As someone else stated, he may of not been altruistic.
But he also never gave up hope, and always had faith. Which are admirable qualities.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I don't put much value in hope and faith, but when unfortunate events give you paralysis from the neck down with an average expected life span of 1-2 years, I guess hope and faith is all you really can have.
Originally posted by Finwe 1. Maddox needs to go back to the nice little place with the white little cushioned walls. I read about half of it, then scanned the rest, that guy just needs serious mental help. The quintessence of the ranting of the bitter old man, trying to put dirt on peoples name to make his own life seem of some worth. 2. Drakaeon, you're still around? Surprised you haven't been banned yet."The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
What would I be banned for, little man?
Anyway, it is sad and all that he died... it is never good when someone dies, unless of course he is Adolf Hitler or something, but I do agree with Maddox on the issue of him being a phony. Reeves was one pretty stuck up guy before his accident, he really was.
P.S - If you are mad at Maddox for posting this article after he died, he did something like it a year or two ago saying more or less the same thing about Reeves.
I cared much more about the death of Rodney Dangerfield.
Originally posted by Drakaeon P.S - If you are mad at Maddox for posting this article after he died, he did something like it a year or two ago saying more or less the same thing about Reeves.
I knew that he wrote that before Reeves even died. I read it a year ago and Maddox is much of a moron now as he was back then.
Reeves did not do anything against anyone to be warranted as a stuck up. He went through a trajedy and through that trajedy did he realize the importance of having treatment done to encourage medical progress.
You can say the same things for Michael J Fox and Nancy Reagon. Both did not become actively involved in the fight against the illnesses they had obtain but it doesn't make them a worse person for doing so.
Christopher Reeves was not actively involved in the paraylsis that tragecally had befallen upon him before the accident and hi certainly was not a stuck up pious rich boy either.
Are you currently involved in Skin Cancer research? Would you if you ever were to be diagnosed with it? What about autism? Are u striving to create a cure for autism? Would you get involved if your baby were to be born with it? What about decency for the handicapped? are you involved with making the handicaps life better right now? What if you were to get into a car accident and you were paralyzed from the waist down? Would you somehow be interested in the topic then?
Reeves' wasn't a bad guy for getting involved in an idea until after his accident. Maddox is just the world's biggest ass because he think's his opinion is always right. Merge Rush Limnaugh and Michael Moore together with the pompous attitude of Shannen Doherty and you just may have someone who would remotley resemble Maddox.
Originally posted by WizGamer Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
He was a true hero, fighting to help others in every way he could. I can understand that does not go well with some people who has never done anything worth anything to anyone in their whole lives.
RIP
Only game I wait for right now: Imperator. Go Mythic!
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Well, I wrote a big thing in reply to En1gma about how I am infact involved in several organizations (including one reguarding paralysis) even though I have none of the ailments myself. I won't type it again, I think that sentence can prove my point alone.
We had this same discussion on my friends blog this morning. We were all discussing his death when one guy posted thatstupid link...
I am pasting here what I posted there:
Reeve gets injured, and now he wants to do anything he can to get his injury cured. What is the problem with that? If he got cancer he would be an asshole for helping to cure cancer, if he got MS he would be an asshole for helping to cure MS...?? What kind of BS is this?
Should he have been pledging to help every kind of disease and injury in the world, so that when he got one, he could have been a hero to it before hand???
Nothing wrong with championing a cause after it effects you. Do we have any proof that Reeve never donated to ANY charity in his life before the injury?
Originally posted by TaskyZZ We had this same discussion on my friends blog this morning. We were all discussing his death when one guy posted thatstupid link...I am pasting here what I posted there:Reeve gets injured, and now he wants to do anything he can to get his injury cured. What is the problem with that? If he got cancer he would be an asshole for helping to cure cancer, if he got MS he would be an asshole for helping to cure MS...?? What kind of BS is this?Should he have been pledging to help every kind of disease and injury in the world, so that when he got one, he could have been a hero to it before hand???Nothing wrong with championing a cause after it effects you. Do we have any proof that Reeve never donated to ANY charity in his life before the injury?
In answer to your last statement, yes.
I would also like to point out that the fact that he helped the charities after his accident is great, it isn't the reason why I dislike him. The reason I dislike him is because he gets so much acclaim for doing so. Everyone is always saying, "Oh look at that poor man, doing everything left in his pitiful life to help charities." Well in his "pitiful life" he is making more money than he was before hand. Not that it is a big suprise, he was a very bad actor.
It is amazing how people can be so sappy after someone dies. I am sure if that link was posted a month ago, half of you would agree and/or be on the floor laughing.
Originally posted by Drakaeon Damnit... forums deleted my post. Well, I wrote a big thing in reply to En1gma about how I am infact involved in several organizations (including one reguarding paralysis) even though I have none of the ailments myself. I won't type it again, I think that sentence can prove my point alone.
my post wasn't directed against you...it was directed against Maddox's mentality. Sorry for the confusion.
Originally posted by WizGamer Now hear me out, its just an opinion, I don't want yours. .
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
It is amazing how people can be so sappy after someone dies. I am sure if that link was posted a month ago, half of you would agree and/or be on the floor laughing.
In all honesty, if you think about it real hard, how many charitys/organisations and funds have been instigated by people after they themself suffered named disaster? Quite a lot, if not even the bulk of them.
Now because these people never did anything for said cause before should they NOT do anything after because that makes them hypocrits? That is by far the weirdest and humanly-ignorant view I have ever read anywere.
And if you are an asshole and some powerful occurence take place in your life and you reavluate everything and become a better person due to that, does that mean you are still an asshole? Are people not allowed to change for the better, ever?
Obviously Maddox is so far removed from humanity as is theoretically possible and could not get human nature explained to him by an Army of kindergarten teacher armed with crayons and paper and empty toilet rolls. But him calling people ignorant self centered is like named Adolf Hitler gave someone a yell for being antisemethic. Or Osama being mad at someeone for them being against USA, it is so beyond the horizon of stupidity there is probably an all new Horizon were he is, one that only a few REALLY stupid people will ever see. That is the ONLY things that makes Maddox unique.
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Maybe I just took something different from the Maddox article than most, but I don't see it being stupid to think that considering a celebrity a hero for fighting a debilitating disease, or injury when thousands of normal people go through the same struggle every day, and unless they personally know the person, people could give a shit about them.
I'm pretty lowkey in real life. I like to observe people, and it helps if they ignore you. They tend to be themselves when they don't know they're being watched. And I watch peoples reaction to the handicapped. They look the other way, pretending they're not there. They treat them like non-poeple. Rather than confront the situation, and run the risk of feeling guilty for being glad that they're not in that position, they block them from their minds. And if they ever are forced to confront a handicapped person? More often than not they overreact and treat them like some mindless vegetable. Then there are the people that are purposely rude, just because they can't fight back. I can only hope that people like that get struck down in the parking lot, and are forced to be subject to the same humiliation they've heaped on others in that situation. Karma's a bitch like that.
But the second some celebrity is struck with that affliction? Oh, suddenly that person is a hero to the world for struggling valiantly against insurmountable odds. Suddenly politicians are wheeling them out as a photo op, and Barbara Walters is gushing her trite spew in some saccarine interview special. Maybe I just have a different definition of what a hero is in that situation. To me the guy that perserveres, surviving on whatever piddly disability check he gets, living by himself is a hell of a lot stronger than someone like Reeves who has money, fame and connections to provide him with the best around the clock care, physical therapy, and whatever else he needs.
And that's what sticks in my craw. Thats what I took from Maddox's article, although I felt that way before reading it, so maybe that slanted my opinion.
And no, it's not about throwing money at them, or helping everyone. It's about being treated like a human being, and not some sideshow attraction, or a brain dead invalid.
You should try reminiscing of the quality of your past posts. If you still cannot grasp it...Well, to put it simply enough, you're a mix between a wannabe Maddox, and what someone stated as a "cyber thug".
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Originally posted by Coldmeat But the second some celebrity is struck with that affliction? Oh, suddenly that person is a hero to the world for struggling valiantly against insurmountable odds. Suddenly politicians are wheeling them out as a photo op, and Barbara Walters is gushing her trite spew in some saccarine interview special. Maybe I just have a different definition of what a hero is in that situation. To me the guy that perserveres, surviving on whatever piddly disability check he gets, living by himself is a hell of a lot stronger than someone like Reeves who has money, fame and connections to provide him with the best around the clock care, physical therapy, and whatever else he needs. And that's what sticks in my craw. Thats what I took from Maddox's article, although I felt that way before reading it, so maybe that slanted my opinion.
NO, anyone that is handicapped and fighting it, and going on with life is a frickin' hero. No one said they weren't.
But, when you get to add a celebrity's name to your fight, your fight gains a lot of weight. Your cause gains immensely from it. But wheeling out a nobody for a camera opp isn't going to help anybody. It is just going to get whoever did the wheeling out a lot of bad press.
So, let me summarize from you. Handicap people who learn to deal with it and continue to live their lives are all heros. Celebrity's who use their money and fame to help the cause are just as big a heros. Not bigger heros, not deserving of anything more... But the power they add to the cause is immense, and can only be good.
Reeve (there is no 's' in his name), used his money to help himself, but any amount he spends to help himself helps others. The fact that he has all this money to spend on research and care helps everyone with the handicap.
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I can't believe he is dead:( I like most of you thought he would be the first to beat this.. After all he's Superman!.. He was my childhood hero as well.. My favorite even now. I had to get all his movies. I was so surprised when that all first happened to him.. Then he made a movie that is about to come out that I was looking forward to watching. All of a sudden now he's dead. Seriously scary seems like a lot of people are dying that I loved as a kid. hehe.. Life goes on for most of us.
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As someone else stated, he may of not been altruistic.
But he also never gave up hope, and always had faith. Which are admirable qualities.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
I don't put much value in hope and faith, but when unfortunate events give you paralysis from the neck down with an average expected life span of 1-2 years, I guess hope and faith is all you really can have.
R.I.P. Superman
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after as hard as he tryed to over come his injury its a shame he had to go like that. He was a real superhero for going thru all that imo.
What would I be banned for, little man?
Anyway, it is sad and all that he died... it is never good when someone dies, unless of course he is Adolf Hitler or something, but I do agree with Maddox on the issue of him being a phony. Reeves was one pretty stuck up guy before his accident, he really was.
P.S - If you are mad at Maddox for posting this article after he died, he did something like it a year or two ago saying more or less the same thing about Reeves.
I cared much more about the death of Rodney Dangerfield.
I knew that he wrote that before Reeves even died. I read it a year ago and Maddox is much of a moron now as he was back then.
Reeves did not do anything against anyone to be warranted as a stuck up. He went through a trajedy and through that trajedy did he realize the importance of having treatment done to encourage medical progress.
You can say the same things for Michael J Fox and Nancy Reagon. Both did not become actively involved in the fight against the illnesses they had obtain but it doesn't make them a worse person for doing so.
Christopher Reeves was not actively involved in the paraylsis that tragecally had befallen upon him before the accident and hi certainly was not a stuck up pious rich boy either.
Are you currently involved in Skin Cancer research? Would you if you ever were to be diagnosed with it? What about autism? Are u striving to create a cure for autism? Would you get involved if your baby were to be born with it? What about decency for the handicapped? are you involved with making the handicaps life better right now? What if you were to get into a car accident and you were paralyzed from the waist down? Would you somehow be interested in the topic then?
Reeves' wasn't a bad guy for getting involved in an idea until after his accident. Maddox is just the world's biggest ass because he think's his opinion is always right. Merge Rush Limnaugh and Michael Moore together with the pompous attitude of Shannen Doherty and you just may have someone who would remotley resemble Maddox.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
He was a true hero, fighting to help others in every way he could. I can understand that does not go well with some people who has never done anything worth anything to anyone in their whole lives.
RIP
Only game I wait for right now: Imperator.
Go Mythic!
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Damnit... forums deleted my post.
Well, I wrote a big thing in reply to En1gma about how I am infact involved in several organizations (including one reguarding paralysis) even though I have none of the ailments myself. I won't type it again, I think that sentence can prove my point alone.
We had this same discussion on my friends blog this morning. We were all discussing his death when one guy posted thatstupid link...
I am pasting here what I posted there:
Reeve gets injured, and now he wants to do anything he can to get his injury cured. What is the problem with that? If he got cancer he would be an asshole for helping to cure cancer, if he got MS he would be an asshole for helping to cure MS...?? What kind of BS is this?
Should he have been pledging to help every kind of disease and injury in the world, so that when he got one, he could have been a hero to it before hand???
Nothing wrong with championing a cause after it effects you. Do we have any proof that Reeve never donated to ANY charity in his life before the injury?
In answer to your last statement, yes.
I would also like to point out that the fact that he helped the charities after his accident is great, it isn't the reason why I dislike him. The reason I dislike him is because he gets so much acclaim for doing so. Everyone is always saying, "Oh look at that poor man, doing everything left in his pitiful life to help charities." Well in his "pitiful life" he is making more money than he was before hand. Not that it is a big suprise, he was a very bad actor.
It is amazing how people can be so sappy after someone dies. I am sure if that link was posted a month ago, half of you would agree and/or be on the floor laughing.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
No no no, I am not listening, this aint true!
No no no!
- "Uh? What are you talking about? EQ2 and WoW as MMORPG? You must be confusing MMORPG with MMORG(raiding)''
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In all honesty, if you think about it real hard, how many charitys/organisations and funds have been instigated by people after they themself suffered named disaster? Quite a lot, if not even the bulk of them.
Now because these people never did anything for said cause before should they NOT do anything after because that makes them hypocrits? That is by far the weirdest and humanly-ignorant view I have ever read anywere.
And if you are an asshole and some powerful occurence take place in your life and you reavluate everything and become a better person due to that, does that mean you are still an asshole? Are people not allowed to change for the better, ever?
Obviously Maddox is so far removed from humanity as is theoretically possible and could not get human nature explained to him by an Army of kindergarten teacher armed with crayons and paper and empty toilet rolls. But him calling people ignorant self centered is like named Adolf Hitler gave someone a yell for being antisemethic. Or Osama being mad at someeone for them being against USA, it is so beyond the horizon of stupidity there is probably an all new Horizon were he is, one that only a few REALLY stupid people will ever see. That is the ONLY things that makes Maddox unique.
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Originally posted by Jerek_
I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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Maybe I just took something different from the Maddox article than most, but I don't see it being stupid to think that considering a celebrity a hero for fighting a debilitating disease, or injury when thousands of normal people go through the same struggle every day, and unless they personally know the person, people could give a shit about them.
I'm pretty lowkey in real life. I like to observe people, and it helps if they ignore you. They tend to be themselves when they don't know they're being watched. And I watch peoples reaction to the handicapped. They look the other way, pretending they're not there. They treat them like non-poeple. Rather than confront the situation, and run the risk of feeling guilty for being glad that they're not in that position, they block them from their minds. And if they ever are forced to confront a handicapped person? More often than not they overreact and treat them like some mindless vegetable. Then there are the people that are purposely rude, just because they can't fight back. I can only hope that people like that get struck down in the parking lot, and are forced to be subject to the same humiliation they've heaped on others in that situation. Karma's a bitch like that.
But the second some celebrity is struck with that affliction? Oh, suddenly that person is a hero to the world for struggling valiantly against insurmountable odds. Suddenly politicians are wheeling them out as a photo op, and Barbara Walters is gushing her trite spew in some saccarine interview special. Maybe I just have a different definition of what a hero is in that situation. To me the guy that perserveres, surviving on whatever piddly disability check he gets, living by himself is a hell of a lot stronger than someone like Reeves who has money, fame and connections to provide him with the best around the clock care, physical therapy, and whatever else he needs.
And that's what sticks in my craw. Thats what I took from Maddox's article, although I felt that way before reading it, so maybe that slanted my opinion.
And no, it's not about throwing money at them, or helping everyone. It's about being treated like a human being, and not some sideshow attraction, or a brain dead invalid.
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What Drakaeon. You really don't know?
You should try reminiscing of the quality of your past posts. If you still cannot grasp it...Well, to put it simply enough, you're a mix between a wannabe Maddox, and what someone stated as a "cyber thug".
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
NO, anyone that is handicapped and fighting it, and going on with life is a frickin' hero. No one said they weren't.
But, when you get to add a celebrity's name to your fight, your fight gains a lot of weight. Your cause gains immensely from it. But wheeling out a nobody for a camera opp isn't going to help anybody. It is just going to get whoever did the wheeling out a lot of bad press.
So, let me summarize from you. Handicap people who learn to deal with it and continue to live their lives are all heros. Celebrity's who use their money and fame to help the cause are just as big a heros. Not bigger heros, not deserving of anything more... But the power they add to the cause is immense, and can only be good.
Reeve (there is no 's' in his name), used his money to help himself, but any amount he spends to help himself helps others. The fact that he has all this money to spend on research and care helps everyone with the handicap.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/12/news_6110338.html
That is so cool! Who says gamers don't care about the real world?
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I can't believe he is dead:( I like most of you thought he would be the first to beat this.. After all he's Superman!.. He was my childhood hero as well.. My favorite even now. I had to get all his movies. I was so surprised when that all first happened to him.. Then he made a movie that is about to come out that I was looking forward to watching. All of a sudden now he's dead. Seriously scary seems like a lot of people are dying that I loved as a kid. hehe.. Life goes on for most of us.