Originally posted by Sacfed Originally posted by JBO1 Censorship?? This isn't a public place, my understanding is that censorship , Constitutionally wise is only protected in a public place not a private site like this one. I may be wrong though...I have been before. If MMORPG.com wants to delete a post because they feel it is inappropriate thats their right on their private site. Afterall we don't pay for our subscription here...My opinion on the subject.Censorship has nothing to do with the a constitution. What the heck are you talking about. Censorship is blocking out things that you don't want others to see, plain and simple. If MMORPG wants to delete a post go for it. Thats their choice. Controling their boards thats their business too. This thread is one huge troll. I think what the f bomb guys are saying is that they want a place on this site to say it. BTW MMORPG is making money from us ranting, I guess from advertising and maybe some sort of tracking. Customer demand, or they may go away to another forum. I myself don't want to drop the F bomb or get into a EQ WoW debate. So I don't start them on purpose. (Once I did by accident and it got deleted right away, I felt pretty bad about that my apologies Staff). Anyways give them a place to gather, Please then this thread can end also. P4-3.0HT 800Mhz, RAID0 120's, 1Gb Dual 400Mhz,Toshiba 8X DVD+-,ASUS P4P800 DLX, ATI 9800PRO, 500watt PS. Made by Me in Victoria,BC. Canada
I apologize if I offended in anyway I assumed when they were saying censorship they ment Freedom of Speech. Agreed give them a forum to battle it out...MIGHT solve the problem...have to seeit first to know if it would work, but a least give it a try.
I believe it's a very good system that Admin, Kunou, Enigma, KT, Malkavian and some other mods have implemeneted.
It keeps the site clean, I myself was becoming nautious at seeing all those "OMG JOO R TEH SUX, EQII IS TEH PWNZXZOEOZXOZOXZ OVER JO0Z WOW IS TEH GAYZOXZOEOZX" It really get's annoying after awhile.
besides, this is a site where people are supposed to come for information on various mmorpg's, not meaningless rants written by adolescents that can't spell "the".
I myself have been here since 2002, and have seen the site change a lot. and I assure you, this isn't going "downhill" , this is "enlightening, and cleaning up"
mmorpg.com is a much better place wihtout meaningless threads, and words that are controversial.
Besides, you can curse, you just cannot use really bad curse words, it all makes sense. Just go look up an alternative, and say something like "what the hell" instead of "what the *beep*"
I really like this site, and it is, no doubt, the site i have spent most time on since 2002. I will continue to come here, because the moderators, and admin especially, do a wonderful job of keeping the site clean.
This is their site, and they can do what they want with it. They are protecting members like you and me, and I really don't see the reason to yell at them for doing that.
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oh and you say the site is down a lot? well it is, yes I admit that, but do you know all the people that visit this site per day? it's a LOT, admin posted the statistics once, and I was like "woah"!
That's just my two cents, thanks for being there mmorpg.com! Thank you staff for keeping this a good gaming environment!
Originally posted by MurtBijani I believe it's a very good system that Admin, Kunou, Enigma, KT, Malkavian and some other mods have implemeneted.
Lol, I'm always in that "other" category aren't I.
I think every once and a while especially some of the people posting in this thread need to read the websites rules of conduct, specifically the points:
Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content. Post or transmit sexually explicit images or other content that is deemed by our staff to be offensive. "Spam" by posting frequent and/or annoying messages in the forums or messages not in the topic for that forum (except in such areas where it is clearly indicated that "spamming" is allowed)
"Banable" offenses include, but are not limited to, the above list of activities.
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You people are all missing the point. The point is: you used to be able to freely post what you wanted where you wanted it, have an arguement, discussion whatever, until it was exhausted and people went on their way. If certain threads "bother" the admin so much, move them to the spam forum, lock them like most normal boards do, dont just delete them leaving people to wonder what happened and then start up new posts of the same type.
Now, suddenly after 6+ months of having the word "fu*k" in my sig its now a problem?? Look through all of my posts I dare you to find one where i have used curse words inappropriately. I have never seen a thread deleted before either, until recently. Why the sudden change in standards, THAT is my question.
Why dont we fix things like the post disappearing problem? Or the mid post log out problem? These problems have been around for at least 10 months. Ive seen many posts complaining to the fact. Im not yelling at anyone or mad, Im just frustrated.
BTW Paratrooper, "otherwise objectionable content" is highly subjective. I could say that anything anyone said on any post is objectionable.
PS. I see Murt is being a kiss ass as usual, in hopes of becoming admin one day. (No offence Murt, I think youre a good guy).
""oh and you say the site is down a lot? well it is, yes I admit that, but do you know all the people that visit this site per day? it's a LOT, admin posted the statistics once, and I was like "woah"!""
Have you been on the VN boards? They have ALOT more users and their down time is vrtually non-existant.
Lying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuc|{ is my roof.
What we have to realize is this is simply the way some people express themselves.....
If you are so delicate that occasional swear words or risque sexual innuendo are so offensive that you simply can not bear it Might I suggest that the internet is no place for the likes of you.
This medium is the last bastion of hope for people to freely express their opinions in any way they see fit without the fear of censorship. This being the last unregulated communications tool that the masses have access to we as responsible freedom loving individuals should be defending other peoples right to speak their minds in any way they choose.
It is not my place to force my own moral principals onto other people and to oppress the rights of those who I disagree with. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I don't support their right to say whatever they feel like saying.
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Firstly yes "otherwise objectionable content" may be highly subjective, but it is our decision on what is considered objectionable, once again from a section of the RoC "content that is deemed by our staff to be offensive."
Now in regards to your signature. Having a swear word in your signature automatically means theres a swear word in all 1124 of your posts.... It's just not necessary. I personally don't have a problem with it myself but we have to look out for other people and that is why one of our staff asked you to change it. Basically you just don't need it unless your intentionally trying to annoy people as you keep it there even now.
As for deleting threads, we only do that in cases where things have gone a step to far, Is there any point in leaving a thread in the spam forum with deleted posts? You won't even know what they are talking about because you can't read it. There are a lot of deleted posts and locked threads, but as was said before, people on the forums would see hardly any of them. Just FYI at the moment there are 250 threads in a staff section folder waiting to be deleted and thats from a very short space of time. Now if we were to leave them, the clutter, the abuse and the general crap from those threads overwhelming the forums would indeed send us and the community downhill.
Now with the forums & site going down so often, the latter is a result of something being changed in the coding I believe. As for the forums, they were relatively fine when we had less people, but with more people comes more of the few who complain such as yourself. I don't think I'm allowed to go talking about whats being done in the near future in regards to the forums specifically, but i will say, we have in the past made changes to fix up problems, we still are fixing problems and we will keep fixing problems. Patience is a virtue.
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Originally posted by starman999 This medium is the last bastion of hope for people to freely express their opinions in any way they see fit without the fear of censorship. This being the last unregulated communications tool that the masses have access to we as responsible freedom loving individuals should be defending other peoples right to speak their minds in any way they choose.
I'm not from the USA and i'm not sure but don't you have freedom of speech written into your constitution?
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Gotta love a staffer who belittles the concerns fo those who visit the site
Somehow characterizing someone as being "one of the few complainers" Seems to me to be just a little bit biased. As if there werent several people who have expressed concerns over technical problems this site might have.
You should be a politician sir.
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Yes we do have freedom of speech written into our constitution. Unfortunately it is being quickly done away with by our current power hungry and even in some respects dictatorial government. They have decided that they get to choose what is subversive and what is just free speech.
The consensus of our government officials is that anything that disagrees with or refutes the statements made by or the beliefs held by our governing body are subversive and anything that agrees with or supports their stance is just free speech.
My favorite band was rage against the machine....Go figure.
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"a few" and "several" sound the same to me, yes there are people who have expressed their concerns about the sites technical problems, all I am saying is that things have been fixed and things will be fixed. I have to use these forums as well you know and have to spend a fair amount of time here on a daily basis, yes i've encountered the same problems many times but I don't have any major issues with it. It's funny that in one of the previous posts it wa claimed that murt attempts to "kiss our asses" but out of all the people here, hes been here a very long time and hes used the forums a lot longer than the rest of us.... Out of all the people i'd expect him to be complaining, yet he doesn't because it's not a big deal.
Oh and yes I have considered becoming a politician and yes it's still a possibility.
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If he is "kissing your asses" (your words not mine) Then he certainly would not rock the boat.
Oh and by the way the automatic logout bug just happened to me when I was trying to enter this post. To some people this may not be a big deal but to me I find it extremely annoying. It is a tech problem and it has been around as long as I have. (which according to our register dates is also longer than you)
It deserves to be addressed and not trivialized as though saying it isn't a problem actually makes that statement true.
EDIT: oh and for the record A FEW means 3. Several means more than 3.
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Originally posted by starman999 In answer to your question.... Yes we do have freedom of speech written into our constitution. Unfortunately it is being quickly done away with by our current power hungry and even in some respects dictatorial government. They have decided that they get to choose what is subversive and what is just free speech. The consensus of our government officials is that anything that disagrees with or refutes the statements made by or the beliefs held by our governing body are subversive and anything that agrees with or supports their stance is just free speech. My favorite band was rage against the machine....Go figure.
Well you see thats the thing with democracy, you can vote, and if u don't like either party, well you can always start your own. Just FYI here in Australia we don't acctually have anything written giving us freedom of speech like in your constitution and we don't have any problems regarding that. BTW we also had elections yesterday, Liberals are back again.
One things for sure, you get free speech on this website so long as it isn't deemed highly offensive.
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Originally posted by starman999 Why would murt complain? If he is "kissing your asses" (your words not mine) Then he certainly would not rock the boat. Oh and by the way the automatic logout bug just happened to me when I was trying to enter this post. To some people this may not be a big deal but to me I find it extremely annoying. It is a tech problem and it has been around as long as I have. (which according to our register dates is also longer than you) It deserves to be addressed and not trivialized as though saying it isn't a problem actually makes that statement true. EDIT: oh and for the record A FEW means 3. Several means more than 3.
"It deserves to be addressed and not trivialized as though saying it isn't a problem actually makes that statement true." Ok, now I thought I had made it rather clear in the few posts I had made in this thread, it IS being addressed and it IS being fixed......
Oh and for the record, from the oxford dictionary, several "More than two but not many; a few" and a few does not have a specific number it meerly means "not many"
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I been here a couple years i dont post much i read it more and anything and this site has pretty much been the same and it still a good site the rules never really changed if people think the4y need to come in here and cuss and act like a bunch of little cyber thugs well they dont need to be posting and what not we all know the rules here abide by them and there will be no problems what soever.
Sure, but it'd never get anywhere. Such as nader, I think nader is a little psychotic, but getting off the whole democrat vs republican crap is a good thing.
Which is the problem with allowing every moron & their dog voting. They're easily persuaded by propaganda, they're the proverbial branded cows. And overall, they're just uneducated and should have no part in politics, including voting.
Now as for the on-topic of the topic. The problem is, with more people, comes more idiots, coming the need for a more controlling mod-system. Which sadly enough, really sucks, but with the influx of morons. You could either have a forum filled full of offensive content, or a forum that is so closely watched you can't say anything that may be deemed as offensive, which at times sucks. Because usually anything that is in the least bit serious can have posts on the little offensive side.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Eitherway you will have people whinin because it was crude or whiners crying because they cant say what they want too.All the staff here is really trying to do is keep the vulgerness and flames and so on to minimal you gotta remember not everyone on this site is 18 years old and older you have youngins that are below and when one or 2 bad threads are around a parent sees it and the mmorpg gets in trouble for something completely avoidable.This isnt the only forum i hang out in i hang out ina few very very hostile forums and and ill say when people are allowed to say what they want too they always end up goin all to hell and what not.
You know..I haven't read anywhere where it said that MMORPG is a democracy? I don't believe there was a vote on the policies and procedures here.
You can cry - "Freedom of Speech" til you're blue in the face (and hopefully pass out) but MMORPG is a privately run site and entitled to their own freedom of expression as well. And if they dont wish to pay bandwidth expense for petty arguments and foul language, that is their right. There are plenty of us who support them.
If you don't agree with it - Go start your own Flaming Smut Forum and exercise your Freedom of Speech there.
Wow the extremists have escaped from the institution. Since when does MMORPG = democracy? Thats seriously reaching. I just dont see why a EQ vs WOW thread cant be moved to spam, maybe people want to bitch at each other. Seems like you'd want to retain users, not make them go elsewhere. Obviously they want to duscuss this topic, I dont really care for the subject matter, but if this is truely a democracy as the admin stated, then shouldnt we have free speech? Just stop being tyrants, an EQ vs wow thread doesnt violate any of the Terms of Service.
Now in regards to your signature. Having a swear word in your signature automatically means theres a swear word in all 1124 of your posts.... It's just not necessary. I personally don't have a problem with it myself but we have to look out for other people and that is why one of our staff asked you to change it. Basically you just don't need it unless your intentionally trying to annoy people as you keep it there even now.
No, that has not always been my sig. And furthermore, it has been reviewed by Malkavian himself and deemed fine. I can forward you the email if you like. I guess thats what you get for making assumptions. Dont you have some posts somewhere that need deleting? Im guessing mine is soon for the chopping block, I dont get why youre being a drama queen and dragging politics into this, its not that difficult to grasp.
Lying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuc|{ is my roof.
...but if this is truely a democracy as the admin stated...
I certainly can't say an admin didn't say this, but it would be somewhat baffling without an unusual context. They may decide to do some things democratically, if they choose to, but that's not a requirement. They could choose to ban any message or person they wanted, even if 100% of the members disagreed with it.
I've seen very little "high-handedness" by the admins here, and an awful lot of tolerance.
This thread, which I see you started, would not be allowed in most forums. If you have concerns about the forum - private message an admin and discuss it. Forming a kangaroo court on the sites' own forums is tactless.
_________________________________________________________________ Originally posted by ramadin Just stop being tyrants, an EQ vs wow thread doesnt violate any of the Terms of Service.
I generally avoid the EQ2 vs. WoW threads, yet even I have seen admins mention several times that they are to stop. Certainly not following the admins directions can lead to deleting a thread or banning a member.
All in all, I am surprised ParaTrooper and En1gma have been as tolerate as they have been in this thread. Messages harshly criticizing the forum or whining about policies belong in private messages (if they belong anywhere).
No, that has not always been my sig. And furthermore, it has been reviewed by Malkavian himself and deemed fine. I can forward you the email if you like. I guess thats what you get for making assumptions. Dont you have some posts somewhere that need deleting? Im guessing mine is soon for the chopping block, I dont get why youre being a drama queen and dragging politics into this, its not that difficult to grasp.
Well thats what happens when you read what you want to read, If that isn't the signature in question then whats the problem? I just agreed and said it was fine. All i said was that if someone from the staff asked you to change it because of swear words that it meant you had included it in all of your posts and it wasnt nessecary to do that, just use some common sense.
Also if you were to read what I said about politics I was saying that you can say whatever you want here aslong as it abides by the "laws", common sense would also reveal a similarity in the voting I was talking about........"its not that difficult to grasp"
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Originally posted by ramadin PS. I see Murt is being a kiss ass as usual, in hopes of becoming admin one day. (No offence Murt, I think youre a good guy).
I'd rather not do that...
lol, I'm not kissing their asses, I just think that these moderators (who aren't paid, they are volunteers that are putting their own time into this) should be thanked on a regular basis...
and no offense taken! I like you, lol
and your wife is cool too (NO! not that way, she's in my eqii guild, lol)
Originally posted by ParaTrooper It's funny that in one of the previous posts it wa claimed that murt attempts to "kiss our asses" but out of all the people here, hes been here a very long time and hes used the forums a lot longer than the rest of us.... Out of all the people i'd expect him to be complaining, yet he doesn't because it's not a big deal.
that's basically the answer...
I've heard that I kiss asses a lot, but in actuallity I don't, I'm just appreciating the moderators
Seems like you'd want to retain users, not make them go elsewhere.
Obviously they want to duscuss this topic, I dont really care for the subject matter, but if this is truely a democracy as the admin stated, then shouldnt we have free speech? ** Admin never stated MMORPG was a democracy, they merely replied to someone elses topic about it. **
Just stop being tyrants, an EQ vs wow thread doesn't violate any of the Terms of Service.
MMORPG "promotes" games - Why would they want to retain users (not customers - as there is no fee for using this site) who continually trash the games they have chosen to promote; and harass and insult other users of the site?
Certainly it would seem that a comparison post should be no problem. The problem is with some of the users that post to these threads. They don't discuss or compare game mechanics or even constructively criticize. They rant, flame, swear, and insult and harass the games and the other users.
Because of these users, an EQ vs WOW thread does violate TOS in the following areas:
You may NOT use our communication devices (Forums,Chat,Private Message System) for any of the following:
Transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening,abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content.
If you feel you have this obsessive compulsive need to read/write defamatory obscenities to make your day complete, may I suggest you open your text editor fill up a page or two and save it, then you can read it everyday to your hearts desire (and some might want to try using the spellchecker option).
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I apologize if I offended in anyway I assumed when they were saying censorship they ment Freedom of Speech. Agreed give them a forum to battle it out...MIGHT solve the problem...have to seeit first to know if it would work, but a least give it a try.
I believe it's a very good system that Admin, Kunou, Enigma, KT, Malkavian and some other mods have implemeneted.
It keeps the site clean, I myself was becoming nautious at seeing all those "OMG JOO R TEH SUX, EQII IS TEH PWNZXZOEOZXOZOXZ OVER JO0Z WOW IS TEH GAYZOXZOEOZX" It really get's annoying after awhile.
besides, this is a site where people are supposed to come for information on various mmorpg's, not meaningless rants written by adolescents that can't spell "the".
I myself have been here since 2002, and have seen the site change a lot. and I assure you, this isn't going "downhill" , this is "enlightening, and cleaning up"
mmorpg.com is a much better place wihtout meaningless threads, and words that are controversial.
Besides, you can curse, you just cannot use really bad curse words, it all makes sense. Just go look up an alternative, and say something like "what the hell" instead of "what the *beep*"
I really like this site, and it is, no doubt, the site i have spent most time on since 2002. I will continue to come here, because the moderators, and admin especially, do a wonderful job of keeping the site clean.
This is their site, and they can do what they want with it. They are protecting members like you and me, and I really don't see the reason to yell at them for doing that.
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oh and you say the site is down a lot? well it is, yes I admit that, but do you know all the people that visit this site per day? it's a LOT, admin posted the statistics once, and I was like "woah"!
That's just my two cents, thanks for being there mmorpg.com! Thank you staff for keeping this a good gaming environment!
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Lol, I'm always in that "other" category aren't I.
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You people are all missing the point. The point is: you used to be able to freely post what you wanted where you wanted it, have an arguement, discussion whatever, until it was exhausted and people went on their way. If certain threads "bother" the admin so much, move them to the spam forum, lock them like most normal boards do, dont just delete them leaving people to wonder what happened and then start up new posts of the same type.
Now, suddenly after 6+ months of having the word "fu*k" in my sig its now a problem?? Look through all of my posts I dare you to find one where i have used curse words inappropriately. I have never seen a thread deleted before either, until recently. Why the sudden change in standards, THAT is my question.
Why dont we fix things like the post disappearing problem? Or the mid post log out problem? These problems have been around for at least 10 months. Ive seen many posts complaining to the fact. Im not yelling at anyone or mad, Im just frustrated.
BTW Paratrooper, "otherwise objectionable content" is highly subjective. I could say that anything anyone said on any post is objectionable.
PS. I see Murt is being a kiss ass as usual, in hopes of becoming admin one day. (No offence Murt, I think youre a good guy).
""oh and you say the site is down a lot? well it is, yes I admit that, but do you know all the people that visit this site per day? it's a LOT, admin posted the statistics once, and I was like "woah"!""
Have you been on the VN boards? They have ALOT more users and their down time is vrtually non-existant.
Lying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuc|{ is my roof.
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What we have to realize is this is simply the way some people express themselves.....
If you are so delicate that occasional swear words or risque sexual innuendo are so offensive that you simply can not bear it Might I suggest that the internet is no place for the likes of you.
This medium is the last bastion of hope for people to freely express their opinions in any way they see fit without the fear of censorship. This being the last unregulated communications tool that the masses have access to we as responsible freedom loving individuals should be defending other peoples right to speak their minds in any way they choose.
It is not my place to force my own moral principals onto other people and to oppress the rights of those who I disagree with. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I don't support their right to say whatever they feel like saying.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Now in regards to your signature. Having a swear word in your signature automatically means theres a swear word in all 1124 of your posts.... It's just not necessary. I personally don't have a problem with it myself but we have to look out for other people and that is why one of our staff asked you to change it. Basically you just don't need it unless your intentionally trying to annoy people as you keep it there even now.
As for deleting threads, we only do that in cases where things have gone a step to far, Is there any point in leaving a thread in the spam forum with deleted posts? You won't even know what they are talking about because you can't read it. There are a lot of deleted posts and locked threads, but as was said before, people on the forums would see hardly any of them. Just FYI at the moment there are 250 threads in a staff section folder waiting to be deleted and thats from a very short space of time. Now if we were to leave them, the clutter, the abuse and the general crap from those threads overwhelming the forums would indeed send us and the community downhill.
Now with the forums & site going down so often, the latter is a result of something being changed in the coding I believe. As for the forums, they were relatively fine when we had less people, but with more people comes more of the few who complain such as yourself. I don't think I'm allowed to go talking about whats being done in the near future in regards to the forums specifically, but i will say, we have in the past made changes to fix up problems, we still are fixing problems and we will keep fixing problems. Patience is a virtue.
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Gotta love a staffer who belittles the concerns fo those who visit the site
Somehow characterizing someone as being "one of the few complainers" Seems to me to be just a little bit biased. As if there werent several people who have expressed concerns over technical problems this site might have.
You should be a politician sir.
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In answer to your question....
Yes we do have freedom of speech written into our constitution. Unfortunately it is being quickly done away with by our current power hungry and even in some respects dictatorial government. They have decided that they get to choose what is subversive and what is just free speech.
The consensus of our government officials is that anything that disagrees with or refutes the statements made by or the beliefs held by our governing body are subversive and anything that agrees with or supports their stance is just free speech.
My favorite band was rage against the machine....Go figure.
ROLEPLAYERS UNITE!!!!!
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Oh and yes I have considered becoming a politician and yes it's still a possibility.
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Why would murt complain?
If he is "kissing your asses" (your words not mine) Then he certainly would not rock the boat.
Oh and by the way the automatic logout bug just happened to me when I was trying to enter this post. To some people this may not be a big deal but to me I find it extremely annoying. It is a tech problem and it has been around as long as I have. (which according to our register dates is also longer than you)
It deserves to be addressed and not trivialized as though saying it isn't a problem actually makes that statement true.
EDIT: oh and for the record A FEW means 3. Several means more than 3.
ROLEPLAYERS UNITE!!!!!
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
One things for sure, you get free speech on this website so long as it isn't deemed highly offensive.
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Oh and for the record, from the oxford dictionary, several "More than two but not many; a few" and a few does not have a specific number it meerly means "not many"
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
Sure, but it'd never get anywhere. Such as nader, I think nader is a little psychotic, but getting off the whole democrat vs republican crap is a good thing.
Which is the problem with allowing every moron & their dog voting. They're easily persuaded by propaganda, they're the proverbial branded cows. And overall, they're just uneducated and should have no part in politics, including voting.
Now as for the on-topic of the topic. The problem is, with more people, comes more idiots, coming the need for a more controlling mod-system. Which sadly enough, really sucks, but with the influx of morons. You could either have a forum filled full of offensive content, or a forum that is so closely watched you can't say anything that may be deemed as offensive, which at times sucks. Because usually anything that is in the least bit serious can have posts on the little offensive side.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Eitherway you will have people whinin because it was crude or whiners crying because they cant say what they want too.All the staff here is really trying to do is keep the vulgerness and flames and so on to minimal you gotta remember not everyone on this site is 18 years old and older you have youngins that are below and when one or 2 bad threads are around a parent sees it and the mmorpg gets in trouble for something completely avoidable.This isnt the only forum i hang out in i hang out ina few very very hostile forums and and ill say when people are allowed to say what they want too they always end up goin all to hell and what not.
You know..I haven't read anywhere where it said that MMORPG is a democracy? I don't believe there was a vote on the policies and procedures here.
You can cry - "Freedom of Speech" til you're blue in the face (and hopefully pass out) but MMORPG is a privately run site and entitled to their own freedom of expression as well. And if they dont wish to pay bandwidth expense for petty arguments and foul language, that is their right. There are plenty of us who support them.
If you don't agree with it - Go start your own Flaming Smut Forum and exercise your Freedom of Speech there.
Wow the extremists have escaped from the institution. Since when does MMORPG = democracy? Thats seriously reaching. I just dont see why a EQ vs WOW thread cant be moved to spam, maybe people want to bitch at each other. Seems like you'd want to retain users, not make them go elsewhere. Obviously they want to duscuss this topic, I dont really care for the subject matter, but if this is truely a democracy as the admin stated, then shouldnt we have free speech? Just stop being tyrants, an EQ vs wow thread doesnt violate any of the Terms of Service.
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If you don't agree with it - Go start your own Flaming Smut Forum and exercise your Freedom of Speech there.
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Thats the problem with the world today, people just give up, dont try to voice their opinion or make a change.
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By Paratrooper
Now in regards to your signature. Having a swear word in your signature automatically means theres a swear word in all 1124 of your posts.... It's just not necessary. I personally don't have a problem with it myself but we have to look out for other people and that is why one of our staff asked you to change it. Basically you just don't need it unless your intentionally trying to annoy people as you keep it there even now.
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No, that has not always been my sig. And furthermore, it has been reviewed by Malkavian himself and deemed fine. I can forward you the email if you like. I guess thats what you get for making assumptions. Dont you have some posts somewhere that need deleting? Im guessing mine is soon for the chopping block, I dont get why youre being a drama queen and dragging politics into this, its not that difficult to grasp.
Lying in bed, looking up at the stars, a single thought passed through my head. Where the fuc|{ is my roof.
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I certainly can't say an admin didn't say this, but it would be somewhat baffling without an unusual context. They may decide to do some things democratically, if they choose to, but that's not a requirement. They could choose to ban any message or person they wanted, even if 100% of the members disagreed with it.
I've seen very little "high-handedness" by the admins here, and an awful lot of tolerance.
This thread, which I see you started, would not be allowed in most forums. If you have concerns about the forum - private message an admin and discuss it. Forming a kangaroo court on the sites' own forums is tactless.
I generally avoid the EQ2 vs. WoW threads, yet even I have seen admins mention several times that they are to stop. Certainly not following the admins directions can lead to deleting a thread or banning a member.
All in all, I am surprised ParaTrooper and En1gma have been as tolerate as they have been in this thread. Messages harshly criticizing the forum or whining about policies belong in private messages (if they belong anywhere).
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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ParaTrooper, Staff @ MMORPG.com
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ParaTrooper, That guy that used to mod the MMORPG.com forums.
How about if the staff of MMORPG.com takes a little break from over moderating and fix the login issue. It's been an issue for months now.
that's basically the answer...
I've heard that I kiss asses a lot, but in actuallity I don't, I'm just appreciating the moderators
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I am new to the site, but I think it's great. I really enjoy the cross conversations about MMO's that never get started in game specific MMO boards.
Thanks
Morlife
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Morlife