I didn't say the playerbase was to blame for there only being a FFA server. I said the population is to blame.
Had the population not declined there would still be a team PvP server.
I'll just quote you to accentuate how lost you really are.
Lemme guess, next you'll tell us the game is still buggy with poor performance because the population didn't support it properly, and had the players embraced the concept of viral marketing Vanguard would be a smash hit!
After launch of VG i stayed back like after launch of AoC. Now i play AoC with a lot of players who played since launch and it looks the game is going through the right way. Much more palyers in last months. And much more after new patch. Yes a lot of players are sad from this update, but .... that is normal in a way of big changes like in this.
I hope the VG will have the same. I kept this game back, because it failed on launch too and i still wait. But it looks that they will have problems to make this game mor epopulated. Like u said they want to relaunch it and release some relay big change update, what will take an attention of potential players. I hope one day it will go
I cant understand, why a lot of players dont like older games and still looking forward for new releases. If i can say ... now is AoC another game, VG looks much better than was in release. The same was in EQ2 ... EQ2 is one of the content most full games ever and how its around new palyers comunity? Dead... ye, why they all want to go into new games and throwing that games back. Yes im looking forward to play SWTOR, may be Mortal Online etc. .. but why to say i wait for this games i will not play old crap ... damn, why? ... when something will be launched, yes, it can bee good, it can be great, but still ... after a few years it will be much and much better... but a lot of these palyers who waited for these new titles will not see it, because they will be in another noe games in these times. I dont understand, how can be fun for most MMO player to be "Launch tester / Late beta testers" of much release games ....
Originally posted by Trueth Originally posted by shad0w99
I didn't say the playerbase was to blame for there only being a FFA server. I said the population is to blame. Had the population not declined there would still be a team PvP server.
I'll just quote you to accentuate how lost you really are. Lemme guess, next you'll tell us the game is still buggy with poor performance because the population didn't support it properly, and had the players embraced the concept of viral marketing Vanguard would be a smash hit! Try knowing something next time.
And why do you think it was they needed to merge the PvP servers in the first place? Why would any company merge servers for that matter?
Judging by your previous posts it appears I have to spell things out for you. Otherwise I would leave my reply as rhetorical questions for you to work out for yourself.
The answer is... They needed to merge the PvP servers because a lot of people quit the game. It's all very well you showing me a petition signed by all the Team PvP players but had SOE retained what they would consider a reasonable playerbase (and by that I mean size, not quality) the Team PvP server would not have been merged in the first place.
Why they went with a FFA server as opposed to a Team PvP server despite a lot of people asking for it is a totally different matter.
MMOs played (In order of how much I've liked them): Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Vanguard, City of Villains / Heroes, Guild Wars, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Anarchy Online, Ryzom, Final Fantasy XI, Matrix Online, RF Online, Rappelz, Hero Online, Roma Victor
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I see many have different feelings on all aspects of this MMORPG.
Mine? I feel it is still ahead of the curve. It's still "The PS3 of the MMORPG world".
But now that many bugs and problems are taken care of, and the terrific careers and crafting system in game.
I am going back to this wonderful world to fully explore it:)
Keep changing your story, you might eventually get it right. But until then you should just put on your big girl panties and let the people who know, have a conversation.
As to why there is an FFA server and no Team server - I told you already, but you probably missed it in your rush to gush stupid.
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"The reason SOE gave us FFA only (despite a 75 page vote) is because it's the easiest form of PVP to maintain. There are no rules, and therefore its the perfect excuse to not actually have to do anything with it. Where as Team PVP would have issues with race/class restrictions leading to an OP side (and player complaints/issues that could make the server unplayable)."
Listen, lady, because I can only say it so many times - Try knowing something next time.
You want to know what we want? More players! It may sound nice to say "come back!" but it's not that easy. You want my opinion (doubt it, but I'll tell you anyways)? It's simple:
Edit some storyline, rename a few places, add some nostalgia and call it EVERQUEST 3 with a catch subtitle with the word "vanguard" in it! The capabilities and gfx of it are still of next-gen and can get away with it.
Completely repackage it, give it a different name, add a major content package to it and voila.
--------------------------- Former EQ1 Rallos Zek (PvP) Ascendant Chronei Immortal of Rallos Zek (Now @ Prexus)
Now would be the perfect time to ramp up the Vanguard Dev team and relaunch this game. The landscape is completely barren for a massive "world" type fantasy mmo. WoW never was filling for people wanting a MMO with massive depth. EQ2 did ok for a while, but the way it was designed made it too limited for continued growth, and it is now barely hanging on by a thread with the rats ready to jump the ship at any time. LoTRO is extremely niche due to it's predetermined expansion path and lore. There are absolutely no PVE games of note coming in the near future and Vanguard is still more than good enough to position itself to be ready to capture the wandering masses. But many won't play it (myself included), as noone wants to invest the time required to get into a game like Vanguard when they know there is no hope of ever seeing expansions in the future.
But SoE won't do this... They will continue to stubbornly hang onto their flagship titles in SW online, EQ 1 & 2, and Free Realms. With some real effort put into development on this game there is huge potential for it to dominate the high fantasy market at this time.
Vanguard is by far the best MMO around at the moment. The ONLY issue is the lack of population and lack of a faction-based PvP server (Not FFA). Although the population is to blame for not having a server of that type!
Hey, guy who doesn' know WTF he is talking about. All the PVP servers were merged into the FFA Server - The playerbase was not consulted. The playerbase did however ask that team pvp be kept, NOT FFA.
The reason SOE gave us FFA only is because it's the easiest form of PVP to maintain. There are no rules, and therefore its the perfect excuse to not actually have to do anything with it. Where as Team PVP would have issues with race/class restrictions leading to an OP side.
I agree, Vanguard has the best dungeons. Dungeon crawl and grouping, is what makes VG so good, a PvEers paradise. EQ1 had some very cool dungeons and VG just takes on that experience and improves on it. Whilst you can solo, you can raid, by far grouping is the most fun and most rewarding in any game, VG excells at it.
out of the top 5 instances/dungeons i have experianced in MMO's, 3 are from Vanguard.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
I was searching around the web to see if Vanguard was still alive and came upon this forum.
I believe Vanguard to be one of the best current medieval MMO out there today. Currently I am playing WoW (world of warcraft), its a decent game, its not what allot of people comment it to be. For having played MMO's for over ten years now I kinda have a little experience and believe I can honestly say that Vanguard is better than any other MMO I have played.
The other day while playing WoW, I was talking to someone I was grouped with in a random dungeon event. mentioned to him how bad the graphics in WoW is. So I went ahead and made some comparisons with Vanguard to EQ to WoW. First off I told this groupie that WoW uses almost all 2D graphics same like EQ did back in '01, while Vanguard has 3D graphics. He asks me what is 2D graphics? I said well I consider 2D graphics is when you have a tree and it only has two sides. You can run to one said and on the way to the other side the tree is just a sliver on your screen, while Vanguard's trees and mountains and rivers all are like real life.
I then went on to say how there classes are all messed up. He asked me how do I figure that? I told him this is the only game (wow) where a main Tank can be the main healer or can be a main dps'er that I know of. He says thats how it should be, so I then ask him who he thinks should be the highest dps'er in the game. He tells me a shaman or a paladin or maybe a hunter. I later looked it up he was right, there were arguments on shaman and paladin being the highest dps'er, too bad the pure classes like rogues and mages who are suppose to be the real dps'ers aren't even on the list. If I remember correctly thats not how it works in Vanguard.
I later continued telling him how the crafting in WoW sucks, that if a person wants to just do tailoring and not mess with any PvE'ing he cant do that. In WoW you have to be a certain lvl to be a certain lvl in your crafting. I told him thats not how it works in Vanguard.
He then starts to brag that WoW has the best dungeon tactics and game play. I say, yes WoW has some good dungeon game play, a team needs to step out of fire, move or hide behind a rock, run to one spot or run away from the monster, but it always comes down to your gearscore (GS) and your dps'ers. If your dps suck, you will loose the fight, if your gearscore suck you will loose the fight doesn't matter if you did everything correctly. I said in EQ and Vanguard almost everyone can have sucky gear as long as you know the tactics you can progress.
So I ended that convo with him thinking. But he was still brainwashed that WoW is the best game out there.
I just wished that Sony/Vanguard team would like relaunch, and not make a little Isle of Dawn relaunch type of deal. I mean advertise on TV, show what you got. Have Mr. T say that WoW sucks and everyone should try Vanguard. Even use the old EQ tv advertisement and just change the name to Vanguard. Although now knowing how Japanese companies operate, I dont think that Vanguard would ever get what it deserves.
So I am getting sick and tired of playing WoW, like a few people commented about WoW "there shouldn't be a reason why people should have to play a terrible game".
So you logged in WOW just to bash it with random players and when they refused to buy into your Vanguard is better then WOW immature bull crap you labeled them as brainwashed? what were you expecting after this? you sir are a troublemaker trying to stir pot of flames for no reason.
You are in no way helping to make Vanguard more appealing to other players.
Sorry Shastra I dont understand what your getting at.
I am currently playing WoW... been playing WoW since October of last year. I have two lvl 80 charachters (highest lvl on WoW), my GS on my main is over 3k in wow-heroes (farely good score). I really didn't log unto WoW just to find a poor kid and bash on WoW.
I just did a comparison between WoW and EQ and Vanguard. There really isn't much bull crap there that I can see. Wow uses 2D, uses its own D&D rules, has terrible crafting. If that is bashing then I apologize if you are offended by the truth.
Also if saying what I see does not make Vanguard more appealing, oh well... I just say it how I see it.
Sorry Shastra I dont understand what your getting at.
I am currently playing WoW... been playing WoW since October of last year. I have two lvl 80 charachters (highest lvl on WoW), my GS on my main is over 3k in wow-heroes (farely good score). I really didn't log unto WoW just to find a poor kid and bash on WoW.
I just did a comparison between WoW and EQ and Vanguard. There really isn't much bull crap there that I can see. Wow uses 2D, uses its own D&D rules, has terrible crafting. If that is bashing then I apologize if you are offended by the truth.
Also if saying what I see does not make Vanguard more appealing, oh well... I just say it how I see it.
I am not offended by anything you say because there is no truth in your statment just personal opinions. You are making comparisons where there are no comparisons to be made. You can't understand a simple thing that different people like different things. You prefer vanguard more..good for you but insulting others for enjoying WOW and labeling them as brainwashed is not helping your case.
The argument was started buy you so i see you as someone who is desperate to advertise Vanguard to random players by any means necessary. Discuss Vanguard on its own positive and negative instead of comparing it with WOW (everyone does that and its boring and annoying) that way maybe you can generate some interest. Your approach is wrong and just childish. My game is better then your pissing contests are for kids not mature people.
Well, before i go back to see what this game has become, i'll wait for a free comeback trial. I will then maybe take it up and see if 1.mobs no longer warp 200 feet from you when fighting them. 2.characters no longer change their look when logging in from what you had made. 3.the weather (primarily snow) can be turned off and no longer shows when inside a cave/building or whatever. 4.most quests are actually working instead of 1 in 5. 5.there are actually players there playing rather than nobody around to talk/help/get to know. There are probably alot more bugs i had not mentioned from when i last played and last gave it a trial shot (that lasted 5 log-ins and about 3 hrs) before giving up but it has been over a year now, hell maybe even 2, but badness still leaves a nasty taste in ones mouth for quite along time, that one would be reluctant to pay for a month without first see'ing if it is worth it.
If there has been any comeback trials recently then i have not heard or received any e-mail notifications on it and yes i still have the same e-mail, but mostly these (from my experiance) dont bother being sent out to the EU player base anyways.
Sorry Shastra I dont understand what your getting at.
I am currently playing WoW... been playing WoW since October of last year. I have two lvl 80 charachters (highest lvl on WoW), my GS on my main is over 3k in wow-heroes (farely good score). I really didn't log unto WoW just to find a poor kid and bash on WoW.
I just did a comparison between WoW and EQ and Vanguard. There really isn't much bull crap there that I can see. Wow uses 2D, uses its own D&D rules, has terrible crafting. If that is bashing then I apologize if you are offended by the truth.
Also if saying what I see does not make Vanguard more appealing, oh well... I just say it how I see it.
I am not offended by anything you say because there is no truth in your statment just personal opinions. You are making comparisons where there are no comparisons to be made. You can't understand a simple thing that different people like different things. You prefer vanguard more..good for you but insulting others for enjoying WOW and labeling them as brainwashed is not helping your case.
The argument was started buy you so i see you as someone who is desperate to advertise Vanguard to random players by any means necessary. Discuss Vanguard on its own positive and negative instead of comparing it with WOW (everyone does that and its boring and annoying) that way maybe you can generate some interest. Your approach is wrong and just childish. My game is better then your pissing contests are for kids not mature people.
Well theres a little problem here, I didn't state any personal opinions. I mentioned all facts, Wow does use 2D, WoW does use its own D&D rules, you do need to be lvl 80 to have your crafting at lvl 450 in WoW. So I do understand people like different things, but when people comment that WoW has the best graphics of any game out there, when people comment that WoW crafting is the best out there, when people comment that the classes is the best out there, when people comment that WoW is best out there then I say people have been brainwashed... ok I guess brainwashed is a little too much. I would say inexperienced and uninformed instead of brainwashed.
BTW... if you want to call me childish and an immature person, you should learn how to spell, my six year old spells better than you do.
Now Shastra you should follow Manestream's approach, he offered facts and showed why a person shouldn't play Vanguard. I on the other hand showed why a person shouldn't play WoW. So by directly assaulting my comment and calling me names and saying something I am not doing is some what wrong or how you say it 'childish'.
Really? commenting on my spellings? is that they best you got, Yah i spelled two words wrong does that make you feel better now? sorry but when you resort to such cheap tactics it shows you already lost the argument.
Also i am not the one starting vanguard rocks and wow sucks arguments with random players. I enjoy what i play, if i stop enjoying i move on rather than trying to put others down with so called facts. Like someone said on these forums. Good game needs no defense and bad game has no defense. So the way you are trying to promote Vanguard will only annoy people more and not make them come to join you (isn't that what this game needs? more players) your approach is whole wrong and makes vanguard look even worse and desperate.
Now go ahead and comment on my spelling skills all you like, i am done arguing with you.
Nice, I figured you would go after that one sentence rather than the other two paragraphs mentioning how WoW differs from Vanguard. I now know what I am dealing with.
Shastra you need to go back and read the posts I have written in the past day about WoW and Vanguard and there differences. What I have mentioned is that WoW is a decent game, its no "best MMO out there" like so many people have said. If you notice when I said Vanguard is the best "medieval MMO game" out there I didn't say the best of all but I put it in a catagory, unlike many WoW players do not rather, put all MMO's in the same league as WoW.
I believe Star Trek, Star Wars Rebellion, Eve should not be generalized under the same category as WoW, btw I have played those three too. Maybe WoW, Vanguard, Conan, Warhammer, EQ, EQII are in the same category, btw I have played all those six games I just mentioned too. Saying that I have played all those games (and those are just a hand full I have tried out, except for Star Trek I have maxed those games out too) I think I have the right to say that Vanguard is the best of those six Medieval types or better said D&D based games. Shastra can you say the same?
I think the issue here is Shastra you probably have only played WoW and maybe one or two other MMO's. So if you re-read my post I said the big problem is that WoW players are inexperienced and unknowledgable about other MMO's. The big reason why they are like that is because games like Vanguard are surpressed by the big companies (Sony), hence why I said "now that I know how Japanese companies operate".
What vanguard needs is a good PR department, one that can put that game out and be noticed. Then it would have a shot.
If all palyer that talk so god of vanguard did some pr for it. like put upp baners etc it my have i shans.beuse soe whont do aniting ever for pr the game.
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I didn't say the playerbase was to blame for there only being a FFA server. I said the population is to blame.
Had the population not declined there would still be a team PvP server.
I'll just quote you to accentuate how lost you really are.
Lemme guess, next you'll tell us the game is still buggy with poor performance because the population didn't support it properly, and had the players embraced the concept of viral marketing Vanguard would be a smash hit!
Try knowing something next time.
And before you get your Malibu Barbi panties all tangled up, try reading all 75 pages of /signed - Then you'll know.
School----> that way
Apply lemon juice and candle flame here to reveal secret message.
After launch of VG i stayed back like after launch of AoC. Now i play AoC with a lot of players who played since launch and it looks the game is going through the right way. Much more palyers in last months. And much more after new patch. Yes a lot of players are sad from this update, but .... that is normal in a way of big changes like in this.
I hope the VG will have the same. I kept this game back, because it failed on launch too and i still wait. But it looks that they will have problems to make this game mor epopulated. Like u said they want to relaunch it and release some relay big change update, what will take an attention of potential players. I hope one day it will go
I cant understand, why a lot of players dont like older games and still looking forward for new releases. If i can say ... now is AoC another game, VG looks much better than was in release. The same was in EQ2 ... EQ2 is one of the content most full games ever and how its around new palyers comunity? Dead... ye, why they all want to go into new games and throwing that games back. Yes im looking forward to play SWTOR, may be Mortal Online etc. .. but why to say i wait for this games i will not play old crap ... damn, why? ... when something will be launched, yes, it can bee good, it can be great, but still ... after a few years it will be much and much better... but a lot of these palyers who waited for these new titles will not see it, because they will be in another noe games in these times. I dont understand, how can be fun for most MMO player to be "Launch tester / Late beta testers" of much release games ....
I didn't say the playerbase was to blame for there only being a FFA server. I said the population is to blame.
Had the population not declined there would still be a team PvP server.
I'll just quote you to accentuate how lost you really are.
Lemme guess, next you'll tell us the game is still buggy with poor performance because the population didn't support it properly, and had the players embraced the concept of viral marketing Vanguard would be a smash hit!
Try knowing something next time.
And before you get your Malibu Barbi panties all tangled up, try reading all 75 pages of /signed - Then you'll know.
And why do you think it was they needed to merge the PvP servers in the first place? Why would any company merge servers for that matter?
Judging by your previous posts it appears I have to spell things out for you. Otherwise I would leave my reply as rhetorical questions for you to work out for yourself.
The answer is... They needed to merge the PvP servers because a lot of people quit the game. It's all very well you showing me a petition signed by all the Team PvP players but had SOE retained what they would consider a reasonable playerbase (and by that I mean size, not quality) the Team PvP server would not have been merged in the first place.
Why they went with a FFA server as opposed to a Team PvP server despite a lot of people asking for it is a totally different matter.
MMOs played (In order of how much I've liked them): Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Vanguard, City of Villains / Heroes, Guild Wars, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa, Anarchy Online, Ryzom, Final Fantasy XI, Matrix Online, RF Online, Rappelz, Hero Online, Roma Victor
I see many have different feelings on all aspects of this MMORPG.
Mine? I feel it is still ahead of the curve. It's still "The PS3 of the MMORPG world".
But now that many bugs and problems are taken care of, and the terrific careers and crafting system in game.
I am going back to this wonderful world to fully explore it:)
Just One MMOre
Keep changing your story, you might eventually get it right. But until then you should just put on your big girl panties and let the people who know, have a conversation.
As to why there is an FFA server and no Team server - I told you already, but you probably missed it in your rush to gush stupid.
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"The reason SOE gave us FFA only (despite a 75 page vote) is because it's the easiest form of PVP to maintain. There are no rules, and therefore its the perfect excuse to not actually have to do anything with it. Where as Team PVP would have issues with race/class restrictions leading to an OP side (and player complaints/issues that could make the server unplayable)."
Listen, lady, because I can only say it so many times - Try knowing something next time.
You want to know what we want? More players! It may sound nice to say "come back!" but it's not that easy. You want my opinion (doubt it, but I'll tell you anyways)? It's simple:
Edit some storyline, rename a few places, add some nostalgia and call it EVERQUEST 3 with a catch subtitle with the word "vanguard" in it! The capabilities and gfx of it are still of next-gen and can get away with it.
Completely repackage it, give it a different name, add a major content package to it and voila.
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Former EQ1 Rallos Zek (PvP)
Ascendant Chronei Immortal of Rallos Zek
(Now @ Prexus)
Now would be the perfect time to ramp up the Vanguard Dev team and relaunch this game. The landscape is completely barren for a massive "world" type fantasy mmo. WoW never was filling for people wanting a MMO with massive depth. EQ2 did ok for a while, but the way it was designed made it too limited for continued growth, and it is now barely hanging on by a thread with the rats ready to jump the ship at any time. LoTRO is extremely niche due to it's predetermined expansion path and lore. There are absolutely no PVE games of note coming in the near future and Vanguard is still more than good enough to position itself to be ready to capture the wandering masses. But many won't play it (myself included), as noone wants to invest the time required to get into a game like Vanguard when they know there is no hope of ever seeing expansions in the future.
But SoE won't do this... They will continue to stubbornly hang onto their flagship titles in SW online, EQ 1 & 2, and Free Realms. With some real effort put into development on this game there is huge potential for it to dominate the high fantasy market at this time.
Hey, guy who doesn' know WTF he is talking about. All the PVP servers were merged into the FFA Server - The playerbase was not consulted. The playerbase did however ask that team pvp be kept, NOT FFA.
The reason SOE gave us FFA only is because it's the easiest form of PVP to maintain. There are no rules, and therefore its the perfect excuse to not actually have to do anything with it. Where as Team PVP would have issues with race/class restrictions leading to an OP side.
Next time don't post. kthx.
after reading this It ´s my duty to give this game a second chance ,downloading right and now :]
Generation P
out of the top 5 instances/dungeons i have experianced in MMO's, 3 are from Vanguard.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
I was searching around the web to see if Vanguard was still alive and came upon this forum.
I believe Vanguard to be one of the best current medieval MMO out there today. Currently I am playing WoW (world of warcraft), its a decent game, its not what allot of people comment it to be. For having played MMO's for over ten years now I kinda have a little experience and believe I can honestly say that Vanguard is better than any other MMO I have played.
The other day while playing WoW, I was talking to someone I was grouped with in a random dungeon event. mentioned to him how bad the graphics in WoW is. So I went ahead and made some comparisons with Vanguard to EQ to WoW. First off I told this groupie that WoW uses almost all 2D graphics same like EQ did back in '01, while Vanguard has 3D graphics. He asks me what is 2D graphics? I said well I consider 2D graphics is when you have a tree and it only has two sides. You can run to one said and on the way to the other side the tree is just a sliver on your screen, while Vanguard's trees and mountains and rivers all are like real life.
I then went on to say how there classes are all messed up. He asked me how do I figure that? I told him this is the only game (wow) where a main Tank can be the main healer or can be a main dps'er that I know of. He says thats how it should be, so I then ask him who he thinks should be the highest dps'er in the game. He tells me a shaman or a paladin or maybe a hunter. I later looked it up he was right, there were arguments on shaman and paladin being the highest dps'er, too bad the pure classes like rogues and mages who are suppose to be the real dps'ers aren't even on the list. If I remember correctly thats not how it works in Vanguard.
I later continued telling him how the crafting in WoW sucks, that if a person wants to just do tailoring and not mess with any PvE'ing he cant do that. In WoW you have to be a certain lvl to be a certain lvl in your crafting. I told him thats not how it works in Vanguard.
He then starts to brag that WoW has the best dungeon tactics and game play. I say, yes WoW has some good dungeon game play, a team needs to step out of fire, move or hide behind a rock, run to one spot or run away from the monster, but it always comes down to your gearscore (GS) and your dps'ers. If your dps suck, you will loose the fight, if your gearscore suck you will loose the fight doesn't matter if you did everything correctly. I said in EQ and Vanguard almost everyone can have sucky gear as long as you know the tactics you can progress.
So I ended that convo with him thinking. But he was still brainwashed that WoW is the best game out there.
I just wished that Sony/Vanguard team would like relaunch, and not make a little Isle of Dawn relaunch type of deal. I mean advertise on TV, show what you got. Have Mr. T say that WoW sucks and everyone should try Vanguard. Even use the old EQ tv advertisement and just change the name to Vanguard. Although now knowing how Japanese companies operate, I dont think that Vanguard would ever get what it deserves.
So I am getting sick and tired of playing WoW, like a few people commented about WoW "there shouldn't be a reason why people should have to play a terrible game".
So you logged in WOW just to bash it with random players and when they refused to buy into your Vanguard is better then WOW immature bull crap you labeled them as brainwashed? what were you expecting after this? you sir are a troublemaker trying to stir pot of flames for no reason.
You are in no way helping to make Vanguard more appealing to other players.
Sorry Shastra I dont understand what your getting at.
I am currently playing WoW... been playing WoW since October of last year. I have two lvl 80 charachters (highest lvl on WoW), my GS on my main is over 3k in wow-heroes (farely good score). I really didn't log unto WoW just to find a poor kid and bash on WoW.
I just did a comparison between WoW and EQ and Vanguard. There really isn't much bull crap there that I can see. Wow uses 2D, uses its own D&D rules, has terrible crafting. If that is bashing then I apologize if you are offended by the truth.
Also if saying what I see does not make Vanguard more appealing, oh well... I just say it how I see it.
I am not offended by anything you say because there is no truth in your statment just personal opinions. You are making comparisons where there are no comparisons to be made. You can't understand a simple thing that different people like different things. You prefer vanguard more..good for you but insulting others for enjoying WOW and labeling them as brainwashed is not helping your case.
The argument was started buy you so i see you as someone who is desperate to advertise Vanguard to random players by any means necessary. Discuss Vanguard on its own positive and negative instead of comparing it with WOW (everyone does that and its boring and annoying) that way maybe you can generate some interest. Your approach is wrong and just childish. My game is better then your pissing contests are for kids not mature people.
Well, before i go back to see what this game has become, i'll wait for a free comeback trial. I will then maybe take it up and see if 1.mobs no longer warp 200 feet from you when fighting them. 2.characters no longer change their look when logging in from what you had made. 3.the weather (primarily snow) can be turned off and no longer shows when inside a cave/building or whatever. 4.most quests are actually working instead of 1 in 5. 5.there are actually players there playing rather than nobody around to talk/help/get to know. There are probably alot more bugs i had not mentioned from when i last played and last gave it a trial shot (that lasted 5 log-ins and about 3 hrs) before giving up but it has been over a year now, hell maybe even 2, but badness still leaves a nasty taste in ones mouth for quite along time, that one would be reluctant to pay for a month without first see'ing if it is worth it.
If there has been any comeback trials recently then i have not heard or received any e-mail notifications on it and yes i still have the same e-mail, but mostly these (from my experiance) dont bother being sent out to the EU player base anyways.
Well theres a little problem here, I didn't state any personal opinions. I mentioned all facts, Wow does use 2D, WoW does use its own D&D rules, you do need to be lvl 80 to have your crafting at lvl 450 in WoW. So I do understand people like different things, but when people comment that WoW has the best graphics of any game out there, when people comment that WoW crafting is the best out there, when people comment that the classes is the best out there, when people comment that WoW is best out there then I say people have been brainwashed... ok I guess brainwashed is a little too much. I would say inexperienced and uninformed instead of brainwashed.
BTW... if you want to call me childish and an immature person, you should learn how to spell, my six year old spells better than you do.
Now Shastra you should follow Manestream's approach, he offered facts and showed why a person shouldn't play Vanguard. I on the other hand showed why a person shouldn't play WoW. So by directly assaulting my comment and calling me names and saying something I am not doing is some what wrong or how you say it 'childish'.
Really? commenting on my spellings? is that they best you got, Yah i spelled two words wrong does that make you feel better now? sorry but when you resort to such cheap tactics it shows you already lost the argument.
Also i am not the one starting vanguard rocks and wow sucks arguments with random players. I enjoy what i play, if i stop enjoying i move on rather than trying to put others down with so called facts. Like someone said on these forums. Good game needs no defense and bad game has no defense. So the way you are trying to promote Vanguard will only annoy people more and not make them come to join you (isn't that what this game needs? more players) your approach is whole wrong and makes vanguard look even worse and desperate.
Now go ahead and comment on my spelling skills all you like, i am done arguing with you.
Nice, I figured you would go after that one sentence rather than the other two paragraphs mentioning how WoW differs from Vanguard. I now know what I am dealing with.
Shastra you need to go back and read the posts I have written in the past day about WoW and Vanguard and there differences. What I have mentioned is that WoW is a decent game, its no "best MMO out there" like so many people have said. If you notice when I said Vanguard is the best "medieval MMO game" out there I didn't say the best of all but I put it in a catagory, unlike many WoW players do not rather, put all MMO's in the same league as WoW.
I believe Star Trek, Star Wars Rebellion, Eve should not be generalized under the same category as WoW, btw I have played those three too. Maybe WoW, Vanguard, Conan, Warhammer, EQ, EQII are in the same category, btw I have played all those six games I just mentioned too. Saying that I have played all those games (and those are just a hand full I have tried out, except for Star Trek I have maxed those games out too) I think I have the right to say that Vanguard is the best of those six Medieval types or better said D&D based games. Shastra can you say the same?
I think the issue here is Shastra you probably have only played WoW and maybe one or two other MMO's. So if you re-read my post I said the big problem is that WoW players are inexperienced and unknowledgable about other MMO's. The big reason why they are like that is because games like Vanguard are surpressed by the big companies (Sony), hence why I said "now that I know how Japanese companies operate".
What vanguard needs is a good PR department, one that can put that game out and be noticed. Then it would have a shot.
If all palyer that talk so god of vanguard did some pr for it. like put upp baners etc it my have i shans.beuse soe whont do aniting ever for pr the game.
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