I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Reading every post on this thread confirms this: the problem with PvP is the PvPers. Hardcore PvP predominantly attracts bullies, not the ideal platonic theoretical competitive gamer posited by those who say "PvPers are as diverse as other gamers." Anyway, even if PvPers are as diverse as PvEers (and I don't buy it), the presence of a significant percentage of hateful people who, for example, and I quote, "love to teabag players I kill, especially in front of their friends," makes it an unpleasant experience not worth playing for free, let alone for a subscription fee. You guys really need help. You can't possibly be doing well in real life. Your expressed values make you textbook examples of the sociopath. And I predict that any post in response to this will further demonstrate my point, or else be mindless assertion that my experience of PvP never happened, or is a reuslt of some delusion of my own.
But this much is certain: Hardcore PvP (as opposed to playing around in Arathi, or "monster play" in LotRO, or whatever) is a minority taste in the US and Europe, which developers are exploring in order to carve off a slice of WoW and EQ and LotRO, not a large enough group to sustain a large subscription base over the long haul. So these games will always be secondary in the West. Let me pre-empt one of the responses likely to come, and just say: EVEEVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE. Yeah, EvE, so what? it's a successful game, on a niche level. It will not happen again anytime soon. That really is the number of people who are interested in this style of game play. It's not going to increase in any meaningful way. Go take your anger at this suppressed knowledge on some 14 year old in your game, and allow the rest of us to maintain some sense of proportion about what are, after all, games.
You should give the PvP a chance. I just got done rifting in the CBT and it was a blast (grouping is the way to go).
Got me over 50 kills (granted It's not a lot, and most of the kill credit goes to my team mates) and only died 3 times.
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I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Amen to that. I also have a son in Iraq and despise PvP. I also agree with the OP in that this game will have a very small PVE community. I think the game is gorgeous, but not even the eye candy can entice me to give it a try.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I'm interested to see how you'll get by trying to "spam" one attack. Whatever, I just hope that I don't get lumped in with guy's like Forumfall just because I enjoy PvP and, yes, I enjoy forced PvP.
It gets old having to listen to the same old same old "PvP players are just big bullies!" mantra that gets repeated to the point of redundancy. I don't see how having an attitude such as "how well can I do" or "how can I better my self in PvP" is terrible. Actually, I can't see how you could find that negative. Do you want everyone to not try, not care or do you want everyone to go to this zerg mentality of being in a group.
I play PvP games alongside a few good friends. At the most we usually have enough to fill out one party, and usually we stick to small scale guilds. Why is this "us versus the world" attitude so bad? Why can't we strive to become some of the best players, or at least best at our class, on a server? It confuses me really.
I know you mentioned DAoC, I don't see what's so terribly different than from today other than someones aging memories.
I'm not going to call anyone a carebear or a sissy though (unless it's with the intention of provoking them ;p) but really I don't get what's so bad about enjoying smaller scale PvP as apposed to a large, well, zerg.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Oh come on now, it's a game. No one thinks they're crazy tough shit because they play a game, they play it for fun.
Reading every post on this thread confirms this: the problem with PvP is the PvPers. Hardcore PvP predominantly attracts bullies, not the ideal platonic theoretical competitive gamer posited by those who say "PvPers are as diverse as other gamers." Anyway, even if PvPers are as diverse as PvEers (and I don't buy it), the presence of a significant percentage of hateful people who, for example, and I quote, "love to teabag players I kill, especially in front of their friends," makes it an unpleasant experience not worth playing for free, let alone for a subscription fee. You guys really need help. You can't possibly be doing well in real life. Your expressed values make you textbook examples of the sociopath. And I predict that any post in response to this will further demonstrate my point, or else be mindless assertion that my experience of PvP never happened, or is a reuslt of some delusion of my own.
Really, I hate this. The people I play with and go game to game with my PvP group are some of the nicest people you will have ever met. Yes, we enjoy trashtalk when it's needed -- after all it's a game. You need to realize that people don't take it seriously, they don't take all of this trash talk seriously either. (And no, I don't teabag people.. it's silly).
You need to go into a PvP game with a carefree mentality. If you end up caring too much about some dude ganking you or some guy calling a carebear you won't get jackshit anywhere in the game.
Calling people who enjoy PvP sociopaths though is just borderline (well, beyond) stupid. We aren't batshit crazy because we enjoy fighting other players in a video game, do you consider anyone who plays FPS games or fighting games to be sociopaths as well?
I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Amen to that. I also have a son in Iraq and despise PvP. I also agree with the OP in that this game will have a very small PVE community. I think the game is gorgeous, but not even the eye candy can entice me to give it a try.
Im not sure when but i think my beta key will get me into some pvp at some point and as said will make my decision then but im not holding out much hope. Hope your son stays safe, my boy did a year in Iraq and leaves for Afganistan next saturday.
In order to get the most out of any game you must step outside of your box from time to time and explore all of the content.
I like doing both PVP & PVE but the best part is doing it with friends or strangers. If you are a lone wolf then every game you play will seem boring. You might as well stick to single player games (it will be cheaper for you in the long run).
This is mostly directed to soloers and not at the OP^^
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I understand the folks who don't like forced PvP. Contrary to what all the "leet" dudes think, it has nothing to do with lack of skill, being a "sissy" or all the other rubbish people post to make themselves feel better about their "skills". Its a matter of time and frustration, for the most part. They don't feel like getting ganked by someone 10 levels higher or a group of people and having to run back, pick up the quest where they left off, only to get ganked again. I can understand that.
I am just the opposite. I like the atmosphere Open PvP creates. Not the "leet" dudes it creates, but the atmosphere itself. I like having to constantly look over my shoulders for the enemy. I like having to plan mob pulls around whether or not I may get ganked. Its fun, but its not for everyone.
I will say that, other than The Abyss, ganking in Aion is pretty rare and you normally have ample warning to be on your guard before it happens. When a Rift opens, its broadcast across the zone, when someone kills a few players their position is broadcast on the map and the debuffs begins. Most ganking parties outside the Abyss are pretty short lived. Lots of action for a short period of time and then everything is back to normal and you can go back to questing. It adds a bit of danger but little, to no, inconvenience.
In the Abyss its different, it is a PvP zone and ganking happens fairly often. Luckily, its mostly of the group vs. group variety (think of DAoC's 8 vs 8), but you do get ganked. There are quests in there so it happens while questing as well.
At its heart Aion is a PvP game in the same way as DAoC was a PvP game. Yes, you can do solely PvE, but you are cutting yourself out of a substantial portion of the game. It is possible to level solely in PvE areas and avoid the Rifts by watching for when they pop up, they are fairly rare (once every two hours or so). However, the Abyss is where its at and its incredible fun.
By they way, I have a post on my blog detailing my feelings on ganking and Open PvP in quest areas, take a look at it if you would like, I would love to hear your responses to it! Its located here: I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
I never got this whining about forced pvp... First of all, I got killed rarely on my way to 40 on caion. Second thing, I could mostly escape and then continue to do my leveling/questing. Third, even when I got killed, I lost 1 minute to get back to my original spot and they were always gone by then. Fourth, in the patches that korea has there are already countermeasures to slow down rift-pvpers. Howmuch of a sissy can you be to let this occasional pvp encounter stop you from playing a game that you actualy like. Afterall the update logs for the koreans show that they are working on raids, dungeons, crafting etc. Meh I don't get howmuch of a softie you can be to let that effect you somuch... PS: Carebear
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
I nowhere said that I'm a hardcore tough guy pvper (else I'd be playing eve/df) or that I am a riftganker. My point is if you like the game and refuse to play it because of the possibility of getting ganked maybe once an hour then you are beeing silly.
And even if ganked you need a bloody minute to get back to your spot. How exactly is this ruining your fun? How exactly is this a problem? I have been playing my two chars on caion for long enough to know that ganking in aion won't happen the way some of you imagine it.
Anyhow in kaion there are already countermeasures to reduce it even more.
PS: Again you are sissies for letting this little tiny bit of pvp stop you from playing a game that you otherwise might like.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies.
The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess...
then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever.
Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion!
PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies. The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess... then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever. Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion! PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
warhammer didnot had good pvp ?? dude you even know what you are talking about?? it had one of the best pvp format .the only problem was population . its too early to predict aion as success . as i dont see aion population to be hitting skyrocketting.
After playing this beta weekend and following the game for quite sometime, I'd have to say that this might finally be the game to get me pumped about PvP.
I've never been a fan of PvP in most games because it never made any sense as to why it was there. I just felt like a tacked-on feature for the bloodthirsty little meatheads that wanted to go around griefing, or to play a nice game of grab-ass with their likeminded counterparts.
But the overall story and setting for Aion actually gives a reason and purpose as to why PvP should even exist. It's meaningful PvP, with clear-cut sides and factions, and rewards for taking part in it. The best guilds in this game will be the ones who organize, stratigize, and work as a team. The ones that just want to go around solo-griefing folks will be the ones who eventually drop out of this game. Also, the way some of your skills combo and compliment one another gives a real sense that if you think about how you take on an opponent, you can come out victorious.
So yeah, I'm actually letting the PvP aspect of this game draw me in and I have to say in complete honesty that I see myself buying this game at launch. And I think other people should give this game's PvP a chance and not base it off their first negative experience with it.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies. The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess... then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever. Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion! PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
warhammer didnot had good pvp ?? dude you even know what you are talking about?? it had one of the best pvp format .the only problem was population . its too early to predict aion as success . as i dont see aion population to be hitting skyrocketting.
Yes! WAR PvP was soo goot that they had to shut down 40 servers from launch and there are only 2 active medium servers left. WAR was GREAT.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies. The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess... then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever. Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion! PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
No1 gets killed in soccer.football,tennis etc so i dont see the link
Most of the popular video games are for example Legend of zelda (52 Million units sold) Mario brother, Final fantasy series, resident evil all of them have no PvP besides most of the game you named are single player which means no PvP
Guild Wars and WoW are also strong for their PvE hell i dare to claim if wow was only PvP it wud most likely didnt even cross the million sub mark. but then thats speculation coz 90% of WoW is PvE.
You use the term "carebear" so you aremost likely looking for a "hardcore" game, they all seem to fail.
Like it or not most of the mmo (not necciseraly Aion's) community want good PvE, even in a PvP game and alot of them dont want it forced ( wow, guild wars and even Eve are not forced)
This game will do just fine in the NA/EU market. If it fails it will be due to bots/hacks or a lack of updates/content patching by NCSoft. Not because the game focuses on an open world endgame PvP system.
Ever heard of Dark Age of Camelot? There is a reason many people still herald it as the best MMO ever made. It did quite well in NA/EU.
The only reason these other recent PvP oriented games flopped is because... wel..., they sucked.
As I stated in the beginning of my post, I had previously stated this would be the last EVER mmorpg game I buy and stick with, Well, I had been looking forward to it for 3+ years, I had worked on a fan site for it, I had joined the largest US community of Aion, I was already in a pre determined Legion community.... If all of that does not prove that I was a devoted Aion enthusiast I don't know what will. I just wish Aion gave me the option to enjoy the game the way I want to enjoy it, not force me into a pre determined play style that I despise. An even bigger shocker is that I had no idea Aion was going to be a PvP based game until recently, I can't believe that in all those years of looking into Aion and in all those hours I spent on the beta testings, I never bothered to ask how the PvP would be until recently. Guess a lot of that is really my own fault too
How have you been following this game for years and didn't realize its primarily a PvP game?
The first day I saw it(about 2 months ago), I read the description of the Abyss, and I realized this was a game that revolved around open-world PvP.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies. The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess... then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever. Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion! PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
No1 gets killed in soccer.football,tennis etc so i dont see the link
Most of the popular video games are for example Legend of zelda (52 Million units sold) Mario brother, Final fantasy series, resident evil all of them have no PvP besides most of the game you named are single player which means no PvP
Guild Wars and WoW are also strong for their PvE hell i dare to claim if wow was only PvP it wud most likely didnt even cross the million sub mark. but then thats speculation coz 90% of WoW is PvE.
You use the term "carebear" so you aremost likely looking for a "hardcore" game, they all seem to fail.
Like it or not most of the mmo (not necciseraly Aion's) community want good PvE, even in a PvP game and alot of them dont want it forced ( wow, guild wars and even Eve are not forced)
Neither is Aion. You can level to 50 in the regular zones. However thats more or less where it will end for you. Level alts I suppose. They advertised the game as what it is so I dont see the problem. Dont want to pvp then dont play, its not a foreign concept. If it fails it fails but in the meantime I will enjoy as will many others.
Nowhere in my post did i stated that i'm not gonna enjoy Aion as it is, because im sure i wil.
I dont mind the open pvp and pvp endgame, but i wont mind if they add an PvE'ish ruleset either or RP for the people that want that. Im sure with a server without the rifts you can still fully enjoy the end game PvP in Aion.
This discussion is not about PvP but forced PvP, those are 2 different things.
12 new Dungeons btw in the launch version so i think there will be enough to keep all players busy
First let me say I am not playing Aion or have I even read much about it but I wanted to comment on the 'forced pvp' aspect. It's not forced because you can choose whether to play or not. This is what I never understand about mmo's and the people that play them. As soon as they decide to play it they start trying to mold it in the image they want. This, in my humble opinion, is why most mmo's are just copies of previous mmo's because we as the players of mmo's insist on things being the way we want. Now most of us will go ahead and play it anyway but not without creating a ruckuss on the games forums about what we don't like.
Ok that was how I felt. I offer one example of what I speak. A long time ago (same galaxy) I started playing a new online game called Ultima Online. Revolutionary for it's day, full of bugs and soon to be failed concepts in design. It had open pvp (we didn't call it that then) with pk's (player killers) in abundance. You could even die in town if the killer didn't mind dieing for it. And if you died the vultures (the other players) would rush to strip your body of everything you own. Entire guilds lived to pk others and entire guilds we're made to combat the pk guilds. All the while, the average joe (me in this case) tried to go about our business, Ie mining, crafting ect. This is why the pk concept worked as the non-pk and the pk we're in the same word together. So it was a complete world and it truely felt alive.
And I hated it. I wasn't alone in this feeling as I'm guessing 80-90% of the players felt as I did. You couldn't have your fun without always trying to escape being killed. And to top it off, the cheats appeared almost right away. It was like the wild west as anything went. In reality, the game wasn't really playable due to the bugs, cheats and pvp.
Finally, I miss it greatly. I miss that feeling of how alive the world felt. I miss the cooperative spirit that developed as didn't groups of people banded together to try and deal with the pk's. I was just too overwhelmed to realize what a good thing the game was. The masses assaulted the game company (Origin Systems at the time), folks cancelled accounts and the forums we're a nightmare. And it's all gone now. Oh the game is still there but it's an insulated experience now with 2 almost identical worlds cooexisting together. One completely safe and one not. The old world still exists pretty much like it was in the beginning (with some safety nets to fall back on) still filled with cheats, exploits and hacks. Most play in the safe world while the old world is just pvp. You kill me, I kill you back.
I don't know how this affects this conversation or what the moral of the story is. You can decide that for yourself. But I make one tiny request for this new game. Give it a chance and experience it the way the designers planned it and if you don't like parts of it try and learn to deal with it and if you can't please play something else.
Let it grow and develop before you destroy it and turn it into what you personally want. If you can't do this then don't complain in the future about how all mmo's are clones and nothing new ever comes out. It's still a business and the designers will cave eventually to financial pressures. You might just be part of something unique and wonderful and very, very short-lived. Thanks for reading. Mummy (spider of lotro pvp). BW.
If the PvP was more accessable and better balanced, I don't think it would be that bad. I mean, if you felt like it was just part of the game, rather than feeling compelled to do it just to advance, it would probably be alot more fun. But then again Aion is just another gear treadmill, so unless you have the gear to compete, you have to go through the hazing process. Lame.
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Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
i dont think it will
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Reading every post on this thread confirms this: the problem with PvP is the PvPers. Hardcore PvP predominantly attracts bullies, not the ideal platonic theoretical competitive gamer posited by those who say "PvPers are as diverse as other gamers." Anyway, even if PvPers are as diverse as PvEers (and I don't buy it), the presence of a significant percentage of hateful people who, for example, and I quote, "love to teabag players I kill, especially in front of their friends," makes it an unpleasant experience not worth playing for free, let alone for a subscription fee. You guys really need help. You can't possibly be doing well in real life. Your expressed values make you textbook examples of the sociopath. And I predict that any post in response to this will further demonstrate my point, or else be mindless assertion that my experience of PvP never happened, or is a reuslt of some delusion of my own.
But this much is certain: Hardcore PvP (as opposed to playing around in Arathi, or "monster play" in LotRO, or whatever) is a minority taste in the US and Europe, which developers are exploring in order to carve off a slice of WoW and EQ and LotRO, not a large enough group to sustain a large subscription base over the long haul. So these games will always be secondary in the West. Let me pre-empt one of the responses likely to come, and just say: EVEEVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE EVE. Yeah, EvE, so what? it's a successful game, on a niche level. It will not happen again anytime soon. That really is the number of people who are interested in this style of game play. It's not going to increase in any meaningful way. Go take your anger at this suppressed knowledge on some 14 year old in your game, and allow the rest of us to maintain some sense of proportion about what are, after all, games.
You should give the PvP a chance. I just got done rifting in the CBT and it was a blast (grouping is the way to go).
Got me over 50 kills (granted It's not a lot, and most of the kill credit goes to my team mates) and only died 3 times.
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Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Amen to that. I also have a son in Iraq and despise PvP. I also agree with the OP in that this game will have a very small PVE community. I think the game is gorgeous, but not even the eye candy can entice me to give it a try.
I'm interested to see how you'll get by trying to "spam" one attack. Whatever, I just hope that I don't get lumped in with guy's like Forumfall just because I enjoy PvP and, yes, I enjoy forced PvP.
It gets old having to listen to the same old same old "PvP players are just big bullies!" mantra that gets repeated to the point of redundancy. I don't see how having an attitude such as "how well can I do" or "how can I better my self in PvP" is terrible. Actually, I can't see how you could find that negative. Do you want everyone to not try, not care or do you want everyone to go to this zerg mentality of being in a group.
I play PvP games alongside a few good friends. At the most we usually have enough to fill out one party, and usually we stick to small scale guilds. Why is this "us versus the world" attitude so bad? Why can't we strive to become some of the best players, or at least best at our class, on a server? It confuses me really.
I know you mentioned DAoC, I don't see what's so terribly different than from today other than someones aging memories.
I'm not going to call anyone a carebear or a sissy though (unless it's with the intention of provoking them ;p) but really I don't get what's so bad about enjoying smaller scale PvP as apposed to a large, well, zerg.
Oh come on now, it's a game. No one thinks they're crazy tough shit because they play a game, they play it for fun.
Really, I hate this. The people I play with and go game to game with my PvP group are some of the nicest people you will have ever met. Yes, we enjoy trashtalk when it's needed -- after all it's a game. You need to realize that people don't take it seriously, they don't take all of this trash talk seriously either. (And no, I don't teabag people.. it's silly).
You need to go into a PvP game with a carefree mentality. If you end up caring too much about some dude ganking you or some guy calling a carebear you won't get jackshit anywhere in the game.
Calling people who enjoy PvP sociopaths though is just borderline (well, beyond) stupid. We aren't batshit crazy because we enjoy fighting other players in a video game, do you consider anyone who plays FPS games or fighting games to be sociopaths as well?
Isnt it obvious? Its you online tough guys that scare us carebears so badly. I didnt realize how tough you had to be to play a game on the internet. Hell im scared to death just typing this.
When I was a child, the bullies hung out on the playground.
I guess now they get their jollies by hanging out in PVP games.
A lot of people who play PVP games today do not understand the true nature of and how wonderful PVP can be. We lost that in DAOC. It seems ever since PVP has been all about ME ME ME. How great can I be? How well can I do? I am the most awesomest player on this server.
Most PVP'ers today who call others carebear/noob/sissy/etc..... would get owned in DAOC. We ran noobs out of that game because the game was centered around a well-run, well-executed strategy with people fulfilling their roles and acting almost like a military in their organizations and roles.
PVP is now jumping in circles, spamming 1 over-powered attack. How sad it truly is. And honestly, I feel PVP in Aion will be no different.
I dont mind PVP when i choose to play PVP but im not really interested in a game where PVP is the main focus. As for Aion i will see whats what but im not expecting much from the community at all. While i do not think i have the PVP experience you do ive seen this type of people ingame and have to smile and think of the men (my son being one) overseas doing real battle so these wannabe tough guys can play their games.
Amen to that. I also have a son in Iraq and despise PvP. I also agree with the OP in that this game will have a very small PVE community. I think the game is gorgeous, but not even the eye candy can entice me to give it a try.
Im not sure when but i think my beta key will get me into some pvp at some point and as said will make my decision then but im not holding out much hope. Hope your son stays safe, my boy did a year in Iraq and leaves for Afganistan next saturday.
In order to get the most out of any game you must step outside of your box from time to time and explore all of the content.
I like doing both PVP & PVE but the best part is doing it with friends or strangers. If you are a lone wolf then every game you play will seem boring. You might as well stick to single player games (it will be cheaper for you in the long run).
This is mostly directed to soloers and not at the OP^^
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I understand the folks who don't like forced PvP. Contrary to what all the "leet" dudes think, it has nothing to do with lack of skill, being a "sissy" or all the other rubbish people post to make themselves feel better about their "skills". Its a matter of time and frustration, for the most part. They don't feel like getting ganked by someone 10 levels higher or a group of people and having to run back, pick up the quest where they left off, only to get ganked again. I can understand that.
I am just the opposite. I like the atmosphere Open PvP creates. Not the "leet" dudes it creates, but the atmosphere itself. I like having to constantly look over my shoulders for the enemy. I like having to plan mob pulls around whether or not I may get ganked. Its fun, but its not for everyone.
I will say that, other than The Abyss, ganking in Aion is pretty rare and you normally have ample warning to be on your guard before it happens. When a Rift opens, its broadcast across the zone, when someone kills a few players their position is broadcast on the map and the debuffs begins. Most ganking parties outside the Abyss are pretty short lived. Lots of action for a short period of time and then everything is back to normal and you can go back to questing. It adds a bit of danger but little, to no, inconvenience.
In the Abyss its different, it is a PvP zone and ganking happens fairly often. Luckily, its mostly of the group vs. group variety (think of DAoC's 8 vs 8), but you do get ganked. There are quests in there so it happens while questing as well.
At its heart Aion is a PvP game in the same way as DAoC was a PvP game. Yes, you can do solely PvE, but you are cutting yourself out of a substantial portion of the game. It is possible to level solely in PvE areas and avoid the Rifts by watching for when they pop up, they are fairly rare (once every two hours or so). However, the Abyss is where its at and its incredible fun.
By they way, I have a post on my blog detailing my feelings on ganking and Open PvP in quest areas, take a look at it if you would like, I would love to hear your responses to it! Its located here: I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?
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I nowhere said that I'm a hardcore tough guy pvper (else I'd be playing eve/df) or that I am a riftganker. My point is if you like the game and refuse to play it because of the possibility of getting ganked maybe once an hour then you are beeing silly.
And even if ganked you need a bloody minute to get back to your spot. How exactly is this ruining your fun? How exactly is this a problem? I have been playing my two chars on caion for long enough to know that ganking in aion won't happen the way some of you imagine it.
Anyhow in kaion there are already countermeasures to reduce it even more.
PS: Again you are sissies for letting this little tiny bit of pvp stop you from playing a game that you otherwise might like.
lol, I knew I would see tears of the "forced pvp" cry babies.
The truth is, pretty much all the worlds entertainment is "pvp" based. Soccer, football, tennis, cricket, formula1, poker, chess...
then you look at all the most popular video games in the world, or at least in history... Streetfighter2 (and all those beatemups) then FPS, Doom, Quake, Unreal, Counter strike, Far cry, .. some of the most popular games ever.
Then look at mmo's, mmo's that fail are those which dont have good Pvp, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer, AoC, auto assault... The mmo's that succeed are those which gave good Pvp, WoW, Guildwars, Eve, and yes Aion!
PvP is the natural progression of fun, excitment and entertainment, competition is in our human nature, everywhere you look in every aspect of life you see competition, from business to pleasure. try to stay open minded or you will miss out.
warhammer didnot had good pvp ?? dude you even know what you are talking about?? it had one of the best pvp format .the only problem was population . its too early to predict aion as success . as i dont see aion population to be hitting skyrocketting.
After playing this beta weekend and following the game for quite sometime, I'd have to say that this might finally be the game to get me pumped about PvP.
I've never been a fan of PvP in most games because it never made any sense as to why it was there. I just felt like a tacked-on feature for the bloodthirsty little meatheads that wanted to go around griefing, or to play a nice game of grab-ass with their likeminded counterparts.
But the overall story and setting for Aion actually gives a reason and purpose as to why PvP should even exist. It's meaningful PvP, with clear-cut sides and factions, and rewards for taking part in it. The best guilds in this game will be the ones who organize, stratigize, and work as a team. The ones that just want to go around solo-griefing folks will be the ones who eventually drop out of this game. Also, the way some of your skills combo and compliment one another gives a real sense that if you think about how you take on an opponent, you can come out victorious.
So yeah, I'm actually letting the PvP aspect of this game draw me in and I have to say in complete honesty that I see myself buying this game at launch. And I think other people should give this game's PvP a chance and not base it off their first negative experience with it.
warhammer didnot had good pvp ?? dude you even know what you are talking about?? it had one of the best pvp format .the only problem was population . its too early to predict aion as success . as i dont see aion population to be hitting skyrocketting.
Yes! WAR PvP was soo goot that they had to shut down 40 servers from launch and there are only 2 active medium servers left. WAR was GREAT.
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No1 gets killed in soccer.football,tennis etc so i dont see the link
Most of the popular video games are for example Legend of zelda (52 Million units sold) Mario brother, Final fantasy series, resident evil all of them have no PvP besides most of the game you named are single player which means no PvP
Guild Wars and WoW are also strong for their PvE hell i dare to claim if wow was only PvP it wud most likely didnt even cross the million sub mark. but then thats speculation coz 90% of WoW is PvE.
You use the term "carebear" so you aremost likely looking for a "hardcore" game, they all seem to fail.
Like it or not most of the mmo (not necciseraly Aion's) community want good PvE, even in a PvP game and alot of them dont want it forced ( wow, guild wars and even Eve are not forced)
This game will do just fine in the NA/EU market. If it fails it will be due to bots/hacks or a lack of updates/content patching by NCSoft. Not because the game focuses on an open world endgame PvP system.
Ever heard of Dark Age of Camelot? There is a reason many people still herald it as the best MMO ever made. It did quite well in NA/EU.
The only reason these other recent PvP oriented games flopped is because... wel..., they sucked.
How have you been following this game for years and didn't realize its primarily a PvP game?
The first day I saw it(about 2 months ago), I read the description of the Abyss, and I realized this was a game that revolved around open-world PvP.
No1 gets killed in soccer.football,tennis etc so i dont see the link
Most of the popular video games are for example Legend of zelda (52 Million units sold) Mario brother, Final fantasy series, resident evil all of them have no PvP besides most of the game you named are single player which means no PvP
Guild Wars and WoW are also strong for their PvE hell i dare to claim if wow was only PvP it wud most likely didnt even cross the million sub mark. but then thats speculation coz 90% of WoW is PvE.
You use the term "carebear" so you aremost likely looking for a "hardcore" game, they all seem to fail.
Like it or not most of the mmo (not necciseraly Aion's) community want good PvE, even in a PvP game and alot of them dont want it forced ( wow, guild wars and even Eve are not forced)
Neither is Aion. You can level to 50 in the regular zones. However thats more or less where it will end for you. Level alts I suppose. They advertised the game as what it is so I dont see the problem. Dont want to pvp then dont play, its not a foreign concept. If it fails it fails but in the meantime I will enjoy as will many others.
Nowhere in my post did i stated that i'm not gonna enjoy Aion as it is, because im sure i wil.
I dont mind the open pvp and pvp endgame, but i wont mind if they add an PvE'ish ruleset either or RP for the people that want that. Im sure with a server without the rifts you can still fully enjoy the end game PvP in Aion.
This discussion is not about PvP but forced PvP, those are 2 different things.
12 new Dungeons btw in the launch version so i think there will be enough to keep all players busy
First let me say I am not playing Aion or have I even read much about it but I wanted to comment on the 'forced pvp' aspect. It's not forced because you can choose whether to play or not. This is what I never understand about mmo's and the people that play them. As soon as they decide to play it they start trying to mold it in the image they want. This, in my humble opinion, is why most mmo's are just copies of previous mmo's because we as the players of mmo's insist on things being the way we want. Now most of us will go ahead and play it anyway but not without creating a ruckuss on the games forums about what we don't like.
Ok that was how I felt. I offer one example of what I speak. A long time ago (same galaxy) I started playing a new online game called Ultima Online. Revolutionary for it's day, full of bugs and soon to be failed concepts in design. It had open pvp (we didn't call it that then) with pk's (player killers) in abundance. You could even die in town if the killer didn't mind dieing for it. And if you died the vultures (the other players) would rush to strip your body of everything you own. Entire guilds lived to pk others and entire guilds we're made to combat the pk guilds. All the while, the average joe (me in this case) tried to go about our business, Ie mining, crafting ect. This is why the pk concept worked as the non-pk and the pk we're in the same word together. So it was a complete world and it truely felt alive.
And I hated it. I wasn't alone in this feeling as I'm guessing 80-90% of the players felt as I did. You couldn't have your fun without always trying to escape being killed. And to top it off, the cheats appeared almost right away. It was like the wild west as anything went. In reality, the game wasn't really playable due to the bugs, cheats and pvp.
Finally, I miss it greatly. I miss that feeling of how alive the world felt. I miss the cooperative spirit that developed as didn't groups of people banded together to try and deal with the pk's. I was just too overwhelmed to realize what a good thing the game was. The masses assaulted the game company (Origin Systems at the time), folks cancelled accounts and the forums we're a nightmare. And it's all gone now. Oh the game is still there but it's an insulated experience now with 2 almost identical worlds cooexisting together. One completely safe and one not. The old world still exists pretty much like it was in the beginning (with some safety nets to fall back on) still filled with cheats, exploits and hacks. Most play in the safe world while the old world is just pvp. You kill me, I kill you back.
I don't know how this affects this conversation or what the moral of the story is. You can decide that for yourself. But I make one tiny request for this new game. Give it a chance and experience it the way the designers planned it and if you don't like parts of it try and learn to deal with it and if you can't please play something else.
Let it grow and develop before you destroy it and turn it into what you personally want. If you can't do this then don't complain in the future about how all mmo's are clones and nothing new ever comes out. It's still a business and the designers will cave eventually to financial pressures. You might just be part of something unique and wonderful and very, very short-lived. Thanks for reading. Mummy (spider of lotro pvp). BW.
That sort of comment is a perfect example of the reason a lot of people don't like pvp - it's the attitude of some of the pvp'ers...
That sort of comment is a perfect example of the reason a lot of people don't like pvp - it's the attitude of some of the pvp'ers...
I quite agree. I wish there was PvP in a game that forced players to be respectful to others...
If the PvP was more accessable and better balanced, I don't think it would be that bad. I mean, if you felt like it was just part of the game, rather than feeling compelled to do it just to advance, it would probably be alot more fun. But then again Aion is just another gear treadmill, so unless you have the gear to compete, you have to go through the hazing process. Lame.
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