When on earth would you want 3 screens.. am I really missing out? cause from what I can tell that fat guy sitting at his computer did not look like he was having any fun, at all... what's the point of more screens or better graphics if your just a zombie anyway.
I'm waiting for the game that simulates someone scratching his balls so I can play that on 3 screens, now that would be an experience.
3 screens... really? When on earth would you want 3 screens.. am I really missing out? cause from what I can tell that fat guy sitting at his computer did not look like he was having any fun, at all... what's the point of more screens or better graphics if your just a zombie anyway. I'm waiting for the game that simulates someone scratching his balls so I can play that on 3 screens, now that would be an experience.
I'm waiting for the game that simulates someone scratching his balls so I can play that on 3 screens, now that would be an experience.
you want to see someone scratching his balls?.. on 3 screens?...WTF i think that there are other websites that enjoy this type of dreams.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
In my opinion those resoloutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res. Also if we're talking about support I believe the only cards to support DX 10.1 are ATI right now and shader 4.0 but this would be nit picking. With the AMD X4 955 BE the i7 is looking weaker, but if you want to blow all your cash for a cutting edge system then I suppose you could go Infitel.
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games. The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, alot of extra cash infact!
DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!
In my opinion those resolutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res.?????????
what the hell are you talking about...... you wouldn't want to play a game that big?
Or you think that that high of rez isnt............?
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games????
I hope your joking. there are so many things that come into play, that deal with the naked Eye . Try Performance. Frames that can Max out @ 60 FPS with V sync and Triple buffer on. Physics....... Right now Every Dev on the planet is moving forward making new tech and softwear, to keep on top.. case in point Adobe CS4 integrated with CUDA.. a nvidia TM that runs Physics for apps. Just that alone will make 30 mil Graphic artist go NIVIDA (seeing how im one of them)
. So keeping you system in a a bare min? Just play and run what is out at the moment ? Thst is the fucking worst Idea i ever heard.
The only selling point that you all keep stating is that ATI and AMD is a broke ass solution for performance... and if you follow your logic you will upgrade twice as fast as us, or you will always behind.
and to prove that with you....what are you running right now, and when was the last time you upgraded? What Apps and games are you playing now? What settings, and rez?
You keep pulling shit out of your ass, and yet you have not stated if you have the grounds to speak. I checked your post in the past ,and your a blind AMD fan.. and i wonder where its coming from?
Have you ever run even close to a high end Intel or a Nvidia PC?
You keep re posting Facts from other's reviews like there your own.
What sort of PC are you running...... Every post i see you Blindly Recommending AMD to everyone......and giving out AMD ATI Bias info.......
AND you have the nerve to post "FANBOY".
I am almost certain that your running old BS, and dest-top brick..........and telling everone what they should get.?.. I bet u have less than 3 years in building PC's ( most likely A barebones kid, adding a few pieces.)
Post your Shit....
I'M sick of getting in debates with people Spitting out Others points..... for a battle they haven't even been a part of. ( its like a Race Car Fan telling A Daytona 500 Tech what parts he should use.)
Where is your HIGH END SYSTEM THAT CAN BEAT A INTEL HANDS DOWN FOR CHEAP! (you don't take advice from someone that reads Ad's and reviews all day you take it from someone that uses high end equipment)
POST IT.
Well I'm very sorry if I ruffled your feathers, the "fanbois" reference was a tongue in cheek reference to myself. I give my opinion as you do on forums so naturally we're both biased to some degree, although most here have the ability to do that without the need to sink to infantile abuse and profanity.
As to how long I've been building systems, I'd say about 5 years now. At first for myself to avoiding having to trash down the shop to get something fixed or looked at or installed. But now I like to do it and it saves money. Later I'd do it for friends and help fix peoples PCs in the same apartment block and started making a little money on it, I do quite well now.
As for the resoloutions you mentioned, I've never used resoloutions that high nor do I know anyone that plays MMORPGs at that resoloution on a regular basis. I don't know anyone that uses three graphics or has three monitors, so in my opinion there is no need for those cards or resoloutions. I'm sorry if my opinion makes you hot under the collar, but that is my opinion and I have no reason to state otherwise.
We can argue about ATI vs Nvidia and FPS until the cows come home, but the facts are that you're not going to need more than 60 FPS in a game. There are two cards to go for and that's the GTX 295 or the 4870 X2, either one will be more than enough and would you notice a difference in FPS? I doubt it. ATI performs better in some programs whereas Nvidia in others but for gaming the only difference you'll see is in the price. Nvidia costing atleast £100 more in the UK, porobably a similar difference in Australia.
What system am I running? It's Intel, I recently moved and lost my old Intel rig which was a nice dual core with an Nvidia GPU. I'm now building a new system and borrowing this comp, so I looked at the market and I believe AMD offers the best deal along with the best prospects for upgrading. You don't need a bleeding edge i7 extreme system to run an MMORPG, so I'm going to be assembling next month a system with an X3 720 BE, AM3 motherboard, 4 GB DDR3 (1600mhz) and I'll probably get the GPU later or just buy a 4850.
Do I need more to play an MMORPG as fast as one of your bleeding edge Intel setups? I think most would say no, the difference would be so small if any that it wouldn't justify the extra expense. And I can always upgrade easily in the future or overclock the CPU if needed (maybe even unlock the fourth core, it is a 0904 batch).
I'd suggest you might try to carry yourself with a little more decorum here, especially if posting first time. There is no reason to start throwing purile abuse and call names just because someone disagrees with you. I'm am AMD fanbois but most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s So just take it easy man, the world will keep turning even though others have different opinions to yourself.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
In my opinion those resoloutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res. Also if we're talking about support I believe the only cards to support DX 10.1 are ATI right now and shader 4.0 but this would be nit picking. With the AMD X4 955 BE the i7 is looking weaker, but if you want to blow all your cash for a cutting edge system then I suppose you could go Infitel.
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games. The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, alot of extra cash infact!
DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!
In my opinion those resolutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res.?????????
what the hell are you talking about...... you wouldn't want to play a game that big?
Or you think that that high of rez isnt............?
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games????
I hope your joking. there are so many things that come into play, that deal with the naked Eye . Try Performance. Frames that can Max out @ 60 FPS with V sync and Triple buffer on. Physics....... Right now Every Dev on the planet is moving forward making new tech and softwear, to keep on top.. case in point Adobe CS4 integrated with CUDA.. a nvidia TM that runs Physics for apps. Just that alone will make 30 mil Graphic artist go NIVIDA (seeing how im one of them)
. So keeping you system in a a bare min? Just play and run what is out at the moment ? Thst is the fucking worst Idea i ever heard.
The only selling point that you all keep stating is that ATI and AMD is a broke ass solution for performance... and if you follow your logic you will upgrade twice as fast as us, or you will always behind.
and to prove that with you....what are you running right now, and when was the last time you upgraded? What Apps and games are you playing now? What settings, and rez?
You keep pulling shit out of your ass, and yet you have not stated if you have the grounds to speak. I checked your post in the past ,and your a blind AMD fan.. and i wonder where its coming from?
Have you ever run even close to a high end Intel or a Nvidia PC?
You keep re posting Facts from other's reviews like there your own.
What sort of PC are you running...... Every post i see you Blindly Recommending AMD to everyone......and giving out AMD ATI Bias info.......
AND you have the nerve to post "FANBOY".
I am almost certain that your running old BS, and dest-top brick..........and telling everone what they should get.?.. I bet u have less than 3 years in building PC's ( most likely A barebones kid, adding a few pieces.)
Post your Shit....
I'M sick of getting in debates with people Spitting out Others points..... for a battle they haven't even been a part of. ( its like a Race Car Fan telling A Daytona 500 Tech what parts he should use.)
Where is your HIGH END SYSTEM THAT CAN BEAT A INTEL HANDS DOWN FOR CHEAP! (you don't take advice from someone that reads Ad's and reviews all day you take it from someone that uses high end equipment)
POST IT.
Well I'm very sorry if I ruffled your feathers, the "fanbois" reference was a tongue in cheek reference to myself. I give my opinion as you do on forums so naturally we're both biased to some degree, although most here have the ability to do that without the need to sink to infantile abuse and profanity.
As to how long I've been building systems, I'd say about 5 years now. At first for myself to avoiding having to trash down the shop to get something fixed or looked at or installed. But now I like to do it and it saves money. Later I'd do it for friends and help fix peoples PCs in the same apartment block and started making a little money on it, I do quite well now.
As for the resoloutions you mentioned, I've never used resoloutions that high nor do I know anyone that plays MMORPGs at that resoloution on a regular basis. I don't know anyone that uses three graphics or has three monitors, so in my opinion there is no need for those cards or resoloutions. I'm sorry if my opinion makes you hot under the collar, but that is my opinion and I have no reason to state otherwise.
We can argue about ATI vs Nvidia and FPS until the cows come home, but the facts are that you're not going to need more than 60 FPS in a game. There are two cards to go for and that's the GTX 295 or the 4870 X2, either one will be more than enough and would you notice a difference in FPS? I doubt it. ATI performs better in some programs whereas Nvidia in others but for gaming the only difference you'll see is in the price. Nvidia costing atleast £100 more in the UK, porobably a similar difference in Australia.
What system am I running? It's Intel, I recently moved and lost my old Intel rig which was a nice dual core with an Nvidia GPU. I'm now building a new system and borrowing this comp, so I looked at the market and I believe AMD offers the best deal along with the best prospects for upgrading. You don't need a bleeding edge i7 extreme system to run an MMORPG, so I'm going to be assembling next month a system with an X3 720 BE, AM3 motherboard, 4 GB DDR3 (1600mhz) and I'll probably get the GPU later or just buy a 4850.
Do I need more to play an MMORPG as fast as one of your bleeding edge Intel setups? I think most would say no, the difference would be so small if any that it wouldn't justify the extra expense. And I can always upgrade easily in the future or overclock the CPU if needed (maybe even unlock the fourth core, it is a 0904 batch).
I'd suggest you might try to carry yourself with a little more decorum here, especially if posting first time. There is no reason to start throwing purile abuse and call names just because someone disagrees with you. I'm am AMD fanbois but most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s So just take it easy man, the world will keep turning even though others have different opinions to yourself.
Nice.... you like to back track much?. Your going to pull the "im being cool so chill"? but you out right just admitted that you have no place to talk, about the do's and donts in PC building....you can have your "Opinions all you want. But in this case, when someone is looking to spend Money and need help. Offering your "Opinions" based off little or no Facts?....You don't have some AMD setup that Can compair or beat a Intel system... for cheaper than Intel....and yet you are telling people that the should listen to you? That's BS...flat out. you then turn to Nerd Speak hopeing to pull a few people to your Defence? With comments like "BURN" but all you did was make yourself look like an ass.
u don't have the facts beyond reading on-line and other's reviews about high -end PCs... You assume that because all you do is play low end MMO's that's what he is looking to do as well. I know people like you in real life. Broke... trying to point the finger at people that have money, telling them they are morons for paying for the best. You Do this to make up for your short comings.
Comments like this "most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s " and The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, allot of extra cash infact! DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!" Prove that you hate the fact that someone else might have a better rig than you.
then you back track and Act "like you just a humble gamer with little needs." when your posting about AMD's new bad ass super fast chip that your going Kill Intel?
that's punk shit.
And normally i would not even care...but when people with little or no Tech skills are looking to buy a PC, you hop all over them with you AMD / ATI Hype. With no real personal Exp?
If you had kept yourself in a "I like Low end AMD and ATI...it works for me when i play WoW ." that would have been strait.
but instead you have to drop the "Intel dig" in all your comments...and you have no leg to stand on.
And the fact that you do not know what this guy wants to do...he might want to play Crysis and run high end apps.. I don't know either
after this point. My beef is with people like you that have been giving out horrid info.. to people that don't know any better.
And also im a real gamer. I play games and build the PC around games.....I don't give a Shit what CPU or GPU make is run.. as long as it runs it the best.
The reason why anyone should go with Intel Nvidia.. is simple. They are a giant! AMD & Intel has 1 up'd each other with every new release.... back and forth. So when that happens you stop looking at the hardware and start looking at the company's.......
And which company would you want Stock in.......Intel. It doesnt matter if they lie or over hype....Or that they have more marketing that gets to more consumers. they are one of the largest Corps on the planet and are not going any-ware. (you dont hop on the losing team if you want to win. unless its your pride?) And you think AMD has this Force? you are mistaken
Even AMD admits having a fall out for years. and they Are pulling a last ditch effort to save face with this chip.
Do you even to understand that if this chip doesn't "live up" to what they hope. and if the i5 doesn't just stomp it out... AMD will be back in the gutter. with all the low end buyers. I remember when AMD was new on the block (just a alt CPU company in the back of PC magazines for people that didnt have the cake for PC) they can reach that point again. Company's like GM motors are on the brink right now , from the US economic crisis. you think AMD and Battle to stay on top of intel.....you must be kidding. Everyware you look i see intel. not AMD. everything the future is putting the money on Intel , Nvidia, Windows, Graphic Apps. dont get left behind . it happens in the PC world all the time... if you have been gaming and running PC's as long as i have you would understand this. look at all the lost un-supported hardware and Software... Zip disks, Jazz Drives. DX8, soon to be DX9. Games that can not be played on XP or Vista. you think they are going to slow down and support the low end consumer...lol they go to wear the money is at. so upgrade you PC every year with that low end Logic when going my route will last you 2 years. for a few dollars more.
the i7 IS THE FASTEST CHIP ON THE PLANT .....fact
AMD is so cheap AMD under cuts Intel to Stay Afloat as a business.... Fact
IF AMD stayed on top or at least on par with Intel for more than Just one Chip every now and then ..
and if AMD and ATI ran faster than intel. for more than a few years i would go back..... Cause I'm a real gamer. I play everything that moves and i play it the way it was meant to be. (i still have my ATI 850 plat pro sitting in a box...lol i payed $540 retail for that) so dont tell me about ATI/ AMD high end PC s
Stop your BS AMD crap... I would take it if you knew your Tech and you were a AMD / ATI guru.
but im fighting an Advertisement every time you speak.....
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions.
Agricola ;(
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions. Agricola ;(
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions. Agricola ;(
You my friend are brilliant. Don't do it! I love reading your posts. You get it....nuff said.
Judas Priest album suicide reference....brilliant...heheh
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
If you're going the Infitel route: CPU: Whore I7 965 Etreme
QUOTE FULL OF WIN!!
quote full of loss.
why drop 1k on a cpu that does what a 2-300$ one does. unless your doing anythign extreme you dont need that.
best lineup,
motherboard is the most expensive right now, but will give you the most options available at the moment.
evga x58 classified
intel core i7 920 and overclock it to 4ghz
coolermaster v8 or v10 heatsink
antec 1200 case - or any other full tower case
2x 320gb 10k raptor or SSD drives for main - and also 1tb storage
get a CHEAP vid card right now, it will play all games, and will last until the end of the year. a gtx 260 would be fine. then at the end of the year get a gtx 300 series card when they launch.
corsair hx1000 watt power supply.
any dvd/blue ray burner ..whatever you need on that end.
6gb corsair dominators 1600mhz ram.
vista 64bit ultimate then upgrade to windows 7 64bit when its out
that should literally last you YEARS to come. sure computer parts are advancing bla bla, but that setup there, especially adding the 300 series vid card at the end of the year will still be just as good as any computer to come in the next year or two.
About time somone on these fourm got something right.......this is good advice
Dreadknot Approved..
Can you reccomend a good condom?
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions. Agricola ;(
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions. Agricola ;(
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
first off ....WTF are you talking about...are you even reading the same thread.....
what 20k monitor PROTOTYPE ARE YOU TALkING ABOUT!.
so if you want anyone to take you seriously... first quote the right person and second
HAve a fuckin clue.
The Monitor setup that Sir Drip is "USING" cost 300 for (digital) and you need 3 monitors that are 1650 x1080 the whole setup is under $700 $300 lest than a 30' monitor that is like 58' x 20 (or something) And there are over 150 games new and old that do support it.
did you eat paint chip when you were a baby.?
I explained what CUDA and physics do in my post, and what apps that use them...from here on out.
Moron
also if you read.... i was stating that "HE" has been saying that there is a AMD that blindly beats intel... and that "HE" has been fanboying.. I think you should have posted this to him. ...Or is this really cause you are riding AMD's...baaaaacock... and you are going to be a hypocrite, now that you realize that it was a AMD fan that was doing, what you thought I was?
im a kid? you just made yourself look less than 12. ....whos the "Fanboy"
"you don't want to play o that high rez? " you keep posting???????????
i said it once..... asking the question what he meant.....
you sir are single handed.......... one of the dumbest people i have ever spoke to....
you not coming back to this thread? sure great...you just made my brain hurt....I will take Agricola1's BS any day..... if i don't have to read your ramblings again
No wonder mankind is doomed... if this is what what is being produced. where are you from? so i can put it on my list of place's not to go. Places where they the there nut job's walk the street
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
If you're going the Infitel route: CPU: Whore I7 965 Etreme
QUOTE FULL OF WIN!!
quote full of loss.
why drop 1k on a cpu that does what a 2-300$ one does. unless your doing anythign extreme you dont need that.
best lineup,
motherboard is the most expensive right now, but will give you the most options available at the moment.
evga x58 classified
intel core i7 920 and overclock it to 4ghz
coolermaster v8 or v10 heatsink
antec 1200 case - or any other full tower case
2x 320gb 10k raptor or SSD drives for main - and also 1tb storage
get a CHEAP vid card right now, it will play all games, and will last until the end of the year. a gtx 260 would be fine. then at the end of the year get a gtx 300 series card when they launch.
corsair hx1000 watt power supply.
any dvd/blue ray burner ..whatever you need on that end.
6gb corsair dominators 1600mhz ram.
vista 64bit ultimate then upgrade to windows 7 64bit when its out
that should literally last you YEARS to come. sure computer parts are advancing bla bla, but that setup there, especially adding the 300 series vid card at the end of the year will still be just as good as any computer to come in the next year or two.
About time somone on these fourm got something right.......this is good advice
Dreadknot Approved..
Can you reccomend a good condom?
only the one your dad should have used before you were concived.;)
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Hey, Ive got 7,000 AUD to blow and wanted to get a mean computer but am unsure of what to get. Could you please point me in the right direction or post the gaming PC here. Thanks in advance Regards, Tim
Hello everyone...Im a new member and would like to give some input to your build.
If you would like to be blown away with gaming bliss and you really have the cash...Go with Intel and nvidia.
How would you like to game on a 60 inch + widescreen display. That's right 60+ inches of gamming bliss. The company Matrox and their Triple head 2 go Digi...makes this happen. You will be running a res @5040 x 1050 across 3 screens (3 x 22', 3 x 24', or 3 x 30') take your pick...However Amd / Ati do not support that high of a res,(3840 x 1024 is the best it will do ..or somthing close) and fall short as always! 2nd....if you use a Ati x2 card or 2 Ati in crossfire, you still cannot reach the 5040 x1050 mark (the last time i checked)! This can only be done with Nvidia cards(one ,two or 3 cards) depending on what kind of frame rates you would like, 3rd...Ati has no Physx...So...
You can run 2 x 285's (in SLI of corse or tri SLI)and play the most demanding games to date and well in to to the years to come!
As for Amd vs Intel chips.... For gaming, there are not many games out that support Qcore and the ones that do..do it poorly! However..in the next year , you will be seeing more games supported. With the Intel chip and the x58 board you can run tri sli (3 cards). With Amd/ Ati ("NOT") you get what you pay for!
Alot of you guys may not know that Windows 7 was made and built on Intel and Nvidia platforms. So it's safe to say that W7 will run faster and better on the Intel /nvidia Qcore systems! I cant wait to see all the AMD/ATI cheap arses crying "I should of payed a little more for the best!
Look at some of this... though It's much better in person!
Look at the center screen...that is what everyone else is seeing with a single display. The 2 side displays are what a single display user is missing.
Well the 3 display setup isn't a bad upgrade...Payed $750.00 USD for three displays and the Matrox box. And you don't need a super computer to run it when playing most MMO's. I play FPS games so Im using a SLI setup to run the games I play.
Im running this...And I built this rig 13+ months ago....to play games and some internet use and that's it! (keeps the prosses down to a min)
EVGA 780i
INTEL e8400 @ 4.05 GHz (would of been the e8500 or e8600 but they wernt out yet)
2-EVGA 9800 GTX + (SLI) 804/1702/2249 clocks
patriot DDR2 1200 @ 1150 MHz 5-5-5-12
Antec 900 case (would of purchased the 1200 but they were't out yet)
Ac Freezer 7 pro CPU cooler ( CPU has never seen 55 degrees c )
OCZ 1000w PSU
2 -WD 160 GIG 7200 sata 3.0 16mb cashe drives in raid (0)
Maxtor 250 gig storage drive
Pioneer dvd / burner
upgraded 3 months ago:
Matrox TH2go and 3 Sceptre 20.2 displays @ 1680 x 1050 native rez. ( 3x 1680 x1050 gives you an overall 5040 x 1050 across 3 screens)
This system has been as soild as they come!
Now.. the games I play with this setup, with an avg. 60 frames or better..
at max settings...
BF2- 60 to 80 fps
Project reality ( a BF2 mod) 60 to 80 fps
AIX (Bf2 mod) 70 to 90 fps
POE2 80 to 100 fps
BF 2142 70 to 90 fps
HL2 80-90 fps
HL-2 MOD..insurgency 90 to 100 fps
Red orchestra 80 fps
Cod 4 60 to 80 fps
COD WAW 60 fps some times dips in the 50's
Med to high settings 60 fps or better:
Burnout Paradice City Ulti box 60 to 70 fps
Fallout 3- 60 fps
Fronlines 70 to 80 fps
NFS carbon 60 to 70 fps
med setting @ 60 fps or better
Wanted. wepons of fate 60 fps and dips a times
hawx 60 to 70 fps
Farcry 2 unplayable across 3 screens@ med settings
Crysis unplayable across 3 screens at med settings
These are real world numbers and you will not find them on any serch engines!
My next upgrade will be a Q9650 when needed (and will OC the hell out of it,) with games that support Qcore. Maybe 2- 285's when the price drops or 2- 300 series cards if the price is right. But I don't see DX 11 being used anytime soon!
As for MMO's this system will play them all other that maybe AOC @ 60 fps or better.
The pro's and con's of the Th2go....
Pro's:
Field Of View...the way it works is the center screen acts like any other single screen setup. The 2 side screens are used as perhifial vision screens. This really helps to detect people peeking around walls or flanking you and so on..where a single display only see's what is in front of them. at any rate you see so much more with 2 more screens. For a sniper it's a dream come true!!! You can plant yourself atop a building in a back corner and oversee all. you can sit there with no movement (so not detected) and wait for your foe's to stop moving so you can get a clean one shot kill. All this because you where watching them in the third screen and you didn't have to move a bit till you were ready to make the shot. The more you see the better.
Con's
Not much use inside buildings, However you will only focus on the center screen. so not really a con.
Pro's when using you desktop.
You have 3 screens to use.. meaning you can have 3 web pages open (one) on each screen or 2 of them and a movie playing on the third screen. Very helpfull for people that use photoshop, video editing software , sound editing software, CAD software Ect...
Cons NONE!
Things to know!
you will need monitors that will refreash @57 hz and support 1680x 1050 rez to obtain the max rez.of 5040x1050
Do not listen to the nay sayer's for they know not what they are saying....
The TH2go will not run at 5040x1050 on JUNK CARDS, Tho ATI and Matrox have been working on it for the past year . but have yet to get them to work on JUNK! Works with any 8000 series and up Nvidia cards!
However you can obtain a rez of 3840x1024 if your one of the unlucky ATI users.
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions. Agricola ;(
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
Well take a look at something you will never see with a ATI card.....This game is to be out in Aug of this year and will use prolly most complex Physx engine to date! Now you'll beable to pay it ..but it prolly look like you playing BF2 with your ATI card.lolol
This is what Physx looks like on a Nvidia card! Oh by the way...This video is a "IN GAME " video.
Comments
3 screens... really?
When on earth would you want 3 screens.. am I really missing out? cause from what I can tell that fat guy sitting at his computer did not look like he was having any fun, at all... what's the point of more screens or better graphics if your just a zombie anyway.
I'm waiting for the game that simulates someone scratching his balls so I can play that on 3 screens, now that would be an experience.
I'm waiting for the game that simulates someone scratching his balls so I can play that on 3 screens, now that would be an experience.
you want to see someone scratching his balls?.. on 3 screens?...WTF i think that there are other websites that enjoy this type of dreams.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Must stop fanbois rage ... must stop anger ....
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ripps shirt*
In my opinion those resoloutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res. Also if we're talking about support I believe the only cards to support DX 10.1 are ATI right now and shader 4.0 but this would be nit picking. With the AMD X4 955 BE the i7 is looking weaker, but if you want to blow all your cash for a cutting edge system then I suppose you could go Infitel.
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games. The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, alot of extra cash infact!
DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!
In my opinion those resolutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res.?????????
what the hell are you talking about...... you wouldn't want to play a game that big?
Or you think that that high of rez isnt............?
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games????
I hope your joking. there are so many things that come into play, that deal with the naked Eye . Try Performance. Frames that can Max out @ 60 FPS with V sync and Triple buffer on. Physics....... Right now Every Dev on the planet is moving forward making new tech and softwear, to keep on top.. case in point Adobe CS4 integrated with CUDA.. a nvidia TM that runs Physics for apps. Just that alone will make 30 mil Graphic artist go NIVIDA (seeing how im one of them)
. So keeping you system in a a bare min? Just play and run what is out at the moment ? Thst is the fucking worst Idea i ever heard.
The only selling point that you all keep stating is that ATI and AMD is a broke ass solution for performance... and if you follow your logic you will upgrade twice as fast as us, or you will always behind.
and to prove that with you....what are you running right now, and when was the last time you upgraded? What Apps and games are you playing now? What settings, and rez?
You keep pulling shit out of your ass, and yet you have not stated if you have the grounds to speak. I checked your post in the past ,and your a blind AMD fan.. and i wonder where its coming from?
Have you ever run even close to a high end Intel or a Nvidia PC?
You keep re posting Facts from other's reviews like there your own.
What sort of PC are you running...... Every post i see you Blindly Recommending AMD to everyone......and giving out AMD ATI Bias info.......
AND you have the nerve to post "FANBOY".
I am almost certain that your running old BS, and dest-top brick..........and telling everone what they should get.?.. I bet u have less than 3 years in building PC's ( most likely A barebones kid, adding a few pieces.)
Post your Shit....
I'M sick of getting in debates with people Spitting out Others points..... for a battle they haven't even been a part of. ( its like a Race Car Fan telling A Daytona 500 Tech what parts he should use.)
Where is your HIGH END SYSTEM THAT CAN BEAT A INTEL HANDS DOWN FOR CHEAP! (you don't take advice from someone that reads Ad's and reviews all day you take it from someone that uses high end equipment)
POST IT.
Well I'm very sorry if I ruffled your feathers, the "fanbois" reference was a tongue in cheek reference to myself. I give my opinion as you do on forums so naturally we're both biased to some degree, although most here have the ability to do that without the need to sink to infantile abuse and profanity.
As to how long I've been building systems, I'd say about 5 years now. At first for myself to avoiding having to trash down the shop to get something fixed or looked at or installed. But now I like to do it and it saves money. Later I'd do it for friends and help fix peoples PCs in the same apartment block and started making a little money on it, I do quite well now.
As for the resoloutions you mentioned, I've never used resoloutions that high nor do I know anyone that plays MMORPGs at that resoloution on a regular basis. I don't know anyone that uses three graphics or has three monitors, so in my opinion there is no need for those cards or resoloutions. I'm sorry if my opinion makes you hot under the collar, but that is my opinion and I have no reason to state otherwise.
We can argue about ATI vs Nvidia and FPS until the cows come home, but the facts are that you're not going to need more than 60 FPS in a game. There are two cards to go for and that's the GTX 295 or the 4870 X2, either one will be more than enough and would you notice a difference in FPS? I doubt it. ATI performs better in some programs whereas Nvidia in others but for gaming the only difference you'll see is in the price. Nvidia costing atleast £100 more in the UK, porobably a similar difference in Australia.
What system am I running? It's Intel, I recently moved and lost my old Intel rig which was a nice dual core with an Nvidia GPU. I'm now building a new system and borrowing this comp, so I looked at the market and I believe AMD offers the best deal along with the best prospects for upgrading. You don't need a bleeding edge i7 extreme system to run an MMORPG, so I'm going to be assembling next month a system with an X3 720 BE, AM3 motherboard, 4 GB DDR3 (1600mhz) and I'll probably get the GPU later or just buy a 4850.
Do I need more to play an MMORPG as fast as one of your bleeding edge Intel setups? I think most would say no, the difference would be so small if any that it wouldn't justify the extra expense. And I can always upgrade easily in the future or overclock the CPU if needed (maybe even unlock the fourth core, it is a 0904 batch).
I'd suggest you might try to carry yourself with a little more decorum here, especially if posting first time. There is no reason to start throwing purile abuse and call names just because someone disagrees with you. I'm am AMD fanbois but most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s So just take it easy man, the world will keep turning even though others have different opinions to yourself.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Must stop fanbois rage ... must stop anger ....
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
*ripps shirt*
In my opinion those resoloutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res. Also if we're talking about support I believe the only cards to support DX 10.1 are ATI right now and shader 4.0 but this would be nit picking. With the AMD X4 955 BE the i7 is looking weaker, but if you want to blow all your cash for a cutting edge system then I suppose you could go Infitel.
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games. The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, alot of extra cash infact!
DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!
In my opinion those resolutions are very unrealistic, I wouldn't be playing anything at such a high res.?????????
what the hell are you talking about...... you wouldn't want to play a game that big?
Or you think that that high of rez isnt............?
But the actual difference between going AMD + ATI or Intel + Nvidia is not distinguishable by the human eye when playing actual games????
I hope your joking. there are so many things that come into play, that deal with the naked Eye . Try Performance. Frames that can Max out @ 60 FPS with V sync and Triple buffer on. Physics....... Right now Every Dev on the planet is moving forward making new tech and softwear, to keep on top.. case in point Adobe CS4 integrated with CUDA.. a nvidia TM that runs Physics for apps. Just that alone will make 30 mil Graphic artist go NIVIDA (seeing how im one of them)
. So keeping you system in a a bare min? Just play and run what is out at the moment ? Thst is the fucking worst Idea i ever heard.
The only selling point that you all keep stating is that ATI and AMD is a broke ass solution for performance... and if you follow your logic you will upgrade twice as fast as us, or you will always behind.
and to prove that with you....what are you running right now, and when was the last time you upgraded? What Apps and games are you playing now? What settings, and rez?
You keep pulling shit out of your ass, and yet you have not stated if you have the grounds to speak. I checked your post in the past ,and your a blind AMD fan.. and i wonder where its coming from?
Have you ever run even close to a high end Intel or a Nvidia PC?
You keep re posting Facts from other's reviews like there your own.
What sort of PC are you running...... Every post i see you Blindly Recommending AMD to everyone......and giving out AMD ATI Bias info.......
AND you have the nerve to post "FANBOY".
I am almost certain that your running old BS, and dest-top brick..........and telling everone what they should get.?.. I bet u have less than 3 years in building PC's ( most likely A barebones kid, adding a few pieces.)
Post your Shit....
I'M sick of getting in debates with people Spitting out Others points..... for a battle they haven't even been a part of. ( its like a Race Car Fan telling A Daytona 500 Tech what parts he should use.)
Where is your HIGH END SYSTEM THAT CAN BEAT A INTEL HANDS DOWN FOR CHEAP! (you don't take advice from someone that reads Ad's and reviews all day you take it from someone that uses high end equipment)
POST IT.
Well I'm very sorry if I ruffled your feathers, the "fanbois" reference was a tongue in cheek reference to myself. I give my opinion as you do on forums so naturally we're both biased to some degree, although most here have the ability to do that without the need to sink to infantile abuse and profanity.
As to how long I've been building systems, I'd say about 5 years now. At first for myself to avoiding having to trash down the shop to get something fixed or looked at or installed. But now I like to do it and it saves money. Later I'd do it for friends and help fix peoples PCs in the same apartment block and started making a little money on it, I do quite well now.
As for the resoloutions you mentioned, I've never used resoloutions that high nor do I know anyone that plays MMORPGs at that resoloution on a regular basis. I don't know anyone that uses three graphics or has three monitors, so in my opinion there is no need for those cards or resoloutions. I'm sorry if my opinion makes you hot under the collar, but that is my opinion and I have no reason to state otherwise.
We can argue about ATI vs Nvidia and FPS until the cows come home, but the facts are that you're not going to need more than 60 FPS in a game. There are two cards to go for and that's the GTX 295 or the 4870 X2, either one will be more than enough and would you notice a difference in FPS? I doubt it. ATI performs better in some programs whereas Nvidia in others but for gaming the only difference you'll see is in the price. Nvidia costing atleast £100 more in the UK, porobably a similar difference in Australia.
What system am I running? It's Intel, I recently moved and lost my old Intel rig which was a nice dual core with an Nvidia GPU. I'm now building a new system and borrowing this comp, so I looked at the market and I believe AMD offers the best deal along with the best prospects for upgrading. You don't need a bleeding edge i7 extreme system to run an MMORPG, so I'm going to be assembling next month a system with an X3 720 BE, AM3 motherboard, 4 GB DDR3 (1600mhz) and I'll probably get the GPU later or just buy a 4850.
Do I need more to play an MMORPG as fast as one of your bleeding edge Intel setups? I think most would say no, the difference would be so small if any that it wouldn't justify the extra expense. And I can always upgrade easily in the future or overclock the CPU if needed (maybe even unlock the fourth core, it is a 0904 batch).
I'd suggest you might try to carry yourself with a little more decorum here, especially if posting first time. There is no reason to start throwing purile abuse and call names just because someone disagrees with you. I'm am AMD fanbois but most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s So just take it easy man, the world will keep turning even though others have different opinions to yourself.
Nice.... you like to back track much?. Your going to pull the "im being cool so chill"? but you out right just admitted that you have no place to talk, about the do's and donts in PC building....you can have your "Opinions all you want. But in this case, when someone is looking to spend Money and need help. Offering your "Opinions" based off little or no Facts?....You don't have some AMD setup that Can compair or beat a Intel system... for cheaper than Intel....and yet you are telling people that the should listen to you? That's BS...flat out. you then turn to Nerd Speak hopeing to pull a few people to your Defence? With comments like "BURN" but all you did was make yourself look like an ass.
u don't have the facts beyond reading on-line and other's reviews about high -end PCs... You assume that because all you do is play low end MMO's that's what he is looking to do as well. I know people like you in real life. Broke... trying to point the finger at people that have money, telling them they are morons for paying for the best. You Do this to make up for your short comings.
Comments like this "most Infitel users just feel sorry for me as they stroke their whore i7s " and The only difference is that Intel will clean out your bank account whereas AMD leaves you some extra cash, allot of extra cash infact! DEATH TO THE INFITEL! AMD VULT!" Prove that you hate the fact that someone else might have a better rig than you.
then you back track and Act "like you just a humble gamer with little needs." when your posting about AMD's new bad ass super fast chip that your going Kill Intel?
that's punk shit.
And normally i would not even care...but when people with little or no Tech skills are looking to buy a PC, you hop all over them with you AMD / ATI Hype. With no real personal Exp?
If you had kept yourself in a "I like Low end AMD and ATI...it works for me when i play WoW ." that would have been strait.
but instead you have to drop the "Intel dig" in all your comments...and you have no leg to stand on.
And the fact that you do not know what this guy wants to do...he might want to play Crysis and run high end apps.. I don't know either
after this point. My beef is with people like you that have been giving out horrid info.. to people that don't know any better.
And also im a real gamer. I play games and build the PC around games.....I don't give a Shit what CPU or GPU make is run.. as long as it runs it the best.
The reason why anyone should go with Intel Nvidia.. is simple. They are a giant! AMD & Intel has 1 up'd each other with every new release.... back and forth. So when that happens you stop looking at the hardware and start looking at the company's.......
And which company would you want Stock in.......Intel. It doesnt matter if they lie or over hype....Or that they have more marketing that gets to more consumers. they are one of the largest Corps on the planet and are not going any-ware. (you dont hop on the losing team if you want to win. unless its your pride?) And you think AMD has this Force? you are mistaken
Even AMD admits having a fall out for years. and they Are pulling a last ditch effort to save face with this chip.
Do you even to understand that if this chip doesn't "live up" to what they hope. and if the i5 doesn't just stomp it out... AMD will be back in the gutter. with all the low end buyers. I remember when AMD was new on the block (just a alt CPU company in the back of PC magazines for people that didnt have the cake for PC) they can reach that point again. Company's like GM motors are on the brink right now , from the US economic crisis. you think AMD and Battle to stay on top of intel.....you must be kidding. Everyware you look i see intel. not AMD. everything the future is putting the money on Intel , Nvidia, Windows, Graphic Apps. dont get left behind . it happens in the PC world all the time... if you have been gaming and running PC's as long as i have you would understand this. look at all the lost un-supported hardware and Software... Zip disks, Jazz Drives. DX8, soon to be DX9. Games that can not be played on XP or Vista. you think they are going to slow down and support the low end consumer...lol they go to wear the money is at. so upgrade you PC every year with that low end Logic when going my route will last you 2 years. for a few dollars more.
the i7 IS THE FASTEST CHIP ON THE PLANT .....fact
AMD is so cheap AMD under cuts Intel to Stay Afloat as a business.... Fact
IF AMD stayed on top or at least on par with Intel for more than Just one Chip every now and then ..
and if AMD and ATI ran faster than intel. for more than a few years i would go back..... Cause I'm a real gamer. I play everything that moves and i play it the way it was meant to be. (i still have my ATI 850 plat pro sitting in a box...lol i payed $540 retail for that) so dont tell me about ATI/ AMD high end PC s
Stop your BS AMD crap... I would take it if you knew your Tech and you were a AMD / ATI guru.
but im fighting an Advertisement every time you speak.....
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Well after reading that I've just realized how sad and pathetic my sorry existance really is, and how my life has amounted to nothing. My last act before retiring to my basement with a bottle of Vodka a revolver and a single bullet and my favourite Judas Priest album is to suggest we close these forums and just let this bloke answer all the questions.
Agricola ;(
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
That's exactly why they are a better value.
I want to play games with my PC but it doesn't like me.
So it does its thing and I do mine. Wish I had a gaming PC.
Lucky !
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
You my friend are brilliant. Don't do it! I love reading your posts. You get it....nuff said.
Judas Priest album suicide reference....brilliant...heheh
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
QUOTE FULL OF WIN!!
quote full of loss.
why drop 1k on a cpu that does what a 2-300$ one does. unless your doing anythign extreme you dont need that.
best lineup,
motherboard is the most expensive right now, but will give you the most options available at the moment.
evga x58 classified
intel core i7 920 and overclock it to 4ghz
coolermaster v8 or v10 heatsink
antec 1200 case - or any other full tower case
2x 320gb 10k raptor or SSD drives for main - and also 1tb storage
get a CHEAP vid card right now, it will play all games, and will last until the end of the year. a gtx 260 would be fine. then at the end of the year get a gtx 300 series card when they launch.
corsair hx1000 watt power supply.
any dvd/blue ray burner ..whatever you need on that end.
6gb corsair dominators 1600mhz ram.
vista 64bit ultimate then upgrade to windows 7 64bit when its out
that should literally last you YEARS to come. sure computer parts are advancing bla bla, but that setup there, especially adding the 300 series vid card at the end of the year will still be just as good as any computer to come in the next year or two.
About time somone on these fourm got something right.......this is good advice
Dreadknot Approved..
Can you reccomend a good condom?
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
http://www.krazywish.com/computer/worlds-biggest-computer-monitor/ beats one you mentioned
about your cuda/physics claim
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
http://www.krazywish.com/computer/worlds-biggest-computer-monitor/ beats one you mentioned
about your cuda/physics claim
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
first off ....WTF are you talking about...are you even reading the same thread.....
what 20k monitor PROTOTYPE ARE YOU TALkING ABOUT!.
are you mentioning that fact that the other guy brought up the "Triplehead2go" monitor setup.? http://www.matrox.com/graphics/surroundgaming/en/home/
so if you want anyone to take you seriously... first quote the right person and second
HAve a fuckin clue.
The Monitor setup that Sir Drip is "USING" cost 300 for (digital) and you need 3 monitors that are 1650 x1080 the whole setup is under $700 $300 lest than a 30' monitor that is like 58' x 20 (or something) And there are over 150 games new and old that do support it.
did you eat paint chip when you were a baby.?
I explained what CUDA and physics do in my post, and what apps that use them...from here on out.
Moron
also if you read.... i was stating that "HE" has been saying that there is a AMD that blindly beats intel... and that "HE" has been fanboying.. I think you should have posted this to him. ...Or is this really cause you are riding AMD's...baaaaacock... and you are going to be a hypocrite, now that you realize that it was a AMD fan that was doing, what you thought I was?
im a kid? you just made yourself look less than 12. ....whos the "Fanboy"
"you don't want to play o that high rez? " you keep posting???????????
i said it once..... asking the question what he meant.....
you sir are single handed.......... one of the dumbest people i have ever spoke to....
you not coming back to this thread? sure great...you just made my brain hurt....I will take Agricola1's BS any day..... if i don't have to read your ramblings again
No wonder mankind is doomed... if this is what what is being produced. where are you from? so i can put it on my list of place's not to go. Places where they the there nut job's walk the street
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
QUOTE FULL OF WIN!!
quote full of loss.
why drop 1k on a cpu that does what a 2-300$ one does. unless your doing anythign extreme you dont need that.
best lineup,
motherboard is the most expensive right now, but will give you the most options available at the moment.
evga x58 classified
intel core i7 920 and overclock it to 4ghz
coolermaster v8 or v10 heatsink
antec 1200 case - or any other full tower case
2x 320gb 10k raptor or SSD drives for main - and also 1tb storage
get a CHEAP vid card right now, it will play all games, and will last until the end of the year. a gtx 260 would be fine. then at the end of the year get a gtx 300 series card when they launch.
corsair hx1000 watt power supply.
any dvd/blue ray burner ..whatever you need on that end.
6gb corsair dominators 1600mhz ram.
vista 64bit ultimate then upgrade to windows 7 64bit when its out
that should literally last you YEARS to come. sure computer parts are advancing bla bla, but that setup there, especially adding the 300 series vid card at the end of the year will still be just as good as any computer to come in the next year or two.
About time somone on these fourm got something right.......this is good advice
Dreadknot Approved..
Can you reccomend a good condom?
only the one your dad should have used before you were concived.;)
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Hello everyone...Im a new member and would like to give some input to your build.
If you would like to be blown away with gaming bliss and you really have the cash...Go with Intel and nvidia.
How would you like to game on a 60 inch + widescreen display. That's right 60+ inches of gamming bliss. The company Matrox and their Triple head 2 go Digi...makes this happen. You will be running a res @5040 x 1050 across 3 screens (3 x 22', 3 x 24', or 3 x 30') take your pick...However Amd / Ati do not support that high of a res,(3840 x 1024 is the best it will do ..or somthing close) and fall short as always! 2nd....if you use a Ati x2 card or 2 Ati in crossfire, you still cannot reach the 5040 x1050 mark (the last time i checked)! This can only be done with Nvidia cards(one ,two or 3 cards) depending on what kind of frame rates you would like, 3rd...Ati has no Physx...So...
You can run 2 x 285's (in SLI of corse or tri SLI)and play the most demanding games to date and well in to to the years to come!
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/surroundgaming/en/home/
Some old pic's of the TH2Go
http://www.55six.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=365
http://www.55six.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1300#1300
http://www.55six.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=1263#1263
As for Amd vs Intel chips.... For gaming, there are not many games out that support Qcore and the ones that do..do it poorly! However..in the next year , you will be seeing more games supported. With the Intel chip and the x58 board you can run tri sli (3 cards). With Amd/ Ati ("NOT") you get what you pay for!
Alot of you guys may not know that Windows 7 was made and built on Intel and Nvidia platforms. So it's safe to say that W7 will run faster and better on the Intel /nvidia Qcore systems! I cant wait to see all the AMD/ATI cheap arses crying "I should of payed a little more for the best!
Look at some of this... though It's much better in person!
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=matrox&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=TH2go&aq=f
Look at the center screen...that is what everyone else is seeing with a single display. The 2 side displays are what a single display user is missing.
Well the 3 display setup isn't a bad upgrade...Payed $750.00 USD for three displays and the Matrox box. And you don't need a super computer to run it when playing most MMO's. I play FPS games so Im using a SLI setup to run the games I play.
Im running this...And I built this rig 13+ months ago....to play games and some internet use and that's it! (keeps the prosses down to a min)
EVGA 780i
INTEL e8400 @ 4.05 GHz (would of been the e8500 or e8600 but they wernt out yet)
2-EVGA 9800 GTX + (SLI) 804/1702/2249 clocks
patriot DDR2 1200 @ 1150 MHz 5-5-5-12
Antec 900 case (would of purchased the 1200 but they were't out yet)
Ac Freezer 7 pro CPU cooler ( CPU has never seen 55 degrees c )
OCZ 1000w PSU
2 -WD 160 GIG 7200 sata 3.0 16mb cashe drives in raid (0)
Maxtor 250 gig storage drive
Pioneer dvd / burner
upgraded 3 months ago:
Matrox TH2go and 3 Sceptre 20.2 displays @ 1680 x 1050 native rez. ( 3x 1680 x1050 gives you an overall 5040 x 1050 across 3 screens)
This system has been as soild as they come!
Now.. the games I play with this setup, with an avg. 60 frames or better..
at max settings...
BF2- 60 to 80 fps
Project reality ( a BF2 mod) 60 to 80 fps
AIX (Bf2 mod) 70 to 90 fps
POE2 80 to 100 fps
BF 2142 70 to 90 fps
HL2 80-90 fps
HL-2 MOD..insurgency 90 to 100 fps
Red orchestra 80 fps
Cod 4 60 to 80 fps
COD WAW 60 fps some times dips in the 50's
Med to high settings 60 fps or better:
Burnout Paradice City Ulti box 60 to 70 fps
Fallout 3- 60 fps
Fronlines 70 to 80 fps
NFS carbon 60 to 70 fps
med setting @ 60 fps or better
Wanted. wepons of fate 60 fps and dips a times
hawx 60 to 70 fps
Farcry 2 unplayable across 3 screens@ med settings
Crysis unplayable across 3 screens at med settings
These are real world numbers and you will not find them on any serch engines!
My next upgrade will be a Q9650 when needed (and will OC the hell out of it,) with games that support Qcore. Maybe 2- 285's when the price drops or 2- 300 series cards if the price is right. But I don't see DX 11 being used anytime soon!
As for MMO's this system will play them all other that maybe AOC @ 60 fps or better.
The pro's and con's of the Th2go....
Pro's:
Field Of View...the way it works is the center screen acts like any other single screen setup. The 2 side screens are used as perhifial vision screens. This really helps to detect people peeking around walls or flanking you and so on..where a single display only see's what is in front of them. at any rate you see so much more with 2 more screens. For a sniper it's a dream come true!!! You can plant yourself atop a building in a back corner and oversee all. you can sit there with no movement (so not detected) and wait for your foe's to stop moving so you can get a clean one shot kill. All this because you where watching them in the third screen and you didn't have to move a bit till you were ready to make the shot. The more you see the better.
Con's
Not much use inside buildings, However you will only focus on the center screen. so not really a con.
Pro's when using you desktop.
You have 3 screens to use.. meaning you can have 3 web pages open (one) on each screen or 2 of them and a movie playing on the third screen. Very helpfull for people that use photoshop, video editing software , sound editing software, CAD software Ect...
Cons NONE!
Things to know!
you will need monitors that will refreash @57 hz and support 1680x 1050 rez to obtain the max rez.of 5040x1050
Do not listen to the nay sayer's for they know not what they are saying....
The TH2go will not run at 5040x1050 on JUNK CARDS, Tho ATI and Matrox have been working on it for the past year . but have yet to get them to work on JUNK! Works with any 8000 series and up Nvidia cards!
However you can obtain a rez of 3840x1024 if your one of the unlucky ATI users.
Hope this helps!
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (nerdspeak...for i have nothing to say)
ahahahah i just love new computer posts, where someone pretends to know how the world turns, but in reality is clueless kid, pretending to be someone
first off, i am using both intel and nividia, you can shove youre fanboism up your ass, there is no such thing as nvidia better blidnly , or amd , for all i care, there can be new companny poping out producing best cpu/gfx , and ill go for it , whats best for consumer is competition ,
if you love so much nvidia and intel, you should love amd twice that, cuz if there wasnt amd, we still would be using gt 4800 , and pentium 4 , nothing moves without competition
about yours plain retarded claim about what is PROTOTYPE monitor and currently no games support it, and thus its useless, no you saying 6x1k , wow "you dont want to play o nthat high rez? " you keep posting
no i dont, cuz i cant, it doesnt exist, there is no game that supports that
there is no hardware that could support such gaming,
http://www.krazywish.com/computer/worlds-biggest-computer-monitor/ beats one you mentioned
about your cuda/physics claim
TELL ME MRS GAMER WHAT IS CUDE TO YOU ? where do you use cuda? maybe ur not a gamer after all ?
cuz if ur only gamer and not working with cuda its useless for you
about PhysX its neat little thingie , but you sound like nvidia while praising it, there was rly good review about it, few weeks ago, i cant find it now, probably nvidia bitchslapped writers, and forced them to pull it off, or they get cut out ( thats how nvidia is doing businless lattelly, google it, there is story on every major newsite )
there is very little to no use from physx atm , probably only real game that is worth bearing physx name gona be diablo 3 , till now thats forgot name.. ( running game, new from ea ) apart that there is nothing else rly, you get few leaves dropping in sacred 2, and others are just relativly unknown, unoticable games
7000 Australian dollars = 5 056.8 U.S. dollars
offering him to buy 20k dollars monitor which isnt even for sale, isnt helping at all,and since all your post is pure nvidia fanboism, maybe ur one that gets free gpu cards from nvidia , for adversiting them in forums ( that thing used to be huge 2 years ago , who knows about now )
so do us a favor, you clearly have set mindset, you said all you wanted, now you can gtfo, and you shouldnt bother making insulting repply to me, cuz i wont read this topic again.
Well take a look at something you will never see with a ATI card.....This game is to be out in Aug of this year and will use prolly most complex Physx engine to date! Now you'll beable to pay it ..but it prolly look like you playing BF2 with your ATI card.lolol
This is what Physx looks like on a Nvidia card! Oh by the way...This video is a "IN GAME " video.
http://pc.ign.com/dor/objects/14235421/red-faction-guerrilla/videos/redfaction_spc_montage_042209.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/red-faction-guerrilla/5303#User+MoviesAnchor