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Darkfall officially the worst game ever?

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  • ZoroastrianZoroastrian Member Posts: 6

    Just let me start off by saying that I play DF and enjoy it, but there are some valid points the reviewer brings up that I myself noticed, take into account I have no formal education in journalism or video game design, just an avid gamer , but with all things considered I did notice some of the flaws he spoke of such as the looting, the repetitive nature of grinding skills, and some of the other things he pointed out within the very first 30 minutes of playing the game, again I LIKE DF, but it does have its flaws, is the game perfect, absolutely not, was this review harsh?  A little yes. Can Tasos and AV make up game logs and say he only played a certain amount of time? Probably. Should a developer get into a spout with a gaming website over a bad review? Personally I don't think so, rather take the criticism and see if there are legitimate things they can fix...also it was posted in the DF forums initially correct? So most of the people there are already fans of DF or at least have an interest in DF, they probably enjoy the game already so why get so defensive? Again just my thoughts here, I could be dead wrong.

    Last thing, with all the innovations that DF might try to claim or promote, either from the devs or its fan base, having the lead developer or whatever Tasos position is, involved in a verbal war with an online game site probably isn't one of the "new" or "innovative" merits DF wants to lay claim to.

     

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  • TheHavokTheHavok Member UncommonPosts: 2,423

    I cant believe any of you are defending a reviewer that, 1) is a contributing writer rather then a staff writer for eurogamer, and 2) admitted that he played only 9 hours of the game (Taso claims 2 hours).  Are you people so stuck in your ways that you cannot realize fault when evidence is plainly provided?

    I can understand if you dont like darkfall.  I can understand if you dont like the so called "hardcore pvpers" or Indie companies, or Tasos, or even foreign game companies, but are you people so ignorant to refuse to acknowledge that eurogamer admitted that the reviewer only spent 9 hours playing the game?  9 hours is hardly enough to properly rate ANY mmorpg.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by TheHavok


    I cant believe any of you are defending a reviewer that, 1) is a contributing writer rather then a staff writer for eurogamer, and 2) admitted that he played only 9 hours of the game (Taso claims 2 hours).  Are you people so stuck in your ways that you cannot realize fault when evidence is plainly provided?
    I can understand if you dont like darkfall.  I can understand if you dont like the so called "hardcore pvpers" or Indie companies, or Tasos, or even foreign game companies, but are you people so ignorant to refuse to acknowledge that eurogamer admitted that the reviewer only spent 9 hours playing the game?  9 hours is hardly enough to properly rate ANY mmorpg.



     

    Stop being a hypocrite. please. stop.

    You want to hold these people to objectivity, and yet I did not see you here expressing your same view when they had positive reviews from a friendly fan site, and a girl who has her comics hosted by them.

    What you are telling me if the review doesnt pamper that ass enough, its not objective, but when friends of the game make reviews at are as equally biased, you suddenly arent preaching objectivity anymore?

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    Originally posted by jy88902


    Attempting to publicly discredit reviewers with claims of server log evidence is the most pathetic and bush league thing a mmo developer can do, bar none.
     
    Just as you think Aventurine can't possibly get more ridiculous, they outdo themselves immediately.



     

    No that would be throwing a hissy fit on your forums and getting in very public fights, complete withe expletives, before banning the posters you're arguing with. I have seen Devs do that before.

    Tasos is far from a paragon of virtue but that reviewer is equally a schmuck.

    Well Ill give the reviewer one thing over Tasos. He was honest and didnt tell us what he thought we wanted  to hear.

     

  • RaiizenRaiizen Member Posts: 177

    tell us something we didint already know lol

  • TheHavokTheHavok Member UncommonPosts: 2,423
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by TheHavok


    I cant believe any of you are defending a reviewer that, 1) is a contributing writer rather then a staff writer for eurogamer, and 2) admitted that he played only 9 hours of the game (Taso claims 2 hours).  Are you people so stuck in your ways that you cannot realize fault when evidence is plainly provided?
    I can understand if you dont like darkfall.  I can understand if you dont like the so called "hardcore pvpers" or Indie companies, or Tasos, or even foreign game companies, but are you people so ignorant to refuse to acknowledge that eurogamer admitted that the reviewer only spent 9 hours playing the game?  9 hours is hardly enough to properly rate ANY mmorpg.



     

    Stop being a hypocrite. please. stop.

    You want to hold these people to objectivity, and yet I did not see you here expressing your same view when they had positive reviews from a friendly fan site, and a girl who has her comics hosted by them.

    What you are telling me if the review doesnt pamper that ass enough, its not objective, but when friends of the game make reviews at are as equally biased, you suddenly arent preaching objectivity anymore?

    Pardon me if I dont follow every review, im not that into Darkfall.

    I was excited about Darkfall prior to it's release.  I thought the concepts were cool but have lost interest over the past month.  To this day, I have not played the game.  I doubt I will buy the game.

    BUT, that is beside the point. 

    The only reason why I quoted your previous post is to bring to light how wrong and ignorant you are.  I am not going to quote you again because I already know what you said. 

    I digress; the issue in this thread is the fact that Eurogamer released a review from a reviewer that claims he only played 9 hours, and according to Taso, only 2.  That is the issue.  You can say the game sucks, you can say the game is awesome, but to ignore the fact that the reviewer did not complete his task shows that you are blinded by your own bias behavior and opinions.

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by TheHavok

    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by TheHavok


    I cant believe any of you are defending a reviewer that, 1) is a contributing writer rather then a staff writer for eurogamer, and 2) admitted that he played only 9 hours of the game (Taso claims 2 hours).  Are you people so stuck in your ways that you cannot realize fault when evidence is plainly provided?
    I can understand if you dont like darkfall.  I can understand if you dont like the so called "hardcore pvpers" or Indie companies, or Tasos, or even foreign game companies, but are you people so ignorant to refuse to acknowledge that eurogamer admitted that the reviewer only spent 9 hours playing the game?  9 hours is hardly enough to properly rate ANY mmorpg.



     

    Stop being a hypocrite. please. stop.

    You want to hold these people to objectivity, and yet I did not see you here expressing your same view when they had positive reviews from a friendly fan site, and a girl who has her comics hosted by them.

    What you are telling me if the review doesnt pamper that ass enough, its not objective, but when friends of the game make reviews at are as equally biased, you suddenly arent preaching objectivity anymore?

    Pardon me if I dont follow every review, im not that into Darkfall.

    I was excited about Darkfall prior to it's release.  I thought the concepts were cool but have lost interest over the past month.  To this day, I have not played the game.  I doubt I will buy the game.

    BUT, that is beside the point. 

    The only reason why I quoted your previous post is to bring to light how wrong and ignorant you are.  I am not going to quote you again because I already know what you said. 

    I digress; the issue in this thread is the fact that Eurogamer released a review from a reviewer that claims he only played 9 hours, and according to Taso, only 2.  That is the issue.  You can say the game sucks, you can say the game is awesome, but to ignore the fact that the reviewer did not complete his task shows that you are blinded by your own bias behavior and opinions.

    Show me a person not biased by their own feelings.

     

    You believe Tasos. Thats my problem. You believe a guy who has lied more in the last 2 years than I have in my entire life.

    Why? Is his track record of dishonesty over the last years not enough for you to discredit what is probably just another lie to keep DF's head above the water.

    Id give someone the benefit of the doubt if they told me something and they were a stranger. But when a person out and out lies to you time and time gain, why the hell would you believe a word out of his mouth? I sure as hell wouldnt, and when it comes to Tasos, I dont. Track record ftw.

  • fandridisfandridis Member Posts: 6

    However, not counting what playerbase believe about the game...

    As I am Greek and seen an interview of Tasos here, they are kinda HAPPY with the game!

    It was their first try as a new company with only like 20-30 people working on it... and the server and the demand of the game is more that they can handle to! (Thats why many complain they cant buy the game)

    So from a developers point of view, Darkfall is more than successful!

  • SoludeSolude Member UncommonPosts: 691

    Darkfall bad, enough said.

    Alright little more... all anyone really needed to do was follow its dev to see if was going to flame out.  But its not an NCSoft title so probably won't break any "hit the zapper" records.  Ie NCSoft doesn't keep games that aren't profitable afloat like say SOE does so things like TR and AA top the list of fastest to close.

    Back on topic... DF bad :p

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by fandridis


    However, not counting what playerbase believe about the game...
    As I am Greek and seen an interview of Tasos here, they are kinda HAPPY with the game!
    It was their first try as a new company with only like 20-30 people working on it... and the server and the demand of the game is more that they can handle to! (Thats why many complain they cant buy the game)
    So from a developers point of view, Darkfall is more than successful!

    You are so misguided my friend. The reason they have a server that cant handle people is that they didnt properly test everything properly before release. (AI testers my ass!) They screwed up, no doubt about it. They would probably had more people playing if they hadnt dropped the ball and the servers could have handled more from the get go. But again the AV business model seems a bit backwards. Just dont go giving AV credit like soooo many people want to play it that they cant possibly keep up. Thats just incorrect.

     

  • egotripegotrip Member Posts: 875
    Originally posted by fandridis


    However, not counting what playerbase believe about the game...
    As I am Greek and seen an interview of Tasos here, they are kinda HAPPY with the game!
    It was their first try as a new company with only like 20-30 people working on it... and the server and the demand of the game is more that they can handle to! (Thats why many complain they cant buy the game)
    So from a developers point of view, Darkfall is more than successful!

    And every mother looks at her child as if it's the most beautifull child in the world, even if the child may look something like this and the rest of the world may very well think otherwise

    Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414

    This review will hurt Eurogamers reputation more than Darkfall's , As I've said before the review is a load of old Twaddle.

    There are alot of people playing the game and really enjoying it and more playing every week.. and yeah its got issues as all Mmo's do, but their sorting them out faster than I've ever seen before.

    One things for sure I'll never trust a review from Eurogamer ever again, but thankfully I have a mind of my own not like the obvious brain dead sheep that wont play a game just because Eurogamer tells them not to.

    Anyways I'm off to Darkfall to get myself Ganked ... its more fun than reading the crap from some people here .

    And just to add If your playing Darkfall and dont like it then thats fine and your entitled to an opinion , If you Hav'nt played it then STFU and go back to your Sheep Pen .

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by summitus


    This review will hurt Eurogamers reputation more than Darkfall's , As I've said before the review is a load of old Twaddle.
    There are alot of people playing the game and really enjoying it and more playing every week.. and yeah its got issues as all Mmo's do, but their sorting them out faster than I've ever seen before.
    One things for sure I'll never trust a review from Eurogamer ever again, but thankfully I have a mind of my own not like the obvious brain dead sheep that wont play a game just because Eurogamer tells them not to.



     

    Sorry to break this to you, but what reputation does DF have? So far its reputation is that of a game that didnt deliver on its promises.

    There are also a lot of people that love to eat cow testicles, the question is, are there enough to support a company selling them? Especially if they do a TERRIBLE job marketing them.

    As far as trust, I keep saying this, and Ill say it again, Tasos&Co. are the least trustworthy of any MMO company ive come in contact with. I know used car dealers with more integrity.

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by summitus


    This review will hurt Eurogamers reputation more than Darkfall's , As I've said before the review is a load of old Twaddle.
    There are alot of people playing the game and really enjoying it and more playing every week.. and yeah its got issues as all Mmo's do, but their sorting them out faster than I've ever seen before.
    One things for sure I'll never trust a review from Eurogamer ever again, but thankfully I have a mind of my own not like the obvious brain dead sheep that wont play a game just because Eurogamer tells them not to.



     

    Sorry to break this to you, but what reputation does DF have? So far its reputation is that of a game that didnt deliver on its promises.

    There are also a lot of people that love to eat cow testicles, the question is, are there enough to support a company selling them? Especially if they do a TERRIBLE job marketing them.

    As far as trust, I keep saying this, and Ill say it again, Tasos&Co. are the least trustworthy of any MMO company ive come in contact with. I know used car dealers with more integrity.



     

    I'm playing it and enjoying it, people have a choice they either take the plunge or dont , if you care about reputation so much then dont play it ... there ya go its not Rocket Science is it ?.

    Ps if I'm counting sheep tonight to get to sleep what number are you ? I'll wave as your going over the fence if you like ...

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431
    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by summitus


    This review will hurt Eurogamers reputation more than Darkfall's , As I've said before the review is a load of old Twaddle.
    There are alot of people playing the game and really enjoying it and more playing every week.. and yeah its got issues as all Mmo's do, but their sorting them out faster than I've ever seen before.
    One things for sure I'll never trust a review from Eurogamer ever again, but thankfully I have a mind of my own not like the obvious brain dead sheep that wont play a game just because Eurogamer tells them not to.



     

    Sorry to break this to you, but what reputation does DF have? So far its reputation is that of a game that didnt deliver on its promises.

    There are also a lot of people that love to eat cow testicles, the question is, are there enough to support a company selling them? Especially if they do a TERRIBLE job marketing them.

    As far as trust, I keep saying this, and Ill say it again, Tasos&Co. are the least trustworthy of any MMO company ive come in contact with. I know used car dealers with more integrity.



     

    I'm playing it and enjoying it, people have a choice they either take the plunge or dont , if you care about reputation so much then dont play it ... there ya go its not Rocket Science is it ?.

    Ps if I'm counting sheep tonight to get to sleep what number are you ? I'll wave as your going over the fence if you like ...

    I dont begrudge anyone their enjoyment of of the game. Hell Im jealous that you enjoy such a simplistic game so much, I wish I could. However in your previous post you were attributing their server problems with success, and again I assure you, that problem is due to a mistake on their part, not success.

     

  • ArckenArcken Member Posts: 2,431

    Seems you have me there Zymurgeist.

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by summitus

    Originally posted by Arcken

    Originally posted by summitus


    This review will hurt Eurogamers reputation more than Darkfall's , As I've said before the review is a load of old Twaddle.
    There are alot of people playing the game and really enjoying it and more playing every week.. and yeah its got issues as all Mmo's do, but their sorting them out faster than I've ever seen before.
    One things for sure I'll never trust a review from Eurogamer ever again, but thankfully I have a mind of my own not like the obvious brain dead sheep that wont play a game just because Eurogamer tells them not to.



     

    Sorry to break this to you, but what reputation does DF have? So far its reputation is that of a game that didnt deliver on its promises.

    There are also a lot of people that love to eat cow testicles, the question is, are there enough to support a company selling them? Especially if they do a TERRIBLE job marketing them.

    As far as trust, I keep saying this, and Ill say it again, Tasos&Co. are the least trustworthy of any MMO company ive come in contact with. I know used car dealers with more integrity.



     

    I'm playing it and enjoying it, people have a choice they either take the plunge or dont , if you care about reputation so much then dont play it ... there ya go its not Rocket Science is it ?.

    Ps if I'm counting sheep tonight to get to sleep what number are you ? I'll wave as your going over the fence if you like ...

    I dont begrudge anyone their enjoyment of of the game. Hell Im jealous that you enjoy such a simplistic game so much, I wish I could. However in your previous post you were attributing their server problems with success, and again I assure you, that problem is due to a mistake on their part, not success.

     



     

    Since when is it simplistic  what part of it is simplistic?

    As for the problems they are sorting it out as fast as they can I had some issues with Ping and getting the game running properly but I have it mostly sorted out now, you  know what ,I had more problems with AoC and Vanguard than I've had with Darkfall.

    I personally feel the game is good enough to stick with and its getting better with every patch.  I think Darkfall is going be something special .. and take note (" I am not a so called Fanboi as people like to call them " )  I love games and have played nearly every Mmo there is, I became interested in PVP by playing Warhammer and I believe Darkfall is going in the right direction for me .. tbh I cant Stop playing at the moment because I find it so addictive.

    I'm just a normal gamer ( tho an old one ) playing something which I enjoy, you have opinions too, thats great and If Darkfalls fails for whatever reason I for one will be very sad, they have dared to different IMO and I hope eventally they have success.. and if they dont then you can tell me on here I told you so if you like.

  • RekindleRekindle Member UncommonPosts: 1,206

    Darkfall is "special" alright.  Its clear to me now the entire thing is an excercise to see how much paying customers will tolerate.  Darkfall will open the door for many half assed productions because its now a known fact that people will pay money for anything.

    I know i sound disrespectful to those that play it and I'm not really trying to single you out. But this game was marketed to be FAR more than what it actaully is.  It was suposed to be a living breathing UO like world. Instead its a husk of a mmo with Quake III game play. 

  • FariicFariic Member Posts: 1,546
    Originally posted by Rekindle


    Darkfall is "special" alright.  Its clear to me now the entire thing is an excercise to see how much paying customers will tolerate.  Darkfall will open the door for many half assed productions because its now a known fact that people will pay money for anything.
    I know i sound disrespectful to those that play it and I'm not really trying to single you out. But this game was marketed to be FAR more than what it actaully is.  It was suposed to be a living breathing UO like world. Instead its a husk of a mmo with Quake III game play. 



     

    Quake 3 had superior gameplay.

  • A.BlacklochA.Blackloch Member UncommonPosts: 842

    Oh man, another "someone hates this, should I hate it too?"

    WTS opinions.

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Fariic

    Originally posted by Rekindle


    Darkfall is "special" alright.  Its clear to me now the entire thing is an excercise to see how much paying customers will tolerate.  Darkfall will open the door for many half assed productions because its now a known fact that people will pay money for anything.
    I know i sound disrespectful to those that play it and I'm not really trying to single you out. But this game was marketed to be FAR more than what it actaully is.  It was suposed to be a living breathing UO like world. Instead its a husk of a mmo with Quake III game play. 



     

    Quake 3 had superior gameplay.



     

    Dont be so ridiculous

  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Rekindle


    Darkfall is "special" alright.  Its clear to me now the entire thing is an excercise to see how much paying customers will tolerate.  Darkfall will open the door for many half assed productions because its now a known fact that people will pay money for anything.
    I know i sound disrespectful to those that play it and I'm not really trying to single you out. But this game was marketed to be FAR more than what it actaully is.  It was suposed to be a living breathing UO like world. Instead its a husk of a mmo with Quake III game play. 



     

    If you hav'nt played it then you dont know what your talking about .

  • EdellEdell Member UncommonPosts: 23

    I agree with Tasos when he says it's a niche game.

     

    I never really enjoyed WoW, Lineage 2, Guildwars, and many games the mass do really love. Most of the time it's all about PvE, questing, and as soon as you hit level max, PvP. But then again, you would have to farm for hours in PvE dungeons in order to get the right stuff for PvP.

    On the other hand, I loved Neocron and Face of Mankind because they were all about PvP and their sandbox side would give me the freedom to play them my way. Of course, these games didn't have the much bestest graphics ever made, or an awesome storyline with truly epic quests with incredible rewards for the players ... and because of all this, many players would just spit at them.

     

    Right now I'm enjoying Darkfall online. I'm not saying the game is flawless, but it doesn't mean it's not fun at all. Some of us will like it, many may not, but please, don't spit on it. Giving a bad reputation to a game that doesn't really deserve it may scare some potential players who may have really loved it.

    I know it, it almost happened to me. When Darkfall launched, some feedbacks were so hateful, I was wondering if I should really buy it right now ... which I didn't. I waited for a couple of weeks before realizing I was so bored with the current mmo, I had to try something different. I finally bought Darkfall and I must say : I don't regret it.

     

    It's a niche game for PvP lovers and players who enjoy a great hardcore gameplay (as UO and SWG precu were) ... at the expense of awesome graphics with lolshaders and the ability to fly at level 10.

     

    You can flame my post, doesn't mean you have a point.

     

     

    Edit: yay for first post after 2 years.

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Answer to OP: No.

    Darkfall is a terrible game but the thought is good and the effort genuine. Other games like Mourning were basically scams and I dont feel Darkfall is a scam. It is just a terribly implemented game.

  • LordmonkusLordmonkus Member Posts: 808

    I have not played Darkfall as of yet though I would like to try it out some time down the road when it's gotten some polish and bugs worked out. I could care less if Tasos logs are fake or not, it doesn't matter to me. I have never been one to trust reviews of a game, I have seen too many good games get shitty reviews and shitty games getting a good reviews. I do enjoy reading well written reviews of truly terrible games so I though I would give this review a read and I have to say it was one of the worst written reviews I have ever read, the reviewer is so full of bias and comes through so clearly in his words its rediculous.

    "anarchic control system"  WTF is an anarchic control system ? Does the control scheme support anarchy or something ? Nice try at being clever but completely pointless words.

    The reviewers criticism of the loot and bag management system was nothing more than a childish whine and not a review of the system. The system is the way it is for a reason and even though I do not and never have played Darkfall I fully undertsand why it is the way it is. Then the review just proceeded to slagthe game because its an FPS style game. Well too bad for the reviewer that not all MMOs are just like WoW.

    Anyways, the review itself was bad, and only 9 hours played to review an MMO ? Come on, thats pathetic. I'd expect 9 hours from some fat youtube reviewer but for a supposed professional writer I am sorry. Spend at least a month playing the game 6-7 hours a day to review an MMO please. It's like those guys that play the Eve tutorial for 5 minutes then feel they can review the game fairly based on that.

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