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there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version , I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
I've read your post 3 times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
yeah agree... just another nail in it's coffin. I find it funny that anyone would find this acceptable and put up with this crap.
I wouldn't expect someone with your game history to enjoy a FFA PvP centric sandbox game. Although FFIV looks like it may be a good PvE centric sandbox with lite pvp which is why I think it may be a good game
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
So I guess the 100 or so people who were actually dumb enough to pay another $50 are having a good time, right? Good for them!
BTW, as far as hacks not working, I'd give it a few more days before making that statement.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
So I guess the 100 or so people who were actually dumb enough to pay another $50 are having a good time, right? Good for them!
More than a 100 sadly. 100s of new players are joining the game as well. Many people waited for US1 to launch and still kept up with the info of the game and still saw it as worth a buy.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
The client side distributed processing cannot be fixed by anything short of total recoding, if you do not understand this, that is not my concern. I know my business here.
There are x number of quests? Good. Sadly many of the disapppointed DFers were unable to find them or enjoy them.
Grind is no longer intolerable, after months of release, after 8 years of development and $12million. This is an achievement indeed.
Crafters are able to make money, is that news? Crafter in many games are able to make money, from UO to SWG to DAoC to WoW. That is another feat of DF? Sure.
Once again, deploying the same dismissive dirty trick. That I do not play == I am unable to make comments. Good, why don't you ask the court to throw us all in jail because we talk about your precious baby without contributing money to AV's shady business?
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This is with high and shadows
Its an improvement IMO, but this could just be "light" rain and not a down pour.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
Not bad at all.
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there is no scam about darkfall at all. just alot of noobie mistakes that includes promises that couldnt be kept. it isnt like there making much money and they patch all the time so really there no scam about it. if you want to see scam. theres that other game thats dead now
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
Are you sure? His reply to Eurogamer sounded like he is 16.
Are you sure? His reply to Eurogamer sounded like he is 16.
I guess I should have added "I hope" before that sentence. lol
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
Note that this is an official image of the rain (see the AV watermark in the bottom left of the image)
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?p=3608862
Game reviews to the drunken masses of the world
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Xpiher, thanks for posting those screen shots, that's a great visual answer.
Hey, if I may ask, what's the spec on your rig that's running that?
While that rain looks way better than the previous version
, I wouldn't go as far as to discount the fact that Aventurine has questionable business ethics.
true but i just dont get the feeling there doing it all on purpose
They aren't as naive as you make them out to be. They are all grown adults and are well aware of what they are doing.
Tasos is not some 16 year old kid who's running a private WoW server and doesn't fully realize the implications.
i know but there not really trying to hard if thats the case. ask yoru self this if there really out to get the unsuspected why arent they advertising? im sure if they advertised even alil they would make alot more money but there not
Maybe you should ask yourself why the are not advertising?
Could it be they don't want to draw too much attention from certain people and agencies that regulate these kind of things? If they stay under the radar they can cruise on for a good while before the hammer falls. If they become high profile then they start getting scrutinized and their model of running a business can't stand up to in depth crawling up their asses looking for dirt.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
I've read your post 3 times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
yeah agree... just another nail in it's coffin. I find it funny that anyone would find this acceptable and put up with this crap.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
I wouldn't expect someone with your game history to enjoy a FFA PvP centric sandbox game. Although FFIV looks like it may be a good PvE centric sandbox with lite pvp which is why I think it may be a good game
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
So I guess the 100 or so people who were actually dumb enough to pay another $50 are having a good time, right? Good for them!
BTW, as far as hacks not working, I'd give it a few more days before making that statement.
thats bs and you know it i bet there just making enough to keep the game up and they still work there arses off to patch anything going on. at least thee not taking the money and runing there aftully using it on the game
Is that not the greatest warning on earth ever? If AV truly used all $12m in developing that code, if. Since they spent not a dime on ad, not a dime printing boxes. All $12m development loan is spent on developing the game.
$12million, and they can only come up with this kind of crap. What kind of efficiency we are looking at? How many more $12m before they can fix the pile of turd? Another 8 years? Another $12million?
You don't know much about MMO developement do you. UO was a multi million dollar development and they had their own engine made from UO 7. WoW, if I remember correctly, was 2x as expensive as DFO in developement cost. 12 mill is pretty standard.
Why do you stop at half way. $12million is pretty standard ... you said, yes it is a decent budget for a good game. What DF delivers is not worth 10% of that budget. Many Asian grinders are developed at 10% of AV's budget and definitely offer far more content and far less issues, and not taking 8 years.
Fact is all of the games delivered online free by Tencent cost a tiny fraction of AV's loan, many of them pretty fun to play with, daily number of players online in Tencent amounts to aroun d 10million, in china, as measured by the counts of account in the game system online. That alone counts. Fun. You do not need $12m, you only need to delivery fun. Delivering a pile of turd after spending $12m is not a thing to take pride on.
Do I know much about software? How much do I earn per month? What is my job, my credential? Do you know? Go personal. That is the way you talk I believe.
Korean grinders also don't develiever anything original (for the most part) and copy Lineage or WoW. This game was also developed in 8yrs (standard is 5-6 yrs MO has been in developement for 6 yrs I think) 12-20 mil/8yrs Yea all the money went into developement. Not hard concept to understand.
Nothing original from Korean grinders, with a budget of $0.8 million on average.
Crappy client side hack ridden codes, empty world void of NPCs, no quest, worst grinder skill set, ... you finish the endless list. All these for $12million. You can try to present all these weakness as features, sure, you can sell turd as intended features, people with a brain will know not to buy it.
Shame on AV, to deliver such a turd after promising so much on a phony list on their own website, and squandered $12million + 8 years.
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
So I guess the 100 or so people who were actually dumb enough to pay another $50 are having a good time, right? Good for them!
More than a 100 sadly. 100s of new players are joining the game as well. Many people waited for US1 to launch and still kept up with the info of the game and still saw it as worth a buy.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
1) Sigh the way the hack program works is by intercepting client to server and visa vi information. These cheats/hacks also exist for AoC, WAR, EvE, Planetside. They are working on these cheats for MO, Startrek, Starcraft 2, and WoW.
2)There are quest, about 250+ of them of various diffculty and amount of work
3) US1 has been up for about 4 days. People already are getting elemental magic becuase THE GRING IS NO LONGER INTOLERABLE. The hacks are also not working on US1
4) Player housing is in, villages are in (similar to SB mine fights), titles are in
5) Crafters are making a crap load of money on US1 (800 for a set of banded second lowest set of metal armor lol)
Of course, you don't know about any of this because you don't play the game.
The client side distributed processing cannot be fixed by anything short of total recoding, if you do not understand this, that is not my concern. I know my business here.
There are x number of quests? Good. Sadly many of the disapppointed DFers were unable to find them or enjoy them.
Grind is no longer intolerable, after months of release, after 8 years of development and $12million. This is an achievement indeed.
Crafters are able to make money, is that news? Crafter in many games are able to make money, from UO to SWG to DAoC to WoW. That is another feat of DF? Sure.
Once again, deploying the same dismissive dirty trick. That I do not play == I am unable to make comments. Good, why don't you ask the court to throw us all in jail because we talk about your precious baby without contributing money to AV's shady business?