There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Tykero and Gameloading....... If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same. Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think. The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution. And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests. They point directly to the Bible. I didn't believe either for a very long time. I constantly questioned the existence of God. The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God? It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos. I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me". What I found was surprising. I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time. Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said. Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. That is what those videos did for me.
So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine. It's only fair.
I hope you're joking.
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic. A very substantial portion of his argument is completely based upon argument from ignorance. "Well, so science doesn't know this or that yet, but the bible says this, so the bible must be true."
There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.
Edit: There is no global conspiracy amongst scientists to brainwash everybody into believing in evolution.
Macroevolution is a direct result of microevolution. Even the slightest comprehension of genetic biology reveals why this is true.
The concepts of genetic biology (evolution) are applied daily to catch criminals (dna), determine paternity, diagnose diseases and disorders, track families, and more.
But, of course, when it comes to learning about the development of life on Earth, it's suddenly a gigantic conspiracy and completely baseless.
Do you even realize how idiotic that is?
To state that there is no evidence for evolution is to affirm that you are completely blind.
The Bible is a marvelous work of fiction. There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
The Bible is a marvelous work of fiction. There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
No, but nature did.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell
How about we all agree to believe in the Quantum Physics many-worlds theory and then those who believe in god break off into a world where heaven does exist, and those who don't break off into a different world at death?
Just as some individuals today carry genes to produce descendants with different color hair and eyes, humanity's first parents, Adam and Eve, possessed genes to produce all the variety and races of men. You and I today may not carry the genes to produce every variety or race of humans, but humanity's first parents did possess such genes. The evidence from science shows that only microevolution (variations within a biological "kind" such as the varieties of dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.) is possible but not macroevolution (variations across biological "kinds", especially from simpler kinds to more complex ones). The only evolution that occurs in Nature is microevolution (or horizontal evolution) but not macroevolution (vertical evolution). The genetic ability for microevolution exists in Nature but not the genetic ability for macroevolution. The genes (chemical and genetic instructions or programs) for microevolution exist in every species but not the genes for macroevolution. Unless Nature has the intelligence and ability to perform genetic engineering (to construct entirely new genes and not just to produce variations and new combinations of already existing genes) then macroevolution will never be possible in Nature.
Tykero and Gameloading....... If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same. Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think. The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution. And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests. They point directly to the Bible. I didn't believe either for a very long time. I constantly questioned the existence of God. The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God? It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos. I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me". What I found was surprising. I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time. Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said. Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. That is what those videos did for me.
So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine. It's only fair.
I hope you're joking.
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic.
There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.
So can you explain to me how the Colorado River flowed UPHILL for millions of years to form the Grand Canyon? Yes, there are areas along southern part of the river that are HIGHER in elevation than the areas in the north.
Did you see the result of Mt. St. Helens? Mudslides cutting a CANYON miles long that strangely looks very similar to the grand canyon, in mere hours.
Once you consider the possibilities, you begin to question what was drilled into your head in high school. I've gone down your path for years, believing in this crap, and even trying to combine the theories of both. Believe me, I'm no bible thumper. I actually despise churches. However, I can't help but believe that what the Bible says is true.
And hell, one thing I still don't understand with you atheists....why wouldn't you "want" to believe? I mean, we're all going to die. One of us is wrong in our beliefs. But if I"m right, I'm going to to have an afterlife of hopefully bliss. But if you're right, you're gonna die, lights out, that's it. Nothing left. Why try so hard to get people to believe that when they die, that's all there is. Absolutely nothing.
Personally, I don't care who believes or who doesn't. No, I'm not a very good Christian, and I never claim to be. But I know how I would choose. If I'm wrong, then WTF did I lose?
Tykero and Gameloading....... If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same. Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think. The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution. And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests. They point directly to the Bible. I didn't believe either for a very long time. I constantly questioned the existence of God. The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God? It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos. I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me". What I found was surprising. I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time. Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said. Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. That is what those videos did for me.
So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine. It's only fair.
Wow, I went and watched the first video in the series with an open mind like I do everything. If this guy was a high school science teacher (which I highly doubt he was) he must have been the piss poorest one on the planet because all, not just some but ALL of his supposed science he uses to argue Evolution is way off or just plain made up. If this guy really did debate an educated Evolutionist he would get ripped apart on his facts alone. If this guy changed your mind about Evolution you must have not known a whole lot about it in the first place.
First off The Big Bang is NOT part of Evolutionary theory as he claims, they are two totally separate theories describing two totally different things. Also the universe has been accurately dated at 13.5 billion years old NOT 20 as he also claims. His arguments are the same old tired arguments that creationist have been using since Darwin first wrote The Origin of the Species. There is absolutely nothing special about this guy. He claims a lot and falls terribly short on all of it. Please don't try to temp people with this psuedo-science crap as it's just not even close to true science. It is always long on made up theories but very short on proof. What a load of BS!
Edit: Oh and the rubber band thing? It flies farther because stretching one side tighter then the other causes it to rotate during flight making it more stable. Not because of any of the BS he claims in this video. THAT is actual science.
Just to make sure, because I can already see it coming;
A 'theory' in science is very different from one in common speach. A scientific theory is a model of facts that has underwent a lot of scrutiny and peer review and are accurate and predictive, to keep it short and simple. It concerns itself only with facts. Also, the 'theory of evolution' does not concern itself with 'abiogensis', the origin of life on earth. Very different.
My stance on this is the following; normally, lesson material in books went through the proper 'scientific mill', and, if it passed through that after hundreds of scientists and non-scientists alike have tried everything to disprove it, it only then appears in books to be taught to children. Creationists here in the Netherlands however, claim to have a non-justifiable right to skip that entire process and are prepared to stomp their dogma into the minds of children with full-force. I feel this simply cannot be allowed. I do, however, feel there could definitely be a seperate class that could teach pupils all about areas such as philosophy and different (old and new) religions and faiths in a non-biased fashion. But in no circumstance, however, could and should they ever be taught as fact or alongside science lessons. Also, never should one religion or faith be biased in front of others in a state that claims to be secular, especially in public schools or any school, in whole or in part, funded by tax payers money.
Tykero and Gameloading....... If you insist that Outfctrl watch the videos in YOUR links, then I ask you to do the same. Watch the videos in MY link provided on page 2 I think. The SCIENCE discussed in those videos completely throws our your theories on macroevolution. And what's so facinating, are the results of the tests. They point directly to the Bible. I didn't believe either for a very long time. I constantly questioned the existence of God. The easiest way, was all the way back when I was 10, laying on a trampoline looking up at the stars, and asked myself....who created God? It wasn't until I was in my mid twenties that I stumbled across these videos. I began watcing the first, thinking it was some crap my family was trying to get me to watch to "save me". What I found was surprising. I had been taking a scientific approach at all the religious crap I was fed all my life, BUT, I was having to add evolution into the factor every time. Nothing made sense about religion, nor what the Bible said. Once you begin to realize that the theory of evolution (macroevolution) is a complete pile of crap, and start to JUST CONSIDER that what the Bible says MIGHT be true, then you can open your eyes, and everything begins to make sense. That is what those videos did for me.
So please, if you must insist that Ourfctrl watch your videos, then I must insist you watch mine. It's only fair.
I hope you're joking.
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic. There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.
So can you explain to me how the Colorado River flowed UPHILL for millions of years to form the Grand Canyon? Yes, there are areas along southern part of the river that are HIGHER in elevation than the areas in the north. Did you see the result of Mt. St. Helens? Mudslides cutting a CANYON miles long that strangely looks very similar to the grand canyon, in mere hours.
And hell, one thing I still don't understand with you atheists....why wouldn't you "want" to believe? I mean, we're all going to die. One of us is wrong in our beliefs. But if I"m right, I'm going to to have an afterlife of hopefully bliss. But if you're right, you're gonna die, lights out, that's it. Nothing left. Why try so hard to get people to believe that when they die, that's all there is. Absolutely nothing. Personally, I don't care who believes or who doesn't. No, I'm not a very good Christian, and I never claim to be. But I know how I would choose. If I'm wrong, then WTF did I lose?
Reality tends to not be friendly and cuddly. I'm not too keen on believing something just because it sounds nice.
Further, the dogmatic religious are constantly on the front line for destroying scientific advancement, denying human rights, and overall hampering the advancement of humanity in general. I look forward to the day that we, as a race, grow out of depending on myth to give us answers and comfort.
Either way, intelligent design or creationism are not science, not even to the person who believes in them. They are theology either way.
A theistic scientific person seeks to discover HOW God made the cool stuff he made, and the other notions, the theistic metaphysical ones like the patterns and designs that apear in the universe and its laws that lebnd to the notion that is just as consistent with trheir being a diety as there not be one. It is that little piece of apologetics taht says...hmm there could be a God.
It uses science and its discoveries in the search for the divine. It in no way is a substitutute for the science itself, which is another discipline entirelely.
One is the How (science). The other is the WHY (theology).
Both are a great time, but they really don't belong in the same class, except of course THIS discussion, science and religion or faith, that can sorta come up conversationally in both science and religion class.
Adam just means "the man" or "mankind." The whole story is VERY metaphorical and of the style of literature that at the time it originated was NOT meant to be literal. The people of Moses understood metaphor quite well.
It also is not the science of how Adam came to be adam and how many adams there were running around and how nekked they were or were not when cain and abel had their issues. Either way people have been "knowing" each other, rebelling against the goodness within them (that is to say God's goodness revealed), and killing their brothers since the beginning.
Better to tell the story of man as the family of man, the children of God. This is how I reconcile the story and style of genesis with its message. IT doesn't contradict science becuase it has nothing to DO with science, well, except using science in evil, corupt, ungodly ways leads to death destruction, perdition and the like, and that of course belongs in scientific ethics classes, or an ethics of science unit in regular science class.
It's still not science though, and when I see my dear brothers and sisters being so weak in their faith that they need to force it into places it need not be, well then I just say shame on you. I bet Jesus would be pissed at this use of government force. That's just my opinion on what the Lord said and did and how it reflects itself in us behaving as voters in a political entity.
But this statement is true: Science cannot prove we're here by creation, but neither can science prove we're here by chance or macro-evolution. No one has observed either. They are both accepted on faith. The issue is which faith, Darwinian macro-evolutionary theory or creation, has better scientific support.
That is true. Evolution is a very very deceptive word. But you are right. There is no proof of macro-evolution. It has not been obsereved, tested nor repeated. Don't let any science person decieve you. It's a theory. If it was proof, it would not be called a theory. If evolutionists want to say the evolution theory is true, you can also say thet 9/11 theory is true as well because it's the same concept..
Theres no point in even arguing. There is so much more evidence supporting evolution over creationism, especially since creationism relies on belief in a supernatural power. Those who believe in creationism will get left back, while the rest advance on.
What do I care, it's natural selection at it's finest.
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
The Bible is a marvelous work of fiction. There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
How does that sound like I am acting as though I was there? I would never presume to be so knowledgable. Therefore, I have to rely on eyewitness accounts.
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a mearsuring line across it?...Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth. Tell me if you know all this." Job 38:4-5, 18
Theres no point in even arguing. There is so much more evidence supporting evolution over creationism, especially since creationism relies on belief in a supernatural power. Those who believe in creationism will get left back, while the rest advance on.
What do I care, it's natural selection at it's finest.
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
Oh joy, circular logic.
Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.
Religious propaganda trying to force its way into mainstream science and public schools.
Evolution has already. Public schools are forced to believe evolution to be true.
Except how did evolution force its way in? Oh, that's right by rigorous study under intense scientific study and research that is still going on today.
How did creationism? Through law because it can't hold up under the same processes that evolution went through and is constantly going through.
Debating scientific theories does not happen at the high school level, it just simply is not the place to do it as no student, nor most high school science teachers have the qualifications to make such arguements. Instead it goes on at the forefront of scientific research and what is taught in high school is merely a reflection of what that research has gleaned. That's how they force things like evolution into the public school system and that's how it should be forced in, not through a school board, not through a judge, and definately not through the law.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?
Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
Even though I am a Christian, I do have some reservations about the Adam and Eve Theory, but I do lean toward Intelligent Design. Some higher being put all this into motion whether you call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". Life is so complicated that the chance it "JUST" happened is too astronomical. The article I referenced to, really makes allot of sense to me. You just cant blow it off, since Evolution is a theory also. There is no positive proof either way. It all boils down to "FAITH"
If you are a Christian you don't have say "Some higher being put all this into motion whether you call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". Well Chrstians believe in one God and Jesus Christ. Stand by your belief if you claim your a Christian. And yes it does matter, because of those examples you listed they all can't be either or. It has to be one. Yes you are right it is all about faith. That is the key. A good though provoking post. As a Christian to another Christian, are you a Christian or a Catholic? I ask because there is a fine line. And there is one verse in the bible that supports that fine line.
Theres no point in even arguing. There is so much more evidence supporting evolution over creationism, especially since creationism relies on belief in a supernatural power. Those who believe in creationism will get left back, while the rest advance on.
What do I care, it's natural selection at it's finest.
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
Oh joy, circular logic.
Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.
The Bible is a marvelous work of fiction. There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
How does that sound like I am acting as though I was there? I would never presume to be so knowledgable. Therefore, I have to rely on eyewitness accounts.
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a mearsuring line across it?...Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth. Tell me if you know all this." Job 38:4-5, 18
Good quote with verse. He also tells us that there were underwater springs in the oceans as well. I don't remember the verse numbers tho =(
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?
They're as much a cultural thing as they are a religious thing.
You used a computer, the product of the science you so blindly reject, to post that. Isn't that a little hypercritical(sic).
Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
You sure seem to think you know everything.
No, you see, as a rational person, I do not claim to know everything.
I don't deny the possibility of a supernatural being. I simply see no reason to believe in one now. As we learn more about the world, the supposed influence of gods decreases. Ponder on that a bit.
Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
To all you Christian creationists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say there is a giant, fat blob of unicorn guts with gnomes in it out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell
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The Bible is a marvelous work of fiction.
There was no Adam, there was no Eve, there was no Garden of Eden and there is no God.
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
I hope you're joking.
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic. A very substantial portion of his argument is completely based upon argument from ignorance. "Well, so science doesn't know this or that yet, but the bible says this, so the bible must be true."
There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the biblical flood myth is just that -- a myth.
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.
Edit: There is no global conspiracy amongst scientists to brainwash everybody into believing in evolution.
Macroevolution is a direct result of microevolution. Even the slightest comprehension of genetic biology reveals why this is true.
The concepts of genetic biology (evolution) are applied daily to catch criminals (dna), determine paternity, diagnose diseases and disorders, track families, and more.
But, of course, when it comes to learning about the development of life on Earth, it's suddenly a gigantic conspiracy and completely baseless.
Do you even realize how idiotic that is?
To state that there is no evidence for evolution is to affirm that you are completely blind.
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Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
So I started to walk into the water. I won't lie to you boys...I was terrified. But I pressed on, and as I made my way past the breakers, a strange calm came over me. I don't know if it was divine intervention or the kinship of all living things, but I tell you, Jerry, at that moment ... I was a marine biologist.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
No, but nature did.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell
How about we all agree to believe in the Quantum Physics many-worlds theory and then those who believe in god break off into a world where heaven does exist, and those who don't break off into a different world at death?
Did you also notice the other articles on that site?
world collapse in 2010
Yeti female seduces guys
People shooting laser beams from their eyes and killing people/animals
Yup.. thats a legitimate source of information you got there outofctrl...
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I hope you're joking.
Those videos are a complete load of bullocks. As is common with these things, it's a lot of unsubstantiated statements, plain lies, and poor logic.
There is no science in completely disregarding evidence just because you feel like it, and instead supplementing your own unsubstantiated hypotheses because they sound better to you due to your religious background. Sorry.
Also, I hate to burst your bubble, but the biblical flood myth is just that -- a myth.
The man is a nice speaker, but he is no scientist.
So can you explain to me how the Colorado River flowed UPHILL for millions of years to form the Grand Canyon? Yes, there are areas along southern part of the river that are HIGHER in elevation than the areas in the north.
Did you see the result of Mt. St. Helens? Mudslides cutting a CANYON miles long that strangely looks very similar to the grand canyon, in mere hours.
Once you consider the possibilities, you begin to question what was drilled into your head in high school. I've gone down your path for years, believing in this crap, and even trying to combine the theories of both. Believe me, I'm no bible thumper. I actually despise churches. However, I can't help but believe that what the Bible says is true.
And hell, one thing I still don't understand with you atheists....why wouldn't you "want" to believe? I mean, we're all going to die. One of us is wrong in our beliefs. But if I"m right, I'm going to to have an afterlife of hopefully bliss. But if you're right, you're gonna die, lights out, that's it. Nothing left. Why try so hard to get people to believe that when they die, that's all there is. Absolutely nothing.
Personally, I don't care who believes or who doesn't. No, I'm not a very good Christian, and I never claim to be. But I know how I would choose. If I'm wrong, then WTF did I lose?
Wow, I went and watched the first video in the series with an open mind like I do everything. If this guy was a high school science teacher (which I highly doubt he was) he must have been the piss poorest one on the planet because all, not just some but ALL of his supposed science he uses to argue Evolution is way off or just plain made up. If this guy really did debate an educated Evolutionist he would get ripped apart on his facts alone. If this guy changed your mind about Evolution you must have not known a whole lot about it in the first place.
First off The Big Bang is NOT part of Evolutionary theory as he claims, they are two totally separate theories describing two totally different things. Also the universe has been accurately dated at 13.5 billion years old NOT 20 as he also claims. His arguments are the same old tired arguments that creationist have been using since Darwin first wrote The Origin of the Species. There is absolutely nothing special about this guy. He claims a lot and falls terribly short on all of it. Please don't try to temp people with this psuedo-science crap as it's just not even close to true science. It is always long on made up theories but very short on proof. What a load of BS!
Edit: Oh and the rubber band thing? It flies farther because stretching one side tighter then the other causes it to rotate during flight making it more stable. Not because of any of the BS he claims in this video. THAT is actual science.
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[quote]Originally posted by Vhayne
Well congratulations. Not only are you clueless about biology, you're completely in the dark when it comes to geology as well.As much as I hate constantly linking Wikipedia, it's the easiest way to deal with this rubbish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Grand_Canyon_area#Creation_of_the_Grand_Canyon
Reality tends to not be friendly and cuddly.I'm not too keen on believing something just because it sounds nice.
Further, the dogmatic religious are constantly on the front line for destroying scientific advancement, denying human rights, and overall hampering the advancement of humanity in general. I look forward to the day that we, as a race, grow out of depending on myth to give us answers and comfort.
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Either way, intelligent design or creationism are not science, not even to the person who believes in them. They are theology either way.
A theistic scientific person seeks to discover HOW God made the cool stuff he made, and the other notions, the theistic metaphysical ones like the patterns and designs that apear in the universe and its laws that lebnd to the notion that is just as consistent with trheir being a diety as there not be one. It is that little piece of apologetics taht says...hmm there could be a God.
It uses science and its discoveries in the search for the divine. It in no way is a substitutute for the science itself, which is another discipline entirelely.
One is the How (science). The other is the WHY (theology).
Both are a great time, but they really don't belong in the same class, except of course THIS discussion, science and religion or faith, that can sorta come up conversationally in both science and religion class.
Adam just means "the man" or "mankind." The whole story is VERY metaphorical and of the style of literature that at the time it originated was NOT meant to be literal. The people of Moses understood metaphor quite well.
It also is not the science of how Adam came to be adam and how many adams there were running around and how nekked they were or were not when cain and abel had their issues. Either way people have been "knowing" each other, rebelling against the goodness within them (that is to say God's goodness revealed), and killing their brothers since the beginning.
Better to tell the story of man as the family of man, the children of God. This is how I reconcile the story and style of genesis with its message. IT doesn't contradict science becuase it has nothing to DO with science, well, except using science in evil, corupt, ungodly ways leads to death destruction, perdition and the like, and that of course belongs in scientific ethics classes, or an ethics of science unit in regular science class.
It's still not science though, and when I see my dear brothers and sisters being so weak in their faith that they need to force it into places it need not be, well then I just say shame on you. I bet Jesus would be pissed at this use of government force. That's just my opinion on what the Lord said and did and how it reflects itself in us behaving as voters in a political entity.
That's not science either
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That is true. Evolution is a very very deceptive word. But you are right. There is no proof of macro-evolution. It has not been obsereved, tested nor repeated. Don't let any science person decieve you. It's a theory. If it was proof, it would not be called a theory. If evolutionists want to say the evolution theory is true, you can also say thet 9/11 theory is true as well because it's the same concept..
Evolution has already. Public schools are forced to believe evolution to be true.
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
How does that sound like I am acting as though I was there? I would never presume to be so knowledgable. Therefore, I have to rely on eyewitness accounts.
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a mearsuring line across it?...Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth. Tell me if you know all this." Job 38:4-5, 18
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
Oh joy, circular logic.
Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution
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Evolution has already. Public schools are forced to believe evolution to be true.
Except how did evolution force its way in? Oh, that's right by rigorous study under intense scientific study and research that is still going on today.
How did creationism? Through law because it can't hold up under the same processes that evolution went through and is constantly going through.
Debating scientific theories does not happen at the high school level, it just simply is not the place to do it as no student, nor most high school science teachers have the qualifications to make such arguements. Instead it goes on at the forefront of scientific research and what is taught in high school is merely a reflection of what that research has gleaned. That's how they force things like evolution into the public school system and that's how it should be forced in, not through a school board, not through a judge, and definately not through the law.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell
I want to say two things here.
One, I have seen some people who posts on these boards and type of threads who claim they are atheists and then when someone goes away or something bad happens in that nature they say stuff like, "i am praying for you" or "Godspeed" ect. Just a little hypercritical?
Second, to all atheists/evolutionists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say that there is a God out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
If you are a Christian you don't have say "Some higher being put all this into motion whether you call him God, Allah or for some of you "The Spaghetti Monster". Well Chrstians believe in one God and Jesus Christ. Stand by your belief if you claim your a Christian. And yes it does matter, because of those examples you listed they all can't be either or. It has to be one. Yes you are right it is all about faith. That is the key. A good though provoking post. As a Christian to another Christian, are you a Christian or a Catholic? I ask because there is a fine line. And there is one verse in the bible that supports that fine line.
Where is the evidence? Oh, are you going to start with well a million years ago? Yeah? Fairy tails start with a long long time ago. Give me 1 piece of physical evidence. Please? I mean, evolutionists are mainly athesits so they believe what they can see. I love how that is so counterdicting because they couldn't see a million years ago. They just use a method that was created by man who guessed and everyone goes along with it. You want proof that God is real? There is document proof of him. His name is Jesus. There is record of him. Man saw him in flesh form. Has man seen a human evolve? Ever? One time? No.
Oh joy, circular logic.
Here. Have a few pages worth of summarized proof for evolution, complete with cited sources.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_for_evolution
Yes sir it is circular reasoning? Why? Because it takes faith for both sides =D And really you're going to post something from wikipedia?
Sounds like you were there when it all happened. You didn't happen to take any pictures you can post, did you?
Sounds like you were there when it happened. YOU didn't happen to take any pictures YOU can post, did you?
How does that sound like I am acting as though I was there? I would never presume to be so knowledgable. Therefore, I have to rely on eyewitness accounts.
"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a mearsuring line across it?...Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth. Tell me if you know all this." Job 38:4-5, 18
Good quote with verse. He also tells us that there were underwater springs in the oceans as well. I don't remember the verse numbers tho =(
You used a computer, the product of the science you so blindly reject, to post that. Isn't that a little hypercritical(sic).
You sure seem to think you know everything.No, you see, as a rational person, I do not claim to know everything.
I don't deny the possibility of a supernatural being. I simply see no reason to believe in one now.
As we learn more about the world, the supposed influence of gods decreases.
Ponder on that a bit.
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To all you Christian creationists out there who are reading this read. I have a question for you. Do you know everything? If you say no, is it possible to say there is a giant, fat blob of unicorn guts with gnomes in it out there of where you don't know everything? Ponder on that a bit.
Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man. -- Bertrand Russell