Dont know how to answer that other than to tell you that i logged in for the last week i played with a 51 hunter and could not find a group doing anything in Angmar, and that was logging in on a daily basis although i didnt stand around for hours waiting it was quite a bit longer than 5 sec. Another player i know/knew was having the same problems at nearly that level as well. I do not know if he is still playing or not but i do know we both noticed several people on our friends list hadnt been on for days and some for weeks at the time i left the game and they too were near level cap. As has been said before, at the lower levels groups are plentiful but not so at the higher end.
I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Really. There seems to be a huge wave of BS in this thread.
I see a lot of people talking about how they don't like this game anymore or bored with it and unable to put their finger on exactly why. Well I am 100% convinced that it's the grouping for quest problem, NO ONE IS EVER ON THE SAME PAGE with doing group quest or Dungeon quest.,,,, You are forced to play alone, bottom line !!.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
Dont know how to answer that other than to tell you that i logged in for the last week i played with a 51 hunter and could not find a group doing anything in Angmar, and that was logging in on a daily basis although i didnt stand around for hours waiting it was quite a bit longer than 5 sec. Another player i know/knew was having the same problems at nearly that level as well. I do not know if he is still playing or not but i do know we both noticed several people on our friends list hadnt been on for days and some for weeks at the time i left the game and they too were near level cap. As has been said before, at the lower levels groups are plentiful but not so at the higher end.
So what about your fellowship? No one has an alt or two that they can join with you to help you out in a quest?
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I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Really. There seems to be a huge wave of BS in this thread.
I see a lot of people talking about how they don't like this game anymore or bored with it and unable to put their finger on exactly why. Well I am 100% convinced that it's the grouping for quest problem, NO ONE IS EVER ON THE SAME PAGE with doing group quest or Dungeon quest.,,,, You are forced to play alone, bottom line !!.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Dont know how to answer that other than to tell you that i logged in for the last week i played with a 51 hunter and could not find a group doing anything in Angmar, and that was logging in on a daily basis although i didnt stand around for hours waiting it was quite a bit longer than 5 sec. Another player i know/knew was having the same problems at nearly that level as well. I do not know if he is still playing or not but i do know we both noticed several people on our friends list hadnt been on for days and some for weeks at the time i left the game and they too were near level cap. As has been said before, at the lower levels groups are plentiful but not so at the higher end.
I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
So, Angmar is dead and since my hunter has a class quest there that cannot be done because it takes a group to get into the target area, you suggest , rolling another toon as an option? My option was to go to a different game.
Look, i understand, some days are better than others, sure. Different servers are different, depending on time zones, many, many factors. However, to blanket the entire game as "Grouping is broken" or "no one groups". No, sorry.
I will, if anyone wishes to join me, show you how easy it is to get a group, unlike some, i will put up or shut up. Come join me on brandywine, ill show you how i get groups, groups just as i described.
I would love someone to tell me how, HOW it is even possible, with things such as a great community, an awesome quest log that shows what the name of the quest chain, and what step others in your group are on, and a good balance of group VS. solo quests, has MORE issues with grouping than other games.
Logic?
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That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
Still, a kinship would solve 90% of any FS quest issues. Mine does solve them 100%. Still, I play in PUG's 90%, because it's so easy. If the OP or anyone says that kinships don't solve the issue (which he did), then it's clearly BS. OR, there are other, personal issues. Better check one's own approach to socializing before cyring loud.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I am on Silverlode which is a low pop server and have characters from low 20's to 60. I don't seem to have a problem grouping, of course I make a effort to ask people and behave in a cordial manner. I don't claim the game is perfect either, bugs happen, class imbalances happen, Turbine is pretty spot on about fixing issues in a reasonable time period . Can't as for much more in my opinion.
I am on Silverlode which is a low pop server and have characters from low 20's to 60. I don't seem to have a problem grouping, of course I make a effort to ask people and behave in a cordial manner.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Really. There seems to be a huge wave of BS in this thread.
I see a lot of people talking about how they don't like this game anymore or bored with it and unable to put their finger on exactly why. Well I am 100% convinced that it's the grouping for quest problem, NO ONE IS EVER ON THE SAME PAGE with doing group quest or Dungeon quest.,,,, You are forced to play alone, bottom line !!.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
Show me where i said anything was perfect.
I'm not dismissing anything, i am attempting to temper some of the wild accusations and exaggeration.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Dont know how to answer that other than to tell you that i logged in for the last week i played with a 51 hunter and could not find a group doing anything in Angmar, and that was logging in on a daily basis although i didnt stand around for hours waiting it was quite a bit longer than 5 sec. Another player i know/knew was having the same problems at nearly that level as well. I do not know if he is still playing or not but i do know we both noticed several people on our friends list hadnt been on for days and some for weeks at the time i left the game and they too were near level cap. As has been said before, at the lower levels groups are plentiful but not so at the higher end.
I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
So, Angmar is dead and since my hunter has a class quest there that cannot be done because it takes a group to get into the target area, you suggest , rolling another toon as an option? My option was to go to a different game.
No.
My suggestion is: ask your kinship to help.
If it's the lvl 45 class quest, then you need items, that only drop from elite master mobs, right? You can probably buy them in the AH as a last resort, but If you were in my kinship, we could sort this out tonight, in 2 hrs time (when I get back home
I only suggested rolling another toon if you'd like to be successful in finding PUG's quickly, generally through the game, anywhere.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I am on Silverlode which is a low pop server and have characters from low 20's to 60. I don't seem to have a problem grouping, of course I make a effort to ask people and behave in a cordial manner.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
You are putting words in someone's mouth, that does not indicate a manner in which you can easily find PUG's in a game either... but let's not go down that road. My suggestion stands: have a good kinship.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks.
I was referring to those that have gone off the deep end to say "Grouping is broken" and "No one groups in this game". Not level headed people who say that they sometimes have issues finding groups on a low pop server.
That's just reality. And it can be found in any game, some, more than others.
EDIT: MY Kinship also stocks class quest items in the kin hall for any member to take. We also regularly farm areas for books, pages, and class drops. Grandpaw, you are more than welcome to come join us.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Really. There seems to be a huge wave of BS in this thread.
I see a lot of people talking about how they don't like this game anymore or bored with it and unable to put their finger on exactly why. Well I am 100% convinced that it's the grouping for quest problem, NO ONE IS EVER ON THE SAME PAGE with doing group quest or Dungeon quest.,,,, You are forced to play alone, bottom line !!.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
Show me where i said anything was perfect.
I'm not dismissing anything, i am attempting to temper some of the wild accusations and exaggeration.
I get that and can sympathize but when people come in here and say things like grouping is fine everywhere and try acting like something that pops up quite often if you look around and constantly dismiss it - to me that's as bad as goofballs that come in here with the sole purpose of slamming the game or simply trolling. Maybe you aren't but sure seems like some of you guys are when it comes to this. Not trying to pick on anyone but that's the way it comes across least to me.
Has the same effect, misinforms other people and presents a false picture of what is really going on.
Although I will say it can be frustrating, I'm sure, at times how set some are on simply trashing something simply because for whatever reason they didn't like the game or just to rile people up.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Read just about any other site about LOTRO, and you wont see people saying grouping is broken, only here. I understand grouping can be a pain on lower population servers, but what game is not like this?
Another huge misconception is the holy trinity, its not required here in most cases, so those coming from other games may be frustrated while "looking for a tank/healer" as they sit there and complain, while a captain,rune keeper, loremaster, warden, or champion send them tells.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I've been playing LOTRO since the stress tests. I've never had a problem grouping on Landroval. At any level really, but I'm a soloist most of the times, and generally haven't needed to group. On those few occasions when a kinship quest isn't soloable, never had a problem getting some help. Though, of all games, why would you be concerned about grouping in this one? I've soloed to 60, easily.
I am on Silverlode which is a low pop server and have characters from low 20's to 60. I don't seem to have a problem grouping, of course I make a effort to ask people and behave in a cordial manner.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
not sure how you read that into my post but it could be just that some people are shy. Ask for a group politely or as others are suggesting find a good kinship and you should not have a problem finding groups. From my experience LoTRO has one of the most mature and polite communities there is. I have had a couple of bad PUG's but thankfully I can count them on one hand and have a few fingers left over.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth I'm sorry, but WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT?
Really. There seems to be a huge wave of BS in this thread.
I see a lot of people talking about how they don't like this game anymore or bored with it and unable to put their finger on exactly why. Well I am 100% convinced that it's the grouping for quest problem, NO ONE IS EVER ON THE SAME PAGE with doing group quest or Dungeon quest.,,,, You are forced to play alone, bottom line !!.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is. This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves. I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them. Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
I find it absurd that you accuse people who have a hard time finding groups for higher end quests of being short on patience and/or rude, or only in it for themselves. What is that based on? That's just an asinine thing to say. No one is saying it's impossible to find groups, at least not me. What's being said is that it's harder to find PUGs for higher end quests including the epic quest line. Hard enough that you simply give up on it and continue with more solo quests.
Finding PUG's is also talked about on the LotRO forums. Claiming it's only complained about here is a flat out lie, or at best a completely uninformed opinion. Do a search for "finding PUGs" on the LotRO forums for example.
Seriously, LotRO's a great game that has issues. You've admitted this already. Attacking people who all share the same experience in a game as rude, selfish, impatient complainers is completely uncalled for and a HUGE assumption on your part.
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Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks.
I was referring to those that have gone off the deep end to say "Grouping is broken" and "No one groups in this game". Not level headed people who say that they sometimes have issues finding groups on a low pop server.
That's just reality. And it can be found in any game, some, more than others.
EDIT: MY Kinship also stocks class quest items in the kin hall for any member to take. We also regularly farm areas for books, pages, and class drops. Grandpaw, you are more than welcome to come join us.
Yeah..but it can be game breaking especially in a game like this where one of the reasons this game shines is its epic quest story line. As to your other post where you refer to grouping being broken only being complained about here I've seen it complained about other places and I tell them the same there that I do here. Grouping is not broken in this game but the problem is the population disparity on some servers is rather severe so the best one can suggest is trying to help them find methods they may not have used to try and help them or (much as I hate to say it) reroll on a server that has a population (Brandy, Lan, or Ele imo) that makes finding groups easier especially if your play hours are off from what the norm from your current server's average main traffic hours.
It is an issue in this game. A rather large one that has caused many people to quit. Caused me to quit the first time and the second time when I tried coming back because I was stupid enough to try giving it a go on the same server. Now? I started on a completely different server, It's like playing a different freakin' game because none of the group problems exist at all on this one. It's great and more than likely I'll be able to play the game the way it was intended.
Does that mean you're guaranteed to fail if you start on one of the less populated servers? No...but it certainly increases your chances unless you're starting with a group of friends, happen to meet vets that are making a new toon, or run into helpful people like Jackdog appears to be or a well established kin.
I can fully sympathize with grandpa and others with his sentiment because I've been there and know it's an issue because it happened to me. Hell, most of the lower level players in the kin I'm in now are prior players just coming back that quit in the past for the exact same reason I did. Kind of cool really but that's besides the point.
I suppose the thing that really pisses me off about it is it could actually be fixed if they would just combine some damn servers so some aren't so empty.
...and what pisses me off even more is I rather suspect they're aware of this but simply won't do it because they don't want to create any bad PR even though in the long run , in my opinion, it would not only benefit the game and the players but would increase the population even more. Of course, in the short run you would have the bad PR, some people would quit, and a wonderful bunch of asshats that would come to forums like these to make heartwarming topics like : "omg haHA wtFbbq....fanbois yor game toasted hahaha".
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I think we would at least all agree that if you play on a low pop server you may have issues getting PuGs in less popular zones, particularly if you don't typically play at prime time or on the weekends. So if grouping is important to you, play on a more popular server or (preferably) start looking out for a good KS as soon as possible.
If you play on a server that appears to be dead in out the way areas when you play, and don't get into a KS that is focused on helping new players and alts...don't be surprised if you have trouble getting into some of the harder endgame content. Multi hour instances like CD particularly. To me that seems like common sense, it's very similar to how I approach most MMOs.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I did a little poll to describe how the Lotro fans control this site, I was gonna name names but that would cause an un-needed skyrocket of arguments, so I will just give them letters :
Poster times posted view
A 8x fan that does not see a prob.
B 5x fan that does not see a prob.
C 7x fan that does not see a prob.
D 2x fan that does not see a prob.
E 5x fan that does not see a prob.
F 4x sees a problem with grouping
G 2x sees a problem with grouping
H,I,J,K,L,M 1x each neutral
Fan's A,B,C,D,E overwhelmed and Skewed the Original Topic in their direction, as they do in all LOTRO post. To make the 631- viewers believe their is not a problem with grouping.
If everyone was to only POST ONE time it would be :
5 fans that does not see a prob.
2 sees a problem with grouping
6 neutral
HOWEVER you must take into account that Fans are always the most vocal, make the largest statements, and combat anything negative about their game, IN EVERY FORUM TOPIC for all games.
I don't really care, I made my statement of my opinion, I would like to just point out how forums work for all games.
I've been playing LOTRO since the stress tests. I've never had a problem grouping on Landroval. At any level really, but I'm a soloist most of the times, and generally haven't needed to group. On those few occasions when a kinship quest isn't soloable, never had a problem getting some help. Though, of all games, why would you be concerned about grouping in this one? I've soloed to 60, easily.
Come on man...we all know the ones having issues are not playing Brandywine, Landroval, or Elendilmir, and the best quests in this game tend to be the ones you group for so that would be why it is a concern to them.
Yeah if they were playing on Landroval and they had this complaint then I would agree but...seriously...
If some of you want to continue to think they're being crybabies or must just be jerks in game then fantastic. All the more power to you. Why you would deny this when it comes up over and over again to me seems rather silly but then again if I would have been more fortunate in my first server selection or was lucky enough to have met the right group of people when I began playing maybe I would be the same way.
I didn't though and it's a shame to me that a game this good suffers from this and leads some to have a bad take on the game when it''s a completely fixable issue and under the right circumstances or with the right population levels they would actually really have a blast playing this game.
Hopefully, they'll be like me and after some time come back and research which servers are the ones to play on. Seems some are because like I said the kin I'm in has quite a few returning players that left for the same reason as me and are now back having a good time.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
About a month ago I had to stop playing Vanguard for financial reasons. When that was sorted out I decided not to resubscribe to Vanguard. I thought Vanguard was a great game but it was far too group based. Thats not a problem itself but considering the low population of Vanguard it becomes one. Most of my nights in Vanguard were look for a party for a couple hours while I soloed a bit then log off, I might have stayed on longer to solo if not for the solo questing being subpar. 2 or 3 times a week I would find a party and it was great. Also, the NPCs in Vanguard were a bit goofy at times but I thought the world graphics were incredible. I would extend the view distance as high as it would go then turn off the fog and it was truly a sight to behold.
Page - play what you like and you say you are not trolling but your statements are trollish. After playing the free trial and some fence sitting I decided to subscribe to LotRO and so far I have had few problems. The problems with the Book quests is that I have gone through them too fast and now they are a few levels above me. Other group quests are constantly being formed. I'm only level 25 and havent hit a brick wall in group quests yet and the soloing has also been enjoyable. Soloing has, so far, been productive.
You could say "I like Vanguard more than LotRO, that is my opinion, please do not fault me for it" and end it that way but instead it seems you have started a crusade of sorts against LotRO and anyone that posts for it on this forum.
I must say that in hind sight my post does look somewhat trollish, I did not start out that way but your right. your response was the most level headed of all, and it got to me.
Like I say, it was a hard decision, and may someday come back to LOTRO, cause it looks soooo nice.
I did a little poll to describe how the Lotro fans control this site, I was gonna name names but that would cause an un-needed skyrocket of arguments, so I will just give them letters : Poster times posted view A 8x fan that does not see a prob. B 5x fan that does not see a prob. C 7x fan that does not see a prob. D 2x fan that does not see a prob. E 5x fan that does not see a prob. F 4x sees a problem with grouping G 2x sees a problem with grouping H,I,J,K,L,M 1x each neutral Fan's A,B,C,D,E overwhelmed and Skewed the Original Topic in their direction, as they do in all LOTRO post. To make the 631- viewers believe their is not a problem with grouping. If everyone was to only POST ONE time it would be : 5 fans that does not see a prob. 2 sees a problem with grouping 6 neutral HOWEVER you must take into account that Fans are always the most vocal, make the largest statements, and combat anything negative about their game, IN EVERY FORUM TOPIC for all games. I don't really care, I made my statement of my opinion, I would like to just point out how forums work for all games.
You have stated that you made your decision based on forum comments. On THIS forum's comments, in fact.
Now you have proven that forums are biased, hence useless.
Well done.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
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I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
Dont know how to answer that other than to tell you that i logged in for the last week i played with a 51 hunter and could not find a group doing anything in Angmar, and that was logging in on a daily basis although i didnt stand around for hours waiting it was quite a bit longer than 5 sec. Another player i know/knew was having the same problems at nearly that level as well. I do not know if he is still playing or not but i do know we both noticed several people on our friends list hadnt been on for days and some for weeks at the time i left the game and they too were near level cap. As has been said before, at the lower levels groups are plentiful but not so at the higher end.
So what about your fellowship? No one has an alt or two that they can join with you to help you out in a quest?
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This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
So, Angmar is dead and since my hunter has a class quest there that cannot be done because it takes a group to get into the target area, you suggest , rolling another toon as an option? My option was to go to a different game.
I'm speaking as someone in the higher end.
Look, i understand, some days are better than others, sure. Different servers are different, depending on time zones, many, many factors. However, to blanket the entire game as "Grouping is broken" or "no one groups". No, sorry.
I will, if anyone wishes to join me, show you how easy it is to get a group, unlike some, i will put up or shut up. Come join me on brandywine, ill show you how i get groups, groups just as i described.
I would love someone to tell me how, HOW it is even possible, with things such as a great community, an awesome quest log that shows what the name of the quest chain, and what step others in your group are on, and a good balance of group VS. solo quests, has MORE issues with grouping than other games.
Logic?
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How are you?" -Me
Still, a kinship would solve 90% of any FS quest issues. Mine does solve them 100%. Still, I play in PUG's 90%, because it's so easy. If the OP or anyone says that kinships don't solve the issue (which he did), then it's clearly BS. OR, there are other, personal issues. Better check one's own approach to socializing before cyring loud.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I am on Silverlode which is a low pop server and have characters from low 20's to 60. I don't seem to have a problem grouping, of course I make a effort to ask people and behave in a cordial manner. I don't claim the game is perfect either, bugs happen, class imbalances happen, Turbine is pretty spot on about fixing issues in a reasonable time period . Can't as for much more in my opinion.
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Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
Show me where i said anything was perfect.
I'm not dismissing anything, i am attempting to temper some of the wild accusations and exaggeration.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I highlighted the reasons.
Angmar atm is close to dead. (I hated that zone anyway, when Eregion opened I left it and never looked back.
Besides, hunters are still waaay overpopulated.
Angmar can be better soon, but right not the majority of players are either in Moria, or in the process of leveling up, somwhere btw levels 1-50
Tough luck! Never too late to roll another toon, hunters have always been redundant.....
DB
So, Angmar is dead and since my hunter has a class quest there that cannot be done because it takes a group to get into the target area, you suggest , rolling another toon as an option? My option was to go to a different game.
No.
My suggestion is: ask your kinship to help.
If it's the lvl 45 class quest, then you need items, that only drop from elite master mobs, right? You can probably buy them in the AH as a last resort, but If you were in my kinship, we could sort this out tonight, in 2 hrs time (when I get back home
I only suggested rolling another toon if you'd like to be successful in finding PUG's quickly, generally through the game, anywhere.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
You are putting words in someone's mouth, that does not indicate a manner in which you can easily find PUG's in a game either... but let's not go down that road. My suggestion stands: have a good kinship.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks.
I was referring to those that have gone off the deep end to say "Grouping is broken" and "No one groups in this game". Not level headed people who say that they sometimes have issues finding groups on a low pop server.
That's just reality. And it can be found in any game, some, more than others.
EDIT: MY Kinship also stocks class quest items in the kin hall for any member to take. We also regularly farm areas for books, pages, and class drops. Grandpaw, you are more than welcome to come join us.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
That isn't entirely true. If you guys want to really help convince others about things then you might want to stop acting like things are perfect every where because it just isn't true. There are issues people have on the less populated servers that do making grouping a real pain in the ass especially at the higher levels. I get that you aren't having this problem but I'm also willing to bet you mainly play on Brandywine. That server Lan, Ele, and maybe one or two more are fine for grouping like you guys say but that isn't how it goes for a lot of people on other servers.
You would be a lot better off treating it from that point of view rather than trying to dismiss the issue enitirely because much as I love this game that is a real issue some players have and it has nothing to do with their attitude or play style.
Show me where i said anything was perfect.
I'm not dismissing anything, i am attempting to temper some of the wild accusations and exaggeration.
I get that and can sympathize but when people come in here and say things like grouping is fine everywhere and try acting like something that pops up quite often if you look around and constantly dismiss it - to me that's as bad as goofballs that come in here with the sole purpose of slamming the game or simply trolling. Maybe you aren't but sure seems like some of you guys are when it comes to this. Not trying to pick on anyone but that's the way it comes across least to me.
Has the same effect, misinforms other people and presents a false picture of what is really going on.
Although I will say it can be frustrating, I'm sure, at times how set some are on simply trashing something simply because for whatever reason they didn't like the game or just to rile people up.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Read just about any other site about LOTRO, and you wont see people saying grouping is broken, only here. I understand grouping can be a pain on lower population servers, but what game is not like this?
Another huge misconception is the holy trinity, its not required here in most cases, so those coming from other games may be frustrated while "looking for a tank/healer" as they sit there and complain, while a captain,rune keeper, loremaster, warden, or champion send them tells.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I've been playing LOTRO since the stress tests. I've never had a problem grouping on Landroval. At any level really, but I'm a soloist most of the times, and generally haven't needed to group. On those few occasions when a kinship quest isn't soloable, never had a problem getting some help. Though, of all games, why would you be concerned about grouping in this one? I've soloed to 60, easily.
Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks. Fact is LOTRO is a good game but im not fanboi enough to overlook the obvious problems it does have.
not sure how you read that into my post but it could be just that some people are shy. Ask for a group politely or as others are suggesting find a good kinship and you should not have a problem finding groups. From my experience LoTRO has one of the most mature and polite communities there is. I have had a couple of bad PUG's but thankfully I can count them on one hand and have a few fingers left over.
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This right here, this simply is not true, no matter how many times people on this forum say it is. People in this game CONTINUOUSLY group when needed, and HELP each other catch up if they are not. Including myself. You are not forced to play alone, you are choosing to do so because you yourself are only concerned with what you want to do, no two ways about it. I have grouped many times right when i log on, and then most of my game time is questing with the same group of helpful people, we do their quests, some of mine, sometimes we bang out some peoples who are farther back so we can all tackle what ever it is.
This is with PUGS. This is the culture of the game. Its not full of catass achievers that only care about themselves.
I am completely convinced anyone who says they have issue grouping, are rather very short with people, or are rude in the request. Most likely you said "1.2.3" in the LFF chat, and then complained 5 seconds later no one contacted you. Or, you have invited others they said "can you help with X really quick and then we will be on the same part " and you booted them.
Maybe this is just an issue with the codemasters server or something, but the US server are just fine, there is nothing wrong with grouping except for possibly, your ability to play with others.
I find it absurd that you accuse people who have a hard time finding groups for higher end quests of being short on patience and/or rude, or only in it for themselves. What is that based on? That's just an asinine thing to say. No one is saying it's impossible to find groups, at least not me. What's being said is that it's harder to find PUGs for higher end quests including the epic quest line. Hard enough that you simply give up on it and continue with more solo quests.
Finding PUG's is also talked about on the LotRO forums. Claiming it's only complained about here is a flat out lie, or at best a completely uninformed opinion. Do a search for "finding PUGs" on the LotRO forums for example.
Seriously, LotRO's a great game that has issues. You've admitted this already. Attacking people who all share the same experience in a game as rude, selfish, impatient complainers is completely uncalled for and a HUGE assumption on your part.
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Yes and most of us who have seen grouping problems in the game are antisocial pricks.
I was referring to those that have gone off the deep end to say "Grouping is broken" and "No one groups in this game". Not level headed people who say that they sometimes have issues finding groups on a low pop server.
That's just reality. And it can be found in any game, some, more than others.
EDIT: MY Kinship also stocks class quest items in the kin hall for any member to take. We also regularly farm areas for books, pages, and class drops. Grandpaw, you are more than welcome to come join us.
Yeah..but it can be game breaking especially in a game like this where one of the reasons this game shines is its epic quest story line. As to your other post where you refer to grouping being broken only being complained about here I've seen it complained about other places and I tell them the same there that I do here. Grouping is not broken in this game but the problem is the population disparity on some servers is rather severe so the best one can suggest is trying to help them find methods they may not have used to try and help them or (much as I hate to say it) reroll on a server that has a population (Brandy, Lan, or Ele imo) that makes finding groups easier especially if your play hours are off from what the norm from your current server's average main traffic hours.
It is an issue in this game. A rather large one that has caused many people to quit. Caused me to quit the first time and the second time when I tried coming back because I was stupid enough to try giving it a go on the same server. Now? I started on a completely different server, It's like playing a different freakin' game because none of the group problems exist at all on this one. It's great and more than likely I'll be able to play the game the way it was intended.
Does that mean you're guaranteed to fail if you start on one of the less populated servers? No...but it certainly increases your chances unless you're starting with a group of friends, happen to meet vets that are making a new toon, or run into helpful people like Jackdog appears to be or a well established kin.
I can fully sympathize with grandpa and others with his sentiment because I've been there and know it's an issue because it happened to me. Hell, most of the lower level players in the kin I'm in now are prior players just coming back that quit in the past for the exact same reason I did. Kind of cool really but that's besides the point.
I suppose the thing that really pisses me off about it is it could actually be fixed if they would just combine some damn servers so some aren't so empty.
...and what pisses me off even more is I rather suspect they're aware of this but simply won't do it because they don't want to create any bad PR even though in the long run , in my opinion, it would not only benefit the game and the players but would increase the population even more. Of course, in the short run you would have the bad PR, some people would quit, and a wonderful bunch of asshats that would come to forums like these to make heartwarming topics like : "omg haHA wtFbbq....fanbois yor game toasted hahaha".
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I think we would at least all agree that if you play on a low pop server you may have issues getting PuGs in less popular zones, particularly if you don't typically play at prime time or on the weekends. So if grouping is important to you, play on a more popular server or (preferably) start looking out for a good KS as soon as possible.
If you play on a server that appears to be dead in out the way areas when you play, and don't get into a KS that is focused on helping new players and alts...don't be surprised if you have trouble getting into some of the harder endgame content. Multi hour instances like CD particularly. To me that seems like common sense, it's very similar to how I approach most MMOs.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
I did a little poll to describe how the Lotro fans control this site, I was gonna name names but that would cause an un-needed skyrocket of arguments, so I will just give them letters :
Poster times posted view
A 8x fan that does not see a prob.
B 5x fan that does not see a prob.
C 7x fan that does not see a prob.
D 2x fan that does not see a prob.
E 5x fan that does not see a prob.
F 4x sees a problem with grouping
G 2x sees a problem with grouping
H,I,J,K,L,M 1x each neutral
Fan's A,B,C,D,E overwhelmed and Skewed the Original Topic in their direction, as they do in all LOTRO post. To make the 631- viewers believe their is not a problem with grouping.
If everyone was to only POST ONE time it would be :
5 fans that does not see a prob.
2 sees a problem with grouping
6 neutral
HOWEVER you must take into account that Fans are always the most vocal, make the largest statements, and combat anything negative about their game, IN EVERY FORUM TOPIC for all games.
I don't really care, I made my statement of my opinion, I would like to just point out how forums work for all games.
Come on man...we all know the ones having issues are not playing Brandywine, Landroval, or Elendilmir, and the best quests in this game tend to be the ones you group for so that would be why it is a concern to them.
Yeah if they were playing on Landroval and they had this complaint then I would agree but...seriously...
If some of you want to continue to think they're being crybabies or must just be jerks in game then fantastic. All the more power to you. Why you would deny this when it comes up over and over again to me seems rather silly but then again if I would have been more fortunate in my first server selection or was lucky enough to have met the right group of people when I began playing maybe I would be the same way.
I didn't though and it's a shame to me that a game this good suffers from this and leads some to have a bad take on the game when it''s a completely fixable issue and under the right circumstances or with the right population levels they would actually really have a blast playing this game.
Hopefully, they'll be like me and after some time come back and research which servers are the ones to play on. Seems some are because like I said the kin I'm in has quite a few returning players that left for the same reason as me and are now back having a good time.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
About a month ago I had to stop playing Vanguard for financial reasons. When that was sorted out I decided not to resubscribe to Vanguard.
I thought Vanguard was a great game but it was far too group based. Thats not a problem itself but considering the low population of Vanguard it becomes one. Most of my nights in Vanguard were look for a party for a couple hours while I soloed a bit then log off, I might have stayed on longer to solo if not for the solo questing being subpar. 2 or 3 times a week I would find a party and it was great.
Also, the NPCs in Vanguard were a bit goofy at times but I thought the world graphics were incredible. I would extend the view distance as high as it would go then turn off the fog and it was truly a sight to behold.
Page - play what you like and you say you are not trolling but your statements are trollish.
After playing the free trial and some fence sitting I decided to subscribe to LotRO and so far I have had few problems. The problems with the Book quests is that I have gone through them too fast and now they are a few levels above me. Other group quests are constantly being formed. I'm only level 25 and havent hit a brick wall in group quests yet and the soloing has also been enjoyable. Soloing has, so far, been productive.
You could say "I like Vanguard more than LotRO, that is my opinion, please do not fault me for it" and end it that way but instead it seems you have started a crusade of sorts against LotRO and anyone that posts for it on this forum.
Your right Xiaoki,
I must say that in hind sight my post does look somewhat trollish, I did not start out that way but your right. your response was the most level headed of all, and it got to me.
Like I say, it was a hard decision, and may someday come back to LOTRO, cause it looks soooo nice.
So thanks Xiaoki
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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You have stated that you made your decision based on forum comments. On THIS forum's comments, in fact.
Now you have proven that forums are biased, hence useless.
Well done.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.