I'll eat my cat...

Innferno

Seriously if the devs manage to launch this game with all that they have promised and make it any kind of success i'll eat my cat.

Now this isn't a small cat, we're talking a good stone and a half of big, fat animal.  Fur, claws, teeth the lot.  I'll even video it and send it in for lab analysis to prove i've done it.

Gyzmok

You don't really have to eat your cat.  You shouldn't mistreat animals at all ! eat something else, like a chair  or a hat .

Anyway I played during the E3 event and the game worked great. Streaming in content and lag where no problem and there were 200.000 people playing. Remember Guild Wars isn't really a true MMORPG : it works with instances. 

Just try it out for free during WPE and then you can be the judge of this game.

 

Innferno

Heh its not cruel, its survival of the err biggest.  If my cat was 20x my size i'm sure i'd have been food long before now .  Moving swiftly on....I do fully intend to try it out, I have the client downloaded.  It just seems that the more that gets promised the less actually seems to be delivered in the end.  AC2, Horizons, SWG, DAOC, EVE and Ryzom are but a few I can name off the top of my head.

Having thought about it though I think you are right.  Due to the nature of the game it doesnt have exactly the same problems associated with most true MMO's and so maybe they can deliver.  I remain sceptical however.

 

 

aLeX666

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Originally posted by Gyzmok

You don't really have to eat your cat.  You shouldn't mistreat animals at all ! eat something else, like a chair  or a hat .
Anyway I played during the E3 event and the game worked great. Streaming in content and lag where no problem and there were 200.000 people playing. Remember Guild Wars isn't really a true MMORPG : it works with instances. 
Just try it out for free during WPE and then you can be the judge of this game.
 

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What if the usual MMORPG used instanced zones and Guild Wars didn't? People would still say it's not a MMORPG. I don't see much differences in instancing zones. In EQ, for example, you'd stay with your little group of 8 players and farm a spot, wait until repop then kill everything again, and over and over. The only way you could be affected by other people is when they train your group, but instances remove that problem. Everything else was just chatting, which is still present in GW. Then there was the Guild Raids where you could throw as much players as you needed to defeat a boss... but GW can actually hold up to 48 players (8x8x8x8x8x8 PvP mission), so I wouldn't be surprised if they implanted quests allowing that number of players to enter. I still prefer smaller groups because of the strategy aspect. ArenaNet chose the good way, IMO : removing all the usual MMORPG downsides and create a viable game for every gamer in the world. Some might cry because of the lack of customization... I always thought it was useless. There were only Males and Females in UO and the customization was determined by your outfite. In Guild Wars, you'll have Dyes and plenty of items to customize your outfit. As items don't make you "ubber" as in every other MMORPGs, you can collect a variety of armor, shield and weapons type with different designs to suit your needs of customization.

"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."

L

nice alex but as for me i feel this will be a door to a whole new mmo genre. i also wonder why people are turned down by its not a normal mmorpg. i mean y do u want the same thing over and over and over again. when i played Lineage 2, WoW, Everquest these games seem to be what people judged the and i hate all of these mmorpg's. for me at least games like planet side and fung wan(which u ,ight have never heard of ) brought more to the table. this is just my beliefes and if you dont like it reply

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Nuxtor

You have officialy decided to eat your cat, my friend. And, eh, I bet you will choke up some hairballs when you're done

Gnarled

Comparing a small regular hunting group in EQ to the insidious instancing in GW is a poor analogy. GW to me is like a glorified chat lobby where you hang around, then pick up your friends and zip into an AO style dungeon (only a little bigger and prettier). It doesn't have the feel of a mmorpg. You'll never see a Mistmoore/Blackburrow situation in that game, and those are some of the best experiences.

And if the majority of you guys end up NOT paying for a $50 to $60 dollar expansion every 6 months by the second year, I'll eat my 2004 SVT Cobra, piece by piece. Yes it's a bit cheaper than 12-15 bucks a month, but it aint free. And I guarantee you the "optional" xpacks will be de facto required.

 

 

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

Kartel

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Originally posted by Gnarled
Comparing a small regular hunting group in EQ to the insidious instancing in GW is a poor analogy. GW to me is like a glorified chat lobby

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It's funny you say that since most mmos have more down-time than real action (not that I would even call endless farming "action" anyway), whereas GW is pretty much nonstop action as long as you're up for it.

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Originally posted by Gnarled
And if the majority of you guys end up NOT paying for a $50 to $60 dollar expansion every 6 months by the second year, I'll eat my 2004 SVT Cobra, piece by piece. Yes it's a bit cheaper than 12-15 bucks a month, but it aint free. And I guarantee you the "optional" xpacks will be de facto required.

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Even if it does become de facto required(and we'll have to see how true that ends up being), we can still buy them when we're good and ready, and we won't be unable to play if we don't; unlike the rentals where you stop paying = you stop playing.

L

gnarled you can go back to your mmorpg's. im sorry but why do you want to keep plating the same mmorpg that has you do the same thing over and over and over again. ya lets level so another 3 hours so we can go out and kill a level 48 so i can get a golden sword of solitude. o yea thats what i want to spend my time doin. you must be  

honestly i am sick of the same mmorpg's i mean bring something new to the table. thats why i only played the WoW stress test for a day.  why cant there be more intresting plots too. at least Guild Wars has a plot like the old school RPG's. because that how it should be. AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I JUST SAID REPLY.

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Duker

To tell you the truth, i hope GW fails to meet his standards, just so that he can try to eat his cat. and i hope he posts the video.

Gnarled

"AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I JUST SAID REPLY."

So, what's it like being a penis with ears ? There, I replied.

 

 

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

aLeX666

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Originally posted by Gnarled

Comparing a small regular hunting group in EQ to the insidious instancing in GW is a poor analogy. GW to me is like a glorified chat lobby where you hang around, then pick up your friends and zip into an AO style dungeon (only a little bigger and prettier). It doesn't have the feel of a mmorpg. You'll never see a Mistmoore/Blackburrow situation in that game, and those are some of the best experiences.
And if the majority of you guys end up NOT paying for a $50 to $60 dollar expansion every 6 months by the second year, I'll eat my 2004 SVT Cobra, piece by piece. Yes it's a bit cheaper than 12-15 bucks a month, but it aint free. And I guarantee you the "optional" xpacks will be de facto required.
 
 

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

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Hahaha BlackBurrow and Mistmoore experience? Come'on, kill one type of gnoll until you ding, go deeper, kill the same gnoll with another prefix to its name, then get TRAAAAAAAAINED by some retard, spawn back in Qeynos, run to your corpse, TRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAIN, TRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNN. IMO, your argument is so weak, you shouldn't even bother come here and post, stay on your little EverFarm game. EQ Dungeon experience is one miserable thing to me if I compare my GW experience. I quit EQ when my guild decided to farm Vex Thal every other week and kill the same boss over and over and over and over with the same strategies we had worked down. BOOOORRRRING, I'd rather chat in mIRC.

"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."

L

GNARL is officially hated on this forum. he should go back to his little farm and train forever to his hearts content, because he is a loser.

LØST

Gnarled

Heh, first of all idjit, try spelling my forum name correctly. Second, you've been around here for 20 days and you are dictating that I am officially hated on the board? THAT'S funny.

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

hopbounce

Gnarled: Please post something intelligent that makes sense.

Everyone else: Please don't feed the troll.

Gnarled

Aww. . .that's cute. You brought your boyfriend (who also has 4 posts) in here to participate in your little poll.

Intelligent ? Do a search on my name and read ANYTHING I've written with more than a paragraph. I'll put my IQ, vocabulary, and logic up against yours any time, peon.

  

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

Kartel

It hardly matters if someone has been here 20 days. It takes only one to see what you're like and realize that meaningful discussion with you would be pointless.

Gnarled

Oh really ? Because I seem to remember coming in here and presenting my well-worded opinion on the game, which did not refer to anyone else's opinions or posts. I was then flamed by a couple of morons. And now I have more peons who have no record of standing on this site, giving their half-assed opinions on my personality and ability to hold a conversation or logical argument.

Amazing. Astounding. Really.

Perhaps you should all get back on to the topic of someone eating their cat. . .

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

Thoom

So you want a little soy sauce, and rice to go with that cat?

hopbounce

Great.  So I have 4 posts at MMORPG.com   Honestly enough, the forums here are very slow moving, so I don't post much here.  Mostly I wander around GameFAQs, though the intelligence level is only about the same.

Second of all, if you have to rely on number of posts to inflate your argument, it wouldn't seem to be a very good argument at all, would it?

Third of all, you can buy/sell/trade/craft/form parties in the "glorified chat room".  Oh wait, isn't that the same as being in the town of ANY other MMORPG?

Fourth, I beg of you, please explain how instancing is insidious.

Fifth, the expansion packs are not de facto required.  Period. Please do educate yourself on the game before posting something blatantly incorrect.  You will not need expansion packs to be at the same power level as other players, or to play in the areas that were already unlocked.

Sixth, cat-calling doesn't achieve anything.  I ask you to post something intelligent, and you call me the boyfriend of L0ST.  Funny.  L0ST's messages aren't very friendly, and do flame you, so I hope he apologizes sometime.  But his behavior isn't anywhere nearly as bad as yours.

Hop, signing off.

jd269

Some people have negative associations with instancing because of the piss poor programming job done by SoE in the LDoN and GoD expansions. In those games an instanced zone means the exact same thing over, and over, and over again with minimal changes. Anarchy Online does things considerably better, especially if it's a group instance, but Guild Wars missions are essentially the ultimate in instancing, and nothing like any of those. There is alot of random variation in Guild Wars missions, environmental interaction, there are multiple steps, multiple quests within the missions, and an engaging, ongoing storyline, and many different mission types, and the quests aren't just collect x# of teeth, kill x mobs like the instanced adventuring in the SoE games. There are far more differences than similarities in the instanced missions of GW vs. games like AO, and the piss poor instancing in SoE games.

aLeX666

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Originally posted by hopbounce

Great.  So I have 4 posts at MMORPG.com   Honestly enough, the forums here are very slow moving, so I don't post much here.  Mostly I wander around GameFAQs, though the intelligence level is only about the same.
Second of all, if you have to rely on number of posts to inflate your argument, it wouldn't seem to be a very good argument at all, would it?
Third of all, you can buy/sell/trade/craft/form parties in the "glorified chat room".  Oh wait, isn't that the same as being in the town of ANY other MMORPG?
Fourth, I beg of you, please explain how instancing is insidious.
Fifth, the expansion packs are not de facto required.  Period. Please do educate yourself on the game before posting something blatantly incorrect.  You will not need expansion packs to be at the same power level as other players, or to play in the areas that were already unlocked.
Sixth, cat-calling doesn't achieve anything.  I ask you to post something intelligent, and you call me the boyfriend of L0ST.  Funny.  L0ST's messages aren't very friendly, and do flame you, so I hope he apologizes sometime.  But his behavior isn't anywhere nearly as bad as yours.
Hop, signing off.

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Nice reply...

Gnarled, I'd suggest you to stick to the other sections. If you don't like GW, then don't come here to bash it in front of its fans... what the hell do you expect? But someone with such a great IQ  like you do probably figured that out? Your first reply in this thread was so ridiculously weak and your facts are so wrong, you look like a complete idiot.

"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."

Gnarled

Alrightee then, here we go. I was going to leave this alone seeing as we are so very off topic, but you guys had to have the last word right ?

So, first of all, telling me I am not welcome here or I shouldn't post here because I don't worship this game is a load of crap and you know it. I don't recall seeing "Official Forum Nazi" armbands on any of you. I will come here and give my opinion as many times as I feel compelled to.

Now on to Hoppy's little point-by-point:

Great.  So I have 4 posts at MMORPG.com   Honestly enough, the forums here are very slow moving, so I don't post much here.  Mostly I wander around GameFAQs, though the intelligence level is only about the same.

My point is that someone who comes in here and flames a long-standing member of this board, someone who has no standing of record, no reputation, no time invested, and is virtually anonymous, is a peon. You seem to have been around for a little longer, congrats.  

Second of all, if you have to rely on number of posts to inflate your argument, it wouldn't seem to be a very good argument at all, would it?

See above, this is really all one point isnt it ?

Third of all, you can buy/sell/trade/craft/form parties in the "glorified chat room".  Oh wait, isn't that the same as being in the town of ANY other MMORPG?

No, it isn't. Instancing to me removes the immersion of a free-travel environment. It isn't the same as mmorpgs which use open zoning, or no zoning, or which use instancing sparingly to avoid camping and overcrowding (see EQ2). I don't like it. Many others don't like it (see various threads on this and other boards many of which argue that GW isnt even a mmorpg). That is my opinion. See the note above on when I feel free to state my opinion. You are welcome to argue, but I really don't feel flaming is necessary.  

Fourth, I beg of you, please explain how instancing is insidious.

1 a : awaiting a chance to entrap : TREACHEROUS b : harmful but enticing : SEDUCTIVE <insidious drugs>
2 a : having a gradual and cumulative effect : SUBTLE <the insidious pressures of modern life> b of a disease : developing so gradually as to be well established before becoming apparent

The instancing in this game is complete. People should know that, it's important. Was I using this word with a degree of hyperbole ? You betcha.

Fifth, the expansion packs are not de facto required.  Period. Please do educate yourself on the game before posting something blatantly incorrect.  You will not need expansion packs to be at the same power level as other players, or to play in the areas that were already unlocked.

Do not fucking talk to me about facts, as if this game is in retail. The game has NOT been released, the developers DO NOT know at this point what will be required to sustain their business model. This is my point. Things can and do change every time a game gets realeased. If the model doesnt work, you bet your ass they will drive players towards buying the xpacks or suffering. I did not state this as fact, I said it was my hunch.  It fucking pisses me off when people accuse me of not doing my homework. You my friend, are WRONG.

Siixth, cat-calling doesn't achieve anything.  I ask you to post something intelligent, and you call me the boyfriend of L0ST.  Funny.  L0ST's messages aren't very friendly, and do flame you, so I hope he apologizes sometime.  But his behavior isn't anywhere nearly as bad as yours.

When flamed I bite back. This little childish Us vs Gnarled thing you have going is a little tiresome. I just came in here to give my opinion. See above on my opinion. My behavior was justified, and more importantly, funny to me. That's all that matters.

 

 

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

Gnarled

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Originally posted by aLeX666

Nice reply...

Gnarled, I'd suggest you to stick to the other sections. If you don't like GW, then don't come here to bash it in front of its fans... what the hell do you expect? But someone with such a great IQ  like you do probably figured that out? Your first reply in this thread was so ridiculously weak and your facts are so wrong, you look like a complete idiot.

"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."

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Oh and this neat little bit of commentary deserves a reply all it's own.

Gnarled, I'd suggest you to stick to the other sections. If you don't like GW, then don't come here to bash it in front of its fans...

See my last post. Nazi. This isn't a GW fanboi site, this is mmorpg.com. Welcome aboard, we encourage free speech and plenty of diverse opinions around these parts. Check your armband at the door please.  

Your first reply in this thread was so ridiculously weak and your facts are so wrong, you look like a complete idiot.

Find. One. Incorrect. Fact. Jackass. 

Who is the complete idiot ? Get back on topic, idjit.

 

 

 

 

 

"I can tell you with no ego, this is my finest sword. If, on your journey, you should encounter God. . .
. . . God will be cut."
- Quentin Tarantino, Kill Bill

L

first of all i will apologize for my behavior on this forum. that being said, i see how Gnarled get his 454 posts. next Gnarled please read some of my other posts on other forums topics, they arent very long but they state something. i also feel that how many posts and how long you have been here should determine how you look at there posts. maybe you should think about that before calling us NAZI'S.

other than that i dont know why we all had to go  on this forum. finally please Gnarled and the rest of you reading this dont bash people and call them Jackasses on the forums.

LØST

aLeX666

Since Gnarled obviously needs a refresh, let's look at his reply :

 

Comparing a small regular hunting group in EQ to the insidious instancing in GW is a poor analogy.

Explain? Beside the FACTS that instancing removes more cons than pros? IE : Finding a farm spot, trains, KSing?

GW to me is like a glorified chat lobby where you hang around, then pick up your friends and zip into an AO style dungeon (only a little bigger and prettier).

What do you do at the entrance of any dungeon in EQ? You /ooc <Insert class and level> LFG! So what's wrong with my analogy? If you bring out guild raids, then sir, there are reasons why GW don't need any. If it doesn't suit your play style, don't bash the game and stick to EQ/WoW and don't try to comment a game you know nothing of what's going to be released.

 It doesn't have the feel of a mmorpg. You'll never see a Mistmoore/Blackburrow situation in that game, and those are some of the best experiences.

Relativity sir. I hate EQ dungeons because of bugged pathing and TRRRRRAAAINS rushing you out of nowhere when you closely fight a mob. Oh and I hated running around to find a target because it was overcamped, something that wont happen in GW.

And if the majority of you guys end up NOT paying for a $50 to $60 dollar expansion every 6 months by the second year, I'll eat my 2004 SVT Cobra, piece by piece. Yes it's a bit cheaper than 12-15 bucks a month, but it aint free.

Did you look into your crystal ball of so great wisdom or did you pull that out of where the sun never shines? Let's suppose it's 40$ and released after 8 months... that's 5$ a month... if you eat you're great 2004 SVT Cobra (thanks for specifying, bragging wh0re), you're one great worker, if you even know what work is, but then again it's a supposition

And I guarantee you the "optional" xpacks will be de facto required.

Once again, speculating when ArenaNet clearly said the opposite more than one time. Get your facts straight before calling anyone a Jackass. But you're soooo intelligent  I've seen people play Unreal Tournament demo (not 2k3 or 2k4 would you) for years, even though it has very little content and still enjoy it.

"I am trying to see things from your perspective but I just can't get my head that far up my @$$."