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Darkfall: The Conversion of a Self Styled Carebear
Stradden
Managing EditorMember CommonPosts: 6,696
MMORPG.com Darkfall Correspondent Kelly Price writes this article talking about how a player can go from preferring PvE aspects of MMOs to liking one of the most hardcore MMOs currently available.
Starting out in Darkfall Online is a bit like staring at a blank page. The palpable potential and nearly infinite possibilities are quite overwhelming. Because of this, it will take some time for the general MMO community to warm up to it, but once the initial culture shock wears off this game's greatest weakness will ultimately end up being its greatest strength. To alleviate some of these fears I'd like to now share some of my personal experiences and opinions from a newbie's perspective. Here is a bit about my background: I didn't play nearly as many first-person shooters or skill-based games as some say I should've done to prepare myself for Darkfall, and so I came into the world of Agon (like many of you) as a proverbial blank slate. I have been an enthusiastic MMORPG player since the good old days of Everquest, going on to play Final Fantasy XI, Everquest 2, Vanguard (PvE), and Age of Conan (PvE) among other things. As you can see, I have been known as somewhat of a 'carebear' in my time, but you will soon see why I have changed my ways.
;)
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Comments
Good write up, one of the more open ones I've read so far. Here's to waiting for a trial.
You know, again, this seems to be the only site that writes things like this, while i understand this was an opinion piece, it skips well, everything. Painting a pretty picture of the game. Meanwhile other sites are doing reviews of the game, and giving it abysmal marks. Its fine that he enjoys it, some will, that i don't care about.
When is MMOrpg.com going to do a review, or will we continue to get "Opinion" and "10 part overviews
(But not a review!!)" that take no responsibility of commenting on the game, AS A GAME or work in this genre.
It's like you guys are beating around the bush.....or trolling your reader base. lol.
This is still really the only site that cares about this game (To the point of a 10 part overview, and another fan opinions every other week), but recently other sites have been putting out reviews... they are directly opposite to anything this site produces.
Mainly because MMORPG.com doesn't comment on the game, as a game or work in this field, it continues to produce "opinion" entry's that hide behind the fact they "Are not reviews", and does not look at the real things people wan to know, like a review that took some responsibility, instead of fan Service. Fans, that only really exist here.
All of the above has been defended as "Opinion pieces", when will we get a professional review from someone not plucked from the fanboi ranks?
No offense to the write of this piece, it was well written, and everyone is glad you are having fun.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
The Eurogamer Darkfall review is a good example at someone not looking at the "culture chock". They just wrote as if it was a WoW clone and how it was a bad WoW clone. So if you want to think of DF as a PvE MMO, the Eurogamer review is much better. This article is made by someone that does not compare DF to a ordinary PvE MMO. And can see what it really is.
Good lord, not even. You have to have some serious blinders if you think this is the case. They wrote a review of the game, it as an entry into this space, and There was very little opinion in that article, most comments where about the sad state of its construction and design in this day and age.
You REALLY need to get off this "Us" VS "Them" mentality. Thinking somehow PvE anf PvP are some sort of segment of gamers, gamers are gamers, there are good games, and there are bad games.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
No it wasn't looked at as a failed WoW clone. It was reviewed as a game that came no where near what it promised. The review was spot on with everything that is good and bad about darkfall. Sadly, there's alot more bad. What I find funny is that most people that defend Darkfall call us haters "carebears" and that the reason we trash the game is because of the full loot pvp. However, that couldn't be farther from the truth. We would love a game that had those kind of risks but we also want the game to play and look good. Not this dated mess that took far to long to make. What this game represents is a failed attempt to make a pvp sandbox. Hopefully Mortal Online has been keeping watch so they don't make the mistakes that occured with Darkfall.
Well, as is the case with most games, we're giving our reviewer time to actually play and experience the game properly so that they can create the review that you're so hot and heavy for but proper reviews take time.
You don't like opinion pieces when those opinions don't jiive with your own, I get that. You make it abundantly clear in every single related thread. My suggestion to you would be to not read correspondent articles, which are opinion pieces by their nature. Here's the thing: Whie this kind of article doesn't make your personal socks roll up and down, they are quite popular and are heavily read. It's not as though we're not working on getting a review out to you, but that doesn't preclude covering the games from the players' perspective via our Correspondent program. Seriously, just don't read any articles that introduce themselves as Correspondent articles and you should be fine.
I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway.
Thanks.
The first line was all you had to say. As for the rest, this isn't the case, i would just enjoy some journalism around here, instead of you essentially pasting "Uber fan" essays on your front page every week. Is that two much to ask for a site that claims to be THE news source for mmo's?
Is it really?
I also never said i didn't enjoy reading the pieces, they have a place.
People seem to think i hate Darkfall, this isn't the case, what the reality is, i would appreciate some honesty around here, and for the site to stop hiding behind "Opinion pieces". Doesn't matter what game it is. But hay, its your site. I think we have had, and are getting plunty of opinions around here from your staff, and your Volunteers.
You keep writing your "Opinions" so i post mine...but then you defend them (You, personally) as "opinion pieces" and not reviews.
Stop posting opinion pieces (under the heading of NEWS), and ill stop posting my opinion. Deal?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Ok, first of all, we have both opinion and news articles at the site. This is how it has always been, and this is how it will always be. if you don't like that, I'm sorry, but there's nothing that I can do for you.
I'll bottom line this for you: Stop hijacking legitimate threads to further your own agenda in how you feel this site should be run. Your opinions have been noted and there is no need to continually repeat yourself.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Hijacking? I thought i was commenting on the article. This "opinion piece" is also listed...under News.
Again, i have no issue with the writer, or this article, i have never had any issue with people finding and playing games they enjoy, i encourage it.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I'm with Mrbloodworth on this one. These unnecessary 'opinioned overviews' all carry a faint wiff of fanboism about them. I find this strange as other websites well..half decent websites have slagged this game down and with good reason too. I also think that the game should of been reviewed first on MMORPG.com and then these 'correspondents' could of posted their 'opinions' Very unprofessional.
So noone is allowed to enjoy Darkfall? Listen to yourself!
Seriously! This is a MMO site. For people enjoying MMOs.
Who said that? where? Didn't think so.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Who said that? where? Didn't think so.
NO. He is trying to say, no one can speak freely, unless its in praise of the preciousssss.
Who said that? where? Didn't think so.
Hahaha Bloodworth trolling on another Darkfall thread.....who would of guessed. Even the manager of this here website cannot under any asumption deny that calling you out on a trolling offense is warranted.
Good Job Bloodworth
Who said that? where? Didn't think so.
NO. He is trying to say, no one can speak freely, unless its in praise of the preciousssss.
Someone said that? where?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Who said that? where? Didn't think so.
Hahaha Bloodworth trolling on another Darkfall thread.....who would of guessed. Even the manager of this here website cannot under any asumption deny that calling you out on a trolling offense is warranted.
Good Job Bloodworth
I'm trolling? You have a loose definition there kettle.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I think Mrbloodworth just wants to point out that Opinions are not News. News should go in the News Section and Opinions should stick to the Opinions Section.... which does make lots of sense.
He also clearly doesn't hate the game. He believes that everybody has their preferate game and it is OK and respects it.
"He who would learn to fly one day must first learn to stand and walk and run and climb and dance ; one cannot fly into flying"
I am with Mrbloodworth on this one too. We need even handed accounts of the game play and features. Something that constitutes a review of the game. Something that evaluates how this game measures up as an mmorpg.
I say this as someone who is now playing the game (for about a month) and while I enjoy many things about it. It is not ready for release and never was and there are too many promised features that were left out. It is barely an MMORPG in my opinion.
I am with Mrbloodworth on this one too. We need even handed accounts of the game play and features. Something that constitutes a review of the game. Something that evaluates how this game measures up as an mmorpg.
I say this as someone who is now playing the game (for about a month) and while I enjoy many things about it. It is not ready for release and never was and there are too many promised features that were left out. It is barely an MMORPG in my opinion.
This what was i ment. If someone enjoys DF, they should not be allowed to write about it. As it seems. What would be the point of forcing someone that dont like PvP games to write a article about Darkfall? Maybe some hater would do it? Bur again, what would be the point. Better to hear from people that like to play the game. Same with all other articles from any other MMO.
Think if i did a WoW article??
We are stil waiting for a real Darkfall review. Mayber it will say the game sucks and everyone is happy again.
Anyway, If you dont like this NEW article, you dont need to read it. I dont read anything about games i dispise.
I'd like to know how it makes sense. I see a news tab at the top of this page, but i don't see an opinions tab. I also don't see an opinions subforum under Darkfall. Has anyone around here ever read a NEWSpaper? If you did, did you notice that there were both reviews and Op Ed pieces in them? Why don't you write to your local newspaper and tell them that they should get rid of editorials because they're not news? It's a specious argument at best, and it does constitute hijacking of this thread, because the thread was regarding observations of the game, and people are attempting to turn it into a political tirade against the website simply because they don't agree with the views of the person who wrote the article and are trying to ridicule him with arguments that, although they may have some deceptive appeal, are lacking in substance.
Actually, I have to agree with Mrbloodworth and everyone that agrees with him. There should be a review before any "opinions" are posted and they should not be posted as "News".
Also reading the references to "one of the most hardcore MMO's" and references to "Carebears".... reminds me of the "elitist" Darkfall community.
Hardcore is what you make of it.... any MMO can be hardcore.. it's all in how you play it.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
Its gotta be a bit odd for someone that has the game and supposibly loves it, to spend so much time here making posts that are often full of incorrect / misleading information rather then playing? Is Dakfall really ofline that much?
Second read your sig. You might want to change it. Its funny in that if it had any truth to it then It makes you, and the other Darkfall fans that post soo much here look like carebears. Call me a carebear if you will but then lets count the forum posts over the last month or 2 and see who according to your sig fits the discription best ?
Me I don't post even a tenth as much as you I guess because I'm off playing MMO's I enjoy, rather then trying to run PR and advertise for a MMO. Not that your not allowed to do that here, you are, and I'm sure you will continue I just like to shine alittle light and add alittle honesty to the ongoing hype and drama that seems to be the norm in this forum
carry on!
Edit: lets see 13 posts today alone, and the days nowhere near over. Sure seems like alot, when does he actually play this game he loves so much? Right I'm guessing I'll be banned for pointing that out or at least warned, so to everyone else my apologies if i hijacked the thread see you maybe in another month
I'd like to know how it makes sense. I see a news tab at the top of this page, but i don't see an opinions tab. I also don't see an opinions subforum under Darkfall. Has anyone around here ever read a NEWSpaper? If you did, did you notice that there were both reviews and Op Ed pieces in them? Why don't you write to your local newspaper and tell them that they should get rid of editorials because they're not news? It's a specious argument at best, and it does constitute hijacking of this thread, because the thread was regarding observations of the game, and people are attempting to turn it into a political tirade against the website simply because they don't agree with the views of the person who wrote the article and are trying to ridicule him with arguments that, although they may have some deceptive appeal, are lacking in substance.
Where did i ridicule or state i disagreed with the writers opinions? I did just the opposite in fact. Editorials are not listed under "News" they are listed, and headed with, OPINION. Where was my comments a "Political tirade"? What form of politics do i belong to, I have no agenda that i am aware of.
I also, did not hijack anything. The thread was about the article.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Actually, I have to agree with Mrbloodworth and everyone that agrees with him. There should be a review before any "opinions" are posted and they should not be posted as "News".
Also reading the references to "one of the most hardcore MMO's" and references to "Carebears".... reminds me of the "elitist" Darkfall community.
Hardcore is what you make of it.... any MMO can be hardcore.. it's all in how you play it.
Would someone please define news instead of just throwing it around having no idea how the term is used? The ignorance on this website never ceases to amaze me. How do the opinions of someone who has played a game for an hour qualify as news more than the opinions of someone who has played it for days or weeks? Most "reviews" are from someone who has played a game for a very short amount of time, so the argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, in addition to the fact that it ignores the traditional definition of news.
Also, why are people upset that MMORPG wants to give its staff more time to play a game before forcing them to write an official "review"? Of course any sensible website that has made that decision is going to want to give people a little bit in the meantime to keep them satisfied until the official review is published. That's just the way they do things. If you don't like their business paradigm, stop trolling and hijacking the forums.
Quote from Stradden :
..." I frankly fail to see how other people enjoying a game that you don't happen to think is very good offends you so much. For now though, you've been told that there is a review coming. There is no need to continually derail comment threads on articles that you aren't interested in anyway."
Stradden don't take it heart, Sadly the forums have devolved and become some magnet for malcontents that spend huge amounts of time complaining about games they don't play. If you admit to playing a hated game and are foolish enough to claim you have fun then the malcontent descend in mass to rebut your fun and desperately try to convince you that the game is terrible and that you are some delusion fanboi for even pretending to like it.
It guess MMOPRPG just needs to get a bigger crew of Moderators to delete posts and reign in the lameness.