Nope. I understand John Bellrose is working on behalf of some of the investors and has been by on a couple of occasions that I know of, but that's the extent of his involvement. And for the record, there are quite a few people in this position who work for different investors or investor groups who come in and check up on our progress.
Like much of what you hear, there's a grain of truth surrounded by a lot of negative conjecture.
I have been following the forum for some time now. I have been waiting for fresh breath of life to fill the body of CME as the old systems and ideas are definately not producing results that the fans want to see. I have read up on the John Bellerose character and I have come to find out that he is NOT in charge of CME and he has not fired Jenson--or anyone down there for that matter.
I read the link to the "rip-off report" that was posted about Bellerose. Alarms were going of in my head thinking just another flim-flam man on the scene. The report was written by a man who hired Bellerose to appraise his home (Bellerose owns an AZ Corp known as The Appraisal House, inc.) and he was very upset at the value Bellerose assigned to his home. He alleges Bellerose ripped him off.
At the bottom of the report, was a link to Bellerose's response to the allegations. I read the response by Bellerose. It was brash, ballsy, but it cut to the quick...it sounds like Bellerose has a head on his shoulders as he responds to the guy that said Bellerose cheated him. This Bellerose guy doesn't take any shit from what I read--
The funny thing is, the man that filed the "rip off report" about Bellerose wrote a follow up report to APOLOGIZE TO BELLEROSE and to say that BELLEROSE WAS RIGHT and honest in his assessment. Apparently the homeowner got a second appraisal that was dead on with Bellerose's unpopular first report.
So Whatever it is that Bellerose has in mind with CME/CMG/Whiting, et al. I dare say, from what I read of the man, he seems like he may have a head on his shoulders, so let's give him a chance. Fresh set of eyes is never a bad thing, especially from a person trained to evaluate options, who is also a buisnessman. And if Bellerose is calling for management to loose salaries for a time being; it sounds like not such a bad idea, after all. They should be paid to produce.
Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is? When a guy starts getting that kind of attention form some unofficial fan club, it usually means that fan club is himself and he is using sock puppet accounts to sway public opinion. I'm not buying it.
I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche, but the more whining I hear from his fan club the more I'm going to want him to STFU and GTFO this forum.
Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is? When a guy starts getting that kind of attention form some unofficial fan club, it usually means that fan club is himself and he is using sock puppet accounts to sway public opinion. I'm not buying it. I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche, but the more whining I hear from his fan club the more I'm going to want him to STFU and GTFO this forum.
Clearly, you didn't get (and drink) your free shipment of Bellerose-Brand Kool-Aid.
But, in all seriousness... your point does bring up a good point... especially here on the unofficial "SGW Deathwatch" forums... Unless JB has tossed Whiting into a river somewhere, I can't see him (or any one connected to Whiting/SGW) getting such a defense in this corner of the interwebs.
Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is?
I thought it was kind of convenient timing myself.
Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is?
I thought it was kind of convenient timing myself.
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Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is? When a guy starts getting that kind of attention form some unofficial fan club, it usually means that fan club is himself and he is using sock puppet accounts to sway public opinion. I'm not buying it. I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche, but the more whining I hear from his fan club the more I'm going to want him to STFU and GTFO this forum.
I found this reply odd, as new people are brought into the CME issue, they will have there associates and people with them, to assume JB has come in single handedly is a little short sighted, he will have his people with him aswell, and once he steps into a position, these people will start looking around at forums and get a feel for whats going on, some may even post into the forums letting the community know whats going on, and who this person is.
There is always three sides to a story, what the naysayers think, what the sayers think, and finally whats actually happening.....
To assume someone is a negative influence (I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche), really is an abismal statement to make of someone thats come in to sort out and fix issues that are going on at CME, you have immediately labelled this person in the negative without knowing him at all, or even seen what he is capable of.
No one knows much about this guy, so most likely someone that knows him has seen the posts, and has tried to put him in a better light. Because someone has come in with praise for this guy, you have labeled him a fan in the negative sense. Strange isnt it, but if someone knew this guy and had bad dealings with him, they could also come in here and say so, but that aint happened, so maybe it will, or it could be a case of there is nothing bad to say about this guy.
Some of the new posters maybe know this person and are posting there thoughts about him from there personal experience of they guy, and they may even be in a better place to make these comments.
Just because you disagree with what they have posted, doesnt mean the post is inaccurate or wrong, telling people to GTFO or STFU because you dont know them shows, and you have an opinion on them you dont like...... WOW
A lot of us have been around a while, there are those on one side of the fence, and there are those on the other. We are all waiting to see what happens, and any information we get is great, but niformation is what we want, if someone has some insights into this guy, we would like to know them, good or bad it doesnt matter, its information.
BTW, I have no connection with this guy, I dont even know what he does, he could be a hardass and be a real worker and get stuff sorted out, or he could be YES guy and be no improvement to the company, I dont know, but I will leave my opinions to myself until I have more information and we get to see results. Just because someone has taken a role in a company does brand them as anything, first you wait and see whats going on.
I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche, but the more whining I hear from his fan club the more I'm going to want him to STFU and GTFO this forum.
I found this reply odd, as new people are brought into the CME issue, they will have there associates and people with them, to assume JB has come in single handedly is a little short sighted, he will have his people with him aswell, and once he steps into a position, these people will start looking around at forums and get a feel for whats going on, some may even post into the forums letting the community know whats going on, and who this person is.
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I'm impressed it took you eight paragraphs to say the same thing eight times in a row.
Let me explain to you where I'm at in this thing so that you might have cause to rethink your own role in this situation: This game has been in a state of chaos for over a year now. It has suffered from one drama after another while a constant stream of new faces has come and gone, each playing their own little part in the ongoing tragedy of this game. We have had endless debates on this forum about which part each new face has played and even more endless debates about their motives. Simply put, its getting old. I am ready to see the final chapter of this story so that I can collect my things and go home.
But instead we have yet another new face on the scene: John Bellerose. No doubt there will be the same endless debates about him as there were about all the previous actors in this farce. But I honestly do not what to hear it. Maybe he is here to save the day or maybe he will just come and go like so many others while this game slides ever deeper into debt. I can only suggest that we all shut up and wait to see what happens as the endless debates and speculation get us no where.
Now that you understand that, let me move on to my REAL reply:
You obviously did not understand a single thing I said. I did not comment on John Bellerose at all! I commented on the sudden appearance of his "fan club" of sorts. Several recently registered accounts which appear to have been created on this forum for the sole purpose of singing the praises of a guy none of us really knows much about. I find that suspicious to say the least.
Lets say that one day this forum suddenly got swamped by a bunch new users who all were making posts with the sole purpose of agreeing with everything I say and telling anyone who doesn't like me how wrong they are. Wouldn't you find that suspicious as well? And wouldn't you become more and more suspicious the longer it went on?
That is all I meant to say with my last post. I find the appearance of this "fan club" to be suspicious and I wanted to express my feeling that the longer they continue to praise John Bellerose the less likely I will become to have any positive opinion about the guy.
By reading further into it than that you simply wasted your time. And mine. Please don't do that again.
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^Nor will he. Shane on the matter;
Nope. I understand John Bellrose is working on behalf of some of the investors and has been by on a couple of occasions that I know of, but that's the extent of his involvement. And for the record, there are quite a few people in this position who work for different investors or investor groups who come in and check up on our progress.
Like much of what you hear, there's a grain of truth surrounded by a lot of negative conjecture.
I have been following the forum for some time now. I have been waiting for fresh breath of life to fill the body of CME as the old systems and ideas are definately not producing results that the fans want to see. I have read up on the John Bellerose character and I have come to find out that he is NOT in charge of CME and he has not fired Jenson--or anyone down there for that matter.
I read the link to the "rip-off report" that was posted about Bellerose. Alarms were going of in my head thinking just another flim-flam man on the scene. The report was written by a man who hired Bellerose to appraise his home (Bellerose owns an AZ Corp known as The Appraisal House, inc.) and he was very upset at the value Bellerose assigned to his home. He alleges Bellerose ripped him off.
At the bottom of the report, was a link to Bellerose's response to the allegations. I read the response by Bellerose. It was brash, ballsy, but it cut to the quick...it sounds like Bellerose has a head on his shoulders as he responds to the guy that said Bellerose cheated him. This Bellerose guy doesn't take any shit from what I read--
The funny thing is, the man that filed the "rip off report" about Bellerose wrote a follow up report to APOLOGIZE TO BELLEROSE and to say that BELLEROSE WAS RIGHT and honest in his assessment. Apparently the homeowner got a second appraisal that was dead on with Bellerose's unpopular first report.
So Whatever it is that Bellerose has in mind with CME/CMG/Whiting, et al. I dare say, from what I read of the man, he seems like he may have a head on his shoulders, so let's give him a chance. Fresh set of eyes is never a bad thing, especially from a person trained to evaluate options, who is also a buisnessman. And if Bellerose is calling for management to loose salaries for a time being; it sounds like not such a bad idea, after all. They should be paid to produce.
For those wondering why MGM isn't on top of this situation more closely:
www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-details-mgm-makes-phone-plea-to-bondholders-for-millions-to-stay-alive-both-hobbit-and-james-bond-in-peril-bondholders-tell-studio-to-go-bankrupt-mgm-calls-that-worst-possible-outcom/
If they go bankrupt, who knows what will happen.
Whoa!! I wasn't aware of that! That does make sense. Thanks for posting the link.
Why is it that there are suddenly several new accounts with few or no previous posts showing up in this forum to tell us how wonderful John Bellerose is? When a guy starts getting that kind of attention form some unofficial fan club, it usually means that fan club is himself and he is using sock puppet accounts to sway public opinion. I'm not buying it.
I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche, but the more whining I hear from his fan club the more I'm going to want him to STFU and GTFO this forum.
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Clearly, you didn't get (and drink) your free shipment of Bellerose-Brand Kool-Aid.
But, in all seriousness... your point does bring up a good point... especially here on the unofficial "SGW Deathwatch" forums... Unless JB has tossed Whiting into a river somewhere, I can't see him (or any one connected to Whiting/SGW) getting such a defense in this corner of the interwebs.
I thought it was kind of convenient timing myself.
I thought it was kind of convenient timing myself.
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I found this reply odd, as new people are brought into the CME issue, they will have there associates and people with them, to assume JB has come in single handedly is a little short sighted, he will have his people with him aswell, and once he steps into a position, these people will start looking around at forums and get a feel for whats going on, some may even post into the forums letting the community know whats going on, and who this person is.
There is always three sides to a story, what the naysayers think, what the sayers think, and finally whats actually happening.....
To assume someone is a negative influence (I don't know this guy well enough to say hes a douche), really is an abismal statement to make of someone thats come in to sort out and fix issues that are going on at CME, you have immediately labelled this person in the negative without knowing him at all, or even seen what he is capable of.
No one knows much about this guy, so most likely someone that knows him has seen the posts, and has tried to put him in a better light. Because someone has come in with praise for this guy, you have labeled him a fan in the negative sense. Strange isnt it, but if someone knew this guy and had bad dealings with him, they could also come in here and say so, but that aint happened, so maybe it will, or it could be a case of there is nothing bad to say about this guy.
Some of the new posters maybe know this person and are posting there thoughts about him from there personal experience of they guy, and they may even be in a better place to make these comments.
Just because you disagree with what they have posted, doesnt mean the post is inaccurate or wrong, telling people to GTFO or STFU because you dont know them shows, and you have an opinion on them you dont like...... WOW
A lot of us have been around a while, there are those on one side of the fence, and there are those on the other. We are all waiting to see what happens, and any information we get is great, but niformation is what we want, if someone has some insights into this guy, we would like to know them, good or bad it doesnt matter, its information.
BTW, I have no connection with this guy, I dont even know what he does, he could be a hardass and be a real worker and get stuff sorted out, or he could be YES guy and be no improvement to the company, I dont know, but I will leave my opinions to myself until I have more information and we get to see results. Just because someone has taken a role in a company does brand them as anything, first you wait and see whats going on.
I found this reply odd, as new people are brought into the CME issue, they will have there associates and people with them, to assume JB has come in single handedly is a little short sighted, he will have his people with him aswell, and once he steps into a position, these people will start looking around at forums and get a feel for whats going on, some may even post into the forums letting the community know whats going on, and who this person is.
[Followed by seven more paragraphs of the same comments...]
I'm impressed it took you eight paragraphs to say the same thing eight times in a row.
Let me explain to you where I'm at in this thing so that you might have cause to rethink your own role in this situation: This game has been in a state of chaos for over a year now. It has suffered from one drama after another while a constant stream of new faces has come and gone, each playing their own little part in the ongoing tragedy of this game. We have had endless debates on this forum about which part each new face has played and even more endless debates about their motives. Simply put, its getting old. I am ready to see the final chapter of this story so that I can collect my things and go home.
But instead we have yet another new face on the scene: John Bellerose. No doubt there will be the same endless debates about him as there were about all the previous actors in this farce. But I honestly do not what to hear it. Maybe he is here to save the day or maybe he will just come and go like so many others while this game slides ever deeper into debt. I can only suggest that we all shut up and wait to see what happens as the endless debates and speculation get us no where.
Now that you understand that, let me move on to my REAL reply:
You obviously did not understand a single thing I said. I did not comment on John Bellerose at all! I commented on the sudden appearance of his "fan club" of sorts. Several recently registered accounts which appear to have been created on this forum for the sole purpose of singing the praises of a guy none of us really knows much about. I find that suspicious to say the least.
Lets say that one day this forum suddenly got swamped by a bunch new users who all were making posts with the sole purpose of agreeing with everything I say and telling anyone who doesn't like me how wrong they are. Wouldn't you find that suspicious as well? And wouldn't you become more and more suspicious the longer it went on?
That is all I meant to say with my last post. I find the appearance of this "fan club" to be suspicious and I wanted to express my feeling that the longer they continue to praise John Bellerose the less likely I will become to have any positive opinion about the guy.
By reading further into it than that you simply wasted your time. And mine. Please don't do that again.
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