Silius is a fail. Sub numbers over the past 2 years have declined. Yeah some newbies join, but many more vets leave. They leave out of boredom and SOE/Silius' lust to chase the WOW buck while not infringing on the EQII subscribers. If he has put his heart and soul into vanguard then he is a heartless souless creature indeed. Worst lead developer and smallest development team ever. All 4 of them, wtf can they do?
lol the problem with this game is like most other game a la lotr ,they fail to understand one thing take the minimum computer you can use to run silkroad online and thats what you have to target your graphic etc if you set it higher and aim for usa
lol you ll end up like lotr very nice game that very few can play.and dont forget usa and canada together are what at the most 400 million
if they targeted all their game to be playable on most old asian computer avail , like guild wars did by dev it on laptop
they gain what a possible 2600 million people market say theres 20 % share of that that is gamer you get what 520 million market
lets be conservative and put it at the same pop as usa and canada put together close to 400 million
lol if i was a game maker i would design my game on pentium 1 laptop lol just to make sure the max 3d setting i use can be played on asian market computer
but then i must be wrong because vanguard ,aoc,war all used very fancy graphic setting that almost no asian market can play even if those game became f2p asian just couldnt play them period
wait the 3 games i mentioned are all dying maybe i wasnt so wrong after all lol
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
mm your not the only one i got a 512 mb 8800gt nvidia graphic card its fairly new it should run this game fairly easy lol not really i would need a 2.5 inch casio handheld screen to run this game smoothly if it had as mutch player as guild wars ,imagine if it had 10 million player the game would run at a hasty 1 frame per minute
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
If you have an Nvidea Card you can mitigate this. It will still happen but less frequently.
From another thread, see the bold:
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Nizur
From what I've read, VG is harsh on hard drives, but you've got a pretty beefy one. Way beefier than mine and I'm rarely seeing hitching. I'm assuming you've defragged the drive?
Also, you've got an nVidia card, so you've probably got the nVidia control panel. I nearly doubled my FPS again tonight despite turning on AA by adding VG under Manage 3D Settings. I'm not sure if you've got 1 or 2 displays. I have two and noticed that the default setting was Multiple Display Performance mode. I switched that to Single Display performance mode. I also switched Threaded optimization to On.
Those settings are only for VG, not default settings. YMMV, but it's worth a try.
I also messed around with LOD settings and LightComplexity in my vgclient.ini file some more.
EDIT: BTW, what's your connection? Cable? DSL? Are you using a router? Firewall?
Hey hey! I seem to have made some progress here. Did some 3d setting modifications including the threaded optimization and single display performance and it is running MUCH better now. I'm still gettting some hitching when entering a new town or something but after the inital hitching it runs smooth, and out in the field hitching is pretty minimal. It's playable now at least so hooray!
I'm on seradon with character Margulis by the way if anyone is interested in a new friend in game.
Since you use Nvidia try increasing your max pre-rendered frames setting to 5 or 6 that should help to further smooth things out.
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this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I get a kick out of where he says you can play this now on a low end computer at high settings! I have a good computer and there is plenty of hitching even at 40fps? granted when the game first came oout it was like a slide show but sony needs to get rid of that hitching to be a viable game. Good game with subpar performance
VG is a mistake SOE just seems to refuse to admit. It was billed as EQ 1.5 and being developped by Sigil, who was out of money... i.e. threat of cutting into their subs... zero. They should have let it die there and stayed fixed on EQ/EQ2 for their fanstasy MMOs. VG isn't terrible it just isn't as good as EQ2/LotRo/WAR/AoC/WoW in the fantasy genre. SOE has enough competition outside without worrying about internal competition.
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
Play it before you condem it, you don't crash when you cross the zone lines, you never bloody did the problem is your end not theirs. I've played VG on several widely different machines and crashed maybe twice in my entire 2 year history while crossing the chunk lines.
The game is solid and instead of stereotyping and giving this forum false information based on what you've heard or sall 2 years ago is just flat out annoying.
VG is a mistake SOE just seems to refuse to admit. It was billed as EQ 1.5 and being developped by Sigil, who was out of money... i.e. threat of cutting into their subs... zero. They should have let it die there and stayed fixed on EQ/EQ2 for their fanstasy MMOs. VG isn't terrible it just isn't as good as EQ2/LotRo/WAR/AoC/WoW in the fantasy genre. SOE has enough competition outside without worrying about internal competition.
You need to qualify such statements as being your personal opinion. I play VG and think it is everymuch as good as the games you list.
this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
I hate to so blunt, but let's be honest. This game has been on life support for 2 years. It's time to pull the plug.
You're not being blunt, you're being arrogant. What gives you the right to decide to pull the plug on a game you don't play? Those of us who do play find it enjoyable or we wouldn't continue playing. And if/when the plug is pulled, it will be the decision of SOE, not you.
this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
Only Vista? Vista has been out for a long time now. Windows 7 comes out in October. And it is an issue on Windows 7 as well.
Not as many people bought Vista as was anticipated because of the bad rap it got from the get go. But Windows 7 has been getting a lot of positive promotion. More people are going to be buying into Windows 7 is my guess, so this is going to be a problem on even more peoples machines than before.
I'm just saying, a 2 year old problem that hasn't been fixed is pretty telling. It shows that they have a very small staff that is not giving this game much attention any more to let something like this still slide. Immersion is one of the greatest goals in an MMO, and weather is one of the most immersive effects you can add to a game. Not having this working also might point to some greater problems under the hood.
this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
Only Vista? Vista has been out for a long time now. Windows 7 comes out in October. And it is an issue on Windows 7 as well.
Not as many people bought Vista as was anticipated because of the bad rap it got from the get go. But Windows 7 has been getting a lot of positive promotion. More people are going to be buying into Windows 7 is my guess, so this is going to be a problem on even more peoples machines than before.
I'm just saying, a 2 year old problem that hasn't been fixed is pretty telling. It shows that they have a very small staff that is not giving this game much attention any more to let something like this still slide. Immersion is one of the greatest goals in an MMO, and weather is one of the most immersive effects you can add to a game. Not having this working also might point to some greater problems under the hood.
I haven't tried Win7 yet, so I don't know if it will be a problem or not. I'm not sure it's fair to say the dev team isn't giving a lot of attention to the game. A small team with a limited budget can only accomplish so much. Personally, I'm just happy with how far they have come in spite of the limitations placed on them.
I agree with you on having an immersive environment. It definitely adds to the play experience, although I can remember wishing it wouldn't rain so much in Qeynos Hills in EQ!
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
If you have an Nvidea Card you can mitigate this. It will still happen but less frequently.
From another thread, see the bold:
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Nizur
From what I've read, VG is harsh on hard drives, but you've got a pretty beefy one. Way beefier than mine and I'm rarely seeing hitching. I'm assuming you've defragged the drive?
Also, you've got an nVidia card, so you've probably got the nVidia control panel. I nearly doubled my FPS again tonight despite turning on AA by adding VG under Manage 3D Settings. I'm not sure if you've got 1 or 2 displays. I have two and noticed that the default setting was Multiple Display Performance mode. I switched that to Single Display performance mode. I also switched Threaded optimization to On.
Those settings are only for VG, not default settings. YMMV, but it's worth a try.
I also messed around with LOD settings and LightComplexity in my vgclient.ini file some more.
EDIT: BTW, what's your connection? Cable? DSL? Are you using a router? Firewall?
Hey hey! I seem to have made some progress here. Did some 3d setting modifications including the threaded optimization and single display performance and it is running MUCH better now. I'm still gettting some hitching when entering a new town or something but after the inital hitching it runs smooth, and out in the field hitching is pretty minimal. It's playable now at least so hooray!
I'm on seradon with character Margulis by the way if anyone is interested in a new friend in game.
Since you use Nvidia try increasing your max pre-rendered frames setting to 5 or 6 that should help to further smooth things out.
mm,ty for info ,but im not very good with computer does vanguard have an auto detect auto optimize like guild wars ,it would help me a lot because from what you write theres a lot of setting you mentioned i wouldnt even know where to look let alone play with those
that one issue i have with all game in general !
how come all game maker dont furnish an auto detect auto optimise button
hell even in guild wars i had to go in menu sub-menu gees i had to go so deep it take an engineering diploma in computer just to play a freaking game couldnt the pc game maker put an auto adjust button at the start before you go ingame or anything
i might buy a wii just for that reason ,pc game doesnt play out of the box and game maker expect you to understand what aa means or what directx is or where and all the whats not !
men im so not computer literate am i the only one that want simple plug and play game like the rest of my computer?
am i asking to much ?when i ask an auto -detect ,auto adjust buton, in a very obvious place not hidden where i got to ask microsoft teck support to help me find that setting or what it does
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
You make a lot of assumptions. Is this typically how your thought process works?
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
I like the paragraph above because it proceeds from a false assumption, yet you still felt the need to let us know how you build gaming rigs and you are a part of some 'elite' gaming group. You're just some silly man/boy flexing his bannana brain muscles on the forum playground. You may impress someone, but not this one.
And terrain, and cities, and travel, and music....
It is only a few very specific yet very significant things that fail to draw me back in. Certainly neither of those are among them.
Damn it. Thinking of Vanguard makes me so sad. I'll miss you, Sigil.
EDIT: Terrana, It is easy to make Porgie's assumptions when so many so often complain about 'poor performance' being a fault of a game when they are obviously not equipped to run it as they wish to, then to go on a tirade about how not everyone has supercomputers or some nonsense like that. I sympathize with him.
The point I see is that if you are running a computer that is reasonably equipped for the game in question and you are experiencing performance less than what you should be, it is wise to investigate the matter before pinning it on the game, particularly if you are in a minority amidst those with similar builds. Whereas if it is, in fact, a matter of inferior hardware, there is definitely no justification for complaint.
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I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
You make a lot of assumptions. Is this typically how your thought process works?
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
I like the paragraph above because it proceeds from a false assumption, yet you still felt the need to let us know how you build gaming rigs and you are a part of some 'elite' gaming group. You're just some silly man/boy flexing his bannana brain muscles on the forum playground. You may impress someone, but not this one.
So you counter my "assumptions" with....
wait for it....
ASSUMPTIONS!
And btw, banana's are good for you. Potassium is essential in the firing of those brain neurons. So calling me a banana brain I take as complimentary.
Man/boy? Yeah, I guess that's true. I like to play and be goofy still.
I've never been as excited about this game's future as I am now. I'm really looking forward to all the new stuff in the works, plus working on all the new stuff that has just been released.
This game has had more than enough time to grow and be accepted. Relaunch is a waste. Vanguard is really behind the curve now in visuals, playability, and the population is too small to make any more effort. SOE needs to focus on it's moneymakers. EQ, EQ2, Free Realms. They just keep Vanguard as a Station Pass incentive anyways. Let VG go, concentrate on their current stable of good games, and their future titles that look very good actually. Say goodbye to VG as it is already dead.
I agree. This game is never going to make a come back and as newer games come out its situation will get even worse. SOE would be foolish to waste any more time and money on it.
Besides I recently started up the trial of EQ2 again and its a much better game. The landscapes certainly arent as good as Vanguards but the SOGA character models in EQ2 are very well done as opposed to Vanguards which just look really stupid. Maybe if Vanguards dev team remade their hideous character models then my opinion of their game might improve. The contrast between the beatiful landscapes and the ugly badly made character models was always very jarring for me.......which is strange because a lot of the monster models looked rather good.
Also the "seamless open world" which seems to get used as a big selling point for the game was a big turn off for me and also lots of other potential players too as it just simply means that a lot of time is spent in Vanguard travelling. That doesnt make the gameplay any more interesting. In fact all of this "freedom" only served to expose how lifeless these mmos actually are as opposed to being immersed in the game world. So you can travel to that mountain off in the far distance......errrmm.....great. Whats on it? Some more mobs standing around waiting to be killed. Woopy!
I think this had the exact opposite effect for me. I felt like I was playing in a world as opposed a game where you can only enter certain areas if you were on the appropriate quest. But since this game is a bit of a throwback, people will either like it or hate it.
I like being able to go to that hill and find a new leveling area. or find that I'm outmatched and have to run for my life.
I had an experience where it was late at night (or more like 1:30 am) and I headed toward what I thought was a castle. Though I noticed things were a bit run down I didn't really pay enough attention, just walked my horse to the door and opened it. Suddenly I saw npc's running toward me and thought "hey, what a nice touch to have greeters at the castle". Then I realized they were zombie skeleton things and were more than 10 lvls above me. That's when i ran. I was completely, for lack of a better word, delighted at that mistake.
The game feels very different from EQ2 and LOTRO. I have the EQ2 game up for comparison and though I could go on as to why EQ2 is a good game, it's also a rather goofy game. It has a bit too much of the whimsical for my taste.
I would say that I have agreed with you about Vanguard's models but the more I play the more I sort of see the logic in them. I don't think they are any worse than LOTRO's models. Which also suffers from the beautiful world/odd avatar syndrome.
Ah yes I know the place. I flew over that castle and decided to go lower to take a look.......then my griffon vanished from under me and I fell into the undead waiting below. Who knows maybe they have invisible stretchy arms.
The thing is this isnt anything new and I didnt find it particularly awe inspiring. You can wander into high level areas in other mmos too and (shockingly enough) you will find yourself running away from mobs higher level than you. This has been happening in the earliest mmos. The only difference is that in VG the player is free to attempt most areas in the game at their leisure rather then being shepharded about like in most mmos.....except your still really being guided because the level restrictions are still actually there. Its still a themepark game afterall. Thats not a bad thing by the way......except for the fact that VG tries to enhance the illusion of it being a big open world by allowing the player to see for miles. For me personally all that really did was allow me to confirm that for miles and miles around me there was nothing to see as nothing was happening as its just a static gameworld that never changes. 3D landscape covered with lots of static (or nearly static) mobs waiting around in their pre-programmed areas for the players to come farm them.
If however interesting things happened occasionally in the game "world", such as a very rare and powerful dragon spawning once in a while on a random mountain top and swooping down to terrorise settlements then yeah there might be some point to being able to see for miles. Players would be able to tack the dragon back to its lair or see where it is flying from. Or armies of monsters might occasionally form up and march across the land so players on griffons could fly up high and track their movements.
But nothing like this ever happens because its a static mmo......just like every other static mmo. Removing the barriers between the zones doesnt really change this.
Vanguard isnt actually a terrible game though. I came back to play it for a while several months ago and I was pleasantly surprised by how much it has improved from its nightmarishly bad launch. It does a number of things quite well. It still felt like it was cobbled together rather badly though (eg diplomacy & crafting "spheres" are nothing more than repetitive side games) and after a few weeks it just started to lose its appeal. It just seemed really lifeless to me.
.....but thats ok because there are other games (and better ones on the horizon) to play and things to do! Oh and I agree with what you said about EQ2 being too whimsical and goofy as well. To be honest I dont really think thats a great game either. I'm just playing it every now and again as it seems to be the best the mmo genre has to offer right now.....which is pretty sad really. These games companies seem to be pretty bad at creating decent gameworlds. They always appear to me as though they were thought up by very young children. They also may as well just do away with all the choices they give us for what races we want to play as it never seems to have any relevance in the game. Elf, dwarf, goblin, troll, ogre, dark elf.......who cares? They all end up playing alongside each other anyway despite the supposed background of the games setting. I created a dwarf in VG and yet the trial isle is based on feudal japan. Whats that got to do with my dwarf?!.....and all the other races I saw running around. The same applies to EQ2 as well. Trolls adventuring alongside halflings, dark elves having tea parties with dwarves. Thats not a gameworld. Thats a mess. They could actually do interesting stuff with the different races/factions but instead the games are always designed from the perspective of ONE race - the player (shrug).
But ah well our choices are limited when it comes to mmos, despite the fact that there seem to be so many of them (which is odd really). I hate to say it but WoW seems to be one of the few mmos where your race actually has relevance in the game world. No dwarfs being best mates with Orcs in that game.
.......and no I wont go back to wow. Thanks for the suggestion in advance (not aimed at you Sovrath)
I disagree about Vanguard SOH being the "hard" mode game that they are making it out to be to pull in the EQ fans. It was in the beginning but the developers have made drastic changes to the point it is just as easy or easier than WoW. I left the game when they dumbed it down and took a lot of the unique flavour in the game. They drastically changed grouping and all kinds of game mechanics. In my opinion the Vanguard that exists now isn't the original vision of the Everquest successor. It is more like a WoW clone now.
I forgot to mention they added RMT to the game. YUCK. Vanguard is dead to me, I left and never looked back.
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lol the problem with this game is like most other game a la lotr ,they fail to understand one thing take the minimum computer you can use to run silkroad online and thats what you have to target your graphic etc if you set it higher and aim for usa
lol you ll end up like lotr very nice game that very few can play.and dont forget usa and canada together are what at the most 400 million
if they targeted all their game to be playable on most old asian computer avail , like guild wars did by dev it on laptop
they gain what a possible 2600 million people market say theres 20 % share of that that is gamer you get what 520 million market
lets be conservative and put it at the same pop as usa and canada put together close to 400 million
lol if i was a game maker i would design my game on pentium 1 laptop lol just to make sure the max 3d setting i use can be played on asian market computer
but then i must be wrong because vanguard ,aoc,war all used very fancy graphic setting that almost no asian market can play even if those game became f2p asian just couldnt play them period
wait the 3 games i mentioned are all dying maybe i wasnt so wrong after all lol
I have a free trial so I decided to give it another shot. Atleast for me it still runs like crap, and I can only imagine the crappy performance that would ensue if I was in a full group. If performance is subpar forget it.
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
mm your not the only one i got a 512 mb 8800gt nvidia graphic card its fairly new it should run this game fairly easy lol not really i would need a 2.5 inch casio handheld screen to run this game smoothly if it had as mutch player as guild wars ,imagine if it had 10 million player the game would run at a hasty 1 frame per minute
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
If you have an Nvidea Card you can mitigate this. It will still happen but less frequently.
From another thread, see the bold:
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Nizur
From what I've read, VG is harsh on hard drives, but you've got a pretty beefy one. Way beefier than mine and I'm rarely seeing hitching. I'm assuming you've defragged the drive?
Also, you've got an nVidia card, so you've probably got the nVidia control panel. I nearly doubled my FPS again tonight despite turning on AA by adding VG under Manage 3D Settings. I'm not sure if you've got 1 or 2 displays. I have two and noticed that the default setting was Multiple Display Performance mode. I switched that to Single Display performance mode. I also switched Threaded optimization to On.
Those settings are only for VG, not default settings. YMMV, but it's worth a try.
I also messed around with LOD settings and LightComplexity in my vgclient.ini file some more.
EDIT: BTW, what's your connection? Cable? DSL? Are you using a router? Firewall?
Hey hey! I seem to have made some progress here. Did some 3d setting modifications including the threaded optimization and single display performance and it is running MUCH better now. I'm still gettting some hitching when entering a new town or something but after the inital hitching it runs smooth, and out in the field hitching is pretty minimal. It's playable now at least so hooray!
I'm on seradon with character Margulis by the way if anyone is interested in a new friend in game.
Since you use Nvidia try increasing your max pre-rendered frames setting to 5 or 6 that should help to further smooth things out.
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I think it would only make a come back if it turned Free to Play, like DDO.
this game will never come back , they say things are fixed but they lie , i still crash when i cross their "no zone " lines in kojan , their classes for pvp are still unbalanced and the game is boring ......... however if people came back to it , i would play everyday lol yea i'm a fool like that .......
I get a kick out of where he says you can play this now on a low end computer at high settings! I have a good computer and there is plenty of hitching even at 40fps? granted when the game first came oout it was like a slide show but sony needs to get rid of that hitching to be a viable game. Good game with subpar performance
VG is a mistake SOE just seems to refuse to admit. It was billed as EQ 1.5 and being developped by Sigil, who was out of money... i.e. threat of cutting into their subs... zero. They should have let it die there and stayed fixed on EQ/EQ2 for their fanstasy MMOs. VG isn't terrible it just isn't as good as EQ2/LotRo/WAR/AoC/WoW in the fantasy genre. SOE has enough competition outside without worrying about internal competition.
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
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I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
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Play it before you condem it, you don't crash when you cross the zone lines, you never bloody did the problem is your end not theirs. I've played VG on several widely different machines and crashed maybe twice in my entire 2 year history while crossing the chunk lines.
The game is solid and instead of stereotyping and giving this forum false information based on what you've heard or sall 2 years ago is just flat out annoying.
You need to qualify such statements as being your personal opinion. I play VG and think it is everymuch as good as the games you list.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
You're not being blunt, you're being arrogant. What gives you the right to decide to pull the plug on a game you don't play? Those of us who do play find it enjoyable or we wouldn't continue playing. And if/when the plug is pulled, it will be the decision of SOE, not you.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
Only Vista? Vista has been out for a long time now. Windows 7 comes out in October. And it is an issue on Windows 7 as well.
Not as many people bought Vista as was anticipated because of the bad rap it got from the get go. But Windows 7 has been getting a lot of positive promotion. More people are going to be buying into Windows 7 is my guess, so this is going to be a problem on even more peoples machines than before.
I'm just saying, a 2 year old problem that hasn't been fixed is pretty telling. It shows that they have a very small staff that is not giving this game much attention any more to let something like this still slide. Immersion is one of the greatest goals in an MMO, and weather is one of the most immersive effects you can add to a game. Not having this working also might point to some greater problems under the hood.
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I was kind of thinking the same thing. Fixed???? I dunno.
I still cannot see rain or weather effects when I play. You'd think that would be fixed after 2 YEARS!!!
If I remember correctly, this is only a problem if you're running Vistas, and they are working on it. I'm sure this has a much lower priority than other issues they have worked on, such as performance.
Only Vista? Vista has been out for a long time now. Windows 7 comes out in October. And it is an issue on Windows 7 as well.
Not as many people bought Vista as was anticipated because of the bad rap it got from the get go. But Windows 7 has been getting a lot of positive promotion. More people are going to be buying into Windows 7 is my guess, so this is going to be a problem on even more peoples machines than before.
I'm just saying, a 2 year old problem that hasn't been fixed is pretty telling. It shows that they have a very small staff that is not giving this game much attention any more to let something like this still slide. Immersion is one of the greatest goals in an MMO, and weather is one of the most immersive effects you can add to a game. Not having this working also might point to some greater problems under the hood.
I haven't tried Win7 yet, so I don't know if it will be a problem or not. I'm not sure it's fair to say the dev team isn't giving a lot of attention to the game. A small team with a limited budget can only accomplish so much. Personally, I'm just happy with how far they have come in spite of the limitations placed on them.
I agree with you on having an immersive environment. It definitely adds to the play experience, although I can remember wishing it wouldn't rain so much in Qeynos Hills in EQ!
the framerates increased for me dramatically when i logged back in, but it seems like theres a LOT of hitching now...i can run at a good 60fps but then the game locks up randomly....seeems they solved one problem, only to introduce another on in it's place.
If you have an Nvidea Card you can mitigate this. It will still happen but less frequently.
From another thread, see the bold:
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Nizur
From what I've read, VG is harsh on hard drives, but you've got a pretty beefy one. Way beefier than mine and I'm rarely seeing hitching. I'm assuming you've defragged the drive?
Also, you've got an nVidia card, so you've probably got the nVidia control panel. I nearly doubled my FPS again tonight despite turning on AA by adding VG under Manage 3D Settings. I'm not sure if you've got 1 or 2 displays. I have two and noticed that the default setting was Multiple Display Performance mode. I switched that to Single Display performance mode. I also switched Threaded optimization to On.
Those settings are only for VG, not default settings. YMMV, but it's worth a try.
I also messed around with LOD settings and LightComplexity in my vgclient.ini file some more.
EDIT: BTW, what's your connection? Cable? DSL? Are you using a router? Firewall?
Hey hey! I seem to have made some progress here. Did some 3d setting modifications including the threaded optimization and single display performance and it is running MUCH better now. I'm still gettting some hitching when entering a new town or something but after the inital hitching it runs smooth, and out in the field hitching is pretty minimal. It's playable now at least so hooray!
I'm on seradon with character Margulis by the way if anyone is interested in a new friend in game.
Since you use Nvidia try increasing your max pre-rendered frames setting to 5 or 6 that should help to further smooth things out.
mm,ty for info ,but im not very good with computer does vanguard have an auto detect auto optimize like guild wars ,it would help me a lot because from what you write theres a lot of setting you mentioned i wouldnt even know where to look let alone play with those
that one issue i have with all game in general !
how come all game maker dont furnish an auto detect auto optimise button
hell even in guild wars i had to go in menu sub-menu gees i had to go so deep it take an engineering diploma in computer just to play a freaking game couldnt the pc game maker put an auto adjust button at the start before you go ingame or anything
i might buy a wii just for that reason ,pc game doesnt play out of the box and game maker expect you to understand what aa means or what directx is or where and all the whats not !
men im so not computer literate am i the only one that want simple plug and play game like the rest of my computer?
am i asking to much ?when i ask an auto -detect ,auto adjust buton, in a very obvious place not hidden where i got to ask microsoft teck support to help me find that setting or what it does
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
You make a lot of assumptions. Is this typically how your thought process works?
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
I like the paragraph above because it proceeds from a false assumption, yet you still felt the need to let us know how you build gaming rigs and you are a part of some 'elite' gaming group. You're just some silly man/boy flexing his bannana brain muscles on the forum playground. You may impress someone, but not this one.
And terrain, and cities, and travel, and music....
It is only a few very specific yet very significant things that fail to draw me back in. Certainly neither of those are among them.
Damn it. Thinking of Vanguard makes me so sad. I'll miss you, Sigil.
EDIT: Terrana, It is easy to make Porgie's assumptions when so many so often complain about 'poor performance' being a fault of a game when they are obviously not equipped to run it as they wish to, then to go on a tirade about how not everyone has supercomputers or some nonsense like that. I sympathize with him.
The point I see is that if you are running a computer that is reasonably equipped for the game in question and you are experiencing performance less than what you should be, it is wise to investigate the matter before pinning it on the game, particularly if you are in a minority amidst those with similar builds. Whereas if it is, in fact, a matter of inferior hardware, there is definitely no justification for complaint.
Population seems to be doing good.
Upgrade your computer. It runs fine on mine.
People trying to run this game on their computer they bought from Dell 6 years ago to do desktop applications and then complaining about how it runs too slow really crack me up.
You make a lot of assumptions. Is this typically how your thought process works?
They made a game for you folks who don't buy/build gaming rigs. It's called World of Warcraft. Try it out. But don't take away from the group of us who have no problem building new computers and demanding games for them. We're a market too. And we expect more than just an exploded Easter egg splattered onto visible triangles for graphics.
I like the paragraph above because it proceeds from a false assumption, yet you still felt the need to let us know how you build gaming rigs and you are a part of some 'elite' gaming group. You're just some silly man/boy flexing his bannana brain muscles on the forum playground. You may impress someone, but not this one.
So you counter my "assumptions" with....
wait for it....
ASSUMPTIONS!
And btw, banana's are good for you. Potassium is essential in the firing of those brain neurons. So calling me a banana brain I take as complimentary.
Man/boy? Yeah, I guess that's true. I like to play and be goofy still.
Weeee!!!
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I've never been as excited about this game's future as I am now. I'm really looking forward to all the new stuff in the works, plus working on all the new stuff that has just been released.
I agree. This game is never going to make a come back and as newer games come out its situation will get even worse. SOE would be foolish to waste any more time and money on it.
Besides I recently started up the trial of EQ2 again and its a much better game. The landscapes certainly arent as good as Vanguards but the SOGA character models in EQ2 are very well done as opposed to Vanguards which just look really stupid. Maybe if Vanguards dev team remade their hideous character models then my opinion of their game might improve. The contrast between the beatiful landscapes and the ugly badly made character models was always very jarring for me.......which is strange because a lot of the monster models looked rather good.
Also the "seamless open world" which seems to get used as a big selling point for the game was a big turn off for me and also lots of other potential players too as it just simply means that a lot of time is spent in Vanguard travelling. That doesnt make the gameplay any more interesting. In fact all of this "freedom" only served to expose how lifeless these mmos actually are as opposed to being immersed in the game world. So you can travel to that mountain off in the far distance......errrmm.....great. Whats on it? Some more mobs standing around waiting to be killed. Woopy!
I think this had the exact opposite effect for me. I felt like I was playing in a world as opposed a game where you can only enter certain areas if you were on the appropriate quest. But since this game is a bit of a throwback, people will either like it or hate it.
I like being able to go to that hill and find a new leveling area. or find that I'm outmatched and have to run for my life.
I had an experience where it was late at night (or more like 1:30 am) and I headed toward what I thought was a castle. Though I noticed things were a bit run down I didn't really pay enough attention, just walked my horse to the door and opened it. Suddenly I saw npc's running toward me and thought "hey, what a nice touch to have greeters at the castle". Then I realized they were zombie skeleton things and were more than 10 lvls above me. That's when i ran. I was completely, for lack of a better word, delighted at that mistake.
The game feels very different from EQ2 and LOTRO. I have the EQ2 game up for comparison and though I could go on as to why EQ2 is a good game, it's also a rather goofy game. It has a bit too much of the whimsical for my taste.
I would say that I have agreed with you about Vanguard's models but the more I play the more I sort of see the logic in them. I don't think they are any worse than LOTRO's models. Which also suffers from the beautiful world/odd avatar syndrome.
Ah yes I know the place. I flew over that castle and decided to go lower to take a look.......then my griffon vanished from under me and I fell into the undead waiting below. Who knows maybe they have invisible stretchy arms.
The thing is this isnt anything new and I didnt find it particularly awe inspiring. You can wander into high level areas in other mmos too and (shockingly enough) you will find yourself running away from mobs higher level than you. This has been happening in the earliest mmos. The only difference is that in VG the player is free to attempt most areas in the game at their leisure rather then being shepharded about like in most mmos.....except your still really being guided because the level restrictions are still actually there. Its still a themepark game afterall. Thats not a bad thing by the way......except for the fact that VG tries to enhance the illusion of it being a big open world by allowing the player to see for miles. For me personally all that really did was allow me to confirm that for miles and miles around me there was nothing to see as nothing was happening as its just a static gameworld that never changes. 3D landscape covered with lots of static (or nearly static) mobs waiting around in their pre-programmed areas for the players to come farm them.
If however interesting things happened occasionally in the game "world", such as a very rare and powerful dragon spawning once in a while on a random mountain top and swooping down to terrorise settlements then yeah there might be some point to being able to see for miles. Players would be able to tack the dragon back to its lair or see where it is flying from. Or armies of monsters might occasionally form up and march across the land so players on griffons could fly up high and track their movements.
But nothing like this ever happens because its a static mmo......just like every other static mmo. Removing the barriers between the zones doesnt really change this.
Vanguard isnt actually a terrible game though. I came back to play it for a while several months ago and I was pleasantly surprised by how much it has improved from its nightmarishly bad launch. It does a number of things quite well. It still felt like it was cobbled together rather badly though (eg diplomacy & crafting "spheres" are nothing more than repetitive side games) and after a few weeks it just started to lose its appeal. It just seemed really lifeless to me.
.....but thats ok because there are other games (and better ones on the horizon) to play and things to do! Oh and I agree with what you said about EQ2 being too whimsical and goofy as well. To be honest I dont really think thats a great game either. I'm just playing it every now and again as it seems to be the best the mmo genre has to offer right now.....which is pretty sad really. These games companies seem to be pretty bad at creating decent gameworlds. They always appear to me as though they were thought up by very young children. They also may as well just do away with all the choices they give us for what races we want to play as it never seems to have any relevance in the game. Elf, dwarf, goblin, troll, ogre, dark elf.......who cares? They all end up playing alongside each other anyway despite the supposed background of the games setting. I created a dwarf in VG and yet the trial isle is based on feudal japan. Whats that got to do with my dwarf?!.....and all the other races I saw running around. The same applies to EQ2 as well. Trolls adventuring alongside halflings, dark elves having tea parties with dwarves. Thats not a gameworld. Thats a mess. They could actually do interesting stuff with the different races/factions but instead the games are always designed from the perspective of ONE race - the player (shrug).
But ah well our choices are limited when it comes to mmos, despite the fact that there seem to be so many of them (which is odd really). I hate to say it but WoW seems to be one of the few mmos where your race actually has relevance in the game world. No dwarfs being best mates with Orcs in that game.
.......and no I wont go back to wow. Thanks for the suggestion in advance (not aimed at you Sovrath)
I disagree about Vanguard SOH being the "hard" mode game that they are making it out to be to pull in the EQ fans. It was in the beginning but the developers have made drastic changes to the point it is just as easy or easier than WoW. I left the game when they dumbed it down and took a lot of the unique flavour in the game. They drastically changed grouping and all kinds of game mechanics. In my opinion the Vanguard that exists now isn't the original vision of the Everquest successor. It is more like a WoW clone now.
I forgot to mention they added RMT to the game. YUCK. Vanguard is dead to me, I left and never looked back.