Any gamer who runs a bleeding edge OS instead of waiting at least a year is an absolute moron. The support isn't going to be there, and it won't be encompasing for at least that long. If you're cool with having to ask "Does it support windows 7 ;;" every time you want to try something, go right ahead...
I've been running it for over a year and a half ( legit as a TechNet tester, not "cracked" off torrent sites ) with no game compatibility issues with anything other than Gameguard when trying to play AION ( and considering Gameguard is a rootkit, the fact Win 7 blocks it out tells me it's working as intended ) and Tage DRM used on Darkstar One ( which is the same rootkit type shit as Gameguard ). So sorry, this gamer is not a "moron" but is enjoying his "bleeding edge" OS very much, thank you.
For me the deal breaker is no "What u hear" function because Microsoft have disabled it on Windows 7 so the record companies don't moan about people recording their tracks. So legit people who used it for making videos and stuff get burnt.........
Is that Microsoft's fault? Or Windows 7's fault? Nope. And there's free programs to download that work with 7 that do the same thing.
Look at the poor Australians due to the EU forcing all that "anti-trust" shit because of companies like AMD. They get Windows "E", which doesn't even come with a web browser. Why? Because Google and Opera and other browser makers claimed it was unfair, so the EU demanded Microsoft package all of their competitor's browsers for customer's to choose. Would you package your competitor's shit with your product? Neither would MS, so they just removed the browser all together.
it is microsofts fault because they disabled it.
How the fuck is it MS fault?
Unless you have the mistaken impression MS is run by socialist or communist, they did the right damn thing.
You tell me to include my competitor's shit in my stuff, and I'll tell you to fuck off the same as MS did.
Are you going to tell me next that people are too damn stupid to download Firefox, Opera, or whatever they want once the OS is installed? Apparently the EU government believes so, otherwise they wouldn't have made such a ridiculous demand.
IMHO Os should come with nothing but bare bones minimums and connectivity tools, people can download what products they want. Microcrap should stop filling my HDD with all their shit programs like the Microsoft Games or Microsoft Calender.
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis--- NZXT Phantom 410 Case Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0 Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
I have allways puchaced the latest OS the first week of release and NEVER had an issue. peoples main issue with new OS's is they do not keep their Computers up to date. tke for insence Windows ME. I hade no issues. have to keep up with the latest Video & Audio drivers {and any other drivers you reqire} and can't have programs running that are 10 years old, and you should be good.
In Europe we got the "E" edition which is mainly due to the EU interferring over what browsers, mail programs etc were to be included MS decided to not put any of them in.
Although one upside is that for £45 we are getting a full retail copy (£90 for the pro edition) as there will be no upgrade versions over here.
Given that in the EU it looks like in 2 days all the special priced copies have sold out, Europe will certainly be going over to it in October in a big way.
I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
Originally posted by Zorvan Originally posted by Homeslice513 I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
So basically how I had figured out how I would do it anyways
The average user, I think will be having an issue with this though.
Basically what will happen is those in EU will just buy the OS from the U.S. or other unrestricted territory, and the "E" and "N" versions will sit on shelves collecting dust.
I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
So basically how I had figured out how I would do it anyways
The average user, I think will be having an issue with this though.
Basically what will happen is those in EU will just buy the OS from the U.S. or other unrestricted territory, and the "E" and "N" versions will sit on shelves collecting dust.
All hail the never failing public library interwebz connection and a jump drive :P
Step 1: Bike to local net enabled library.
Step 2: Steal the sign in info off the desk by talking to the old hag and distracting her.
Step 2b: Just ask to sign in for an hour if that is your style.
Step 3: Log onto interwebs and download the following:
Firefox
Ad-Aware
uTorrent ((cmon this one is obvie :P))
Winamp ((eats itunes for breakfast and isn't such a resource whore, also can load up ipods with music using it))
Any variant of your favourite C++ editor, java editor, and maybe python editor if you are bored like me.
Newest Nvida/ATI drivers.
Maybe get the flash files for your BIOS.
Step 4: Unplug USB jump drive, stick it in your pack, ride back home, install all of the above.
Step 5: DONE!
Oh and don't forget to take one of these!
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis--- NZXT Phantom 410 Case Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0 Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
No way in hell I'm buying this turkey. Personaly I feel Windows 7 is just a retinker of Vista. Instead of fixing this complete dog turd of an OS with a 2nd service pack, they instead opted to rebrand it as a whole new operating system. Thereby screwing the customers who made the mistake of paying for Vista out of money TWICE!! I know that Bill Vegthe has been quoted as saying "There are plenty of great things in there that make it (Windows 7) much more significant than a service pack," but I say bollocks. Windows 7 is what Vista should have been in the first place. Maybe if they had decided to wait to release the craptastic Vista OS later when it was something to be proud of, instead of worrying about keeping their corporate boot to the throat of their competition, they wouldn't have embarrassed themselves with Vista in the first place. I say that Windows 7 is an unfair tax on Microsoft's on customers due to Microsoft's own lack of vision. And before any one jumps in and declares I'm just a Microsoft hater and/or a Linux fan, My favorite operating systems are listed thusly. Windows 3.1 Windows 98 SE Windows XP Professional 32 bit Windows XP Professional 64 bit So there you have it. I'm a rabaid Microsoft fan. I just feel that they have made some seriously bad and foolish decisions with Vista, and they wrongly expect the customer to pay for them.
I fully support your argument and you also get a cookie.....this thread is ftw
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I use Vista at the moment; that should probably answer the question.
On the off-chance that it doesn't, I already have Windows 7 on pre-order since it's selling for a piddly £75 on UK pre-order sites at the moment. I've tried it out and there's just no comparison with Vista; W7 widdles on it from a great height.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I already use win 7 and it works perfectly, so yes, if I bought software, I would buy win 7 at release.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I don't trust any new M$ operating system until at least the first service pack, every single one of them have been unstable, insecure and full of bugs until they have been in the wild for at least 6 months. I didn't upgrade to XP, Vista or now 7 until post SP1, I will likely never do so again with any M$ product.
I have been running Win 7 RC2 on my gaming comp and must say I am very impressed by it. Everything is that much faster, cleaner, and just works. The UI changes are outstanding, they really do make you more productive (for those times I am running Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Premier, Photoshop 64bit, 3 browsers with 6+ tabs open in each, email client, and a game (duh, look at my system!). Even with all these on there is a HUGE difference between Vista Ultimate 64bit and Win 7 Ultimate 64bit.
- Case: Thermaltake Kandalf Black Chassis - CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz (OC'd 4.2GHz on Water Cooling) - Memory: Mushkin 8Gb (4x 2Gb) DDR3 1600Mhz - HDD: Dual Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM - GFX: (2) XFX Radeon HD 5870 in CrossFire - New upgrade!
"I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!!" - Sawlstone
And before any one jumps in and declares I'm just a Microsoft hater and/or a Linux fan, My favorite operating systems are listed thusly. Windows 3.1 Windows 98 SE So there you have it. I'm a rabaid Microsoft fan. I just feel that they have made some seriously bad and foolish decisions with Vista, and they wrongly expect the customer to pay for them.
ROFL....
Anyone who thought that Win98 was a good OS should be shot. Thats like saying Win ME was a great os.... BSoD anyone?
- Case: Thermaltake Kandalf Black Chassis - CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz (OC'd 4.2GHz on Water Cooling) - Memory: Mushkin 8Gb (4x 2Gb) DDR3 1600Mhz - HDD: Dual Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM - GFX: (2) XFX Radeon HD 5870 in CrossFire - New upgrade!
"I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!!" - Sawlstone
I pre-ordered mine at Microsoft.com to take advantage of the $49.00 price tag. You can't really go wrong since it includes the 32bit and 64bit discs as well as having Windows XP built into the setup for XP compatability mode The upgrade disc also allows you to make a clean full install.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I pre-ordered mine at Microsoft.com to take advantage of the $49.00 price tag. You can't really go wrong since it includes the 32bit and 64bit discs as well as having Windows XP built into the setup for XP compatability mode The upgrade disc also allows you to make a clean full install.
49USD, thats Home Premium right? The XP modus feature is only for Professional and above editions.
Hell yeah the first day i can get my hands on it i'll buy it. I've pretty bought every version of Windows on the first sale day. Vista which i love was no exception.
And before any one jumps in and declares I'm just a Microsoft hater and/or a Linux fan, My favorite operating systems are listed thusly. Windows 3.1 Windows 98 SE So there you have it. I'm a rabaid Microsoft fan. I just feel that they have made some seriously bad and foolish decisions with Vista, and they wrongly expect the customer to pay for them.
ROFL....
Anyone who thought that Win98 was a good OS should be shot. Thats like saying Win ME was a great os.... BSoD anyone?
Windows 98 SE , not its first incarnation. The first release of 98 blew chunks (Windows ME also sucked rocks, and much like Vista was shipped unfinished and unworthy of owning solely to keep a current Microsoft product in the market). SE was pretty damn rock solid. So much so that when XP came out most of the computer techs I worked with didn't want to adopt it. As to your comment of "BSoD anyone" I'm sure to are referring to the hilarious video of Bill and co with egg on their faces while hyping the soon to be released 98. After the travesty of Windows 95 we felt they deserved it.
Vista's early bad publicity was due to hardware manufactorers not writing drivers that worked. over 30% of BSoD's happening before SP1 was due to Nvidia's crap driver.
The reason why Win7 is such a huge success now is that drivers are available because it uses the same driver model as Vista. Vista took the flak for changing the driver model and forcing developers to rethink their software application so that admin privilages was not needed in order to use said software.
Windows 7 "only" builds on top of that, and refines it.
Besides, the only reason why XP SP2 got decent was because Vista devs was pulled out of production to help combat the raising online malware threat. The security center for instance was ment as a Vista feature but was ported and included in XP SP2. This move caused Vista to miss it's deadline multible times (It was ment af a 2005 release initially)
So all the XP worshippers out there remember that Vista devs made it was it is today. Besides, Vista is rock solid and has been for almost two years now.
I pre-ordered mine at Microsoft.com to take advantage of the $49.00 price tag. You can't really go wrong since it includes the 32bit and 64bit discs as well as having Windows XP built into the setup for XP compatability mode The upgrade disc also allows you to make a clean full install.
49USD, thats Home Premium right? The XP modus feature is only for Professional and above editions.
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. Changed my order to the Pro version, it's only about 30 bucks more at $79. I'd much rather pay that and have it patched if necessary, than pay regular retail of 300 or so dollars.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
"Vista's early bad publicity was due to hardware manufactorers not writing drivers that worked. over 30% of BSoD's happening before SP1 was due to Nvidia's crap driver." So all of Vista's problems were due to a thrid party dropping the ball? Why then did Brad Brooks say "We broke a lot of things. We know that, and we know it caused you a lot of pain. It got customers thinking, hey, is Windows Vista a generation we want to get invested in?"
Did I say *all* problems were caused by bad drivers from 3rd party developers?
No, but it was the largest issue regular customers were facing at release. This made the OS look worse in the eyes of the public than it really was or even is. Especially if they bought a cheap laptop filled to the rim with bloatware installed by their OEM's. Normal people wouldn't know what to do, and would just be unhappy regarding their purchage.
You have to keep in mind that Microsoft's consumer sales are almost exclusively done by OEM's, to a very large degree the OEM's will make or break the release of an OS.
I remember XP as filled to the rim with problems while my own copy of Win98 ME was solid as a rock (Odd, I know) and Vista faced the same issue as changes was made which Win7 will reap the benifits from.
It'll be the same thing once Microsoft desides to kill 32bit computering, which I'm hoping will happen on the OS after Win7 (Which will likely be released in 2014). Huge changes will always bring some pain and discomfort.
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I've been running it for over a year and a half ( legit as a TechNet tester, not "cracked" off torrent sites ) with no game compatibility issues with anything other than Gameguard when trying to play AION ( and considering Gameguard is a rootkit, the fact Win 7 blocks it out tells me it's working as intended ) and Tage DRM used on Darkstar One ( which is the same rootkit type shit as Gameguard ). So sorry, this gamer is not a "moron" but is enjoying his "bleeding edge" OS very much, thank you.
For me the deal breaker is no "What u hear" function because Microsoft have disabled it on Windows 7 so the record companies don't moan about people recording their tracks. So legit people who used it for making videos and stuff get burnt.........
Is that Microsoft's fault? Or Windows 7's fault? Nope. And there's free programs to download that work with 7 that do the same thing.
Look at the poor Australians due to the EU forcing all that "anti-trust" shit because of companies like AMD. They get Windows "E", which doesn't even come with a web browser. Why? Because Google and Opera and other browser makers claimed it was unfair, so the EU demanded Microsoft package all of their competitor's browsers for customer's to choose. Would you package your competitor's shit with your product? Neither would MS, so they just removed the browser all together.
it is microsofts fault because they disabled it.
How the fuck is it MS fault?
Unless you have the mistaken impression MS is run by socialist or communist, they did the right damn thing.
You tell me to include my competitor's shit in my stuff, and I'll tell you to fuck off the same as MS did.
Are you going to tell me next that people are too damn stupid to download Firefox, Opera, or whatever they want once the OS is installed? Apparently the EU government believes so, otherwise they wouldn't have made such a ridiculous demand.
IMHO Os should come with nothing but bare bones minimums and connectivity tools, people can download what products they want. Microcrap should stop filling my HDD with all their shit programs like the Microsoft Games or Microsoft Calender.
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis---
NZXT Phantom 410 Case
Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz
Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard
Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
I have allways puchaced the latest OS the first week of release and NEVER had an issue. peoples main issue with new OS's is they do not keep their Computers up to date. tke for insence Windows ME. I hade no issues. have to keep up with the latest Video & Audio drivers {and any other drivers you reqire} and can't have programs running that are 10 years old, and you should be good.
Never had an issue with any OS.
In Europe we got the "E" edition which is mainly due to the EU interferring over what browsers, mail programs etc were to be included MS decided to not put any of them in.
Although one upside is that for £45 we are getting a full retail copy (£90 for the pro edition) as there will be no upgrade versions over here.
Given that in the EU it looks like in 2 days all the special priced copies have sold out, Europe will certainly be going over to it in October in a big way.
I haven't looked into it but I also know how I could do it. But I am curious how anyone will be able to download a browser that want when they don't start with a browser at all?
http://www.ithinkdiff.com/how-to-download-a-browser-in-windows-7-e-or-n-editions-without-using-a-browser/
http://www.ithinkdiff.com/how-to-download-a-browser-in-windows-7-e-or-n-editions-without-using-a-browser/
So basically how I had figured out how I would do it anyways
The average user, I think will be having an issue with this though.
http://www.ithinkdiff.com/how-to-download-a-browser-in-windows-7-e-or-n-editions-without-using-a-browser/
So basically how I had figured out how I would do it anyways
The average user, I think will be having an issue with this though.
Basically what will happen is those in EU will just buy the OS from the U.S. or other unrestricted territory, and the "E" and "N" versions will sit on shelves collecting dust.
I have it pre-ordered from Newegg when MS had that pre-order special for $50 or some such. However, I may wait until SP1 comes out before upgrading.
http://www.ithinkdiff.com/how-to-download-a-browser-in-windows-7-e-or-n-editions-without-using-a-browser/
So basically how I had figured out how I would do it anyways
The average user, I think will be having an issue with this though.
Basically what will happen is those in EU will just buy the OS from the U.S. or other unrestricted territory, and the "E" and "N" versions will sit on shelves collecting dust.
All hail the never failing public library interwebz connection and a jump drive :P
Step 1: Bike to local net enabled library.
Step 2: Steal the sign in info off the desk by talking to the old hag and distracting her.
Step 2b: Just ask to sign in for an hour if that is your style.
Step 3: Log onto interwebs and download the following:
Firefox
Ad-Aware
uTorrent ((cmon this one is obvie :P))
Winamp ((eats itunes for breakfast and isn't such a resource whore, also can load up ipods with music using it))
Any variant of your favourite C++ editor, java editor, and maybe python editor if you are bored like me.
Newest Nvida/ATI drivers.
Maybe get the flash files for your BIOS.
Step 4: Unplug USB jump drive, stick it in your pack, ride back home, install all of the above.
Step 5: DONE!
Oh and don't forget to take one of these!
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis---
NZXT Phantom 410 Case
Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz
Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard
Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
I am waiting for Windows 3.1 to become obsolete. And then it's go time!
I will stick with Vista until I absolutely need to "upgrade".
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
That is like keeping a dead cat because your used to its smell and don't want a new one >.>
I hate how VISTA is a super resource hog.....example:
Min reqs for Crysis:
XP:
2.8 Ghz CPU
1.0 Gig Ram
Vistacrap:
3.2 Ghz
1.5 Gb or more
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis---
NZXT Phantom 410 Case
Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz
Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard
Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
I fully support your argument and you also get a cookie.....this thread is ftw
--Custom Rig: Pyraxis---
NZXT Phantom 410 Case
Intel Core i5-4690 Processor - Quad Core, 6MB Smart Cache, 3.5GHz
Asus Sabertooth Z87 Motherboard
Asus GeForce GTX 760 Video Card - 2GB GDDR5, PCI-Express 3.0
Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 16GB
I use Vista at the moment; that should probably answer the question.
On the off-chance that it doesn't, I already have Windows 7 on pre-order since it's selling for a piddly £75 on UK pre-order sites at the moment. I've tried it out and there's just no comparison with Vista; W7 widdles on it from a great height.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I already use win 7 and it works perfectly, so yes, if I bought software, I would buy win 7 at release.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I don't trust any new M$ operating system until at least the first service pack, every single one of them have been unstable, insecure and full of bugs until they have been in the wild for at least 6 months. I didn't upgrade to XP, Vista or now 7 until post SP1, I will likely never do so again with any M$ product.
They've earned my distrust.
Played: UO, EQ, WoW, DDO, SWG, AO, CoH, EvE, TR, AoC, GW, GA, Aion, Allods, lots more
Relatively Recently (Re)Played: HL2 (all), Halo (PC, all), Batman:AA; AC, ME, BS, DA, FO3, DS, Doom (all), LFD1&2, KOTOR, Portal 1&2, Blink, Elder Scrolls (all), lots more
Now Playing: None
Hope: None
I have been running Win 7 RC2 on my gaming comp and must say I am very impressed by it. Everything is that much faster, cleaner, and just works. The UI changes are outstanding, they really do make you more productive (for those times I am running Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Premier, Photoshop 64bit, 3 browsers with 6+ tabs open in each, email client, and a game (duh, look at my system!). Even with all these on there is a HUGE difference between Vista Ultimate 64bit and Win 7 Ultimate 64bit.
- Case: Thermaltake Kandalf Black Chassis
- CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz (OC'd 4.2GHz on Water Cooling)
- Memory: Mushkin 8Gb (4x 2Gb) DDR3 1600Mhz
- HDD: Dual Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM
- GFX: (2) XFX Radeon HD 5870 in CrossFire - New upgrade!
"I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!!" - Sawlstone
ROFL....
Anyone who thought that Win98 was a good OS should be shot. Thats like saying Win ME was a great os.... BSoD anyone?
- Case: Thermaltake Kandalf Black Chassis
- CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz (OC'd 4.2GHz on Water Cooling)
- Memory: Mushkin 8Gb (4x 2Gb) DDR3 1600Mhz
- HDD: Dual Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200 RPM
- GFX: (2) XFX Radeon HD 5870 in CrossFire - New upgrade!
"I like wow, I like aion and I like AoC all for different reasons.....the later cause i get to see boobs, but still its a reason!!" - Sawlstone
No, I will not be buying Windows 7 at release.
But that is because I will be getting my copy for free from the place that I work
I pre-ordered mine at Microsoft.com to take advantage of the $49.00 price tag. You can't really go wrong since it includes the 32bit and 64bit discs as well as having Windows XP built into the setup for XP compatability mode
The upgrade disc also allows you to make a clean full install.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
49USD, thats Home Premium right? The XP modus feature is only for Professional and above editions.
Hell yeah the first day i can get my hands on it i'll buy it. I've pretty bought every version of Windows on the first sale day. Vista which i love was no exception.
ROFL....
Anyone who thought that Win98 was a good OS should be shot. Thats like saying Win ME was a great os.... BSoD anyone?
Windows 98 SE , not its first incarnation. The first release of 98 blew chunks (Windows ME also sucked rocks, and much like Vista was shipped unfinished and unworthy of owning solely to keep a current Microsoft product in the market). SE was pretty damn rock solid. So much so that when XP came out most of the computer techs I worked with didn't want to adopt it. As to your comment of "BSoD anyone" I'm sure to are referring to the hilarious video of Bill and co with egg on their faces while hyping the soon to be released 98. After the travesty of Windows 95 we felt they deserved it.
Vista's early bad publicity was due to hardware manufactorers not writing drivers that worked. over 30% of BSoD's happening before SP1 was due to Nvidia's crap driver.
The reason why Win7 is such a huge success now is that drivers are available because it uses the same driver model as Vista. Vista took the flak for changing the driver model and forcing developers to rethink their software application so that admin privilages was not needed in order to use said software.
Windows 7 "only" builds on top of that, and refines it.
Besides, the only reason why XP SP2 got decent was because Vista devs was pulled out of production to help combat the raising online malware threat. The security center for instance was ment as a Vista feature but was ported and included in XP SP2. This move caused Vista to miss it's deadline multible times (It was ment af a 2005 release initially)
So all the XP worshippers out there remember that Vista devs made it was it is today. Besides, Vista is rock solid and has been for almost two years now.
49USD, thats Home Premium right? The XP modus feature is only for Professional and above editions.
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. Changed my order to the Pro version, it's only about 30 bucks more at $79. I'd much rather pay that and have it patched if necessary, than pay regular retail of 300 or so dollars.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Did I say *all* problems were caused by bad drivers from 3rd party developers?
No, but it was the largest issue regular customers were facing at release. This made the OS look worse in the eyes of the public than it really was or even is. Especially if they bought a cheap laptop filled to the rim with bloatware installed by their OEM's. Normal people wouldn't know what to do, and would just be unhappy regarding their purchage.
You have to keep in mind that Microsoft's consumer sales are almost exclusively done by OEM's, to a very large degree the OEM's will make or break the release of an OS.
I remember XP as filled to the rim with problems while my own copy of Win98 ME was solid as a rock (Odd, I know) and Vista faced the same issue as changes was made which Win7 will reap the benifits from.
It'll be the same thing once Microsoft desides to kill 32bit computering, which I'm hoping will happen on the OS after Win7 (Which will likely be released in 2014). Huge changes will always bring some pain and discomfort.