First off not everyone likes every game. They should of had someone who liked PRE-CU SWG or EVE or UO or AC or SB.
And then give it review compared to those games.
He didnt try or even had time to learn the controls.
Dfo is a hardcore game due to this reason, no tutorial, no manual, no hand holding.
You need a hardcore reviewer to give a review of a hardcore game. You can have someone who gave wow and war 8/10 and then expect him to give DFO a good review. Specially since he QQ'ed the whole review, without even trying to learn the controls or hitting right click and looked at the top left to see the OPTIONS TAB.
This guy is a joke and his review was far from what the first impression gave to most people.
You just can't please everyone in this game some love it some hate it, I love it, but he hates it.
But his review did lie about a few things and showed immaturity as well, and for a guy who isn't even a professional reviewer giving a professional review of a game is just wrong and eurogamers are at fault.
Then again some hate it some love it, I know theres about 15-25 thousand subs who like it, Hell in alliances alone we got llike 6-7 thousands, all those smaller non alliance guilds and unguildeds equal to at least 15k, not to mention mercs and whatknot.
Take from this what you will ,but in the end the game is fun for some and hated by some. And for some its Meh. To me its fun. But this review is dead wrong and was not properly executed plain and simple.
Until someone at Aventurine wakes up and muzzles Tasos, the company will continue to be the laughing stock of the MMO genre. Using a techie that can't separate his emotions from his attachment to the game as a mouth piece is probably the worst decision Aventurine has ever made. We will continue to get our daily laughs at the expense of this harried individual as long as they continue to use him in this capacity.
Lol, you guys are funny, Some people love to hear what the devs say. I love to hear what the game itself says. Was tasos in the wrong? perhaps, but he is a newb dev. And for a newbie Dev the game is fun and have none other in its genre. Will it get better til competition comes out? I hope. But right now I am playing it and loving it and will til the next game comes out, thats gaming, and thats what fun is about, playing what you like.
First off not everyone likes every game. They should of had someone who liked PRE-CU SWG or EVE or UO or AC or SB. And then give it review compared to those games. He didnt try or even had time to learn the controls. Dfo is a hardcore game due to this reason, no tutorial, no manual, no hand holding. You need a hardcore reviewer to give a review of a hardcore game. You can have someone who gave wow and war 8/10 and then expect him to give DFO a good review. Specially since he QQ'ed the whole review, without even trying to learn the controls or hitting right click and looked at the top left to see the OPTIONS TAB.
This guy is a joke and his review was far from what the first impression gave to most people. You just can't please everyone in this game some love it some hate it, I love it, but he hates it. But his review did lie about a few things and showed immaturity as well, and for a guy who isn't even a professional reviewer giving a professional review of a game is just wrong and eurogamers are at fault.
Then again some hate it some love it, I know theres about 15-25 thousand subs who like it, Hell in alliances alone we got llike 6-7 thousands, all those smaller non alliance guilds and unguildeds equal to at least 15k, not to mention mercs and whatknot. Take from this what you will ,but in the end the game is fun for some and hated by some. And for some its Meh. To me its fun. But this review is dead wrong and was not properly executed plain and simple.
If by so called Hardcore you mean its shit, then yes Darkfall=hardcore(shit).
If by Hardcore, you mean bad game design then yes Darkfall=hardcore(shit)
Wtf makes Drakfall a hardcore game? you think because its got no manual its a hardcore game? lol
Any game any player can play hardcore, there are hardcore guilds and players probably in all mmo's, eq, war, aoc, lotro, wow,SB, daoc.
If by hand holding, you mean the game is so poorly designed that finding anything and doing anything is just tediuos and a pain in the arse to do, then yes Darkfall is Hradcore(shit).
Perhaps the reviewer was comparing the game he played to the (out of date) "Feature List" on the website. Which, of course, would make sense... apparently websites aren't the grandest ways of explaining what a game has to offer?
on another note:
From what I've heard from everybody I talk to regularly, the game's content only lasts for roughly a few hours anyways before you're expected to "make your own content through PvP". Perhaps a month of Macroing skills and another month of (the game's main feature) gankfests is just unacceptable to the person who did the review.
It's entirely possible the reviewer wanted to do something that did not require him to find a group of trustworthy people to sit on TS/Vent with for hours and hours.
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It is not the responsibility of the player to find the "Fun" in a game, its the responsibility of the game to show the player the fun.
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I bet that Kieron is making bloody sure he has documentary evidence as to the time he played what with the heavy doubt over the claims of the devs (or their ability to calculate the appropriate time played). Out of interest - are their any data protection issues with releasing this sort of info, or it EULAd away?
I play Darkfall. I'm not a fanboi. Yes, the game still has a lot of things that need to be worked on. True, the game is not as polished as it should have been before release. If you don't have friends in the game, helping you by answering your questions, it can be frustrating.
But, this guy's review was just inaccurate. He got more things wrong than he got right. Some things he just didn't understand. Other things he didn't really do and is claiming he did, or he just decided to lie about them.
For example, take his comment that there is no way to remove the GUI elements for a screenshot. There is. And asking in one of the channels will get you an answer that there is in about 5 seconds. Or, just bring up the options menu and look at the key bindings - it's right there, obvious.
The reviewer failed on this review. And, he obviously hated the game. What's the opposite of a fanboi? Whatever that is, that's what this guy sounded like. I prefer the reviews I read to be more objective and helpful, less hatemail. If I can remember the name of this 'reviewer' in the future, I think I'll be avoiding his reviews.
its crazy to me how butt hurt so many people are on this forum about darkfall. 2/10 is very unfair and anyone who think it is fair is dillusional. I dont even like Darkfall! but from my 10 hours in game i would give it at least 5/10.
2/10 are reserved for games like "World of Barbiecraft: the wrath of the pink queen"
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You know you've already lost an argument when you have to personally attack a reviewer of the game. I was considering giving Darkfall a try, after reading several of Tasos posts, it is clear to me that this game is not for me.
I'm so damn sick and tired of seeing game producers behaving as if they hold the most important job in the world. From Mythic's Jacobs to Aventurine's Tasos these guys need to get down to earth and stop being so pompous and realize they're nothing but the figurehead of a gaming company. Most players (and people in general) don't like to be talked down to or patronized. If you want to bring in the community you have to get yourself down from that Ivory Tower.
First off not everyone likes every game. They should of had someone who liked PRE-CU SWG or EVE or UO or AC or SB. And then give it review compared to those games. He didnt try or even had time to learn the controls. Dfo is a hardcore game due to this reason, no tutorial, no manual, no hand holding. You need a hardcore reviewer to give a review of a hardcore game. You can have someone who gave wow and war 8/10 and then expect him to give DFO a good review. Specially since he QQ'ed the whole review, without even trying to learn the controls or hitting right click and looked at the top left to see the OPTIONS TAB.
This guy is a joke and his review was far from what the first impression gave to most people. You just can't please everyone in this game some love it some hate it, I love it, but he hates it. But his review did lie about a few things and showed immaturity as well, and for a guy who isn't even a professional reviewer giving a professional review of a game is just wrong and eurogamers are at fault.
Then again some hate it some love it, I know theres about 15-25 thousand subs who like it, Hell in alliances alone we got llike 6-7 thousands, all those smaller non alliance guilds and unguildeds equal to at least 15k, not to mention mercs and whatknot. Take from this what you will ,but in the end the game is fun for some and hated by some. And for some its Meh. To me its fun. But this review is dead wrong and was not properly executed plain and simple.
How can you judge what the man had time for or not? Again Tasos has proven, that if it comes from his mouth it's a lie. This is undisputable.
I didn't belive his statement about 3 hours play time, in the beggining, and now its said theat the guy played 9. Quite honestly, in regards to Darkfail, 1 hour is enough.
I beleive the reviewer's account over his play time VS what Tasos says anyday. Untill Tasos shows us the logs, he can say whatever he wants as time played. He could say the guy played 5 minutes only. And both of the remaining players since the mass cheating ban will scream SQL servers dont lie!!! Like the video on You Tube of the girl crying about leave Britney alone. Just change the name to tasos..
The guy's review could not be more accurate. It does not differ much from what former players have posted here.
Also you..... the true trolls.. the fans of Darkfail, Keep saying the reviewer is lying, but none of you say what he is lying about..give examples. You people are as credible as Tasos.
its crazy to me how butt hurt so many people are on this forum about darkfall. 2/10 is very unfair and anyone who think it is fair is dillusional. I dont even like Darkfall! but from my 10 hours in game i would give it at least 5/10.
2/10 are reserved for games like "World of Barbiecraft: the wrath of the pink queen"
Why is it unfair? its becoming more and more acceptable to put out crap because of consumers with no sense, so that when a game like Darkfail comes out, it gets a 5 or better from people like you who reward bad behavior.
darkfall isnt your ex-girlfriend.......leave the poor game alone lol
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The reviewer OBVIOUSLY isnt a fan of MMORPGs in general, therefore he shouldnt be able to review it. Darkfall wasnt meant to be a fun entertaining game to any joe who just picks it up and starts playing. It is a game for the ultima/swg/ac etc type people who wanted a sandbox and have been following DF for a long time, nothing more, nothing less. Unforuntaely the game got so much hype that it wasw inevitably bunched in with bigger titles like EQ2/WAR/AoC/Whatever and therefore seems to be constnaly compared to them.
On that note, I think darkfall sucks. I waited forever, played for a few days, dont plan on going back for a loong time, if ever.
Originally posted by Scagweed22 is it the graphics? the repetativenesses? i mean what is the point? you could be so much more productive in real life Real life brings repetition and pointlessness too. The only thing real life offers is Great graphics. Its kinda expensive too and way to dependent on the cash shop. Totally pay to win as well. No thank you. Ill stick to my games.
2 / 10 is accurate, IMO. This game is a clumsy awkward, ugly turd. When you read the description of a 2 / 10 score... it sounds just like darkfall to me.
I hate the way most magazine review games. Most seem to say... score this game on a scale of 7 to 10. & being almost unplayable and 10 being slightly better than the rest. If a game is a huge flaming pile.. it deserves something below 5. darkfall is one of the worst MMOs to ever see the light of day, and I am counting "free" games. That big baby Tasos needs to work on fixing the game rather than trying to silence professional critics.
Everyone blames the reviewer, insted of the game. This is funny.
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Originally posted by Izure Lol, you guys are funny, Some people love to hear what the devs say.
I absolutely love to hear developers talk, about their game. What they have to say about a review or publication, other developers, or other games is really only interesting when it's positive - it's great to know that the creative and technical guys appreciate each others' work. If they don't they should just keep that to themselves and prove the others wrong through their product, instead of creating drama and throwing dung between camps, really only showing that they have come up with a lot of dung. ;-)
Oh, and that's not about this case in general. There have been some other cases, without wanting to rip them up. Some were surely innocent mishaps, others seemed rather PR-like, and yet others bordering on downright malicious.
This is absolutely hilarious, after reading the initital review then the response from Tasos and then the response from EG and then the rebuttal, I've come to the conclusion that Tasos is 1 sandwhich short of a picnic.
Getting involved in a war of words over a review is not a good thing, one person will always come off looking like an arse, and seeing as EG are proffessionals within the field of reviewing games and Tasos isn't I'd say they have the advantage.
If I was Tasos, thank god I'm not, I would keep quiet before he gets in too deep.
I was one of those ppl who was going to wait a couple of months to try DFO, not anymore, this whole debacle is totally unproffessional and shows that they are unwilling to accept it when they recieve a bad review.
on a completely seperate note: Perhaps the reviewer was comparing the game he played to the (out of date) "Feature List" on the website. Which, of course, would make sense... apparently websites aren't the grandest ways of explaining what a game has to offer?
on another note: From what I've heard from everybody I talk to regularly, the game's content only lasts for roughly a few hours anyways before you're expected to "make your own content through PvP". Perhaps a month of Macroing skills and another month of (the game's main feature) gankfests is just unacceptable to the person who did the review. It's entirely possible the reviewer wanted to do something that did not require him to find a group of trustworthy people to sit on TS/Vent with for hours and hours.
I agree whole heartedly. They could have saved on those high school (read professional) game testers, and gotten at least a couple of quest writers in.
As to Tasos himself, it rings more and more like John Smedley- all over again. I knew for months before the release that Tasos had his playbook, but sheesh... never would have thought he would even be using the appendixes!
Word of advice to Tasos- reviews pay your paycheck, especially with you being the Marketing department's talking head. It is better to take the "debate" off of public forums and settle your issues with Eurogamer privately. That is, if you want to keep your job.
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If anyone thinks that if EA had the same game reviewed they would receive a 2/10, I've got some bridges you may be interested in.
The fact that Eurogamer thinks they can piss on this company, and have it not come back and bite them in the ass, is probably a good thing. The fact that they don't do that with every review ruins their credibility.
I have no problem with the review, taken in no context. But when compared to their reviews of other games, it's apparent that their editors have advertising dollars in their minds when they put up reviews.
2 hours or 9 hours, is obviously not enough to properly review an MMORPG. If the reviewer didn't want to do the work, then he should have told his editor, and they could find someone who would actually play it.
Eurogamer has a lot of egg on their face, and I would suggest they get an actual review up as quickly as possible. I would also suggest that the reviewer logs his time online and verifies it with AV.
If anyone thinks that if EA had the same game reviewed they would receive a 2/10, I've got some bridges you may be interested in. The fact that Eurogamer thinks they can piss on this company, and have it not come back and bite them in the ass, is probably a good thing. The fact that they don't do that with every review ruins their credibility. I have no problem with the review, taken in no context. But when compared to their reviews of other games, it's apparent that their editors have advertising dollars in their minds when they put up reviews. 2 hours or 9 hours, is obviously not enough to properly review an MMORPG. If the reviewer didn't want to do the work, then he should have told his editor, and they could find someone who would actually play it. Eurogamer has a lot of egg on their face, and I would suggest they get an actual review up as quickly as possible. I would also suggest that the reviewer logs his time online and verifies it with AV.
That's right... but only because EA would never release a game in such shit shape. They would have probably canned the game fairly early in it's development if they were publishing it.... since it is bad from the ground up. This game isn't unfinished, it's the product of ineptitude.
I think it's pretty funny that you are blaming the reviewer. Eurogamer has egg on their face.. come on. Outside of a handful of fanbots, everyone else who reads this review will agree with it, or simply take it a face value because it echoes so much of what they have already heard and seen about this game.
On the subject of tasos and server logs... why should we all start believing a known liar now? Tasos certainly has more incentive to be dishonest about this than the reviewer does.
For all you haters, like MrBloodworth or Caesar (who haven't even played the game), what if it's the truth that the reviewer only played for two hours? Furthermore, for an MMO, you really think that (if the reviewer did play this long) nine hours is enough time to get an accurate reflection of an MMO beyond the initial starting areas/new player levels?
I can understand MrBloodworth, who has a vested interest in this game's failure for some reason, but Caesar you should know better. Heck, this could almost hit a hypocritical level with you Caesar. Shall we go back to the RapidReality days with this one?
Could see a reviewer who doesn't care for pvp or a non-leveling system, or a more twitch based combat system, hating a game and giving up after losing their stuff for the 10th time in two hours to gankers (especially a WoW or LoTRO fan, or especially a non-mmo player). As a reviewer playing for 'two hours' or even nine, they don't have time to form relationships in this game, nor would they have a vested interest in doing so. And, for a game like Darkfall, you need to find buddies to survive in the world. It's what makes the game appealing to so many people.
Furthermore, people yell to high heaven about Tasos constantly lying. Going as far as to say that it's non-debatable. I've seen some of the arguments of him lying before, and 50% of it is a matter of perspective, another 40% of it is flat out taking things out of context. For example, Tasos said they weren't going to have pre-orders, but later on Aventurine changed their mind and they decided to do pre-orders, which Tasos came out well before hand to announce. Changing your mind about something isn't lying.
Skills being consolidated into other skills or not having as many skills, and features, as planned and having to trim things down isn't lying either. All MMOs end up doing this. Heck, I've seen far worse cases of this from far bigger and more well funded companies, without them even announcing it and having it printing right on the box.
It's funny how people spit so much venom towards Tasos and Aventurine, as if they are really on the Dark and Light or Mourning level. Hell, some of you were defended the worse there is, which is Rapid Reality, but going after Tasos and Aventurine with a pitchfork.
I didn't see Aventurine taking your money with early pre-order cash in (think Mourning) before you could cancel. Nor do I see them stealing their technology (like Dark and Light), lying about some miracle build and players playing only the shell of it. And, at the bottom of the barrel (looks over towards Caesar), Rapid Reality. These guys took pre-orders and never even produced a game. Heck, they went as far as to make a new company, release a game called Phylon (a butchered version of Endless Ages) and ripped off even more people with that endeavor.
I've seen liars (Turbine and SOE), I've seen crap (Mourning, D&L, Rapid Reality), Tasos/Aventurine has never reached the level that any of these companies have reached and yet you guys spit so much venom/crap towards Tasos and Aventurine, on the same level as those companies.
If anyone thinks that if EA had the same game reviewed they would receive a 2/10, I've got some bridges you may be interested in. The fact that Eurogamer thinks they can piss on this company, and have it not come back and bite them in the ass, is probably a good thing. The fact that they don't do that with every review ruins their credibility. I have no problem with the review, taken in no context. But when compared to their reviews of other games, it's apparent that their editors have advertising dollars in their minds when they put up reviews. 2 hours or 9 hours, is obviously not enough to properly review an MMORPG. If the reviewer didn't want to do the work, then he should have told his editor, and they could find someone who would actually play it. Eurogamer has a lot of egg on their face, and I would suggest they get an actual review up as quickly as possible. I would also suggest that the reviewer logs his time online and verifies it with AV.
Yeah, because EG never gives EA games low scores. Why in 2 minutes looking I couldn't find anysuch examples.
If anyone thinks that if EA had the same game reviewed they would receive a 2/10, I've got some bridges you may be interested in. The fact that Eurogamer thinks they can piss on this company, and have it not come back and bite them in the ass, is probably a good thing. The fact that they don't do that with every review ruins their credibility. I have no problem with the review, taken in no context. But when compared to their reviews of other games, it's apparent that their editors have advertising dollars in their minds when they put up reviews. 2 hours or 9 hours, is obviously not enough to properly review an MMORPG. If the reviewer didn't want to do the work, then he should have told his editor, and they could find someone who would actually play it. Eurogamer has a lot of egg on their face, and I would suggest they get an actual review up as quickly as possible. I would also suggest that the reviewer logs his time online and verifies it with AV.
That's right... but only because EA would never release a game in such shit shape. They would have probably canned the game fairly early in it's development if they were publishing it.... since it is bad from the ground up. This game isn't unfinished, it's the product of ineptitude.
I think it's pretty funny that you are blaming the reviewer. Eurogamer has egg on their face.. come on. Outside of a handful of fanbots, everyone else who reads this review will agree with it, or simply take it a face value because it echoes so much of what they have already heard and seen about this game.
On the subject of tasos and server logs... why should we all start believing a known liar now? Tasos certainly has more incentive to be dishonest about this than the reviewer does.
I'd point out at Paragus's blog on how to write an ACTUAL review.
This EG guy just said he couldnt figure how to interact with NPCs so he went 30 seconds out of town, got pwned by goblins, took 16 times as long to loot as a normal player (arthritis, maybe?) and he concluded the "review" with the journalistically proper troll warcry of "FANBOOOOYYZZZ!!!½"oneone"
There, I fit his whole "review" in one paragraph...I think 2 hours of time played is overstatement (again, if the reviewer doesnt suffer from serious case of arthritis)
Edit: and companies have every right to protect themselves against self-apparent libel.
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looks like a cat fight to me. Reviewer vs Dev. I've never seen a dev go after them before...funny.
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First off not everyone likes every game. They should of had someone who liked PRE-CU SWG or EVE or UO or AC or SB.
And then give it review compared to those games.
He didnt try or even had time to learn the controls.
Dfo is a hardcore game due to this reason, no tutorial, no manual, no hand holding.
You need a hardcore reviewer to give a review of a hardcore game. You can have someone who gave wow and war 8/10 and then expect him to give DFO a good review. Specially since he QQ'ed the whole review, without even trying to learn the controls or hitting right click and looked at the top left to see the OPTIONS TAB.
This guy is a joke and his review was far from what the first impression gave to most people.
You just can't please everyone in this game some love it some hate it, I love it, but he hates it.
But his review did lie about a few things and showed immaturity as well, and for a guy who isn't even a professional reviewer giving a professional review of a game is just wrong and eurogamers are at fault.
Then again some hate it some love it, I know theres about 15-25 thousand subs who like it, Hell in alliances alone we got llike 6-7 thousands, all those smaller non alliance guilds and unguildeds equal to at least 15k, not to mention mercs and whatknot.
Take from this what you will ,but in the end the game is fun for some and hated by some. And for some its Meh. To me its fun. But this review is dead wrong and was not properly executed plain and simple.
Lol, you guys are funny, Some people love to hear what the devs say. I love to hear what the game itself says. Was tasos in the wrong? perhaps, but he is a newb dev. And for a newbie Dev the game is fun and have none other in its genre. Will it get better til competition comes out? I hope. But right now I am playing it and loving it and will til the next game comes out, thats gaming, and thats what fun is about, playing what you like.
If by so called Hardcore you mean its shit, then yes Darkfall=hardcore(shit).
If by Hardcore, you mean bad game design then yes Darkfall=hardcore(shit)
Wtf makes Drakfall a hardcore game? you think because its got no manual its a hardcore game? lol
Any game any player can play hardcore, there are hardcore guilds and players probably in all mmo's, eq, war, aoc, lotro, wow,SB, daoc.
If by hand holding, you mean the game is so poorly designed that finding anything and doing anything is just tediuos and a pain in the arse to do, then yes Darkfall is Hradcore(shit).
on a completely seperate note:
Perhaps the reviewer was comparing the game he played to the (out of date) "Feature List" on the website. Which, of course, would make sense... apparently websites aren't the grandest ways of explaining what a game has to offer?
on another note:
From what I've heard from everybody I talk to regularly, the game's content only lasts for roughly a few hours anyways before you're expected to "make your own content through PvP". Perhaps a month of Macroing skills and another month of (the game's main feature) gankfests is just unacceptable to the person who did the review.
It's entirely possible the reviewer wanted to do something that did not require him to find a group of trustworthy people to sit on TS/Vent with for hours and hours.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
It is not the responsibility of the player to find the "Fun" in a game, its the responsibility of the game to show the player the fun.
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I bet that Kieron is making bloody sure he has documentary evidence as to the time he played what with the heavy doubt over the claims of the devs (or their ability to calculate the appropriate time played). Out of interest - are their any data protection issues with releasing this sort of info, or it EULAd away?
I play Darkfall. I'm not a fanboi. Yes, the game still has a lot of things that need to be worked on. True, the game is not as polished as it should have been before release. If you don't have friends in the game, helping you by answering your questions, it can be frustrating.
But, this guy's review was just inaccurate. He got more things wrong than he got right. Some things he just didn't understand. Other things he didn't really do and is claiming he did, or he just decided to lie about them.
For example, take his comment that there is no way to remove the GUI elements for a screenshot. There is. And asking in one of the channels will get you an answer that there is in about 5 seconds. Or, just bring up the options menu and look at the key bindings - it's right there, obvious.
The reviewer failed on this review. And, he obviously hated the game. What's the opposite of a fanboi? Whatever that is, that's what this guy sounded like. I prefer the reviews I read to be more objective and helpful, less hatemail. If I can remember the name of this 'reviewer' in the future, I think I'll be avoiding his reviews.
its crazy to me how butt hurt so many people are on this forum about darkfall. 2/10 is very unfair and anyone who think it is fair is dillusional. I dont even like Darkfall! but from my 10 hours in game i would give it at least 5/10.
2/10 are reserved for games like "World of Barbiecraft: the wrath of the pink queen"
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Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
You know you've already lost an argument when you have to personally attack a reviewer of the game. I was considering giving Darkfall a try, after reading several of Tasos posts, it is clear to me that this game is not for me.
I'm so damn sick and tired of seeing game producers behaving as if they hold the most important job in the world. From Mythic's Jacobs to Aventurine's Tasos these guys need to get down to earth and stop being so pompous and realize they're nothing but the figurehead of a gaming company. Most players (and people in general) don't like to be talked down to or patronized. If you want to bring in the community you have to get yourself down from that Ivory Tower.
Peace.
How can you judge what the man had time for or not? Again Tasos has proven, that if it comes from his mouth it's a lie. This is undisputable.
I didn't belive his statement about 3 hours play time, in the beggining, and now its said theat the guy played 9. Quite honestly, in regards to Darkfail, 1 hour is enough.
I beleive the reviewer's account over his play time VS what Tasos says anyday. Untill Tasos shows us the logs, he can say whatever he wants as time played. He could say the guy played 5 minutes only. And both of the remaining players since the mass cheating ban will scream SQL servers dont lie!!! Like the video on You Tube of the girl crying about leave Britney alone. Just change the name to tasos..
The guy's review could not be more accurate. It does not differ much from what former players have posted here.
Also you..... the true trolls.. the fans of Darkfail, Keep saying the reviewer is lying, but none of you say what he is lying about..give examples. You people are as credible as Tasos.
Why is it unfair? its becoming more and more acceptable to put out crap because of consumers with no sense, so that when a game like Darkfail comes out, it gets a 5 or better from people like you who reward bad behavior.
darkfall isnt your ex-girlfriend.......leave the poor game alone lol
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Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO
Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
The reviewer OBVIOUSLY isnt a fan of MMORPGs in general, therefore he shouldnt be able to review it. Darkfall wasnt meant to be a fun entertaining game to any joe who just picks it up and starts playing. It is a game for the ultima/swg/ac etc type people who wanted a sandbox and have been following DF for a long time, nothing more, nothing less. Unforuntaely the game got so much hype that it wasw inevitably bunched in with bigger titles like EQ2/WAR/AoC/Whatever and therefore seems to be constnaly compared to them.
On that note, I think darkfall sucks. I waited forever, played for a few days, dont plan on going back for a loong time, if ever.
Originally posted by Scagweed22
is it the graphics? the repetativenesses? i mean what is the point? you could be so much more productive in real life
Real life brings repetition and pointlessness too. The only thing real life offers is Great graphics. Its kinda expensive too and way to dependent on the cash shop. Totally pay to win as well. No thank you. Ill stick to my games.
2 / 10 is accurate, IMO. This game is a clumsy awkward, ugly turd. When you read the description of a 2 / 10 score... it sounds just like darkfall to me.
I hate the way most magazine review games. Most seem to say... score this game on a scale of 7 to 10. & being almost unplayable and 10 being slightly better than the rest. If a game is a huge flaming pile.. it deserves something below 5. darkfall is one of the worst MMOs to ever see the light of day, and I am counting "free" games. That big baby Tasos needs to work on fixing the game rather than trying to silence professional critics.
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Everyone blames the reviewer, insted of the game. This is funny.
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I absolutely love to hear developers talk, about their game. What they have to say about a review or publication, other developers, or other games is really only interesting when it's positive - it's great to know that the creative and technical guys appreciate each others' work. If they don't they should just keep that to themselves and prove the others wrong through their product, instead of creating drama and throwing dung between camps, really only showing that they have come up with a lot of dung. ;-)
Oh, and that's not about this case in general. There have been some other cases, without wanting to rip them up. Some were surely innocent mishaps, others seemed rather PR-like, and yet others bordering on downright malicious.
This is absolutely hilarious, after reading the initital review then the response from Tasos and then the response from EG and then the rebuttal, I've come to the conclusion that Tasos is 1 sandwhich short of a picnic.
Getting involved in a war of words over a review is not a good thing, one person will always come off looking like an arse, and seeing as EG are proffessionals within the field of reviewing games and Tasos isn't I'd say they have the advantage.
If I was Tasos, thank god I'm not, I would keep quiet before he gets in too deep.
I was one of those ppl who was going to wait a couple of months to try DFO, not anymore, this whole debacle is totally unproffessional and shows that they are unwilling to accept it when they recieve a bad review.
I agree whole heartedly. They could have saved on those high school (read professional) game testers, and gotten at least a couple of quest writers in.
As to Tasos himself, it rings more and more like John Smedley- all over again. I knew for months before the release that Tasos had his playbook, but sheesh... never would have thought he would even be using the appendixes!
Word of advice to Tasos- reviews pay your paycheck, especially with you being the Marketing department's talking head. It is better to take the "debate" off of public forums and settle your issues with Eurogamer privately. That is, if you want to keep your job.
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"Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
If anyone thinks that if EA had the same game reviewed they would receive a 2/10, I've got some bridges you may be interested in.
The fact that Eurogamer thinks they can piss on this company, and have it not come back and bite them in the ass, is probably a good thing. The fact that they don't do that with every review ruins their credibility.
I have no problem with the review, taken in no context. But when compared to their reviews of other games, it's apparent that their editors have advertising dollars in their minds when they put up reviews.
2 hours or 9 hours, is obviously not enough to properly review an MMORPG. If the reviewer didn't want to do the work, then he should have told his editor, and they could find someone who would actually play it.
Eurogamer has a lot of egg on their face, and I would suggest they get an actual review up as quickly as possible. I would also suggest that the reviewer logs his time online and verifies it with AV.
That's right... but only because EA would never release a game in such shit shape. They would have probably canned the game fairly early in it's development if they were publishing it.... since it is bad from the ground up. This game isn't unfinished, it's the product of ineptitude.
I think it's pretty funny that you are blaming the reviewer. Eurogamer has egg on their face.. come on. Outside of a handful of fanbots, everyone else who reads this review will agree with it, or simply take it a face value because it echoes so much of what they have already heard and seen about this game.
On the subject of tasos and server logs... why should we all start believing a known liar now? Tasos certainly has more incentive to be dishonest about this than the reviewer does.
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For all you haters, like MrBloodworth or Caesar (who haven't even played the game), what if it's the truth that the reviewer only played for two hours? Furthermore, for an MMO, you really think that (if the reviewer did play this long) nine hours is enough time to get an accurate reflection of an MMO beyond the initial starting areas/new player levels?
I can understand MrBloodworth, who has a vested interest in this game's failure for some reason, but Caesar you should know better. Heck, this could almost hit a hypocritical level with you Caesar. Shall we go back to the RapidReality days with this one?
Could see a reviewer who doesn't care for pvp or a non-leveling system, or a more twitch based combat system, hating a game and giving up after losing their stuff for the 10th time in two hours to gankers (especially a WoW or LoTRO fan, or especially a non-mmo player). As a reviewer playing for 'two hours' or even nine, they don't have time to form relationships in this game, nor would they have a vested interest in doing so. And, for a game like Darkfall, you need to find buddies to survive in the world. It's what makes the game appealing to so many people.
Furthermore, people yell to high heaven about Tasos constantly lying. Going as far as to say that it's non-debatable. I've seen some of the arguments of him lying before, and 50% of it is a matter of perspective, another 40% of it is flat out taking things out of context. For example, Tasos said they weren't going to have pre-orders, but later on Aventurine changed their mind and they decided to do pre-orders, which Tasos came out well before hand to announce. Changing your mind about something isn't lying.
Skills being consolidated into other skills or not having as many skills, and features, as planned and having to trim things down isn't lying either. All MMOs end up doing this. Heck, I've seen far worse cases of this from far bigger and more well funded companies, without them even announcing it and having it printing right on the box.
It's funny how people spit so much venom towards Tasos and Aventurine, as if they are really on the Dark and Light or Mourning level. Hell, some of you were defended the worse there is, which is Rapid Reality, but going after Tasos and Aventurine with a pitchfork.
I didn't see Aventurine taking your money with early pre-order cash in (think Mourning) before you could cancel. Nor do I see them stealing their technology (like Dark and Light), lying about some miracle build and players playing only the shell of it. And, at the bottom of the barrel (looks over towards Caesar), Rapid Reality. These guys took pre-orders and never even produced a game. Heck, they went as far as to make a new company, release a game called Phylon (a butchered version of Endless Ages) and ripped off even more people with that endeavor.
I've seen liars (Turbine and SOE), I've seen crap (Mourning, D&L, Rapid Reality), Tasos/Aventurine has never reached the level that any of these companies have reached and yet you guys spit so much venom/crap towards Tasos and Aventurine, on the same level as those companies.
splat
Yeah, because EG never gives EA games low scores. Why in 2 minutes looking I couldn't find any such examples.
That's right... but only because EA would never release a game in such shit shape. They would have probably canned the game fairly early in it's development if they were publishing it.... since it is bad from the ground up. This game isn't unfinished, it's the product of ineptitude.
I think it's pretty funny that you are blaming the reviewer. Eurogamer has egg on their face.. come on. Outside of a handful of fanbots, everyone else who reads this review will agree with it, or simply take it a face value because it echoes so much of what they have already heard and seen about this game.
On the subject of tasos and server logs... why should we all start believing a known liar now? Tasos certainly has more incentive to be dishonest about this than the reviewer does.
What was your ingame retail or beta name?
splat
I'd point out at Paragus's blog on how to write an ACTUAL review.
This EG guy just said he couldnt figure how to interact with NPCs so he went 30 seconds out of town, got pwned by goblins, took 16 times as long to loot as a normal player (arthritis, maybe?) and he concluded the "review" with the journalistically proper troll warcry of "FANBOOOOYYZZZ!!!½"oneone"
There, I fit his whole "review" in one paragraph...I think 2 hours of time played is overstatement (again, if the reviewer doesnt suffer from serious case of arthritis)
Edit: and companies have every right to protect themselves against self-apparent libel.