugs, exploits, macroing, poor customer service, billing issues, "GM corruption", already outdated graphics, poor animations, lame fetch x trinkets from y mob quests, etc. etc. etc. you'll realize the game is broken from the core. It's lacking in good core design and that can't be fixed with patches.
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
Oh, and... go back to wow.
Yeah you're right I never played Darkfall. The memories of playing it must have come to me via a nightmare.
And yes I do need to get a life. How have I forgotten that playing DFO takes precedence over school and work and...friends (yeah I said it...friends...shall I leave a link for the definition?) I'll definitely go back to WoW...I just need to find the disks somewhere in the attic with all my other junk I love so dearly.
I haven't seen a civil discussion thread about this game yet, and I doubt I ever will. I would probably try it if the shop were ever up for more than an hour or two at a time. Can't say I have a good impression of the company behind it based on everything I've read, but I've definitely tried stinker games before, so if it is one, it wouldn't be the first.
In the end the problem isnt DF as much as the POS company that runs it. You can scream indie and small all you want but in the end they are still poorly run and managed. And in giving this company money it continues to make it where they have 0 incentive to improved their practices. People bitch all the time about companies like SOE and EA but AV ranks right there with them. Tasos is the new Sme, a guy that promised the world and instead delivered dog poop in a non flamable bag.
This I think everyone should be able to agree with. But Tasos completed his mission I suppose. Bended reality (or flat out lied) to get the hype and pre-release numbers. Should be sued for false advertisement though, especially with the outdated website.
With all do respect, when a company has 10k-20k accounts for their game, that doesn't make it game of the year. Matter of fact, for a new release, that is pretty much crap. As I've said all along, no one's opinion matters about ANY game other than your own. It is important not to buy into hype and form your own opinion. I'm glad you are enjoying the game.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."
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Try EvE online for a REAL PvP sandbox game.
In darkfall you can....
PvP
PvE
Fight clan wars
Build and take citys
Craft [barely]
Exploring is there but not exactly usefull [as in you will get payed for it].
In EvE you can....
PvP
Fight Corperate wars
Build and take Stations
Craft - a lot
trade on the market
PvE
Exploring is supported and usefull
Mercenaries exist in EvE
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Mercenaries exist in DF also, quite famous and in demand people I might ad: The Mercs & Covert Operations are two of the biggest mercenary guilds around and if you have the money they will help with your city being sieged or siege another city.
And what do you mean "barely" craft? - let me tell you something in the guild the busiest and most in demand people are the mount and armorsmiths/weaponsmiths. Besides the number of crafters who make modules for cities to sell them to other guilds (see Haven for example).
Perhaps DF does not "pay" for you to explore, but its far more useful to scout an area and see the rock formations/rivers that can be used as cover or springboard for counterattack.
In EVE its just empty space....come on now...even with planets DFs exploring is much more valuable than EVEs
Not trashing EVE in the least, but its sad that you guys who come here and have no ideea about the game come and give us examples of how your precious is so much more that.
Give me a break
How many years has EVE been out? DF has been out for about like 5-6 weeks? There are mercenaries in Darkfall, there are several guilds who play this way. The fact that you didn't know this makes me think you might not be playing the game. A few of them PM'ed me about wanting to participate in the last article I wrote, but I didn't want to make it any longer.
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I played it for 2 weeks and sold my account for what I paid for it. The game looks good but has too many flaws. The slow,clunky,half assed attempt at FPS combat in an MMO setting was a joke. It felt like BF1942 slowed down 80%. The game IS skill based but doesnt take any skill to play
Oh really?
You neither own or play Darkfall. Thanks for sharing your enlightened information to all of us actually playing the game. Im 35 and have been playing pvp games since I was a kid. Honestly though who cares? this game is fun and that's all that matters. There will always be a special place in my heart for WW II online though
I'm not sure everyone caught this.
For months before and after release of DF, we should recognize that the problem is not the game itself. The game can improve or has potential. The problem is Aventurine. The company is crooked and has a horrible Public Representative in the name of Tasos Flambouras... what is worse is that their ability to rectify situations and the judgment of their GMs is nothing short of a crack-baby with a missile-launcher.
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
This is the problem with most Darkfall Fanboys.. they see any other game as a bad game... They can't see the forest for the trees, and their play experience is usually either so one sided in that they haven't played many games, or they played one game and compared every other game to that game.
The "This is the game that us PvPers have been waiting for".. Again.. a blind statement by someone who hasn't played many games. The style of PvP in Darkfall is NOTHING NEW. Let me stress again it's "NOTHING NEW". I've been playing skill based PvP games for a long time (AC, CS, Hell even AoC has real time combat) where you have to dodge, move, strike, run away, run back, jump, spin.. ETC.. F'n amatures who call Darkfall PvP revolutionary.. Get a clue and get out of the parents basement. There are a lot of games out there that can satisfy your PvP craving.
So, in closing, patch, I'd like to say that before you post do these things: 1. Think - Am I posting something that makes sense? 2. Delete what you have posted and write "edited" 3. click post.
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You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Actually you are right he is wrong, it is not a skill based game... a leveling game with only 4 levels.
This is the problem with most Darkfall Fanboys.. they see any other game as a bad game... They can't see the forest for the trees, and their play experience is usually either so one sided in that they haven't played many games, or they played one game and compared every other game to that game.
The "This is the game that us PvPers have been waiting for".. Again.. a blind statement by someone who hasn't played many games. The style of PvP in Darkfall is NOTHING NEW. Let me stress again it's "NOTHING NEW". I've been playing skill based PvP games for a long time (AC, CS, Hell even AoC has real time combat) where you have to dodge, move, strike, run away, run back, jump, spin.. ETC.. F'n amatures who call Darkfall PvP revolutionary.. Get a clue and get out of the parents basement. There are a lot of games out there that can satisfy your PvP craving.
So, in closing, patch, I'd like to say that before you post do these things: 1. Think - Am I posting something that makes sense? 2. Delete what you have posted and write "edited" 3. click post.
I know if you double-direction you get a dodge bonus or double-forward for charge bonus... there's a "jump" bonus for AoC? o.O When did this happen?
And just reminding me about these bonuses, helps me understand that AoC does seem to require a bit more skill... but I haven't seen these movement bonuses make a difference in the long run.
I haven't seen a civil discussion thread about this game yet, and I doubt I ever will. I would probably try it if the shop were ever up for more than an hour or two at a time. Can't say I have a good impression of the company behind it based on everything I've read, but I've definitely tried stinker games before, so if it is one, it wouldn't be the first.
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
I dont really see what Age of Conan has anything to do with this discussion.
DF is a twitch based combat system, where if you crouch at the right time the swing will go over your head....simple. It also helps alot against mounted players since they are high up and you are crouching.
If as you say AoC does not let jumping matter when youre swinging....well it seems like a design problem, perhaps petition Funcom about it than telling me monologues about a game you havent even played?
This is true.
Aventurine is making attempts to handle the chaos that is their game. It'd be cool if you actually got in, because that would show that there are improvements to capacity. However, based on the type of business structure this company has, I advise against joining right now. Too many mess-ups with handling billing and ludicrous Customer Support, let's not forget the GM insanity.
If I were you, bmdevine... avoid this game. Not for the game itself, but because Aventurine doesn't know wtf they're doing.
You are kidding right?
I suck at melee and get steamrolled everytime by a more experienced player with the same stats and weapon skills. Dude's just better at crouching under my swing and timing his hit so it hits me in the back. That is player skill, the real one
Not like all other mmorpgs where smashing on different keys plus the luck of the dice will determine the winner (lets not talk about the gear you have on, thats another matter onto itself)
What will you guys come up with to complain next, i mean come on "game is skill based but doesent take any skill to play" Roll On The Floor Laughing
Don't be so humble.
Let's say that the player who pwn'd you is a younger kid with less experience than you. Who plays spammable games like AoC where you just spam your combo or attack buttons, regardless of cooldowns. Crouching under your swing? Please. Not even Age of Conan lets jumping matter when you're swinging. You're getting hit as a complete avatar.
I dont really see what Age of Conan has anything to do with this discussion.
DF is a twitch based combat system, where if you crouch at the right time the swing will go over your head....simple. It also helps alot against mounted players since they are high up and you are crouching.
If as you say AoC does not let jumping matter when youre swinging....well it seems like a design problem, perhaps petition Funcom about it than telling me monologues about a game you havent even played?
Of course I've played, Darkfall.
I like to indulge in giving my money to poor quality companies that take me in the butt every night. But I enjoy the game, because I love how Aventurine treats me. Like my Darkfall Fan brothers... we all embrace our Battered Woman Syndrome. Father Tasos is pleased.
Age of Conan. Now that's money well spent. lol.. That game is well on its way to 1 server. support Funcom
So you thought the trolls were right... and you go and buy the game?
You make no sense.
This is why you like DF.
Fixed
I already made a thread about Darkfall but I'll comment here as well just to dispell the rumors...
All Darkfall has going for it is open PvP (which arguably is poorly designed and simplistic in itself) Crafting is useless for several reasons including the fact that armor is easily obtainable from the glitched out mobs and anyone can macro crafting up if they'd like to (not to mention equipment isn't a big deal in the game to begin with). PvE is weak A) because most of the world is empty
Because the AI is atrocious. And this isn't because it was meant to be a "PvP game". It was marketed as both, amongst other things (basically marketed as the ultimate sandbox MMO).
So have fun with your "Full loot PvP" and "Clan Politics" and "City Sieging" because that's all it has going for it (unfortunately for Darkfall there are plenty of games out there that do that better plus they actually have other features included). So, even if you try to get past the missing features, useless crafting, clunky UI, bugs, exploits, macroing, poor customer service, billing issues, "GM corruption", already outdated graphics, poor animations, lame fetch x trinkets from y mob quests, etc. etc. etc. you'll realize the game is broken from the core. It's lacking in good core design and that can't be fixed with patches.
On a positive side Darkfall seems to bind all those morons, cheaters and other Knalltueten that otherwise would waste our time and patience in the better games. I don't want to play this crap but where can I make a donation please?
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
Oh, and... go back to wow.
Holy crap 3 pages and we finally have it word for word.
I'm not on either side of this war.....it's too amusing watching from afar.
Dude, you have never ever played this game. Don't you have anything better to do than go around and bash it on a a random internet forum? It might be a good idea to get a life or a girlfirend.
There are a ton of us who are enjoying the game and want to have a serious discussion about it. I've played the game since December (beta) and I just renewed my sub to six months. If you're not interested in playing, then guess what -- you don't have to.
Oh, and... go back to wow.
Yeah you're right I never played Darkfall. The memories of playing it must have come to me via a nightmare.
And yes I do need to get a life. How have I forgotten that playing DFO takes precedence over school and work and...friends (yeah I said it...friends...shall I leave a link for the definition?) I'll definitely go back to WoW...I just need to find the disks somewhere in the attic with all my other junk I love so dearly.
In the end the problem isnt DF as much as the POS company that runs it. You can scream indie and small all you want but in the end they are still poorly run and managed. And in giving this company money it continues to make it where they have 0 incentive to improved their practices. People bitch all the time about companies like SOE and EA but AV ranks right there with them. Tasos is the new Sme, a guy that promised the world and instead delivered dog poop in a non flamable bag.
This I think everyone should be able to agree with. But Tasos completed his mission I suppose. Bended reality (or flat out lied) to get the hype and pre-release numbers. Should be sued for false advertisement though, especially with the outdated website.
With all do respect, when a company has 10k-20k accounts for their game, that doesn't make it game of the year. Matter of fact, for a new release, that is pretty much crap. As I've said all along, no one's opinion matters about ANY game other than your own. It is important not to buy into hype and form your own opinion. I'm glad you are enjoying the game.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware
"Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product."