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Torx
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I have been playing World of Warcraft since its release and I strive or have strived to obtain the unobtainable the best of the best gear up until this recent patch that has released Ulduar.
Pre-bc I obtained full tier 2 armor and was making my way through naxx into tier 3 when the Burning Crusade released and all that work went down the drain. Some say that it helped me level and therefore worth the while but honestly it wasn't. Why play a game from a Raiders stand point if the gear you spend the next few years of "Expansion name here " obtaining all the new gear that is released just to have the slate wiped clean and have to start all over once again.
What brought this up is recent rumors that honestly do not surprise me that blizzard has two more expansions up their sleaves....First of which will boost the max level to 90 and following a few years after will be bumping it finally to 100 to finish it off. At which time new MMOs will come and go and WoW will most likely have already fell by the way side just like Everquest did years ago.
My question I soppose is this; Why spend the time raiding and putting all this time into World of Warcraft from a raiders stand point if it will never ultimately give you anything that you can permanantly hang on to and make you're character what you would like it to be....
Does anyone else feel like WoW is basically just a reputation/ achievement grind? Because ultimately that is all you keep and all you get to show for all of you're hard work.
Maybe its just me...maybe I should just find a good single player RPG and give it a try for a while...atleast there I cannot be bumbarded by a patch that erases all of my work and everything I grew to become proud of in my toon.
This epiphany came to me surprisingly very recently and I have not logged into WoW but a few times only to chat and then log back off..... I am looking foward to Aion and Starwars: The old republic..
Good day folks
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With every tier you are basically starting over again. The only difference is you had to gain some levels in between for the expansions. I do agree however that the game is nothing more than a rep/ahievment grind. Good game though , i can't complain. Played through most all of it.
Well thats what mmos are supposed to be. Time sinks. When a mmo dosent have the rep / ach / lvl / etc grind it gets boring really fast and people stop playing it. Its not blizzards job or any companys job to reward you for your time spent in there games. there job is to keep you playing. Blizzard is the best at this. It dosent make them a bad game developer etc. they just know how to keep people playng.
Really? MMO's are supposed to be time sinks? I thought they were supposed to be fun and a time to relax. You must be talking about the current model of mmo's from a business stand point , not the consumer.
Indeed.
But the industry did a great job to turn players to "their" (company) views and now, they don't even need PR people to sell their crap anymore. That someone could think that games are not even meant to be "fun" anymore is off my depressed chart.
This is once again, the perfect and pathetic example of that. (2 post above)
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I agree...but expansions in content but not levels is very viable as well....I saw it first hand in Everquest 1 for many expansions.
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Hi Torx. I came to the same conclusion when Lich King was announced. A few months later my guild fell apart and gave me the excuse to quit. I've been sticking with single player games since. I've been having a lot of fun with Drakensang and The Witcher I enjoyed my time with WoW, but 3 years playing one game was a bit insane. I'm still really proud of my Naxx Gear. When I had to stop wearing that gear it was the beginning of the end.
I'm torn on whether I'll try KOTOR or not. I'm getting old. Not sure I can commit myself to another MMO. I also completely fail at playing casually. Its just not in my DNA though I wish it was.
That is exactly how I am... I cannot just have sup par gear and be happy with myself. Especially in a world like Warcraft where pvp is as much of the game as pve and you will get stomped in blues....
Still looking for the right single player RPG.
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I don't understand why they can't just restructure,replace or add new quests for all the levels prior to endgame grind...start with 10-30 then 30-50..etc.. Keep the game changing. Have another mob type kill off the quillboars of the barrens...have players discover this new threat and eradicate..or just add new quests for crikes sake. What happened to the love of the journey? Instead , most mmos seem to be concerned with the rush to endgame and uber gear acquisition.. That's like fast forwarding through life ...then you retire and spend all your time trying to tediously find new things to do and new clothes to wear.... until finally ...you die. What a life. What a game.
I did ask those raiders in my guild before, why you keep raiding knowing that your gear will be obsolete soon?
They said its not really the gear that get them going and going. But the challange, to be able to find out how to tackle different types of mobs, to have disscusion on forums, like Tankspot.com, together in guild chat, during raid and they dont mind the wipe after wipe, because they see progression. Disscussing, taking on the task, the challange together!
Its actually what mmo suppose to mean, doing something together that all of you enjoy!
So even though its raid-or-die to us, its actually fun for them. And this is actually what counts, and Blizz have really make my guildies very happy with Uldar...
But for the rest of us who dont like this kind of end-game, this game just isn't meant for us....
RIP Orc Choppa
man ...
you need 5 or 6 years to notice that ???..... you look like a wow reatarded... not a wow veteran sorry to say
This is a perfect post that says exactly what MMO's are supposed to be about. Our guild is very similar in that it isn't about whether we get the drops or not, it is about enjoying the time we play, having a laugh along the way, helping the other members out with their challenges, basically all the things that make it social entertainment.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
You are supposed to enjoy playing the game.
If you don't enjoy playing it, but instead see it as a means to an end then go out into the real world and put as much effort into obtaining real achievements; I'm sure you'll enjoy that new Ferrari much more than your epic sword.
Always a good idea to actually be able to correctly spell "retarded", before attempting to sling it as an insult.
You failed, and ended up looking like the retard yourself. Very comical indeed.
Well you are in luck. There will be no more WoW expansions. My cousin works at Blizzard and i was talking to him about that same type of thing a couple months back. He told me that there will be no more expansions and that a lot of Blizzard's focus will be towards this new MMO that they are designing. I actually believe it cause more expansions would piss people like yourself off. They may lose more players than they gain with new expansions. The best thing they could really do is implament some patches (nothing huge or crazy) and attempt to maintain their player base while the develope a new game all together. This all makes sense in the business world.
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This is one of the major reasons I stopped raiding after BWL. It just becomes pointless to upgrade gear to the best of the best, because it will all become obsolete with the next major patch or expansion. I really didn't like raiding that much anyway, but once I realized how truly unimportant gear was (to me) it was easy to stop. I spend my time doing the things I enjoy now. Even though to some players I may be a noob or a scrub, I don't need the best gear to hang out with my friends or farm tradeskill materials. And if I need my PvP fix, its alot less frustrating to just load up some good ol' TF2. If I need deep, engaging roleplaying game, I can fire up Mass Effect.
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Well my sisters, friends, cousins, daughters friendly pet rat doesn't work for Blizzard at all and thinks there will be more expansions running until 2050.
How does it make any business sense at all to cut off a proven product that people do like and try and force them to a new product that they may not like (new coke anyone?). Blizzard have shown gains in their subs base with every expansion, plus they have just signed a new deal to deliver wow in asia which is a massive market.
Blizzard will maintain Wow with more content and expansions until it is not financially viable to do so, it is pretty much as simple as that. As for people being annoyed at their uber kit being replaced, that has been an argument since the days of BC release and we have seen waves of people quit only to re-sub a few months later and move on to the next range of kit.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
Just because someone 'works at Blizzard' doesn't mean that they know much about the future of Blizzards' games.
About Blizz's new MMO... about 10 people total within the company know what's really going on with that game. It's hush-hush/top secret. SuperNDA+.
Unless your cousin is an actual Dev, they aren't going to know much about what's coming... maybe a month or two down the path. They may see some slides with some 'ideas' on a timeline during their staff only-off-site-show'n-tells. That's it. They won't know anything concrete, not until it's announced on their internal service/maint schedule.
Talking about a friend or family member that works at a gaming company is a good way to get them fired, tbh.
Really? MMO's are supposed to be time sinks? I thought they were supposed to be fun and a time to relax. You must be talking about the current model of mmo's from a business stand point , not the consumer.
A consumer standpoint.. Seriously? Games are big business, and what the consumer wants only matters so far as they continue to pay monthly to play it. That being said, as the most popular MMO of it's time, why should WoW deviate one iota from how it does things no matter how much the players scream so long as they keep paying up?
It was clear to me early on that WoW is a time-sink mmo. All of them are, even the free-to-play genre. If you're not addicted enough to mindlessly plow on, then the game is not a success. We want to be engrossed for hours at a time, it's why we play games. If you're not being engrossed in exactly the way you wanted well.. You simply cannot please all of the people any of the time.
I remember a write up back when WoW first went live (it was from some Blizz dev I think) about the direction the game was heading and what expansions where planned, so far all of the expansions that were mentioned have arrived with the proposed level cap changes and new areas and bosses, and with that being right so far I would still expect more expansions introducing bosses such as Azshara, Kil'Jaeden and Sargeras, the final planned level cap in that report was also said to be 120 but I will be surprised if they did go that high.
Really? MMO's are supposed to be time sinks? I thought they were supposed to be fun and a time to relax. You must be talking about the current model of mmo's from a business stand point , not the consumer.
A consumer standpoint.. Seriously? Games are big business, and what the consumer wants only matters so far as they continue to pay monthly to play it. That being said, as the most popular MMO of it's time, why should WoW deviate one iota from how it does things no matter how much the players scream so long as they keep paying up?
It was clear to me early on that WoW is a time-sink mmo. All of them are, even the free-to-play genre. If you're not addicted enough to mindlessly plow on, then the game is not a success. We want to be engrossed for hours at a time, it's why we play games. If you're not being engrossed in exactly the way you wanted well.. You simply cannot please all of the people any of the time.
Well in that sense an MMO is what you make it...
I know people who pay for MMO's and don't play... never have a time sink. They login and do "social" stuff with their friends.
This last person in that quote is correct... At the most basic level its the company view. Consumer view doesn't really matter unless they actually do cancel. As long as subscriber numbers are where the company wants... they have no reason to do anything else. In fact you could say that by not hitting cancel players are sending feedback...
If the "core design" people supposedly don't like... resulted in mass cancel button mashes.. you would see the core design change.
There is only one MMO company I've ever seen push an agenda even when the cancel button was hit and hit at what appeared to be a permanent level. The fact they kept going foward really was amazing because it made no sense in the Corporate view...
In the last couple lines of that last reply something was said.. that gives a great example.
Personal consumer view: "If you're not addicted enough to mindlessly plow on, then the game is not a success." (that's why you see epic fail posts from a personal level posted as if universal truth).
Corporate view: If the masses are addicted enough to mindlessly plow on, the game is a success. (and they will continue to develop for that mass .. that is mindlessly plowing on...).
The end game experience isn't worth the time...especially since so many have gone there before and done it more than once...It's like discovering America for the millionth time...it got old long before then.
The older and younger players lose alot trying to get there...The older players basically play alone. The younger players are always looking for ppl to help them. But those in College...in the 20's range have others to help them. I think the age of having someone to "help" u make it to "the next tier" is coming to an end.
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.
I am sorry to say, but none of that made any sense at all.
The whole "so many have gone there before" thing is crazy. Masses of people visit countries all over the world regardless of how many have been there before because it is new to them and the same can be said for in game experiences too. In fact with wow, the addition of achievements gave even the long term players a reason to re-visit some of the content even they had done before.
The age thing too is madness, i am in my late thirties and i play alongside over 100 other people of mixed ages, all of us helping each other along the way.
It must be Thursday, i never could get the hang of Thursdays.
I'm glad for u that u found a great guild to be in! But I haven't. And I'm not one to invite several other players to help me get what "I" want out of the game. Perhaps u have found the ppl to help u out with that...but then we get down to what realm...what guild...I just haven't found those folks and I'm glad u did!
Played Wow, D and L, AOC, GW, Eve, Rift and many more insignificant games.