The only place that I should have to go to get knowledge about the game is the website and the features listed. Anything else is false advertising and a SCAM, here let me spell that for you again Darth, S C A M ! ! !
No one, but no one ever expects to have to go to the forums and various discussions to learn about a games features. Expecting someone to do that while advertising other information on your site is patently fraudulent and illegal in the US and probably most civilized countries. Please oh please AV open a server in the US so that your horrid excuse of a game can finally get its just deserts in the American Judicial system.
i don't think you know what scam means cause according to you every advertisement ever shown on US TV is a scam.
just like RL, you're expected to have some semblance of intelligence in discerning what is real and what's market-speak.
ps: darkfall rocks.
scam + false advertisement.
i have a product. i put up an official website with all the features of my product listed. i start selling my product sans 30 out of 40 features (means my product only has 10 of the features listed on my official website, which is tied directly to my product/company)... i am SELLING this product, while my site is advertising something entirely different.
after a few months pass, i update my website slightly, now it only lists about 15 features not included in the product.
that is exactly what you have here with darkfall. you're expected to understand that false advertisement is ILLEGAL in the U.S.A.
i do not think 'scam' means what you think it means.
by the by, false advertisement is illegal (i.e. against the LAW) here in the United States. just want to re-emphasize that point.
you're obviously quite young. go ahead and try to make a claim, DF is sold in the US, so you can try, you won't get anywhere though. just turn on the tv right now, and watch how many products make bold, unsubstantiated claims. <<< name them please.
for one thing, you have ZERO to complain about before the product's release. <<so it's sold in the US, or it's not released in the US... can't be both.
for another, there is a TONS of information out in the public domain that details the state of the game prior to release. to a reasonable person, the current web-site information is accurate for the game and well within the level of puff that is expected for advertising material. <<the website is slowly being updated. the game advertised on the official website had the name "darkfall" in common with the actual game that was released. stop lying.
you're just naive and trying to make drama, as usual. << interesting how you opened and closed your post with personal attacks. made a lot of statements, without backing ANY of them up. and then simply lied. wtf over.
is that why they're on the visa watchlist? cuz no one has been complaining to the BBB or filing any official complaints with popos? ouch, care to tell untruths to disprove that one as well?
and out of curiousity, since you act like you know a lot, even though you contradicted yourself while making the last post... is the game released to the US? or is it only released to euro types? is there an NA server, as in something physically over here, where actions can be taken? or is it considered to be elsewhere, or falls into that "offshore" category that can't be yet prosecuted?
come on now, since i don't know anything - please elaborate on the specifics in regards to actions that can be taken now... and actions that can be taken if they rent a server farm on US soil...
also, please elaborate on the apparent contradictions, untruths, mis-statements, and vague comments in your above post.
thanks in advance for your help.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You ignored the source them saying hirelings and pets and summoned creatures are not needed to fight for you (no pets, no armies of summoned minions, no hired NPC) ?
You ignored the source them saying no drops on the ground cause just rob resources (so no fluff stuff like traps etc)
You also missed these sentence in a Q&A session "There were more hitboxes available but not anymore and this was done for practical reasons".
You also must have missed the answer about the reasons them prefer universal banks over local banks and why and them saying no caravans.
In short you should be more read and prepare yourself then chit-chat in forums without knowledge.
Are you claiming that short list of yours represents everything hyped on their site and by Tasos/AV for all those months that never made it into the game, some of which are still listed on the site as features?
I've seen the lists made (by others playing the game) of what's hyped/advertised versus what's there, posted right on these forums. They've been copied-and-pasted and cross-referenced multiple times in other threads. And they're *far* longer than your list of conveniently cherry-picked items here.
What AV hyped for *months*, what they continue to advertise on their site (even after removing or altering some items over time), and what they actually "released" are two different things. There is no denying this.... so stop trying. And, no, that "they're not important to you personally" does not cut it. Telling people "well you have to read the forums" does not cut it; that's a blatant apologist cop-out, nothing more.
Yet *again*, Darth, you are being deliberately and intellectually dishonest in your post.
Question, rhetorical though it may be: Are you ever going to submit a single honest post on these forums that isn't full of spin or lies? Ever?
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Seriously we have heard this argument over and over again for many games.....so if it's illegal go sue them! i dare you. If it is so obvious go do it...haha dont be stupid of course you wont or anyone else for that matter because anyone knows you wouldnt stand a chance...so everyone should stop trying to show how clever they are and realise that no matter how you explain it, no one and i mean no one is going to take AV to court for false advertising and get anything...SIMPLE! If i am proven wrong then i will come back and apologise but i really doubt that and deep down you all know it too!
proof or stfu. what games exactly? stop making blanket statements without qualifying them.
You are joking arent you? you want me to prove that little statement i just made? why? i am not going to trawl through old threads looking for them, that's just a sad thing for sad people to do. if you dont believe me, then ok dont! i dont really care Damian7. i recently apologised to you in a private post for being too harsh towards you...which i know you read as you answered it...but now i wonder why i apologised.
Are you going to show me proof that gaming industries have been taken to a court of law and sued for not being feature complete at release? if not then same to you kiddo!
Why you constantly like to attack people i dont know but seriously mate calm the hell down. why do you always have something to prove?
EDIT: this is a forum, you dont need to PROVE anything!
no one has made those statements about other games - i'm calling you out on the statement. it's a false statement. use factual information to back your claims. i've only noticed these statements in regards to darkfall.
don't come to the darkfall forums and make untruthful statements to support anything negative or positive, in regards to darkfall - we darkfall players are sick and tired of the lies on this forum.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Seriously we have heard this argument over and over again for many games.....so if it's illegal go sue them! i dare you. If it is so obvious go do it...haha dont be stupid of course you wont or anyone else for that matter because anyone knows you wouldnt stand a chance...so everyone should stop trying to show how clever they are and realise that no matter how you explain it, no one and i mean no one is going to take AV to court for false advertising and get anything...SIMPLE! If i am proven wrong then i will come back and apologise but i really doubt that and deep down you all know it too!
proof or stfu. what games exactly? stop making blanket statements without qualifying them.
You are joking arent you? you want me to prove that little statement i just made? why? i am not going to trawl through old threads looking for them, that's just a sad thing for sad people to do. if you dont believe me, then ok dont! i dont really care Damian7. i recently apologised to you in a private post for being too harsh towards you...which i know you read as you answered it...but now i wonder why i apologised.
Are you going to show me proof that gaming industries have been taken to a court of law and sued for not being feature complete at release? if not then same to you kiddo!
Why you constantly like to attack people i dont know but seriously mate calm the hell down. why do you always have something to prove?
EDIT: this is a forum, you dont need to PROVE anything!
no one has made those statements about other games - i'm calling you out on the statement. it's a false statement. use factual information to back your claims. i've only noticed these statements in regards to darkfall.
don't come to the darkfall forums and make untruthful statements to support anything negative or positive, in regards to darkfall - we darkfall players are sick and tired of the lies on this forum.
It may be false to you but just because someone does not trawl old threads to back up every statement they make does not mean they are lieing! surely even you can see that? i made that statement because i honestly believe i have read more than a few threads not just here but elswhere about the same argument. Now if you think i am a lier then to be honest Damian7 i dont care, your'e not nearly clever enough to make me feel the need to prove you wrong! to me you are just an obsessive DF basher....for god sake man get a grip!
And please dont class yourself as "we darkfall players" because you dont represent the darkfall community. All you do is preach how bad it is, and not even in a constructive way like the real players do.....go to general tab in darkfall forum and see how many posts Damian7 has made today on DF...now find a positive one...you will see what i mean this guy is sick in the head with his DF obsession! i really can't understand why you even bother playing it still lol?
We the Darkfall players are sick to death of people like you trying thier very best to destroy whats left of darkfall and drive others away....Please i beg you stop!
Originally posted by shukes33 It may be false to you but just because someone does not trawl old threads to back up every statement they make does not mean they are lieing! surely even you can see that? i made that statement because i honestly believe i have read more than a few threads not just here but elswhere about the same argument. Now if you think i am a lier then to be honest Damian7 i dont care, your'e not nearly clever enough to make me feel the need to prove you wrong! to me you are just an obsessive DF basher....for god sake man get a grip! And please dont class yourself as "we darkfall players" because you dont represent the darkfall community. All you do is preach how bad it is, and not even in a constructive way like the real players do.....go to general tab in darkfall forum and see how many posts Damian7 has made today on DF...now find a positive one...you will see what i mean this guy is sick in the head with his DF obsession! i really can't understand why you even bother playing it still lol? We the Darkfall players are sick to death of people like you trying thier very best to destroy whats left of darkfall and drive others away....Please i beg you stop!
We rational people would like you to either back up an argument with fact, or shut the f*ck up.
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i don't think you know what scam means cause according to you every advertisement ever shown on US TV is a scam.
just like RL, you're expected to have some semblance of intelligence in discerning what is real and what's market-speak.
ps: darkfall rocks.
scam + false advertisement.
i have a product. i put up an official website with all the features of my product listed. i start selling my product sans 30 out of 40 features (means my product only has 10 of the features listed on my official website, which is tied directly to my product/company)... i am SELLING this product, while my site is advertising something entirely different.
after a few months pass, i update my website slightly, now it only lists about 15 features not included in the product.
that is exactly what you have here with darkfall. you're expected to understand that false advertisement is ILLEGAL in the U.S.A.
i do not think 'scam' means what you think it means.
by the by, false advertisement is illegal (i.e. against the LAW) here in the United States. just want to re-emphasize that point.
you're obviously quite young. go ahead and try to make a claim, DF is sold in the US, so you can try, you won't get anywhere though. just turn on the tv right now, and watch how many products make bold, unsubstantiated claims. <<< name them please.
for one thing, you have ZERO to complain about before the product's release. <<so it's sold in the US, or it's not released in the US... can't be both.
for another, there is a TONS of information out in the public domain that details the state of the game prior to release. to a reasonable person, the current web-site information is accurate for the game and well within the level of puff that is expected for advertising material. <<the website is slowly being updated. the game advertised on the official website had the name "darkfall" in common with the actual game that was released. stop lying.
you're just naive and trying to make drama, as usual. << interesting how you opened and closed your post with personal attacks. made a lot of statements, without backing ANY of them up. and then simply lied. wtf over.
is that why they're on the visa watchlist? cuz no one has been complaining to the BBB or filing any official complaints with popos? ouch, care to tell untruths to disprove that one as well?
and out of curiousity, since you act like you know a lot, even though you contradicted yourself while making the last post... is the game released to the US? or is it only released to euro types? is there an NA server, as in something physically over here, where actions can be taken? or is it considered to be elsewhere, or falls into that "offshore" category that can't be yet prosecuted?
come on now, since i don't know anything - please elaborate on the specifics in regards to actions that can be taken now... and actions that can be taken if they rent a server farm on US soil...
also, please elaborate on the apparent contradictions, untruths, mis-statements, and vague comments in your above post.
thanks in advance for your help.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You ignored the source them saying hirelings and pets and summoned creatures are not needed to fight for you (no pets, no armies of summoned minions, no hired NPC) ?
You ignored the source them saying no drops on the ground cause just rob resources (so no fluff stuff like traps etc)
You also missed these sentence in a Q&A session "There were more hitboxes available but not anymore and this was done for practical reasons".
You also must have missed the answer about the reasons them prefer universal banks over local banks and why and them saying no caravans.
In short you should be more read and prepare yourself then chit-chat in forums without knowledge.
Are you claiming that short list of yours represents everything hyped on their site and by Tasos/AV for all those months that never made it into the game, some of which are still listed on the site as features?
I've seen the lists made (by others playing the game) of what's hyped/advertised versus what's there, posted right on these forums. They've been copied-and-pasted and cross-referenced multiple times in other threads. And they're *far* longer than your list of conveniently cherry-picked items here.
What AV hyped for *months*, what they continue to advertise on their site (even after removing or altering some items over time), and what they actually "released" are two different things. There is no denying this.... so stop trying. And, no, that "they're not important to you personally" does not cut it. Telling people "well you have to read the forums" does not cut it; that's a blatant apologist cop-out, nothing more.
Yet *again*, Darth, you are being deliberately and intellectually dishonest in your post.
Question, rhetorical though it may be: Are you ever going to submit a single honest post on these forums that isn't full of spin or lies? Ever?
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
proof or stfu. what games exactly? stop making blanket statements without qualifying them.
You are joking arent you? you want me to prove that little statement i just made? why? i am not going to trawl through old threads looking for them, that's just a sad thing for sad people to do. if you dont believe me, then ok dont! i dont really care Damian7. i recently apologised to you in a private post for being too harsh towards you...which i know you read as you answered it...but now i wonder why i apologised.
Are you going to show me proof that gaming industries have been taken to a court of law and sued for not being feature complete at release? if not then same to you kiddo!
Why you constantly like to attack people i dont know but seriously mate calm the hell down. why do you always have something to prove?
EDIT: this is a forum, you dont need to PROVE anything!
no one has made those statements about other games - i'm calling you out on the statement. it's a false statement. use factual information to back your claims. i've only noticed these statements in regards to darkfall.
don't come to the darkfall forums and make untruthful statements to support anything negative or positive, in regards to darkfall - we darkfall players are sick and tired of the lies on this forum.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
proof or stfu. what games exactly? stop making blanket statements without qualifying them.
You are joking arent you? you want me to prove that little statement i just made? why? i am not going to trawl through old threads looking for them, that's just a sad thing for sad people to do. if you dont believe me, then ok dont! i dont really care Damian7. i recently apologised to you in a private post for being too harsh towards you...which i know you read as you answered it...but now i wonder why i apologised.
Are you going to show me proof that gaming industries have been taken to a court of law and sued for not being feature complete at release? if not then same to you kiddo!
Why you constantly like to attack people i dont know but seriously mate calm the hell down. why do you always have something to prove?
EDIT: this is a forum, you dont need to PROVE anything!
no one has made those statements about other games - i'm calling you out on the statement. it's a false statement. use factual information to back your claims. i've only noticed these statements in regards to darkfall.
don't come to the darkfall forums and make untruthful statements to support anything negative or positive, in regards to darkfall - we darkfall players are sick and tired of the lies on this forum.
It may be false to you but just because someone does not trawl old threads to back up every statement they make does not mean they are lieing! surely even you can see that? i made that statement because i honestly believe i have read more than a few threads not just here but elswhere about the same argument. Now if you think i am a lier then to be honest Damian7 i dont care, your'e not nearly clever enough to make me feel the need to prove you wrong! to me you are just an obsessive DF basher....for god sake man get a grip!
And please dont class yourself as "we darkfall players" because you dont represent the darkfall community. All you do is preach how bad it is, and not even in a constructive way like the real players do.....go to general tab in darkfall forum and see how many posts Damian7 has made today on DF...now find a positive one...you will see what i mean this guy is sick in the head with his DF obsession! i really can't understand why you even bother playing it still lol?
We the Darkfall players are sick to death of people like you trying thier very best to destroy whats left of darkfall and drive others away....Please i beg you stop!
We rational people would like you to either back up an argument with fact, or shut the f*ck up.