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New rig, blue screen...
Purchased this, it's been about a week, was playing WoW and the game froze suddenly then the screen went buggy, and then blue screen. I only have 14days to return the system if there's a problem, and I didn't purchase the extended warrenty, I haven't fudged with this thing at all, no OC'ing or anything, with the exception of adding my old hard drive as a 2nd HD.
Should I be worried?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9180423&type=product&id=1218046802234
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That system has an ATI 4850 graphics card. Googling "ati 4850 wow blue screen" comes up with numerous reports of the same issue you are having.
It appears to be an issue in the drivers.
Did you go through and update all your drivers? Not sure how outdated the drivers the computer comes with are but you should get the Catalyst ones from AMD's site instead of using the Windows WHQL ones. Did you have any luck stepping up your fan speed on your 4850?
Also it sounds like you can set the fan speed in the newer Catalyst driver settings themselves instead of having to manually do it as in the older Catalyst drivers.
Sorry bro.... but i read this and your last post about temps.....First off i have never had a card go to 80c...that crazyness...I even OC my cards. Second... Driver issues with ATI are the main Reason i Stay Away from ATI. you have 14 days to Go back to nivida or go Nvidia. these ATI fans recomended you that PC hardware and So far you have had nothing but Problems Since.....
And where are they now? to help you.? he told you to set your fans @ 65% with 80 temps......? try 100% and deal with the noise.
this is why you find out what people are running, before you take there advice...most of the people on this forums "Copy and Paste" they know nothing more than what they have..(most likely a dell) they read ADs and hype and act like they know what there talking about. Even if ATi cards run hot 80c is horrid. I have my gtx 285 OC @ ; FTW and AOC or Crysis i max at 59c
Exsample: Noquarter, without a clue or the hardware, tells you to set your fans at a low speed. your cards are @ 80C under load. If you forced the speed of the fans at 65% and when the temps keep riseing on your card above 85c 90c + the fan will not keep up with the Temps (based of the other guy with thoses cards) and fry that card or at least blue screen.....BAD F'n advice that could have cost you that card, and a pain in the ass.
And Noquarter you didnt know they Had new Drivers? how can you run around here all day Giving out Advice and not know that...? Unless your useing some real out of date Hardware, and you could have not known. which either way gives you no right to give advice....man your really pissing me off.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
I have the latest ccc drives directly from ATI (AMD), and everything else is also up to date. The ccc shows the fan speed, but I don't see an option for changing the speed, ie increasing it.
I noticed that there are some weird sounds from time to time coming from the comp, not sure what's causing it though, also I had noticed that the card had sorta done this before, also while playing WoW it would freeze for like 20-30 sec as if the system had locked up, but then start playing again...
Regarding the GPU temp, I've been reading a lot of reviews and specs, and it seems that those temps are kinda the norm now... I don't understand it, but I guess that's just how it is.
You have to give more info on your system mate,It could be something as simple as you have 4gb RAM slots and you only have 3 filled...(not smart).
If you really want help in this forum give as much info as possible,include alll your system info and what you have added since etc..
From the limited info it could be the fact you have dodgey RAM,it could be you dont have the RAM slots filled >>as in in 1+3 or 2+4..this will cause your system to go into blue screen mode
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
The exact system specs are listed in the link I provided, aren't they?
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Processor
Intel® Core™ i7
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Processor Speed
2.66GHz
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Cache Memory
8MB on die Level 2
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System Memory (RAM)
4GB
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System Memory (RAM) Expandable To
12GB
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Type of Memory (RAM)
DDR3 SDRAM
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Hard Drive Type
SATA (7200 rpm)
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Hard Drive Size
640GB
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Graphics
ATI RADEON HD 4850
#
Video Memory
512MB
Yes they are...but I remember getting a pc sent to me without the HD attached...I was just asking about your RAM as this is a big problem if you are getting the blue screen.
For 1 simple thing check your memory slots..then go from there.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I would uninstall drivers then run a Driversweeper downloads.guru3d.com/Driver-Sweeper-beta-2.0.0-download-2186.html
and then reinstall a stable driver. Do alittle research and see what drivers are stable with WoW.(should be tons of info on 4850 and WoW)
If this doesn't work, It could be a hardware issue aswell. PSU, Ram, Mobo.
Check your Cpu and Video Card temperatures during gameplay. Try Coretemp for your cpu.
Also check each stick of ram. Turn off pc, unplug power cable, wait 1 minute or two, then take out a stick and test. Try this with each stick.
well the i7/ X58 Motherboard need 6 gigs of ram to run stable os that one issue right there
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
There's 4 gigs of ram, and they're all working fine, I hadn't heard that this set-up would need 6 gigs to run stable though. For some reason I get the feeling that this is more of a gpu issue versus ram...
before any of this Check you Memory Timings. you are running under 2 gigs of what you should have
Make sure that you are running the Same Volt and Timings as the memory states...
look this up online and check your bios.
I had the same problem out of the box with that Chip and WOW. i fixed my timings and no Problems.
If your Memory is "XMP" there mite be a Setting in your bios for this... I know there is one with the EVGA
If you want more hands on help you can go to my site and Get my teamspeak IP and hop on...otherwise it will take all night on these forums...Back and forth
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
before any of this Check you Memory Timings. you are running under 2 gigs of what you should have
Make sure that you are running the Same Volt and Timings as the memory states...
look this up online and check your bios.
I had the same problem out of the box with that Chip and WOW. i fixed my timings and no Problems.
If your Memory is "XMP" there mite be a Setting in your bios for this... I know there is one with the EVGA
If you want more hands on help you can go to my site and Get my teamspeak IP and hop on...otherwise it will take all night on these forums...Back and forth
Much appreciated, truth be told I've had kind of a rough day with work, I think I'll tackle this tomorrow, if needed and you're available I'll PM you and maybe we could set something up. Thanks again.
You have a computer with factory flashed BIOS and timing settings.
You are also experiencing a common issue with that chipset and WoW.
You have a discrete video card which is a chipset varient of the standard after market 4850.
This is an issue of a reasonable (although rather overpriced) computer setup which doesn't work ideally with a specific program and nothing more. Will the issue be resovled? Most likely, but if WoW is the make or break application for you then the short term answer is to return it and get a computer without that video card chipset.
***WARNING***
Before you go back to the store look up other otions they have online and google the model number as well as the graphics card model in combination with Vista and WoW.
You explicitly said you haven't modded OC'd or otherwise editted the system. The chances of memory timings or other modding related issues are beyond rare. Improperly seated installations whould not cause an intermittent issue with a single program.
Occam's razor. Known issue with graphic chipset and WoW with Vista. You have the chipset and WoW is the only program with an issue. The known problem is (by a huge margin) the most logical cause.
The fan speed control is in the Overdrive tab since Catalyst 8.10. You have to enable Overdrive but don't actually have to overclock it, and you'll get access to the fan speed control.
When you go into the Overdrive settings it will max out the GPU so you can see what temp the GPU will be at max load, then adjust the fan speed if you feel the need to make it higher than what it thinks it needs to spin at.
You've never seen a GPU at ~80C - if we go by this, then the fan speed algorithm is not working right and needs to be manually overridden since it's staying at 24%. If his fan is staying at 24% and is actually BSOD'ing because of heat then ramping up the fan is a solution.
However I wouldn't actually mess with the fan speed if you don't need to which is why we went over the fact that ~80C isn't uncommon on reference coolers if you look around, but if you do it properly it's not really a big deal and obviously testing was implied.
If I had a Dell I would know how recent the drivers they preload on the Dell he bought are. I've worked on Dell's, never bought one myself or for anyone I build computers for - so no, I don't know that they would load the ATI Catalyst driver package over the Windows WHQL certified driver on a midrange PC. And I don't understand the 'out of date hardware' accusation toward my lack of knowledge of Dell's shipped drivers - what's the correlation?
When you go into the Overdrive settings it will max out the GPU so you can see what temp the GPU will be at max load, then adjust the fan speed if you feel the need to make it higher than what it thinks it needs to spin at.
You've never seen a GPU at ~80C - if we go by this, then the fan speed algorithm is not working right and needs to be manually overridden since it's staying at 24%. If his fan is staying at 24% and is actually BSOD'ing because of heat then ramping up the fan is a solution.
However I wouldn't actually mess with the fan speed if you don't need to which is why we went over the fact that ~80C isn't uncommon on reference coolers if you look around, but if you do it properly it's not really a big deal and obviously testing was implied.
If I had a Dell I would know how recent the drivers they preload on the Dell he bought are. I've worked on Dell's, never bought one myself or for anyone I build computers for - so no, I don't know that they would load the ATI Catalyst driver package over the Windows WHQL certified driver on a midrange PC. And I don't understand the 'out of date hardware' accusation toward my lack of knowledge of Dell's shipped drivers - what's the correlation?
what's the correlation? well its you have know idea about anything you talk about...you "Copy and paste" from the internet
I dont care is NASA told you that your right. Unless you have had the "Tech" in front of you and have done all the tweaking that you state... then your Full of it. Post after post, you Paste all this Internet "Facts" not knowing if its the truth or BS...but you asume that its Truth..."Dont beleave what you see TV" works the same on the internet. You Say look all over the Web? Yea i did and i saw just as many people Cying about ATI overvolts and running high temps. So whats the real truth? Well i gues the best way to find out, would be to test it yourself......right....? But you think since you read shit ,that you can tell people about how to Run there Hardware...Never running it. Its almost a fact that you are running some old Desktop Rig....Fanboyin AMD/ATI Performance over Intel/Nvidia? yet from anyones point of view about Real HANDS ON KNOWLEDGE. you would not have a leg to stand on.
Yes in this post you didnt not pull the fanboy Card...but you gave advice that could have Ruined his Hardware...(Becuase you Googled it) thats BS when people need help they need Real Help....you googlin shit ( Something that thy can do by there self)
you waste their time and could fuck there shit up, with bad Advice. ( you might be right this time. But your gambling. and you got lucky.)
i wasnt stateing that you should know about Pre Loaded Drivers...I was stateing that the Newest DRIVERS for ATI have that feature. and if you are running you mouth about how good you are with Support and Hardware...How is it that you have not Installed the newest Drivers? someone on top of there game would have..Unless you didnt know since you dont have that Hardware. Or is cause you dont realy know shit about shit, until somone brings up a Problem and you Google it, do you stumble apon things?
Stop your crap.. this is people Money your playing with....are you so sure that your Advice is sound...(Or is it your Blind faith in the truthfullness of the internet?)
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Last time i've had a bsod reboot thing it was a bad memory chip. If it is, you'd have to get "memtest for windows" and test your memory.
Best thing is prolly to have it fixed by a professional or to have it exchanged.
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When you go into the Overdrive settings it will max out the GPU so you can see what temp the GPU will be at max load, then adjust the fan speed if you feel the need to make it higher than what it thinks it needs to spin at.
You've never seen a GPU at ~80C - if we go by this, then the fan speed algorithm is not working right and needs to be manually overridden since it's staying at 24%. If his fan is staying at 24% and is actually BSOD'ing because of heat then ramping up the fan is a solution.
However I wouldn't actually mess with the fan speed if you don't need to which is why we went over the fact that ~80C isn't uncommon on reference coolers if you look around, but if you do it properly it's not really a big deal and obviously testing was implied.
If I had a Dell I would know how recent the drivers they preload on the Dell he bought are. I've worked on Dell's, never bought one myself or for anyone I build computers for - so no, I don't know that they would load the ATI Catalyst driver package over the Windows WHQL certified driver on a midrange PC. And I don't understand the 'out of date hardware' accusation toward my lack of knowledge of Dell's shipped drivers - what's the correlation?
what's the correlation? well its you have know idea about anything you talk about...you "Copy and paste" from the internet
I dont care is NASA told you that your right. Unless you have had the "Tech" in front of you and have done all the tweaking that you state... then your Full of it. Post after post, you Paste all this Internet "Facts" not knowing if its the truth or BS...but you asume that its Truth..."Dont beleave what you see TV" works the same on the internet. You Say look all over the Web? Yea i did and i saw just as many people Cying about ATI overvolts and running high temps. So whats the real truth? Well i gues the best way to find out, would be to test it yourself......right....? But you think since you read shit ,that you can tell people about how to Run there Hardware...Never running it. Its almost a fact that you are running some old Desktop Rig....Fanboyin AMD/ATI Performance over Intel/Nvidia? yet from anyones point of view about Real HANDS ON KNOWLEDGE. you would not have a leg to stand on.
Yes in this post you didnt not pull the fanboy Card...but you gave advice that could have Ruined his Hardware...(Becuase you Googled it) thats BS when people need help they need Real Help....you googlin shit ( Something that thy can do by there self)
you waste their time and could fuck there shit up, with bad Advice. ( you might be right this time. But your gambling. and you got lucky.)
i wasnt stateing that you should know about Pre Loaded Drivers...I was stateing that the Newest DRIVERS for ATI have that feature. and if you are running you mouth about how good you are with Support and Hardware...How is it that you have not Installed the newest Drivers? someone on top of there game would have..Unless you didnt know since you dont have that Hardware. Or is cause you dont realy know shit about shit, until somone brings up a Problem and you Google it, do you stumble apon things?
Stop your crap.. this is people Money your playing with....are you so sure that your Advice is sound...(Or is it your Blind faith in the truthfullness of the internet?)
Wow, that whole post had no conclusion, or any point lol!
Anyways, if you say that the gpu temp is in its 80's I'd check the fan settings, cooling is the best things for computers, I think it would be more graphics problem because of the fact you say the screen goes funny before blue screening. Blue screens can mean anything, do you know the error message of the blue screen, as that will tell you if its a certain driver file or a special code that you could type into MS's Knowledgebase and hopefully it will come up with the solution and point you in the right direction.
A stock computer shouldn't have problems, problems usally arise when people fiddle with things lol, at the end of the day a computer rarely goes wrong on its own.
Good luck, personally I'd put the fan up to 60/70% as NVidia had the same sort of problem with the 8800GT's and they locked up due to overheating, but that didn't produce a blue screen.
Update: I went out and picked up a nice PS (650W) and also 6 gigs of DDR3 @ 1600MHz, the comp is blazing fast now, I mean it's FAST, but WoW is still jerky and staggering.
I thought since the stock PS (350W) wasn't enough that a new PS (4850 requires 450W) would do the trick, I also thought the ram would be a lot better than the cruddy stock ram the comp came with, and sure enough the stock ram was total garbage and didn't meet the minumum specs for the i7.
So I don't know if the GPU is fried from the few days I ran it hard with the stock stuff, or if it's just the way it runs, I did try Oblivion again on Max, it looks amazing and runs really well, but it's also a tad jerky at times.
I failed to mention that my monitor has a 60Hz refresh rate and 5ms, don't know if that has anything to do with this, it's a Dell LCD.
I would like to keep this comp at this point, and I'd like to make that freaking GPU work if possible, so if someone has a clean solution, and simple since I'm no genius when it comes to comps, I'd really appreciate it.
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
whats the price on that card you have.... pick up a GTX 260 or 285 you can go wrong.....
I just added another gtx 285 and i doubled everyhting
so my new rig (alot of your same hardware
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock IN SLI (Just added the second one)
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
(Vantage P 26,008)
Running Crysis MAX AA veryhigh @ 50~60 Frames
AOC - MAX AA DX10 ~ 60FPS
WOW- MAX AA MAX 60FPS
BF MAX AA (Project realtiy) 60FPS
Grid MAX AA 40~60 Frames
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
whats the price on that card you have.... pick up a GTX 260 or 285 you can go wrong.....
I just added another gtx 285 and i doubled everyhting
so my new rig (alot of your same hardware
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock IN SLI (Just added the second one)
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
(Vantage P 26,008)
Running Crysis MAX AA veryhigh @ 50~60 Frames
AOC - MAX AA DX10 ~ 60FPS
WOW- MAX AA MAX 60FPS
BF MAX AA (Project realtiy) 60FPS
Grid MAX AA 40~60 Frames
Well first off, didn't he say it's a chip set issue, which I don't understand what he's reffering to, the chipset of the GPU or the mobo, if the mobo is the reason all of this is going on then I'm screwed, if it's the GPU and it's just the way the damn thing runs, then I'll have to live with that for a little while I guess.
I'd prefer not to spen anymore money on this for a while if it can be helped, I just don't understand why all of the sudden WoW has become such a resouce hog, my previous rig was running everything on max and getting excellent FPS on an x1900xtx, until they dumped patch 3.1, then it all started to go down hill...
The 4850 should be a good card right, it should run most games very well shouldn't it? I should be doing better than an average of 15fps in WoW right!?
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
whats the price on that card you have.... pick up a GTX 260 or 285 you can go wrong.....
I just added another gtx 285 and i doubled everyhting
so my new rig (alot of your same hardware
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock IN SLI (Just added the second one)
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
(Vantage P 26,008)
Running Crysis MAX AA veryhigh @ 50~60 Frames
AOC - MAX AA DX10 ~ 60FPS
WOW- MAX AA MAX 60FPS
BF MAX AA (Project realtiy) 60FPS
Grid MAX AA 40~60 Frames
Well first off, didn't he say it's a chip set issue, which I don't understand what he's reffering to, the chipset of the GPU or the mobo, if the mobo is the reason all of this is going on then I'm screwed, if it's the GPU and it's just the way the damn thing runs, then I'll have to live with that for a little while I guess.
I'd prefer not to spen anymore money on this for a while if it can be helped, I just don't understand why all of the sudden WoW has become such a resouce hog, my previous rig was running everything on max and getting excellent FPS on an x1900xtx, until they dumped patch 3.1, then it all started to go down hill...
The 4850 should be a good card right, it should run most games very well shouldn't it? I should be doing better than an average of 15fps in WoW right!?
well it "could" be a chip Set problem. But i have the Same MB with that Chipset and i have NO problems with WOW
So there is a bunch of troubleshooting that can be done
if you dont go through each one, you could have missed one simple thing, that could be messing with your Rig
First CHECK your memory Timings and mare sure thet are at Factory. (i told you before that i had the same Problem with WOW and my timmings were off. with that Setup )
Next Check your Drivers for the MB, GPU, Sound, Make Sure there up to date. ( I got a Bluescreen in wow with an out of date Sound driver)
Then Check your BIOS ( there are New ones for the X58)
Check All the Fans and Memory make Sure they Are Seated and Running.
IF you need to reinstall Sound, Or Video Drivers use the DriverSweaper Method. (if not you will just install a new driver over a old one, Causeing Problems. (most problems People have with Blue Screens, Are Sound ,GPU , problems with Drivers.
You said you got a new Power supply? then Check your Connections
Also The problem with Pre Built Rigs, is they install them with Bloatware. they install Shit tonz of drivers for shit you may not have... most people will have problems with Pre builts if they Add there own Hardwear. (even if you dont)
All else fails, you could just put it all back in the box and get a new one... they will take it.
A buddy of mine got that I7 Gateway from bestbuy a week ago. he opend it up and called me.
I told him that he should take it back and i would build him one with BETTER Hardwear manufacturing. like (EVGA)
he was worried about that Rig already installed with his games....(they took it back...NP)
There is no way you should be Getting 16 FPS in WOW unless something is fucked....and its not the Chip Set. Unless the Noname MB that comes with Dells.. has bad BIOS (and that makes it the companys fualt not the Intels. the EVGA Runns fine MORE THAN Fine)
MORE TIMES THEY NONE in the world of PC's they Come DOA we all deal with it. it sucks! i have got 2 and 3 DOA's in a row it happens.
With that Rig (Better manufacturing) was able to OC my Chip in that board to 4.2 gigs on air with my Memory @ 1600 Stable with Prime95 for 24 hours.
the only thing in your rig that i do not have is a ATI card. I have had 3 Nvidia Cards in this setup and No problems.
So Try thoses few things and Post again.
PS MAKE SURE YOU USE THE DRIVER SWEAPER MEATHOD FOR AT LEASE THE SOUND DRIVER.....(PS when you runn Driversweaper... Check to See if there is an Nvidia Driver as well. I wonder if dell was an asshole and installed both drivers just in case. mostlikey not.
i Will be on Teamspeak around 9~10 EST tonight if you want help with all this
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
whats the price on that card you have.... pick up a GTX 260 or 285 you can go wrong.....
I just added another gtx 285 and i doubled everyhting
so my new rig (alot of your same hardware
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock IN SLI (Just added the second one)
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
(Vantage P 26,008)
Running Crysis MAX AA veryhigh @ 50~60 Frames
AOC - MAX AA DX10 ~ 60FPS
WOW- MAX AA MAX 60FPS
BF MAX AA (Project realtiy) 60FPS
Grid MAX AA 40~60 Frames
Well first off, didn't he say it's a chip set issue, which I don't understand what he's reffering to, the chipset of the GPU or the mobo, if the mobo is the reason all of this is going on then I'm screwed, if it's the GPU and it's just the way the damn thing runs, then I'll have to live with that for a little while I guess.
I'd prefer not to spen anymore money on this for a while if it can be helped, I just don't understand why all of the sudden WoW has become such a resouce hog, my previous rig was running everything on max and getting excellent FPS on an x1900xtx, until they dumped patch 3.1, then it all started to go down hill...
The 4850 should be a good card right, it should run most games very well shouldn't it? I should be doing better than an average of 15fps in WoW right!?
well it "could" be a chip Set problem. But i have the Same MB with that Chipset and i have NO problems with WOW
So there is a bunch of troubleshooting that can be done
if you dont go through each one, you could have missed one simple thing, that could be messing with your Rig
First CHECK your memory Timings and mare sure thet are at Factory. (i told you before that i had the same Problem with WOW and my timmings were off. with that Setup )
Next Check your Drivers for the MB, GPU, Sound, Make Sure there up to date. ( I got a Bluescreen in wow with an out of date Sound driver)
Then Check your BIOS ( there are New ones for the X58)
Check All the Fans and Memory make Sure they Are Seated and Running.
IF you need to reinstall Sound, Or Video Drivers use the DriverSweaper Method. (if not you will just install a new driver over a old one, Causeing Problems. (most problems People have with Blue Screens, Are Sound ,GPU , problems with Drivers.
You said you got a new Power supply? then Check your Connections
Also The problem with Pre Built Rigs, is they install them with Bloatware. they install Shit tonz of drivers for shit you may not have... most people will have problems with Pre builts if they Add there own Hardwear. (even if you dont)
All else fails, you could just put it all back in the box and get a new one... they will take it.
A buddy of mine got that I7 Gateway from bestbuy a week ago. he opend it up and called me.
I told him that he should take it back and i would build him one with BETTER Hardwear manufacturing. like (EVGA)
he was worried about that Rig already installed with his games....(they took it back...NP)
There is no way you should be Getting 16 FPS in WOW unless something is fucked....and its not the Chip Set. Unless the Noname MB that comes with Dells.. has bad BIOS (and that makes it the companys fualt not the Intels. the EVGA Runns fine MORE THAN Fine)
MORE TIMES THEY NONE in the world of PC's they Come DOA we all deal with it. it sucks! i have got 2 and 3 DOA's in a row it happens.
With that Rig (Better manufacturing) was able to OC my Chip in that board to 4.2 gigs on air with my Memory @ 1600 Stable with Prime95 for 24 hours.
the only thing in your rig that i do not have is a ATI card. I have had 3 Nvidia Cards in this setup and No problems.
So Try thoses few things and Post again.
PS MAKE SURE YOU USE THE DRIVER SWEAPER MEATHOD FOR AT LEASE THE SOUND DRIVER.....(PS when you runn Driversweaper... Check to See if there is an Nvidia Driver as well. I wonder if dell was an asshole and installed both drivers just in case. mostlikey not.
i Will be on Teamspeak around 9~10 EST tonight if you want help with all this
Dread, I appreciate all of your help btw, thanks again.
In your opinion could the 4850 or the generic mobo be the problem in this system? For some reason the 4850 seems to be a little lame compared to the images of the card that I've seen on new egg, etc...
Btw, the PS isn't the problem from what I can tell, I was having these same issues prior to installing the PS.
I noticed that I could get a really epic rig from Ibuypower for even less then what I spent here, cheaper than newegg even, what's the deal with them?
PS I don't have teamspeak, but I have vent, which timezone are you in and would you be willing to chat on vent?
Is there anything you can suggest to make this work as is (with the upgrades I added in mind), without having to dump the GPU or the whole comp?
whats the price on that card you have.... pick up a GTX 260 or 285 you can go wrong.....
I just added another gtx 285 and i doubled everyhting
so my new rig (alot of your same hardware
Antec 1200 full tower
i7 920 0C @ 4.2 on air
Coolmaster V8 CPU cooler
EVGA x58 SLI MB
Corsair DDR3 6 gigs 1600 9.9.9:24 1T
EVGA GTX 285 Stock IN SLI (Just added the second one)
WD Raptor X 150gig X2 Raid 0
Corsiar h1000watt PSU
Smasung 26 inch LCD syncmaster 1900x1200
Wacom Cintq 21 inch digtal art monitor
logitech G15 keayboard
logitech MX laser mouse
logitech 5.1suround
(Vantage P 26,008)
Running Crysis MAX AA veryhigh @ 50~60 Frames
AOC - MAX AA DX10 ~ 60FPS
WOW- MAX AA MAX 60FPS
BF MAX AA (Project realtiy) 60FPS
Grid MAX AA 40~60 Frames
Well first off, didn't he say it's a chip set issue, which I don't understand what he's reffering to, the chipset of the GPU or the mobo, if the mobo is the reason all of this is going on then I'm screwed, if it's the GPU and it's just the way the damn thing runs, then I'll have to live with that for a little while I guess.
I'd prefer not to spen anymore money on this for a while if it can be helped, I just don't understand why all of the sudden WoW has become such a resouce hog, my previous rig was running everything on max and getting excellent FPS on an x1900xtx, until they dumped patch 3.1, then it all started to go down hill...
The 4850 should be a good card right, it should run most games very well shouldn't it? I should be doing better than an average of 15fps in WoW right!?
well it "could" be a chip Set problem. But i have the Same MB with that Chipset and i have NO problems with WOW
So there is a bunch of troubleshooting that can be done
if you dont go through each one, you could have missed one simple thing, that could be messing with your Rig
First CHECK your memory Timings and mare sure thet are at Factory. (i told you before that i had the same Problem with WOW and my timmings were off. with that Setup )
Next Check your Drivers for the MB, GPU, Sound, Make Sure there up to date. ( I got a Bluescreen in wow with an out of date Sound driver)
Then Check your BIOS ( there are New ones for the X58)
Check All the Fans and Memory make Sure they Are Seated and Running.
IF you need to reinstall Sound, Or Video Drivers use the DriverSweaper Method. (if not you will just install a new driver over a old one, Causeing Problems. (most problems People have with Blue Screens, Are Sound ,GPU , problems with Drivers.
You said you got a new Power supply? then Check your Connections
Also The problem with Pre Built Rigs, is they install them with Bloatware. they install Shit tonz of drivers for shit you may not have... most people will have problems with Pre builts if they Add there own Hardwear. (even if you dont)
All else fails, you could just put it all back in the box and get a new one... they will take it.
A buddy of mine got that I7 Gateway from bestbuy a week ago. he opend it up and called me.
I told him that he should take it back and i would build him one with BETTER Hardwear manufacturing. like (EVGA)
he was worried about that Rig already installed with his games....(they took it back...NP)
There is no way you should be Getting 16 FPS in WOW unless something is fucked....and its not the Chip Set. Unless the Noname MB that comes with Dells.. has bad BIOS (and that makes it the companys fualt not the Intels. the EVGA Runns fine MORE THAN Fine)
MORE TIMES THEY NONE in the world of PC's they Come DOA we all deal with it. it sucks! i have got 2 and 3 DOA's in a row it happens.
With that Rig (Better manufacturing) was able to OC my Chip in that board to 4.2 gigs on air with my Memory @ 1600 Stable with Prime95 for 24 hours.
the only thing in your rig that i do not have is a ATI card. I have had 3 Nvidia Cards in this setup and No problems.
So Try thoses few things and Post again.
PS MAKE SURE YOU USE THE DRIVER SWEAPER MEATHOD FOR AT LEASE THE SOUND DRIVER.....(PS when you runn Driversweaper... Check to See if there is an Nvidia Driver as well. I wonder if dell was an asshole and installed both drivers just in case. mostlikey not.
i Will be on Teamspeak around 9~10 EST tonight if you want help with all this
Dread, I appreciate all of your help btw, thanks again.
In your opinion could the 4850 or the generic mobo be the problem in this system? For some reason the 4850 seems to be a little lame compared to the images of the card that I've seen on new egg, etc...
Btw, the PS isn't the problem from what I can tell, I was having these same issues prior to installing the PS.
I noticed that I could get a really epic rig from Ibuypower for even less then what I spent here, cheaper than newegg even, what's the deal with them?
PS I don't have teamspeak, but I have vent, which timezone are you in and would you be willing to chat on vent?
well it will be easier for you to DL teamspeak and run it, than it would be for me to run Vent....Last time i tryied to run vent was like 4 years ago.
There is a reason why you pay less for a generic Hardware. its cheap and made that way.
ATI has Cronic Driver problems...you wont see many people bitching about it cause they Are defending there Purchase.
Ii can not say if its a ATI problem that you are having...But what i can do IS rule out everything but it...
IF we get to the point that it still does not work...then i would say you either have DOA hardwear or a Shit driver for ATI.
IF want to build your own PC you will save the money for better Manf.
If you can get TS i could walk you through the Trouble Shooting or the Build... Trying to do this through a forums is just too hard.
I have 6 Techs in my gaming clan ATI and NVIDIA. if we cant make your shit work, it must be broke...lol
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Is the freezing only happen while playing WOW or does it happen when playing any other game? since you have tried another psu and RAM that could mean its a simple software problem.