lol Nice try.....you thought it was 4 GTX295s make a Quad SLI...lol you run around talking hardwear...and you know all about Tech???? you stated: "Thanks for the link... it's good to know that $2,116 worth of Nvidia cards (quad SLI) is the winner of that review, because I would hate to see a $299 offering do 70% of that.... Oh wait.... lol."
Gotta love fanbois who don't understand bang for the buck! (seeing that most of us upgrade every 10 months or so and not buy 4 video card all at once...lol)"
Anyone as far up on there game, as you claim to be... Would know that The GTX 295 Is a Dual GPU Card...lol your going to tel people the diffrence between hardwear, when you have now proven you dont know shit.. You have been following me around MMOrpg trying to Debunk me and now you F'd up your not sidestepping this one... dont even say that was a Typo!!.... you where adamint about how your point was going to stump us.... seeing how the Nvidia quad and the ATI quad are in the same price range, and the GTX 295's quad Performance is one card higher than the ATI quad there is now way this statement would have... No one would have acted that way... (unless you thought it was 4 GPUS x $500= $2116) And the GTX 295 is not $550 its below or higher than $550....But it is $529 which if you divide $2116 (which you posted divided by 4, which you thought.... is $529..... your a clown and full of shit.. and it took me 4 threads and 2 weeks to prove it, but the proof in now in front of everyones faces... take a walk punk....your nobody.. And dont know shit about Tech...your just another Google Copy and paste guy.
Dude, everyone and their grandmother knows the GTX295 is a dual GPU card. It part of Nvidia's comback in the price war, reducing the cost of their dual card designs. I can point you to many links discussing the pre-release from a months or two ago... if you would like.
As Tom's, Anadtech, Hard OCP and many other "notable" sites have all disected, discussed and benched it. Though, if you want to believe it wasn't a typo... then stroke your ego. Since, it seems like you need it.
pew pew
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
Shhhh.... don't say that too loud, pew pew boy might come and try and chastise you for not showing proof, etc. Plus, we don't need another illegable post from him, all that banter clogs up these threads.
Coincidentally, if you pose too tough of an arguement, you might confuse them. Because he doesn't understand anything other than what OverclockersClub says... yet most people shy away from that amature web site.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
first of all 1000 points in a 3dmark score is nothing..... You can go up and down 1000 just bye clearing your cash.....lol
And if you noticed the Benchmark they already stated that ATI in 3D mark was better.. oh but they are a bunch of lieing Nvidia fans...cause you an ATI fan...lol
And also...who the hell your 3dMark 06 anymore... that for DX9 cards.... Why dont you show me a 3d mark vantage Benchmark.. For DX 10 (thats what matters)
One after another the shitheads some out the bush...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
Shhhh.... don't say that too loud, pew pew boy might come and try and chastise you for not showing proof, etc. Plus, we don't need another illegable post from him, all that banter clogs up these threads.
Coincidentally, if you pose too tough of an arguement, you might confuse them. Because he doesn't understand anything other than what OverclockersClub says... yet most people shy away from that amature web site.
Smoke and mirrors....Didnt you get your beating.
A GTX 295 Quad SLI = 4 GTX 295's....lol that is funny...
I like your little Sidestep...
dont worry...everone can still see that shit
Did you just say confuse? Like your exp with hardwear....
Hey you two retards....Did you not see the disclamer at the bottom of my OP? Na you didnt read it... you were to busy blindly protecting ATi.
you all have any of this hardwear to even defend it...? I have SLI....what Cards you to donkeys useing?.... Oh right your looking up info on google. not any hands on exp...
And now its a pissing match on who's google info is better...
Your a bunch of clowns...
Anyways
Quad boy... Dont think that i wont follow you around these forums with that stupid statement
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
hey Overclocker.... even if you can overclock a GPU higher ....that does not mean its stable...(if you OCed you would know that people run the test and validate, then downclock ) Even if it was stable, that DOES not mean A OC card can out perform a Stock.....(it all depends)
Meaning A HD 4850 OC might not be better that a stock 285..... performance wise.
Try again ... this time back it with some real Exp with Hardwear.
Every website has sponsors..... I stated that i dont fully trust the site it could be bias. in the OP
But i said i have exp with alot of the cards in that benchmark. (including ATI) ..so i would back it.... Read before you speak. ATI card holder.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
Sorry, ATI are forward thinkers when it comes to Physics...
you might want to shut it down now, cause I will bust you uop and down with this vs's bull shit.
You will be lucky to see that in a 1 1/2 to 2 years from now...Good luck with that! Crossfire drivers SUCK and you want to add Physx on top of that, LOL.....
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
So i have Cryostasis.. (the most demanding. PyisX game to date...even though it need a patch.
So you saying basically that A core I7 can run PhysX better than a GPU?
well i just did a test .Here is what i did
I have a Core I7 @ 4.2, and two gtx 285's
I have Fraps to See FPS, Rivia Tuner to monitor GPU temp and E-leet tool to monitor CPU temp.
So with Max settings in Cryo. With Physics on and Adv PhysX enabled in game. And PhysX enabled in the Nvidia Control panel.
I made a save point for idle Gameplay and, a point for the Boss fight..
So i start at the Save point...
Im running 60 frames..... When i get to the Boss Fight it drops you 30 (vsync on)
Temp GPU: 56c
Temp CPU: 36c
CPU cores: one core Half max.... CPU is off loaded.
Game looks great (expect for it needing a patch)
So now i shut down the game... And TURN OFF PhysX on th GPU Cp leaving, PhysX enabled in game
I Restart the game and load the same Save point
Im running 30 Frames now, and drop down to 13 during the boss Fight....(unplayable)
Temp GPU: 68c (????)
Temp CPU: 45c
CPU cores: 3 cores maxed out.... CPU is getting pushed....
Games looks like shit.... Without physX enabled where the ice broke before...it didn't fall right... I cant break any of the ice on the walls...And unplayable frames
Sum it up:
Got the same game Settings with Pysics and PhysX enabled
Same system playing it
With the CPU doing the work...Its unplayable.
With the GPU doing the work... 60 frames...
It was like i went from a single 8800 to a Quad, in performance.
I did one more test with no Pysics of any kind in the game and the Nvidia CP
And it looked stupid.. it was designed to have physics... So yes Gameplay would be Ruined.
With Physics on (without the Extra PhysX) it look like shit as well.
Graphics, animations, and sounds. they help people believe there in that game....Doing a shitty job hurts the game...
Ever notice that the AAA titles are packed full of "fluff"..
you all really need to get out more, or upgrade your system
cause shitting on Game makers and companies trying to deliver more (even if they are trying to make money or not)
cause you cant afford the " Nvidia, the way it was meant to be played" is Fanboying...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Ive never seen a more desperate cry for a card maker , then this thread. THe problem here is that Nvidia is unleashing a world wide advert assuaklt to counter act the ATI 1.0 GHZ GPU. The worlds first 1 ghz gpu processor. It is companies like Nvidia and Intel that hold back progress, with these type of forum scare tatics. Look at these losers Signatures lol, do you really want to take advice from a group of wannabee gamers, who photoshoped that last week to give them selves street cred.
Game Over.
lol you are a retard... Yea I did pohotshop that sig, By hand. Im a prof Graphic artist ..try looking at the website.... Multi gaming Clan...meaning we just dont play MMOs, like a real clan should be. And we have 5 years + in the last 2 clans.. We were TeamHAF then Revamped to 556 last year...
Wannabee.... you mean like the guy that thinks hes a Video game Photographer... taking hundreds of shity shots that anyone can and has done..... Like your good or something.. try a real artfrom and create something, dont just take pic of it...lol
"I make sure that there is always a Lens Flar or some Landscapes in my Pics... then i post them, hopeing to Give me and my game...Street Cred."
A Desperate cry for a game maker, to prove We have good grapics? and our game does not suck...( and i even like the game. But if im sad, then you are too)
Didnt your sig got Modded, cause you were dissing Funcom in it....(scare tactics)
anything else fanboy... Dont throw stones in a glass house.
PS you stated this
Originally posted by solareus
Overclockers is a Nvidia run site, the real info always comes from Futurmark. Below is the current 09 standings.
first of all 1000 points in a 3dmark score is nothing..... You can go up and down 1000 just bye clearing your cash.....lol
And if you noticed the Benchmark they already stated that ATI in 3D mark was better.. oh but they are a bunch of lieing Nvidia fans...cause you an ATI fan...lol
And also...who the hell uses 3dMark 06 anymore... that for DX9 cards.... Why dont you show me a 3d mark vantage Benchmark.. For DX 10 (thats what matters)
One after another the shitheads some out the bush...
You sidestep this, and qoute another post...and did not respond to this....????
then you move to bring up my Sig and People should not take advice from us because we have a Clan and a sig for it..??
Could it be that you got Shutdown with your dumb 3D mark post , and now your trying to walk away from it, like you didnt get punked..lol And you resort to Scare tactics, to cover your lack of hardwear and OC exp..
Simply put. your saying...
When your wrong you Sidestep and hit below the belt? another punk ass kid... i wonder what your Street Cred is like in RL....ASS
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
What ever, Nvidia loves to follow half truths, hwho cares who out performed who in a quad system , most pc gamers specially mmorpg players will never use or need a quad set up. Put that on the fact that a Nvidia published website is oooing and ahhhing over a bunch of test that really don't add up to anything in the larger scope of pc gaming, and you have a who the F$#@ cares thread. Nvidia makes decent cards, and ATI makes decent cards, butiif you look at what ATI is doing with the cards makes a lot more sense then putting everything on one piece of hardware and bogging it down. ALso ATI has ALWAYs had superior gpu clock speeds on comsumer level products. Also your review didn;t specify it was running full SPider or Dragon AMD systems and what speed the xfire was x16 or x8 Keep that feeling you have for the nvidia, cause they will soon need diehards like yourself to keep it afloat.. One more thing, I didnt even ready your post , there really isn't any information in them that is worth reading.
you come in here like a bad ass telling people to piss off, you get "Punked"
and all you can say is "whatever"....lolololol what it it you guys say..."Owned"
well the fact you didnt not read...thats why alot of your statements are clueless.
"Also your review didn;t specify it was running full SPider or Dragon AMD systems and what speed the xfire was x16 or x8 Keep that feeling you have for the nvidia, cause they will soon need diehards like yourself to keep it afloat.."
Well i dont remeber if they did for Nvidia either.... so what does that matter.. try again. (please dont make me explain why)
"Nvidia makes decent cards, and ATI makes decent cards, butiif you look at what ATI is doing with the cards makes a lot more sense then putting everything on one piece of hardware and bogging it down. ALso ATI has ALWAYs had superior gpu clock speeds on comsumer level products."
I will put money on that you had no real idea what ATI is doing with there cards, untill you Looked it up yesterday to Back up your Fumble.
Didnt we go over the GPU clocks?.... It takes the whole card to deliver perfromance.
its like sayin 2 hot rods are in a race.... One has a 500HP with flat tires and the other has 450hp with racing slicks...you think the 500hp will win the race.???
the point of the OP is to show people you can get Price/performance out of a Nvidia card... And if you Read they stated that if you dont want to spend the money go ATI. they are good.
But the performance boost and no limits with a nVidia is well worth the Extra $20~$100
But all you Missed that Cause you were too busy reading the first 6 lines of the OP, and Going right to discrediting anything that is Nvidia...
you guys need to understand something Dire...
Name 10 games compleatly unplayable by a GTX260. (i mean a of max FPS of 20 @ 1920 X 1200)
And then Look up games that ATI cant play.
And you will understand that ATI's history is far worse. FLAT OUT.
when i game with Nvidia, i never say " i cant play that game with my hardwear."
But i see ATI fans all day, flaming about games they cant play.
I dont hate on ATI unless provoked ( I was an Avid ATI fan untll i tryed Nvida)
Dont think that since i have gone Nvidia, i havent cursed the ground they walk on. Ask Sir_drip, Many of days on teamspeak he has heard me rant and rave about, bad drivers, and shady practices.. (like when i got SLI 280 for $1300 the day it came out...and they droped the proce $400 a week later....Oh yea i rased hell at EVGA)
But all said and done... Nvidia Has been a better all around exp.
So i dont want to hear this "fanboy" shit.. From Blind, unreasonable, bias people, that do not and have not even owned the Tech we speak of...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
Sorry, ATI are forward thinkers when it comes to Physics...
you might want to shut it down now, cause I will bust you uop and down with this vs's bull shit.
hahahaha
"Delivering true-to-life gaming reality
ATI brings a whole new world of gaming with the introduction of physics processing on the ATI GPU as part of the ATI CrossFire platform. Now, in addition to dual-card CrossFire™ graphics, a third ATI Radeon™ X1000 series card can be used to deliver the most powerful physics processing performance available for the most true-to-life representations of reality possible. This potent new combination of the highest quality dual graphics solution with incredible physics processing capacity brings gamers the best looking, most immersive game experience possible, on the highest performing PC platform ever conceived, ATI CrossFire.
ATI CrossFire offers gamers a choice of physics configurations rather than being locked into symmetrical setups. This flexible architecture allows asymmetrical configurations as unlike cards can be used for physics processing in both 1+1 and 2+1 setups where one or two graphics cards are used for game rendering, while another card is used for physics. This open architecture accommodates all gamers, whether they want to use a high-end graphics card for physics, or a mainstream card.
ATI is working with Havok and their Havok FX™ effects physics engine which enables game developers to produce more convincing environments that include richer, more detailed explosions, smoke, debris, fluids, cloth and hair. "
Moving forwards?
you mean like what nivida has been doing better from the start......lol
Didnt you all JUST GET DONE Saying not to post Bias Info? (let alone ads From ATI's website.......lol)
If an nivdia has said stuff like this.... its a marketing ploy? right? . But how long have they been promiseing?
And ALSO..... this is more for Quad Boy...
Didnt you say that Nvidia's Down fall is you need at least a Sli to run PhysX that makes the Price / Perfomance null...?
Take a look at your boy ATI, what it will take to get Physics with a ATI setup, if it comes out.... CF + ATI Radeon™ X1000 series card physics card...????lol all though dated..... (but your boy here provided the link)
At least with a Nvidia Card you can us the card for gaming too.....lololololol what are you going to play with that 1000 series...? Pong?...lol Not to mention ATI CF uses a shit ton of power.... now add a older card. my god
did you even realize that was from 2006.? Moving Forwards...lol
Does that work yet...? Nvidia is alread up to Tri SLI with a 4 Card for PhysX (Dont know about quads yet.)
Every company is guilty of hype..... get over yourself...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
How is it possible to completely miss the point of my post? What you just said, you've been saying to everyone here in every thread since I've seen your posts. So if you choose to follow that specific logic (if you have no experience with then you can't have knowledge about it), why should you be able to talk about the importance of GPGPU when you in reality know nothing about physics processing or development. Same goes for PhysX.
I didn't say I've made tests of it. I simply linked to another site, Toms Hardware, which says ATI has best price/performance in most ranges.
"thats an ATI bias website."
As posted not in regards to the performance, as that's probably true. But in regards to that conclusion, which again, as stated concludes shit that haven't been covered in the article what so ever.
I can easily be in this debate as I have more theorical knowledge than you. It's fine you have experience with the products at hand, but don't think for a second I don't know more about, say the core i7 than you, just because I don't own it.
love how everything provokes dreadknought, even nonpersonal stuff
HAHA.. you know when you have to try so hard to defend the so called "truth" says it all right there about whats really true. Haha sorry but its funny to watch how easy it is to pull someones chain and they cant even tell whats going on..
When was the last time you read some review on some hardware. went out and bought the same and got it all up and running and then said.. WTH? I dont get anything like that on my system. But yet we already know this yes? lol .
You just got to bang your had on the ground wondering what it is some need quad gpus for (the cards being talked about). You just got suckered in to getting something you really didnt need. Dont feel bad NVIDIA and AMD/ATI LOVE YOU! Realy... You cant say cad or graphics blah blah lol because you would want something different.. like saying your a musician and you want to get a x-fi for some keyboard sounds. Sure lol you can but lol anyway.. ROCKON! lol
Lets not talk about my lack of Grammer,if you dont want to talk about your lack of Sex life..Nerd.
i just cant point out this text under his avatar, then open his profile, he lives in usa, and his spelling is so bad its just sad., first thing you gona notice is his pc part list, well thats one long list.. haha , and hes die hard nvidia fanboy, hes probably one of those who gets free nvidia cards to post positive stuff about nvidia in forums ( those things are real, and there is plenty ppl like that ) and in the end, its pretty hard not to take him as nerd, the one he seem to despise. talk about selfowning
as to whole nvidia vs ati, well its kinda silly again whole ati drivers suxs, nvidia drivers owns bullshit , nvidia drivers got so bad latelly its just stupid, ammount of crash nvidia drivers generate on windows is insane,
amount of times nvidia driver stops working ( even on older games.. the new 185.85 driver, bought us 3 new things
first is ambient oclusion ,well to be honest, second most useless feature after physx , first off, it supports so few games.. second off , it supports few older games, but looks just pretty much out of place and terrible in them, in new games where it looks great, crysis etc, it will drop your fps half, and i wonder how many ppl got 80+ fps while playing on max, and i mean completely max, before you even turn ambient oclusion on, you certainly need quad 295.. for that..
and there is 2 new bad things
first one , i noticed is that i actually get nvidia driver stopped working on old games, such as wc3 tft.. for god.. i never had this before, and tbh, now its pretty frequant , so yeh.. way to go nvidia, well there is good thing about it, there is 80% that game wont actually crash, and just become black screen for few seconds and return to normal.. obviously real pain in the ass while playing online ( and thats all i do ) there are few other older games, which have that now.. annoying
and second and most noticeble is delay for dropdowns menu, like press on desktop.. and go to priorities/nvidia control panel, all those literly take 5 mins to apear ( for menu ) , and exactly everyone in vista/win7 have that.. so yeh.. thats clearly a feature we asked for
so yeh, nvidia drivers aint holy grail, to rebuke endless ammount of offensive crap that drivers problems are just for me.. go read some 3dguru forums,
and i take good care of my pc/windows, cleaning registry, doing complete reinstall on drivers , using driver cleaner, so you can shove it up your ass , that its only my problem, or that drivers are spectacular
as to whole cf vs sli, its silly, a year ago even before 4000 series launched , everyone would agree on fact that cf gave more performance than sli did , we wont even go when 4000 series launched, and 4850 cf and 4870cf dominated everything ati had, its pretty fun, how after a year of silence , from nvidia fanatics, and without stupid wars, of whos better
now when nvidia finally released better cards than ati ( which was good half year latter ) and now when there are rumours that new ati cards will be released in july/autumn ( well to be frank.. same date as 4000 series, just a year latter ) which supposedly will have 4x power of 4870, and frankly , if thats true, thats biggest jump in performance in gpu industry ever ?
and rummored nvidia cards are just for new years.. which again will be half year latter than ati,( would it be better or worse card )
every nvidia fanatic, feels like its 1 month will ati will crush nvidia again, so they need to rise, and spamm as much as they can
i own sli my self, so no im not ati fanboy
im just sick tired of ati hate, without ati there wouldnt be yours 295gtx, you would still sit in 7800gt andbest, and would be happy, cuz without competition ati have no reasons to invest all the money into research, when ppl still would buy old crap..
one more year max, and there will be first intel gpu, will you jump to intel ship, if intel brings out something so powerfull that neither ati or nvidia can compete..
or you gona wait another 9 months, till you got free month where nvidia is winning, and go mass propoganda spamming.. on every forum
get real
if you paid nvidia owner , be happy, i would be happy, make few posts.. how nvidia is better..
like 295 is best card.. go buy
260 sli is great
do not make it.. nvidia owns ati is terrible, ati is terrible that.. ati is terrible that.. nvidia is perfect.. nvidia isnt perfect.. nor is ati.. neither of them is terrible
ur just sad little beying, i doubt you get much of yours advertised sex.. do you
Lets not talk about my lack of Grammer,if you dont want to talk about your lack of Sex life..Nerd.
i just cant point out this text under his avatar, then open his profile, he lives in usa, and his spelling is so bad its just sad., first thing you gona notice is his pc part list, well thats one long list.. haha , and hes die hard nvidia fanboy, hes probably one of those who gets free nvidia cards to post positive stuff about nvidia in forums ( those things are real, and there is plenty ppl like that ) and in the end, its pretty hard not to take him as nerd, the one he seem to despise. talk about selfowning
as to whole nvidia vs ati, well its kinda silly again whole ati drivers suxs, nvidia drivers owns bullshit , nvidia drivers got so bad latelly its just stupid, ammount of crash nvidia drivers generate on windows is insane, amount of times nvidia driver stops working ( even on older games.. the new 185.85 driver, bought us 3 new things first is ambient oclusion ,well to be honest, second most useless feature after physx , first off, it supports so few games.. second off , it supports few older games, but looks just pretty much out of place and terrible in them, in new games where it looks great, crysis etc, it will drop your fps half, and i wonder how many ppl got 80+ fps while playing on max, and i mean completely max, before you even turn ambient oclusion on, you certainly need quad 295.. for that..
and there is 2 new bad things first one , i noticed is that i actually get nvidia driver stopped working on old games, such as wc3 tft.. for god.. i never had this before, and tbh, now its pretty frequant , so yeh.. way to go nvidia, well there is good thing about it, there is 80% that game wont actually crash, and just become black screen for few seconds and return to normal.. obviously real pain in the ass while playing online ( and thats all i do ) there are few other older games, which have that now.. annoying
and second and most noticeble is delay for dropdowns menu, like press on desktop.. and go to priorities/nvidia control panel, all those literly take 5 mins to apear ( for menu ) , and exactly everyone in vista/win7 have that.. so yeh.. thats clearly a feature we asked for
so yeh, nvidia drivers aint holy grail, to rebuke endless ammount of offensive crap that drivers problems are just for me.. go read some 3dguru forums, and i take good care of my pc/windows, cleaning registry, doing complete reinstall on drivers , using driver cleaner, so you can shove it up your ass , that its only my problem, or that drivers are spectacular
as to whole cf vs sli, its silly, a year ago even before 4000 series launched , everyone would agree on fact that cf gave more performance than sli did , we wont even go when 4000 series launched, and 4850 cf and 4870cf dominated everything ati had, its pretty fun, how after a year of silence , from nvidia fanatics, and without stupid wars, of whos better now when nvidia finally released better cards than ati ( which was good half year latter ) and now when there are rumours that new ati cards will be released in july/autumn ( well to be frank.. same date as 4000 series, just a year latter ) which supposedly will have 4x power of 4870, and frankly , if thats true, thats biggest jump in performance in gpu industry ever ? and rummored nvidia cards are just for new years.. which again will be half year latter than ati,( would it be better or worse card ) every nvidia fanatic, feels like its 1 month will ati will crush nvidia again, so they need to rise, and spamm as much as they can
i own sli my self, so no im not ati fanboy im just sick tired of ati hate, without ati there wouldnt be yours 295gtx, you would still sit in 7800gt andbest, and would be happy, cuz without competition ati have no reasons to invest all the money into research, when ppl still would buy old crap.. one more year max, and there will be first intel gpu, will you jump to intel ship, if intel brings out something so powerfull that neither ati or nvidia can compete.. or you gona wait another 9 months, till you got free month where nvidia is winning, and go mass propoganda spamming.. on every forum get real if you paid nvidia owner , be happy, i would be happy, make few posts.. how nvidia is better.. like 295 is best card.. go buy 260 sli is great do not make it.. nvidia owns ati is terrible, ati is terrible that.. ati is terrible that.. nvidia is perfect.. nvidia isnt perfect.. nor is ati.. neither of them is terrible ur just sad little beying, i doubt you get much of yours advertised sex.. do you
doesnt he sound like me? but the diffrence is... noone called you out... so why you here? hall monitor.
lol paid owner.... yea Nvidia pays a Tattoo artists to sell "High -end " GPUS to poor kids..... on MMORPG...
and i get it as much as a married man can get.... hey how is that 15 second Clip of porn you watchin....
and follow your own advice , and stay out of this, before i punk you like the last thread, you tryed stepping into
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"SLI won 36 out of 40 tests in Quad SLI vs Quad CF, and 37 out of 40 in the other categories. This is the only thing Nvidia won. In every other overclocking test, AMD and ATI won. The AMD also won CPU over clocling with a speed of 4.1GHZ on a quad core cpu Good Job on the Nvidia fluff article...... That is all it is . Also miught want to check out overclockers.com sponsors as well. GG gulables.
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
How is it possible to completely miss the point of my post? What you just said, you've been saying to everyone here in every thread since I've seen your posts. So if you choose to follow that specific logic (if you have no experience with then you can't have knowledge about it), why should you be able to talk about the importance of GPGPU when you in reality know nothing about physics processing or development. Same goes for PhysX.
I didn't say I've made tests of it. I simply linked to another site, Toms Hardware, which says ATI has best price/performance in most ranges.
"thats an ATI bias website."
As posted not in regards to the performance, as that's probably true. But in regards to that conclusion, which again, as stated concludes shit that haven't been covered in the article what so ever.
I can easily be in this debate as I have more theorical knowledge than you. It's fine you have experience with the products at hand, but don't think for a second I don't know more about, say the core i7 than you, just because I don't own it.
what Set me off, right after the OP...look back... this OP started with a Benchmark.. that was attacked by every ATI fan that had little or no Exp.? and while attacking the OP they Called me out personaly... so when i defend myself... you feel you want to add?. do you know what flip flop means.... You make a statement "if you have never used something you cant talk about it." I tell you to follow your own advice.. you say "yes i havent used it but, i can talk about it, and i could know more than you"?????
but your OS was " you cant talk about something unless you have used it????? do i need to draw you a picture.
I dont care how you word it its still BS.
So you can think you know more than me, thats ok... But if someone thinks they know more than you... you defend yourself right? Read between the lines, look at that statement from my point of view.? I understand what you are saying, i just dont think you do.
And i dont give a fuck... you come trying to piss in my luck charms... i will fuck you up. im not a pussy like most in RL.
PS : I dont know anything about A GPU doing a CPUs Job????
Read back...(reader) and you will see the test that i did with the Tech we are talking about...
You know what 99% of all this fighting is... you all only read the last thing post and the quote... you have no idea who started this fight.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
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Dude, everyone and their grandmother knows the GTX295 is a dual GPU card. It part of Nvidia's comback in the price war, reducing the cost of their dual card designs. I can point you to many links discussing the pre-release from a months or two ago... if you would like.
As Tom's, Anadtech, Hard OCP and many other "notable" sites have all disected, discussed and benched it. Though, if you want to believe it wasn't a typo... then stroke your ego. Since, it seems like you need it.
pew pew
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Shhhh.... don't say that too loud, pew pew boy might come and try and chastise you for not showing proof, etc. Plus, we don't need another illegable post from him, all that banter clogs up these threads.
Coincidentally, if you pose too tough of an arguement, you might confuse them. Because he doesn't understand anything other than what OverclockersClub says... yet most people shy away from that amature web site.
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first of all 1000 points in a 3dmark score is nothing..... You can go up and down 1000 just bye clearing your cash.....lol
And if you noticed the Benchmark they already stated that ATI in 3D mark was better.. oh but they are a bunch of lieing Nvidia fans...cause you an ATI fan...lol
And also...who the hell your 3dMark 06 anymore... that for DX9 cards.... Why dont you show me a 3d mark vantage Benchmark.. For DX 10 (thats what matters)
One after another the shitheads some out the bush...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Shhhh.... don't say that too loud, pew pew boy might come and try and chastise you for not showing proof, etc. Plus, we don't need another illegable post from him, all that banter clogs up these threads.
Coincidentally, if you pose too tough of an arguement, you might confuse them. Because he doesn't understand anything other than what OverclockersClub says... yet most people shy away from that amature web site.
Smoke and mirrors....Didnt you get your beating.
A GTX 295 Quad SLI = 4 GTX 295's....lol that is funny...
I like your little Sidestep...
dont worry...everone can still see that shit
Did you just say confuse? Like your exp with hardwear....
Hey you two retards....Did you not see the disclamer at the bottom of my OP? Na you didnt read it... you were to busy blindly protecting ATi.
you all have any of this hardwear to even defend it...? I have SLI....what Cards you to donkeys useing?.... Oh right your looking up info on google. not any hands on exp...
And now its a pissing match on who's google info is better...
Your a bunch of clowns...
Anyways
Quad boy... Dont think that i wont follow you around these forums with that stupid statement
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
hey Overclocker.... even if you can overclock a GPU higher ....that does not mean its stable...(if you OCed you would know that people run the test and validate, then downclock ) Even if it was stable, that DOES not mean A OC card can out perform a Stock.....(it all depends)
Meaning A HD 4850 OC might not be better that a stock 285..... performance wise.
Try again ... this time back it with some real Exp with Hardwear.
Every website has sponsors..... I stated that i dont fully trust the site it could be bias. in the OP
But i said i have exp with alot of the cards in that benchmark. (including ATI) ..so i would back it.... Read before you speak. ATI card holder.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
Sorry, ATI are forward thinkers when it comes to Physics...
ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/physics/index.html
you might want to shut it down now, cause I will bust you uop and down with this vs's bull shit.
You will be lucky to see that in a 1 1/2 to 2 years from now...Good luck with that! Crossfire drivers SUCK and you want to add Physx on top of that, LOL.....
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
Riddle me this batman?
So i have Cryostasis.. (the most demanding. PyisX game to date...even though it need a patch.
So you saying basically that A core I7 can run PhysX better than a GPU?
well i just did a test .Here is what i did
I have a Core I7 @ 4.2, and two gtx 285's
I have Fraps to See FPS, Rivia Tuner to monitor GPU temp and E-leet tool to monitor CPU temp.
So with Max settings in Cryo. With Physics on and Adv PhysX enabled in game. And PhysX enabled in the Nvidia Control panel.
I made a save point for idle Gameplay and, a point for the Boss fight..
So i start at the Save point...
Im running 60 frames..... When i get to the Boss Fight it drops you 30 (vsync on)
Temp GPU: 56c
Temp CPU: 36c
CPU cores: one core Half max.... CPU is off loaded.
Game looks great (expect for it needing a patch)
So now i shut down the game... And TURN OFF PhysX on th GPU Cp leaving, PhysX enabled in game
I Restart the game and load the same Save point
Im running 30 Frames now, and drop down to 13 during the boss Fight....(unplayable)
Temp GPU: 68c (????)
Temp CPU: 45c
CPU cores: 3 cores maxed out.... CPU is getting pushed....
Games looks like shit.... Without physX enabled where the ice broke before...it didn't fall right... I cant break any of the ice on the walls...And unplayable frames
Sum it up:
Got the same game Settings with Pysics and PhysX enabled
Same system playing it
With the CPU doing the work...Its unplayable.
With the GPU doing the work... 60 frames...
It was like i went from a single 8800 to a Quad, in performance.
I did one more test with no Pysics of any kind in the game and the Nvidia CP
And it looked stupid.. it was designed to have physics... So yes Gameplay would be Ruined.
With Physics on (without the Extra PhysX) it look like shit as well.
Graphics, animations, and sounds. they help people believe there in that game....Doing a shitty job hurts the game...
Ever notice that the AAA titles are packed full of "fluff"..
you all really need to get out more, or upgrade your system
cause shitting on Game makers and companies trying to deliver more (even if they are trying to make money or not)
cause you cant afford the " Nvidia, the way it was meant to be played" is Fanboying...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
lol you are a retard... Yea I did pohotshop that sig, By hand. Im a prof Graphic artist ..try looking at the website.... Multi gaming Clan...meaning we just dont play MMOs, like a real clan should be. And we have 5 years + in the last 2 clans.. We were TeamHAF then Revamped to 556 last year...
Wannabee.... you mean like the guy that thinks hes a Video game Photographer... taking hundreds of shity shots that anyone can and has done..... Like your good or something.. try a real artfrom and create something, dont just take pic of it...lol
"I make sure that there is always a Lens Flar or some Landscapes in my Pics... then i post them, hopeing to Give me and my game...Street Cred."
A Desperate cry for a game maker, to prove We have good grapics? and our game does not suck...( and i even like the game. But if im sad, then you are too)
Didnt your sig got Modded, cause you were dissing Funcom in it....(scare tactics)
anything else fanboy... Dont throw stones in a glass house.
PS you stated this
Originally posted by solareus
Overclockers is a Nvidia run site, the real info always comes from Futurmark. Below is the current 09 standings.
www.futuremark.com/community/competitions/overclocking/regional09/
I wrote this
first of all 1000 points in a 3dmark score is nothing..... You can go up and down 1000 just bye clearing your cash.....lol
And if you noticed the Benchmark they already stated that ATI in 3D mark was better.. oh but they are a bunch of lieing Nvidia fans...cause you an ATI fan...lol
And also...who the hell uses 3dMark 06 anymore... that for DX9 cards.... Why dont you show me a 3d mark vantage Benchmark.. For DX 10 (thats what matters)
One after another the shitheads some out the bush...
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You sidestep this, and qoute another post...and did not respond to this....????
then you move to bring up my Sig and People should not take advice from us because we have a Clan and a sig for it..??
Could it be that you got Shutdown with your dumb 3D mark post , and now your trying to walk away from it, like you didnt get punked..lol And you resort to Scare tactics, to cover your lack of hardwear and OC exp..
Simply put. your saying...
When your wrong you Sidestep and hit below the belt? another punk ass kid... i wonder what your Street Cred is like in RL....ASS
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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you come in here like a bad ass telling people to piss off, you get "Punked"
and all you can say is "whatever"....lolololol what it it you guys say..."Owned"
well the fact you didnt not read...thats why alot of your statements are clueless.
"Also your review didn;t specify it was running full SPider or Dragon AMD systems and what speed the xfire was x16 or x8 Keep that feeling you have for the nvidia, cause they will soon need diehards like yourself to keep it afloat.."
Well i dont remeber if they did for Nvidia either.... so what does that matter.. try again. (please dont make me explain why)
"Nvidia makes decent cards, and ATI makes decent cards, butiif you look at what ATI is doing with the cards makes a lot more sense then putting everything on one piece of hardware and bogging it down. ALso ATI has ALWAYs had superior gpu clock speeds on comsumer level products."
I will put money on that you had no real idea what ATI is doing with there cards, untill you Looked it up yesterday to Back up your Fumble.
Didnt we go over the GPU clocks?.... It takes the whole card to deliver perfromance.
its like sayin 2 hot rods are in a race.... One has a 500HP with flat tires and the other has 450hp with racing slicks...you think the 500hp will win the race.???
the point of the OP is to show people you can get Price/performance out of a Nvidia card... And if you Read they stated that if you dont want to spend the money go ATI. they are good.
But the performance boost and no limits with a nVidia is well worth the Extra $20~$100
But all you Missed that Cause you were too busy reading the first 6 lines of the OP, and Going right to discrediting anything that is Nvidia...
you guys need to understand something Dire...
Name 10 games compleatly unplayable by a GTX260. (i mean a of max FPS of 20 @ 1920 X 1200)
And then Look up games that ATI cant play.
And you will understand that ATI's history is far worse. FLAT OUT.
when i game with Nvidia, i never say " i cant play that game with my hardwear."
But i see ATI fans all day, flaming about games they cant play.
I dont hate on ATI unless provoked ( I was an Avid ATI fan untll i tryed Nvida)
Dont think that since i have gone Nvidia, i havent cursed the ground they walk on. Ask Sir_drip, Many of days on teamspeak he has heard me rant and rave about, bad drivers, and shady practices.. (like when i got SLI 280 for $1300 the day it came out...and they droped the proce $400 a week later....Oh yea i rased hell at EVGA)
But all said and done... Nvidia Has been a better all around exp.
So i dont want to hear this "fanboy" shit.. From Blind, unreasonable, bias people, that do not and have not even owned the Tech we speak of...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Yea....Let Nvidia turn on Physx and lets see what happens. For some of you ...you might remember...why that option is no longer. The rule is that ATI dose NOT have an answer for this....So they do NOT test with PHYSX on! And remember when vantage scores went through the roof, when the first Physx was tested on Vantage. Within 2 weeks they shut it down because they were taking the Cpu load and putting it on the GPU....Now thats the rule.....They were running the CPU load at much faster speed on the GPU and rendering 60 frames per...For the norm...and blew away Vantage scores!
So a unbias sites turn on Physx because you have "that" when you purchase Nvidia.
Now go find benchmarks with Physx on. and tell me who's bias?
Sorry, ATI are forward thinkers when it comes to Physics...
ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/physics/index.html
you might want to shut it down now, cause I will bust you uop and down with this vs's bull shit.
hahahaha
"Delivering true-to-life gaming reality
ATI brings a whole new world of gaming with the introduction of physics processing on the ATI GPU as part of the ATI CrossFire platform. Now, in addition to dual-card CrossFire™ graphics, a third ATI Radeon™ X1000 series card can be used to deliver the most powerful physics processing performance available for the most true-to-life representations of reality possible. This potent new combination of the highest quality dual graphics solution with incredible physics processing capacity brings gamers the best looking, most immersive game experience possible, on the highest performing PC platform ever conceived, ATI CrossFire.
ATI CrossFire offers gamers a choice of physics configurations rather than being locked into symmetrical setups. This flexible architecture allows asymmetrical configurations as unlike cards can be used for physics processing in both 1+1 and 2+1 setups where one or two graphics cards are used for game rendering, while another card is used for physics. This open architecture accommodates all gamers, whether they want to use a high-end graphics card for physics, or a mainstream card.
ATI is working with Havok and their Havok FX™ effects physics engine which enables game developers to produce more convincing environments that include richer, more detailed explosions, smoke, debris, fluids, cloth and hair. "
Moving forwards?
you mean like what nivida has been doing better from the start......lol
Didnt you all JUST GET DONE Saying not to post Bias Info? (let alone ads From ATI's website.......lol)
If an nivdia has said stuff like this.... its a marketing ploy? right? . But how long have they been promiseing?
And ALSO..... this is more for Quad Boy...
Didnt you say that Nvidia's Down fall is you need at least a Sli to run PhysX that makes the Price / Perfomance null...?
Take a look at your boy ATI, what it will take to get Physics with a ATI setup, if it comes out.... CF + ATI Radeon™ X1000 series card physics card...????lol all though dated..... (but your boy here provided the link)
At least with a Nvidia Card you can us the card for gaming too.....lololololol what are you going to play with that 1000 series...? Pong?...lol Not to mention ATI CF uses a shit ton of power.... now add a older card. my god
did you even realize that was from 2006.? Moving Forwards...lol
Does that work yet...? Nvidia is alread up to Tri SLI with a 4 Card for PhysX (Dont know about quads yet.)
Every company is guilty of hype..... get over yourself...
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
How is it possible to completely miss the point of my post? What you just said, you've been saying to everyone here in every thread since I've seen your posts. So if you choose to follow that specific logic (if you have no experience with then you can't have knowledge about it), why should you be able to talk about the importance of GPGPU when you in reality know nothing about physics processing or development. Same goes for PhysX.
I didn't say I've made tests of it. I simply linked to another site, Toms Hardware, which says ATI has best price/performance in most ranges.
"thats an ATI bias website."
As posted not in regards to the performance, as that's probably true. But in regards to that conclusion, which again, as stated concludes shit that haven't been covered in the article what so ever.
I can easily be in this debate as I have more theorical knowledge than you. It's fine you have experience with the products at hand, but don't think for a second I don't know more about, say the core i7 than you, just because I don't own it.
love how everything provokes dreadknought, even nonpersonal stuff
Stop provoking dreadknought, he'll assault you with ellipses.
HAHA.. you know when you have to try so hard to defend the so called "truth" says it all right there about whats really true. Haha sorry but its funny to watch how easy it is to pull someones chain and they cant even tell whats going on..
When was the last time you read some review on some hardware. went out and bought the same and got it all up and running and then said.. WTH? I dont get anything like that on my system. But yet we already know this yes? lol .
You just got to bang your had on the ground wondering what it is some need quad gpus for (the cards being talked about). You just got suckered in to getting something you really didnt need. Dont feel bad NVIDIA and AMD/ATI LOVE YOU! Realy... You cant say cad or graphics blah blah lol because you would want something different.. like saying your a musician and you want to get a x-fi for some keyboard sounds. Sure lol you can but lol anyway.. ROCKON! lol
Lets not talk about my lack of Grammer,if you dont want to talk about your lack of Sex life..Nerd.
i just cant point out this text under his avatar, then open his profile, he lives in usa, and his spelling is so bad its just sad., first thing you gona notice is his pc part list, well thats one long list.. haha , and hes die hard nvidia fanboy, hes probably one of those who gets free nvidia cards to post positive stuff about nvidia in forums ( those things are real, and there is plenty ppl like that ) and in the end, its pretty hard not to take him as nerd, the one he seem to despise. talk about selfowning
as to whole nvidia vs ati, well its kinda silly again whole ati drivers suxs, nvidia drivers owns bullshit , nvidia drivers got so bad latelly its just stupid, ammount of crash nvidia drivers generate on windows is insane,
amount of times nvidia driver stops working ( even on older games.. the new 185.85 driver, bought us 3 new things
first is ambient oclusion ,well to be honest, second most useless feature after physx , first off, it supports so few games.. second off , it supports few older games, but looks just pretty much out of place and terrible in them, in new games where it looks great, crysis etc, it will drop your fps half, and i wonder how many ppl got 80+ fps while playing on max, and i mean completely max, before you even turn ambient oclusion on, you certainly need quad 295.. for that..
and there is 2 new bad things
first one , i noticed is that i actually get nvidia driver stopped working on old games, such as wc3 tft.. for god.. i never had this before, and tbh, now its pretty frequant , so yeh.. way to go nvidia, well there is good thing about it, there is 80% that game wont actually crash, and just become black screen for few seconds and return to normal.. obviously real pain in the ass while playing online ( and thats all i do ) there are few other older games, which have that now.. annoying
and second and most noticeble is delay for dropdowns menu, like press on desktop.. and go to priorities/nvidia control panel, all those literly take 5 mins to apear ( for menu ) , and exactly everyone in vista/win7 have that.. so yeh.. thats clearly a feature we asked for
so yeh, nvidia drivers aint holy grail, to rebuke endless ammount of offensive crap that drivers problems are just for me.. go read some 3dguru forums,
and i take good care of my pc/windows, cleaning registry, doing complete reinstall on drivers , using driver cleaner, so you can shove it up your ass , that its only my problem, or that drivers are spectacular
as to whole cf vs sli, its silly, a year ago even before 4000 series launched , everyone would agree on fact that cf gave more performance than sli did , we wont even go when 4000 series launched, and 4850 cf and 4870cf dominated everything ati had, its pretty fun, how after a year of silence , from nvidia fanatics, and without stupid wars, of whos better
now when nvidia finally released better cards than ati ( which was good half year latter ) and now when there are rumours that new ati cards will be released in july/autumn ( well to be frank.. same date as 4000 series, just a year latter ) which supposedly will have 4x power of 4870, and frankly , if thats true, thats biggest jump in performance in gpu industry ever ?
and rummored nvidia cards are just for new years.. which again will be half year latter than ati,( would it be better or worse card )
every nvidia fanatic, feels like its 1 month will ati will crush nvidia again, so they need to rise, and spamm as much as they can
i own sli my self, so no im not ati fanboy
im just sick tired of ati hate, without ati there wouldnt be yours 295gtx, you would still sit in 7800gt andbest, and would be happy, cuz without competition ati have no reasons to invest all the money into research, when ppl still would buy old crap..
one more year max, and there will be first intel gpu, will you jump to intel ship, if intel brings out something so powerfull that neither ati or nvidia can compete..
or you gona wait another 9 months, till you got free month where nvidia is winning, and go mass propoganda spamming.. on every forum
get real
if you paid nvidia owner , be happy, i would be happy, make few posts.. how nvidia is better..
like 295 is best card.. go buy
260 sli is great
do not make it.. nvidia owns ati is terrible, ati is terrible that.. ati is terrible that.. nvidia is perfect.. nvidia isnt perfect.. nor is ati.. neither of them is terrible
ur just sad little beying, i doubt you get much of yours advertised sex.. do you
doesnt he sound like me? but the diffrence is... noone called you out... so why you here? hall monitor.
lol paid owner.... yea Nvidia pays a Tattoo artists to sell "High -end " GPUS to poor kids..... on MMORPG...
and i get it as much as a married man can get.... hey how is that 15 second Clip of porn you watchin....
and follow your own advice , and stay out of this, before i punk you like the last thread, you tryed stepping into
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
My point exactly about OC. They make that test and then they conclude shit that haven't even been in the article(about general GPUs and CUDA), and they aren't taking price into account, along with making ungrounded conclusions about the ATI drivers. That's a big no-no in any journalistic article or report. Also nVidia just released their behemoth of a GTX 295, while we are still waiting for ATIs next card to be released.
My point is, that if you go to another site, Toms Hardware, you'll get a very different look on the GPU market today. So what I'm saying is you can't take any one site as the universal fact on how the GPU market stands.
Furthermore as already posted, which you somehow simply ignore, ATI is moving forward with physics offering most developers hardware support for a SDK they have experience with.
Sir_Drip: What are you talking about? Nobody is adding Physx on top of the catalyst drivers.
Both of you: You really should stop the e-peen comparing name calling shit. It's getting old and it's only making you look bad. You talk about experience is everything, but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
thank you for this gem
but then NONE of you should be talking about, say CUDA, because you don't have experience in developing with it, or even remotely an understanding of how physics are computated. That doesn't mean you can't gain a respectable knowledge about it(like most tech sites have), but if you were to talk about CUDA then, you would be hypocrits for NOT letting other people discuss cards above their own.
if this was the truth of how things are... and should be...
Seeing how you havent up graded you PC for yearrrrs. how could you even be in this debate...lol
you just gave us more ammo, to shoot all you down with. You notice that NONE of you on the ATI side, even have the Hardwear in question.... And yet your all are stateing about the perforamnce of this hardwear.? And all your info, you got from the Web....Hypocrits????? hey im useing your logic...right?
its just as easy for anyone to come in here and state, with one sentance. "thats an ATI bias website."
Does that make it the truth?
How is it possible to completely miss the point of my post? What you just said, you've been saying to everyone here in every thread since I've seen your posts. So if you choose to follow that specific logic (if you have no experience with then you can't have knowledge about it), why should you be able to talk about the importance of GPGPU when you in reality know nothing about physics processing or development. Same goes for PhysX.
I didn't say I've made tests of it. I simply linked to another site, Toms Hardware, which says ATI has best price/performance in most ranges.
"thats an ATI bias website."
As posted not in regards to the performance, as that's probably true. But in regards to that conclusion, which again, as stated concludes shit that haven't been covered in the article what so ever.
I can easily be in this debate as I have more theorical knowledge than you. It's fine you have experience with the products at hand, but don't think for a second I don't know more about, say the core i7 than you, just because I don't own it.
what Set me off, right after the OP...look back... this OP started with a Benchmark.. that was attacked by every ATI fan that had little or no Exp.? and while attacking the OP they Called me out personaly... so when i defend myself... you feel you want to add?. do you know what flip flop means.... You make a statement "if you have never used something you cant talk about it." I tell you to follow your own advice.. you say "yes i havent used it but, i can talk about it, and i could know more than you"?????
but your OS was " you cant talk about something unless you have used it????? do i need to draw you a picture.
I dont care how you word it its still BS.
So you can think you know more than me, thats ok... But if someone thinks they know more than you... you defend yourself right? Read between the lines, look at that statement from my point of view.? I understand what you are saying, i just dont think you do.
And i dont give a fuck... you come trying to piss in my luck charms... i will fuck you up. im not a pussy like most in RL.
PS : I dont know anything about A GPU doing a CPUs Job????
Read back...(reader) and you will see the test that i did with the Tech we are talking about...
You know what 99% of all this fighting is... you all only read the last thing post and the quote... you have no idea who started this fight.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
