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Will you still play SW:TOR if they have a Subscription + RMT model?
Abrahmm
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With the leak and then revocation of them using an RMT model, quesiton is simple. If SW:TOR deploys a subscription and an RMT/cash shop like what Cryptic is planning for Champions, would you still play?
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I'll wait and see how it works, and how much fun the game is. Avoiding it simply because it may have some RMT would just be stupid.
It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
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Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Sure.
If the RMT is limited to external services like namechanges/etc, then I would be 100% happy.
If it's "fluff" stuff like pink saber crystals that don't really affect anything gameplay-wise then I would be 100% happy, 'cos it wouldn't affect me since I don't bother much with stuff like that.
If the RMT includes imbalancing end-game items then I would still play, but would avoid any end-game affected shenanigans like PvP or such; I'd just get my PvP fix in a different game like EVE and enjoy TOR as a story-driven multiplayer RPG..
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
That is just too reasonable. Given the OPs posting history I kind of hope they add RMT.
That is just too reasonable. Given the OPs posting history I kind of hope they add RMT.
Whats that mean?
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Only if the the RMT is balanced and is not required to advanced in game.
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It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches.
It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches.
You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it.
I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches.
You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it.
I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.
right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.
I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta. Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch. I'm a realist. I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented.
No RMT or MT model can be profitable with just "fluff" items. Nor can they rake in the money if the game mechanics don't encourage purchases. They arent' looking for a small boost in income along with subscriptions, they are looking to make huge profits. It's the whole point of combining box sales plus subscriptions plus real money trade and micro transactions. You want to throw your money away, then more power to you. The point is that these companies don't deserve this kind of income for the product and services they provide. They will become more expensive than cable with a fraction of the content.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches.
You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it.
I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.
right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.
I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta. Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch. I'm a realist. I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented.
I call you a proponent based on the lengthy argument we had before where you defended and pushed RMT as a good thing. Stop twisting the analogy, I never mentioned anything about a sandwhich shop, but it it helps you understand the analogy more, all of the sandwhiches in the shop have sardines. There, better? No, you can't pick them off, they are encrusted into the bread too. All of the drinks have blended sardines in them. The chips are sardine flavored. The bathrooms use sardines as toilet paper. And they have Sardine chip cookies.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It isn't stupid if you don't like RMT. That would be like saying "Not eating sardines is stupid", even if the person hates sardines. If you don't like it you don't want it. If you like it than you do want it. Pretty simple.
It's more like avoiding the whole sandwhich shop because they offer sardines on one of their sandwhiches.
You missed my point. If you don't like RMT in any form, it isn't stupid to not want to play a game that has RMT because you don't like it. Just as I would say it isn't stupid to avoid a subscription based game if you hate paying subscriptions and prefer RMT. If you don't like it, you don't like it. If you don't want anything to do with it, you don't want anything to do with it.
I know you are a proponent of RMT and I think you are just trying to start an argument, which isn't the point of this post, so I'm going to stop now.
right, and if you don't like sardines in any form, you'd just be better off avoiding all of the other delightfull sandwhiches they have to offer.
I do not, and have not, played an RMT game with the exception of Requiem during beta. Calling me a proponent is quite a stretch. I'm a realist. I see it coming, and I'm ok with it depending on how it is implemented.
I call you a proponent based on the lengthy argument we had before where you defended and pushed RMT as a good thing. Stop twisting the analogy, I never mentioned anything about a sandwhich shop, but it it helps you understand the analogy more, all of the sandwhiches in the shop have sardines. There, better? No, you can't pick them off, they are encrusted into the bread too. All of the drinks have blended sardines in them. The chips are sardine flavored. The bathrooms use sardines as toilet paper. And they have Sardine chip cookies.
i think calling it RMT is a bit of a misnomer, as we're not really talking about monthly subscriptions and micropayments, but just a micropayment model, the likelyhood being that you can buy 'adventure packages' as you progress through the game, more as an additional content kind of thing, it is a storyline based game after all, though i've no doubt that there would also be certain 'cosmetic' items available, more than likely these would be optional extra's rather than absolute requirements. possibly along the lines that DDO unlimited are currently exploring maybe?
All of Sony's games are subscription and micro transaction. Champions Online will be doing the same. Any gaming company that is thinking of changing their business model, will follow suit in order to compete. Only Eastern made games follow the F2P model.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
That is how I understood it as well and it would actually confirm the rumors that went around a while back. There was a rumor that said that the SW:TOR business model (that was pitched to LucasArts) would be based on microtrasnactions where you purchase your adventure content. Some even speculated that it will not have a typical subscription model for that reason.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
the F2P model may have started there but its gaining ground, guildwars was after all f2p, with the costs being levied by the module purchase, though i've no doubt they kept their costs as low as they did because only the central hubs were the 'real' mmo areas, which, oddly seems to be the way that ToR is progressing. thats not necessarily a bad thing, after all, in game latency is often one of the biggest hangups in online gaming, if the action takes place only on a few computers (solo or group) then latency isnt going to be that bad, as long as the players arent too far apart that is. its entirely possible that micropayment schemes involving 'adventure packs' of individual or perhaps groups of scenarios, might be the easiest way of paying for the game, though whether you would need to 'own' a particular adventure to bring a friend into it, i dont know, lets see how they do it i guess. though obviously there are only so many different ways it could be implemented.
Yup, pretty much. RMT is coming. High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps.
People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it. If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it. The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.
Why would they do RMT, that's stupid imo. The game has so much hype right now, they'd be fine with monthly fees. If they do release with Monthly fees and RMT, I'll probably still end up playing it to level cap and end game. I hope this doesn't happen though.
Yup, pretty much. RMT is coming. High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps.
People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it. If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it. The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.
i think it was an option of having a monthly subscription or a micropayment scheme, not having both at the same time. i can't see anyone agreeing to making additional payments in a game their already paying for, you dont pay for everything twice after all (though with tax and vat, im not so sure thats actually true;D )
If it's RMT I will not buy or play it.
Just my 2ct for today.
...well maybe more like 1ct.
Yup, pretty much. RMT is coming. High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps.
People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it. If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it. The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.
i think it was an option of having a monthly subscription or a micropayment scheme, not having both at the same time. i can't see anyone agreeing to making additional payments in a game their already paying for, you dont pay for everything twice after all (though with tax and vat, im not so sure thats actually true;D )
No, many games are requiring a subscription fee AND offering an item shop/rmt. Cryptic is doing it, and SOE has been introducing it into all of their games.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Yup, pretty much. RMT is coming. High profile games that go the RMT route and DO WELL will only increase the rate at which other companies follow in their footsteps.
People against RMT would have to hope that RMT games do horribly, crash and burn, that the developers and their families get kidnapped and tortured in order to stop it. If RMT games do well, that shows that there is a market for it. The extra RMT $$ on top of the monthly fee is just the icing on the cake.
Exactly. So many haters of RMT are blinded by their hate, that they really refuse to see that it is the future (and a sad future at that).
I am no major proponent of RMT. As a matter of fact, on principle, I do not play any games that offer RMT except in the broader definition of the term.
But make no mistake, it is the wave of the future. Even many single player games are starting to offer it as well. The question though is how do we define it and for that reason, the OP's question/poll cannot be easily answered. There are many, mant categories of RMT, but I basically put it in 3 major types:
1. RMT Services: This includes things such as name changes, character transfers, merging accounts, etc....
2. RMT Fluff: This is stuff like glowy things, new furniture for your house, etc.... This is stuff that, even though it is in game, it doesn't make the game easier or effect game play at all. This is a very hard category to define though because it is argumentative what can and cannot effect game play.
3. RMT Game Changers: This is where anything and everything can be done with RMT. You can buy leveling potions, PVP potions, gear, skills, powers, etc.....
Now with that said, there are still major issues that have to be addressed. For example, can you get stuff in game without doing RMT or is the RMT stuff accessible only with money? If it is accessible in game, how much easier or more difficult is it than paying with money?
So the issue of RMT isn't that simple. The problem we have is that people want to lump everything into one category and call it RMT. That just isn't accurate because if you are against ALL RMT, good luck find a game right now.
Going by the example above, I can say I am fine and will play any game with example #1. I am okay on #2 but it gets iffy for me depending on what is and isn't offered.
#3 is out of the question.....period. I do not care if it can be gotten in game as well. Anything that effect game play is simply out of the question and I will take my business elsewhere.
I really don't know why you keep touting that RMT is the future. Everyone's future is their own. And I can tell you, without a doubt, RMT is not in my future.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
micro payments and subscription model, if they seriously tried to charge a monthly subscription, and then tried to charge you for content in the game through micropayments, i would be extremely dubious about playing, no matter how good a game is ultimately going to be, charging for content in a game your already paying for strikes me as being more than slightly dishonest, no matter what kind of spin you put on it. so i really hope that your wrong with that one.
Y'know, if the industry truly is moving in the direction that every game will ultimately have RMT; perhaps TOR is the game in which it have the -least- impact on gameplay.
Considering that TOR's focus is on the journey and the rather lengthy ("hundreds of hours" ) personal storyline, will the majority of players even care about cash-shop purchases like XP potions, non-combat pets, etc?
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
A man and his wife are driving down the road to get something to eat. They see a sandwich shop and the wife says, "hey honey lets go eat at that sandwich shop." The man says, "I'm sorry but I don't eat at places that offer condiments." Then the wife notices a hamburger shop and offers up the suggestion of eating there instead. The man says, "Honey...you know I don't eat anywhere that offers condiments. I like my food plain and I refuse to have the opportunity to put some extras on whatever it is I eat." They finally pull up to a tiny hot wing place that offers nothing but hot wings. They don't even offer ranch to go with their hot wings. The huband gets out and says, "YES! finally...I can enjoy my usual hot wings and not have the opportunity to be bothered by all that extra non-sense that I don't want."
The point is...RMT is just an added condiment on top of what your really playing (eating). If it ruins the game for you (mayonnaise for me) then don't bother using it. You can still play the game (eat the food) without having to use that particular part of it (condiment).
I think it's insanely stupid and radical that someone cannot play or enjoy a game if it ***offers*** the ability to do more with an extra dollar or two a month, or hell...maybe even a dollar or two every couple of days. If EXP potions are offered and you use them until your character gets to max level then after that do you plan on using them again? No, not unless you make an alt and don't want to play it up normally and would rather blow through the content faster then maybe you will. But the fact that people see RMT (condiments) and immediately turn away is rather stupid, radical, and down right moronic in my opinion.
-Thafireball
(Thanks if you read the whole thing...I know a lot of people don't bother so I do appreciate your patience)