Bummer, I followed that website to help find out whether my husband was going to get paid or not They seemed to give information in a more timely fashion.
It's seriously has been since the end of March since anyone at CME was paid and it's a real struggle.
Hmm, webs.com offers free web space, though one can buy premium subscriptions. I'm not sure which this site used, as I have an ad-blocker that works pretty well, so I can't tell whether there were ads on it or not.
Perhaps that is ithe page one gets if you cancel a site... dunno.
And... if an automated counter gives one better info than management... that's pretty telling, though not surprising when it comes to CME ;-)
In any case, there's been nothing on the site for a month now
Actually, the front page was still getting text updates. The most recent I saw said no pay through the 5/22 pay period and gave a number of weeks. It also advised employees to file those back pay grievances. I wonder if urging people to take legal action is what got it wiped off?
I'm certainly one to caution not buying everything that is posted, but skepticism should not come out so quickly as vitriol.
And yes, I did look around (as she suggested, even), and found some corroborating data that points to which employee is her spouse. And no, I think I'll not make that explicit.
It's really sad to see CME's death spiral taking so many with it.
It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch.
However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums.
Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch. However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums. Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!
There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.
I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others. We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.
If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.
It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch. However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums. Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!
There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.
I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others. We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.
If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.
I agree, but the facts are that the SGW moderators are very selective in applying the RoC on the official forums. If their friends are abusing or making personal attacks they turn a blind eye to it and allow it to continue up until a point it becomes far to exruciatingly painfull for even them to tolerate, then they lock the thread. No bans, no suspensions at most they delete the embarassing posts.
For the most part they will leap upon anyone questioning CME and their managment of the game, deleting the post as spam or locking the thread ASAP and moving it to the nether regions of the forums never to be seen again. It's like having a football match between Chelsea and Liverpool, then recruiting all the linesmen and referee from the crowd of Chelsea supporters. Chelsea score an own goal but each time the referee calls a hand ball against Liverpool and disallows the goal. Liverpool score and he gets called offside, the player argues and it's a yellow card. He refuses to accept the blatantly bias Refs decision, red card. That is the SGW forums, and it's CMEs fault since they've had a self imposed "media blackout" for seven months now and there is nothing left to do but speculate on the state of the company. What else is there left to talk about? Even Michael Shanks said the game is failing and they leapt on him and according to the fan faithfull Michael Shanks is an arrogant drunk that hates talking to fans and hates conventions and even hates Stargate because it has type cast him, oh and he's a crap actor anyway. Brad Wright has done nothing to help the Stargate franchise and hates the fans because SGA has been cancelled, and he knows nothing. None of that gets moderated or stopped because they both said SGW is dead, personal attacks galore and encouraged by the MODs who decided not to enforce the RoC.
But one woman who has a husband working there is angry because her child has no health insurance, husband hasn't been paid in three months and the house is going into foreclosure. Well it's OK to slag her off too, but when it starts getting to embarrassing time to enforce the RoC and lock it with no bans for those abusers. But question Gary Whiting and his link to *****s oh sorry MMOGULs (the word is censored on the official forums) and immediate wipe and probably ban. If I asked on the official AoC forums about Funcom and its links to MMOGULs they'd laugh, wouldn't even lock the thread. MMOGULs isn't a censored word on their forums, but if I made personal attacks and abuse towards developers partners or actors in the movies I'd get an eventual suspension leading to a ban. That's the difference, AoC maybe wank but atleast they don't employ fanbois as moderators and let them run rampant abusing other members that don't agree with their point of view!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
have you ever considered the moderators are given guidlelines they have to follow.
Really I think your giving the moderators a hassle not because of what they do, but what they have done in the past, Personally I think they are told what to do, what the moderators are told to keep as guidelines, and follow them, since they are working for cme/firesky they cannot decide of the top of their own head what is and isnt allowed. Really, thinking the mods decide the rules is completely and utterly wrong, the moderators will moderate within they guidelines they have been given.
Unless you think that they run the whole show??? then your showing your nievity there. They will just be following orders, making a personal attack on a moderator is pretty low thing to do, as you know they cannot in all truth answer back, you may have opinions but really I think your throwing your frustration at the wrong people.
have you ever considered the moderators are given guidlelines they have to follow. Really I think your giving the moderators a hassle not because of what they do, but what they have done in the past, Personally I think they are told what to do, what the moderators are told to keep as guidelines, and follow them, since they are working for cme/firesky they cannot decide of the top of their own head what is and isnt allowed. Really, thinking the mods decide the rules is completely and utterly wrong, the moderators will moderate within they guidelines they have been given. Unless you think that they run the whole show??? then your showing your nievity there. They will just be following orders, making a personal attack on a moderator is pretty low thing to do, as you know they cannot in all truth answer back, you may have opinions but really I think your throwing your frustration at the wrong people.
I didn't say that they make the rules once in my post, I did say that they are very selective in enforcing those rules. For your information mods have been answering back and some have become quite vocal and abusive alongside DEVs now mocking those posting on the forums "You guys are awesome... I have so many things I want to say right now but I am laughing in hysteria at the moment
"I've just decided to put negative nancies on my ignore list. Sad that it should come to having to "ignore" someone in the forums, because if it really came to that then those sad sacks should have been banned a long time ago. But regardless, at the least I don't even have to look at their useless and immature drivel anymore. They can bait me and hate me and pick a fight all they want now, because they are talking to a brick wall.
I just feel sad for the newer members of forums, because the sad sacks aren't on their ignore lists, so the newer people have to put up with the negative smack and not know any better that the words of those people are lower than not worth hearing." (Sarizaddi, Roleplay guide). Not a very good post for a moderator, and he does have mod powers.
Do you still say it's just my opinion and I'm throwing frustration at the wrong people? My frustration is directed at CME for allowing these muppets to turn the SGW official forums into a wasteland populated by 10-20 people most being delusional fanbois encouraged by the muppets to abuse anyone who asks the wrong questions. Either that or I need to check my reading comprehension.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I can't make much of that case. I guess I don't speak legalese lol.
What I do know is that talking about it hurts the feelings of all the CME employees according to tkksnow. If we would all ignore the truth and the bad things and stop hurting their feelings, the game would come out and blah blah. /sarcasm
I go on vacation and all hell breaks loose around here. Here's some updated court stuff. I do want to point out that some of the court cases are "pro per" meaning that they dont have a real attorney representing them. Guess you have to pay the lawyers to get representation. ha ha ha
If only I had the energy to search the Utah courts too!
CME - Company
CV2008-021947 - Chandler Freeway Crossing (Office building they never finished building)
Impact - Millions
CV2008-054942 - Kinetik (Web or marketing services) Impact - $20,000
Looks like the page is back up again, under a new domain: Given the current timer, it looks like they haven't been paid since March 26/27, now 82 days ago - so this is a second wave of no pay. Question remains, how long can they last.
So I guess to some extent they were telling the truth that CME weren't paying money, but since CME and this racing sponsorship are all being bankrolled by the same pyramid scheme and Gary Whiting owns them all it's a very narrow minded technicality.
However those 10 posters left on the SGW official forums that actually believe TKKSnow would probably believe they were Asgard is if someone with a DEV account told them so!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Looks like the page is back up again, under a new domain: Given the current timer, it looks like they haven't been paid since March 26/27, now 82 days ago - so this is a second wave of no pay. Question remains, how long can they last.
In answer to the original poster's questions, as well as the topic of the thread itself, we are not setup to accept any donations for thee development of the game. As some people have quoted, with various nonofficial numbers, development costs are very high. While every little bit does help in the long-run, what CME is looking for now is long-term and solid investments so we can plan for the medium-to-long term of development schedules.
Really what we need now is the support of the community who are interested in the game. No game is perfect, and no development is perfect either, we do the best we can under the times. So, I'd like to remind you all that this is a community forum. Please take your speculation to the speculation forum, and we'll deal with it with answers. This is not a Jerry Springer forum, once you throw a chair for no good reason or rip off your shirt, you'll be removed from the studio.
So, to be clear, no amount of donations from the fans will be enough to help at this point. And don't speculate about anything or you will be banned.
9/5/09 Update: We continue to receive paychecks every other week! It's amazing the people that have returned to CME, especially ones from other studios that haven't done shit for the past two years. Guess with the new direction, we have to take them.
Payroll could be completely caught up here soon. Glad I did not give up.
Work on our first person shooter continues along and things are looking good!
Meanwhile, the SGW community manager continues to insist that talking about this stuff--that searching for the truth--damages "the moral" [sic] of the staff: To say that these posts from our community, and other game site's communities, are damaging the moral of developers is only half the story.
Funny that their "moral" is being damaged by us bringing light to the MLM scheme attached to their game from day 1 and not by the scheme itself. Finally, just for fun, the word of the day is morale.
That post by tkksnow really annoyed me. He basically called me immoral for posting info about their company that he wouldn't post himself.
Has anyone else heard about this - I have heard that Cheyenne has a new captain at the helm. Starting last Thursday, a guy named John Bellrose, came into the office and started poking around. He stated that Gary Whiting owed him money, so he was now taking over running the company until Whiting pays him. I wonder if this is the same John Bellrose that runs The Appraisal House - see link?
According to John's comments to some of the employees, Whiting is out and he is the new boss and he has made it clear that his focus is on getting a game out - he is not going to use investor money to pay old payroll or former vendors that are owed money from the past. He wants to make sure that Whiting doesn't get paid another dime or any of the rest of the management team. He thinks the employees and others should suck it up and wait to get paid when the game launches. Rumor has it that he has already fired Jenson and Hensley.
Has anyone else heard about this - I have heard that Cheyenne has a new captain at the helm. Starting last Thursday, a guy named John Bellrose, came into the office and started poking around. He stated that Gary Whiting owed him money, so he was now taking over running the company until Whiting pays him. I wonder if this is the same John Bellrose that runs The Appraisal House - see link? http://www.ripoffreport.com/Mesa-Mortgage/Mortgage-Companies/Mesa-Mortgage-Very-misleading-7D59F.htm According to John's comments to some of the employees, Whiting is out and he is the new boss and he has made it clear that his focus is on getting a game out - he is not going to use investor money to pay old payroll or former vendors that are owed money from the past. He wants to make sure that Whiting doesn't get paid another dime or any of the rest of the management team. He thinks the employees and others should suck it up and wait to get paid when the game launches. Rumor has it that he has already fired Jenson and Hensley.
Interesting story... No one challenged him on the take over? Is it legal? If not he is trespassing, and the police should be called to remove him. This situation has spun WILDLY out of control. Why hasn't the IP been pulled by the owner(MGM?). This just gets stranger and stranger.
The receiver named by the Utah court is Vick Deauvono. However, documents on the court site indicate that the AZ court has decided to not honor the Utah rulings. And there is no other case pending that could have that drastic an outcome, that I know of, unless there has been some action in a Federal court. (Bob?)
So, I have no clue as to the veracity of the story. I'd be skeptical until we find some other verification.
Edit: I see that Shane has logged onto the SGW official forums today, not that this is proof one way or the other, but continued access makes me somewhat doubt the story. And he hasn't posted any goodbyes, yet.
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Bummer, I followed that website to help find out whether my husband was going to get paid or not
They seemed to give information in a more timely fashion.
It's seriously has been since the end of March since anyone at CME was paid and it's a real struggle.
Hmm, webs.com offers free web space, though one can buy premium subscriptions. I'm not sure which this site used, as I have an ad-blocker that works pretty well, so I can't tell whether there were ads on it or not.
Perhaps that is ithe page one gets if you cancel a site... dunno.
And... if an automated counter gives one better info than management... that's pretty telling, though not surprising when it comes to CME ;-)
Actually, the front page was still getting text updates. The most recent I saw said no pay through the 5/22 pay period and gave a number of weeks. It also advised employees to file those back pay grievances. I wonder if urging people to take legal action is what got it wiped off?
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
So, it came back again after the "I'm done here" posting? That's about when I stopped paying attention.
Whoa... a spouse posted on the official forums, and the reaction she got left me speechless.
I'm certainly one to caution not buying everything that is posted, but skepticism should not come out so quickly as vitriol.
And yes, I did look around (as she suggested, even), and found some corroborating data that points to which employee is her spouse. And no, I think I'll not make that explicit.
It's really sad to see CME's death spiral taking so many with it.
It would be nice if I could say I'm shocked by their infantile behaviour, but I'm not. That has been the face of the SGW official forums for a long time, a few nut cases that drown out any real discussion over the state of the game with vile and nasty infantile abuse. The moderators are all members of this little gang and stick up for their friends and assist in the slap down of anyone else that questions the validity of CME. Since CME have released no information for 7 months there is nothing to talk about other than speculating on the state of the company and validity of the belief this MMORPG will get to launch.
However it is CME that have trashed their own image and not these FanOri, allowing them to run rampant on the official forums and promoting them to moderator positions is just another example of deplorable managment at CME. I and others commented on this last year in these forums about this situation, it could've been stopped then but CME has much bigger worries than cleaning up their forums.
Considering that all staff (except upper managment) are working just like the moderators on their forums now, for free that is. What motivation do they have to fix anything? They're sitting on their hands looking for new jobs and doing the bare minnimum required, since you can't sack someone for working for free managment don't give a monkey's toss either. A most foul witches brew in my opinion, there is definately something rotten in the state of Arizona!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.
I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others. We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.
If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.
There are forum rules in place for a good reason on alot of game sites, if you don't like the moderation then why continue going there. Its really pathetic the way alot of people think they can run amok and say and do whatever they want on any forums these days.
I don't think anyone has the right to post up dirt on the foums or question, let alone attack others. We all know sgw is going bad but we have no right to post what alot currently do. If posts gets closed or deleted then its for a good reason.
If you were to pop on funcom aoc forums and do what some of you do on sgw forums you would get yourself banned.
I agree, but the facts are that the SGW moderators are very selective in applying the RoC on the official forums. If their friends are abusing or making personal attacks they turn a blind eye to it and allow it to continue up until a point it becomes far to exruciatingly painfull for even them to tolerate, then they lock the thread. No bans, no suspensions at most they delete the embarassing posts.
For the most part they will leap upon anyone questioning CME and their managment of the game, deleting the post as spam or locking the thread ASAP and moving it to the nether regions of the forums never to be seen again. It's like having a football match between Chelsea and Liverpool, then recruiting all the linesmen and referee from the crowd of Chelsea supporters. Chelsea score an own goal but each time the referee calls a hand ball against Liverpool and disallows the goal. Liverpool score and he gets called offside, the player argues and it's a yellow card. He refuses to accept the blatantly bias Refs decision, red card. That is the SGW forums, and it's CMEs fault since they've had a self imposed "media blackout" for seven months now and there is nothing left to do but speculate on the state of the company. What else is there left to talk about? Even Michael Shanks said the game is failing and they leapt on him and according to the fan faithfull Michael Shanks is an arrogant drunk that hates talking to fans and hates conventions and even hates Stargate because it has type cast him, oh and he's a crap actor anyway. Brad Wright has done nothing to help the Stargate franchise and hates the fans because SGA has been cancelled, and he knows nothing. None of that gets moderated or stopped because they both said SGW is dead, personal attacks galore and encouraged by the MODs who decided not to enforce the RoC.
But one woman who has a husband working there is angry because her child has no health insurance, husband hasn't been paid in three months and the house is going into foreclosure. Well it's OK to slag her off too, but when it starts getting to embarrassing time to enforce the RoC and lock it with no bans for those abusers. But question Gary Whiting and his link to *****s oh sorry MMOGULs (the word is censored on the official forums) and immediate wipe and probably ban. If I asked on the official AoC forums about Funcom and its links to MMOGULs they'd laugh, wouldn't even lock the thread. MMOGULs isn't a censored word on their forums, but if I made personal attacks and abuse towards developers partners or actors in the movies I'd get an eventual suspension leading to a ban. That's the difference, AoC maybe wank but atleast they don't employ fanbois as moderators and let them run rampant abusing other members that don't agree with their point of view!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
have you ever considered the moderators are given guidlelines they have to follow.
Really I think your giving the moderators a hassle not because of what they do, but what they have done in the past, Personally I think they are told what to do, what the moderators are told to keep as guidelines, and follow them, since they are working for cme/firesky they cannot decide of the top of their own head what is and isnt allowed. Really, thinking the mods decide the rules is completely and utterly wrong, the moderators will moderate within they guidelines they have been given.
Unless you think that they run the whole show??? then your showing your nievity there. They will just be following orders, making a personal attack on a moderator is pretty low thing to do, as you know they cannot in all truth answer back, you may have opinions but really I think your throwing your frustration at the wrong people.
I didn't say that they make the rules once in my post, I did say that they are very selective in enforcing those rules. For your information mods have been answering back and some have become quite vocal and abusive alongside DEVs now mocking those posting on the forums "You guys are awesome... I have so many things I want to say right now but I am laughing in hysteria at the moment
I wish i could live in your world" (Khestral).
"I've just decided to put negative nancies on my ignore list. Sad that it should come to having to "ignore" someone in the forums, because if it really came to that then those sad sacks should have been banned a long time ago. But regardless, at the least I don't even have to look at their useless and immature drivel anymore. They can bait me and hate me and pick a fight all they want now, because they are talking to a brick wall.
I just feel sad for the newer members of forums, because the sad sacks aren't on their ignore lists, so the newer people have to put up with the negative smack and not know any better that the words of those people are lower than not worth hearing." (Sarizaddi, Roleplay guide). Not a very good post for a moderator, and he does have mod powers.
Do you still say it's just my opinion and I'm throwing frustration at the wrong people? My frustration is directed at CME for allowing these muppets to turn the SGW official forums into a wasteland populated by 10-20 people most being delusional fanbois encouraged by the muppets to abuse anyone who asks the wrong questions. Either that or I need to check my reading comprehension.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Looks like the page is back up again, under a new domain:
Given the current timer, it looks like they haven't been paid since March 26/27, now 82 days ago - so this is a second wave of no pay.
Question remains, how long can they last.
http://cme-skipped-payroll.com/
Not long
They are not doing well in the case reguarding their studio lease space
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CivilCourtCases/caseSearchResults.asp?lastName=&FirstName=&bName=Cheyenne+Mountain+Enter
Its case Number=CV2008-021947 but direct links to case #'s don't seem to work, so click case # from that listing page.
""Motion for Ruling Against Defendant For Failure To Comply With May 6, 2009, Minute Entry "
I can't make much of that case. I guess I don't speak legalese lol.
What I do know is that talking about it hurts the feelings of all the CME employees according to tkksnow. If we would all ignore the truth and the bad things and stop hurting their feelings, the game would come out and blah blah. /sarcasm
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
I go on vacation and all hell breaks loose around here. Here's some updated court stuff. I do want to point out that some of the court cases are "pro per" meaning that they dont have a real attorney representing them. Guess you have to pay the lawyers to get representation. ha ha ha
If only I had the energy to search the Utah courts too!
CME - Company
CV2008-021947 - Chandler Freeway Crossing (Office building they never finished building)
Impact - Millions
CV2008-054942 - Kinetik (Web or marketing services) Impact - $20,000
CV2008-093738 - V-2 Properties (current office space??) Impact - homeless developers
CV2009-003172 - 10 Capital Princess (servers) - Impact - beta cancelled
CV2009-002287 - Eutechnyx Limited (Racing game -- Rod's buddies?) Impact - a few million?
CC2008-008158 - JBA Enterprises
Gary Whiting - Entrepreneur (would love to type other stuff here)
CV2007-011672 - have no clue, he was the plaintiff ! Guessing someone scamed
him for a change.
CV2008-025830 - Kade Clinger/Blair Gardner (foreign judgements & protective orders!)
CV2008-093738 - V-2 Properties again
CV2009-091236 - Kade Clinger/Gregg Chugg vs. Gary & Eden Investments Properties
(jugements & fraud upon the court!)
CC2008-151010, CC2008-23310, CC2008-258050 - Sun Valley Ranch Apartments -
guessing this was the CME apartment
CT2009-056513, CT2009-066311 - Tickets! Mr. Whiting likes to go fast.
Totally missed this, got caught up in the legal shit. Nice find!
I think we can now burry the point that Stargate Worlds racing team has nothing to do with MMOGUL:
Link: http://games-mmoguls-asia.blogspot.com
Quote:
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Mmoguls Preview KL-Latest
Pls be informed that we will be having the following:
Mmoguls Preview with Mr Imran Safiulla CEO of StarGate Worlds Racing Team
Venue: 8th Floor, Boulevard Hotel , MidValley KL
Date: 22nd June (Monday)
Time: 7.30pm Coffee/Tea
Contact Person: Danial 012-3812632
All Are Welcome.
So I guess to some extent they were telling the truth that CME weren't paying money, but since CME and this racing sponsorship are all being bankrolled by the same pyramid scheme and Gary Whiting owns them all it's a very narrow minded technicality.
However those 10 posters left on the SGW official forums that actually believe TKKSnow would probably believe they were Asgard is if someone with a DEV account told them so!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
For anyone interested I decided to do a whois on that domain
Whois Record
Registrar: FastDomain Inc.
Provider Name....: BlueHost.Com
Provider Whois...: whois.bluehost.com
Provider Homepage: http://www.bluehost.com/
Domain Name: CME-SKIPPED-PAYROLL.COM
Created on..............: 2009-06-04 00:33:20 GMT
Expires on..............: 2010-06-04 00:33:22 GMT
Last modified on........: 2009-06-05 04:39:17 GMT
Registrant Info: (FAST-12785240)
Attn: cme-skipped-payroll.com
BlueHost.com- INC
1958 South 950 East
** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Hosting plans starting at ONLY $6.95 per month -
Provo, Utah 84606
United States
Phone: +1.8017659400
Fax..: +1.8017651992
Email:
Last modified: 2009-04-10 18:18:13 GMT
Administrative Info: (FAST-12785240)
Attn: cme-skipped-payroll.com
BlueHost.com- INC
1958 South 950 East
** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Hosting plans starting at ONLY $6.95 per month -
Provo, Utah 84606
United States
Phone: +1.8017659400
Fax..: +1.8017651992
Email:
Last modified: 2009-04-10 18:18:13 GMT
Technical Info: (FAST-12785240)
Attn: cme-skipped-payroll.com
BlueHost.com- INC
1958 South 950 East
** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Hosting plans starting at ONLY $6.95 per month -
Provo, Utah 84606
United States
Phone: +1.8017659400
Fax..: +1.8017651992
Email:
Last modified: 2009-04-10 18:18:13 GMT
The latest thread-closing post from tkksnow:
In answer to the original poster's questions, as well as the topic of the thread itself, we are not setup to accept any donations for thee development of the game. As some people have quoted, with various nonofficial numbers, development costs are very high. While every little bit does help in the long-run, what CME is looking for now is long-term and solid investments so we can plan for the medium-to-long term of development schedules.
Really what we need now is the support of the community who are interested in the game. No game is perfect, and no development is perfect either, we do the best we can under the times. So, I'd like to remind you all that this is a community forum. Please take your speculation to the speculation forum, and we'll deal with it with answers. This is not a Jerry Springer forum, once you throw a chair for no good reason or rip off your shirt, you'll be removed from the studio.
So, to be clear, no amount of donations from the fans will be enough to help at this point. And don't speculate about anything or you will be banned.
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
Latest update from the unverified site:
9/5/09 Update: We continue to receive paychecks every other week! It's amazing the people that have returned to CME, especially ones from other studios that haven't done shit for the past two years. Guess with the new direction, we have to take them.
Payroll could be completely caught up here soon. Glad I did not give up.
Work on our first person shooter continues along and things are looking good!
Meanwhile, the SGW community manager continues to insist that talking about this stuff--that searching for the truth--damages "the moral" [sic] of the staff:
To say that these posts from our community, and other game site's communities, are damaging the moral of developers is only half the story.
Funny that their "moral" is being damaged by us bringing light to the MLM scheme attached to their game from day 1 and not by the scheme itself.
Finally, just for fun, the word of the day is morale.
Geeked for FFXIV
Freelance FFXIV guide author for Ten Ton Hammer.com
That post by tkksnow really annoyed me. He basically called me immoral for posting info about their company that he wouldn't post himself.
Has anyone else heard about this - I have heard that Cheyenne has a new captain at the helm. Starting last Thursday, a guy named John Bellrose, came into the office and started poking around. He stated that Gary Whiting owed him money, so he was now taking over running the company until Whiting pays him. I wonder if this is the same John Bellrose that runs The Appraisal House - see link?
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Mesa-Mortgage/Mortgage-Companies/Mesa-Mortgage-Very-misleading-7D59F.htm
According to John's comments to some of the employees, Whiting is out and he is the new boss and he has made it clear that his focus is on getting a game out - he is not going to use investor money to pay old payroll or former vendors that are owed money from the past. He wants to make sure that Whiting doesn't get paid another dime or any of the rest of the management team. He thinks the employees and others should suck it up and wait to get paid when the game launches. Rumor has it that he has already fired Jenson and Hensley.
Interesting story... No one challenged him on the take over? Is it legal? If not he is trespassing, and the police should be called to remove him. This situation has spun WILDLY out of control. Why hasn't the IP been pulled by the owner(MGM?). This just gets stranger and stranger.
Is John Bellrose the receiver connected with the Utah judgement?
The receiver named by the Utah court is Vick Deauvono. However, documents on the court site indicate that the AZ court has decided to not honor the Utah rulings. And there is no other case pending that could have that drastic an outcome, that I know of, unless there has been some action in a Federal court. (Bob?)
So, I have no clue as to the veracity of the story. I'd be skeptical until we find some other verification.
Edit: I see that Shane has logged onto the SGW official forums today, not that this is proof one way or the other, but continued access makes me somewhat doubt the story. And he hasn't posted any goodbyes, yet.