Which Graphics do you prefer?

Mad-E-Fact

You got it right, except for one detail: the quality of the tools is not the art, but how effectively you use these tools. that is what makes a good artist.

Jokester

I agree that the quality of the tools is not the art. I am again refering to your orignal statement that "graphically speaking the wow models are 1000 times better". my point is only that if you are judging "graphical quality" that quality is based on the tools not how they were used and wow uses a lower quality tool.

Again 'art" is the opinion of the way the tools were used regardless what the tools are.

Quality is the superiority of the tool used to produce it.

so 'graphically speaking EQ is better than WOW"

and as you stated - from an "Art' perspective - its up to the viewer.

 

jimhus

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Originally posted by Jokester

Art has no objective qualities other than the quaklity (and in this case, technolgy ) of the tools and materials used to create it.

True - you can objectively examine the items used:

• Sophistication of the renderer
• Number of polys
• Animation capabilities 

But as you say, the final outcome of all these can only be evaluated subjectively.

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Originally posted by Mad-E-Fact

the quality of the tools is not the art

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No, nor did he say that.

He said the quality of the tools/materials was the only objective aspect in this. Everything else is subjective.

You brought this up by claiming that WoW was objectively superior in graphics. The only objective portions in this comparison are in EQ2's favor.

Which looks best, is more in-theme, or more immersive is entirely subjective. And this final, subjective product is all that matters.

Wicked_Edge

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Originally posted by Realmreaver
Originally posted by remyburke

I honestly dont see how u guys are bashing EQ2's graphics, name another MMO with better graphics. Try as u may u wont be able to. It's fine if u dont like the graphics but to say they suck...i just dont see it.
Star Wars Galaxies has characters that looks more realistic. /shrug

Former Stress Tester of WoW

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out of ALL the mmoRPg's ive played, ffxi had the BEST gfx.  Now if u haven't played it pls stfu cuz i dont wanna hear ffxi gfx suck when u havent played it.

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UO - 4 years
AC - 2 years
AC2 - 6 months
DAoC - 1 month
FFXI - 7 months
Diablo2 - 9 months
Shadowbane - Beta Tested
Lineage2 - Beta Tested
Saga of Ryzom - Beta Tested
Risk Your Life - Beta Tested
World of Warcraft - Beta Testing
mmoRPG'er since October 1997

iceseraph

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Originally posted by jimhus


True - you can objectively examine the items used:

Sophistication of the renderer
Number of polys
Animation capabilities 
But as you say, the final outcome of all these can only be evaluated subjectively.
He said the quality of the tools/materials was the only objective aspect in this. Everything else is subjective.
You brought this up by claiming that WoW was objectively superior in graphics. The only objective portions in this comparison are in EQ2's favor.
Which looks best, is more in-theme, or more immersive is entirely subjective. And this final, subjective product is all that matters.

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Exactly - Consider the following pictures of the same apple. 

First - a low poly 2d apple,  

Second - a 3d low poly apple model,

3rd - a 3d high poly rendered version (*background is black as rendering option).

 

While they are all the same object (in fact - the exact same object using 3 different methodologies), the last model is graphically best in the fact that it uses superior technology.

P.S. On a final note the topic of the post is your preference - all technicalities aside !