The American people know when they're being patronized.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
"Death tax." The estate tax, which only falls on the wealthy, and is the most progressive tax of all. In 2001, the estate tax had rates decrease and exemptions increase, with a total phaseout in 2010. How many six-pack or plumber Americans thought the awful "death tax" was going to "hit" them? At the time of the passage, the richest 1 percent of Americans paid two-thirds of the estate tax. This was a tax on the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy.
"2005 Gasoline for America's Security Act." A tax break for oil companies.
"Privatization of social security." It would have resulted in the cutting of promised future benefits. It meant, basically, you pay 100% and get 50% of the benefits.
Bush's expansion of the Medicare prescription drug plan was a boon to the pharmaceutical industry and bad for taxpayers and seniors.
Bush's 2001 tax cuts: share reductions in the TOP income tax rate and phase out of the estate tax.
Bush's 2003 tax cuts: reduction of taxes on dividends and capital, primarily benefiting the wealthiest Americans.
Ronald Reagan: clothed elitist economic policies in populist rhetoric.
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
The American people know when they're being patronized.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
"Death tax." The estate tax, which only falls on the wealthy, and is the most progressive tax of all. In 2001, the estate tax had rates decrease and exemptions increase, with a total phaseout in 2010. How many six-pack or plumber Americans thought the awful "death tax" was going to "hit" them? At the time of the passage, the richest 1 percent of Americans paid two-thirds of the estate tax. This was a tax on the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy.
"2005 Gasoline for America's Security Act." A tax break for oil companies.
"Privatization of social security." It would have resulted in the cutting of promised future benefits. It meant, basically, you pay 100% and get 50% of the benefits.
Bush's expansion of the Medicare prescription drug plan was a boon to the pharmaceutical industry and bad for taxpayers and seniors.
Bush's 2001 tax cuts: share reductions in the TOP income tax rate and phase out of the estate tax.
Bush's 2003 tax cuts: reduction of taxes on dividends and capital, primarily benefiting the wealthiest Americans.
Ronald Reagan: clothed elitist economic policies in populist rhetoric.
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
I will venture to say you are wrong here and there. You approach the examples I provided from an ideological perspective, and your analysis must fit your ideological bent. I do not have anymore to say on the subjects, though, other than to return to my original and limited point: the public is not aware when they are being fooled.
The American people know when they're being patronized.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
"Death tax." The estate tax, which only falls on the wealthy, and is the most progressive tax of all. In 2001, the estate tax had rates decrease and exemptions increase, with a total phaseout in 2010. How many six-pack or plumber Americans thought the awful "death tax" was going to "hit" them? At the time of the passage, the richest 1 percent of Americans paid two-thirds of the estate tax. This was a tax on the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy of the wealthy.
"2005 Gasoline for America's Security Act." A tax break for oil companies.
"Privatization of social security." It would have resulted in the cutting of promised future benefits. It meant, basically, you pay 100% and get 50% of the benefits.
Bush's expansion of the Medicare prescription drug plan was a boon to the pharmaceutical industry and bad for taxpayers and seniors.
Bush's 2001 tax cuts: share reductions in the TOP income tax rate and phase out of the estate tax.
Bush's 2003 tax cuts: reduction of taxes on dividends and capital, primarily benefiting the wealthiest Americans.
Ronald Reagan: clothed elitist economic policies in populist rhetoric.
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
I will venture to say you are wrong here and there. You approach the examples I provided from an ideological perspective, and your analysis must fit your ideological bent. I do not have anymore to say on the subjects, though, other than to return to my original and limited point: the public is not aware when they are being fooled.
how about this then, did you read the post right above yours? How's that for ideological bent?
Wtf are you talking about? they got 60 votes so why the hell should they care what the GOP says.
I'm all for it. I've long since abandoned the bipartisan mentality. I say ramrod a SPO through. Unfortunately, the democrats think they need to work across party lines. I don't think the republicans will change one iota. I think it probably will come down to a one party bill. Good for Americans, I say. The less republican they have in their legislation the better off they'll be.
Just like it was for Hillary. The liberal news outlets are starting to get overwhelmed by the massive public outcry against this crap being shoved on us. The white house is in full damage control and pr repair. Democrats holding weak seats are starting to feel the heat and trying to back out. muahhahaha...
it's time for a new contract with America. Oh and palin has 42% of the vote against Obama if the election were held today HAHAHAHA....this one is great.
no links provided, just because I can.
I' would have to agree, about this issue being his bane. It would, has been , and will be any Presidents bane, until, we have a real health care system. Or at least, some form of REAL, health care regulation, for REAL people. Or both. Which may never happen.
FDR's, New Deal, had a host of opposition, yet, was the only REAL, help, that REAL people received.
Sadly I feel that we will have to get even closer to total collapse, before any, REAL, legislation ever occures.
Odd we seem to have had the same De regulations, starting during the Bush-1 administration, and continuing thru all after he, that brought us to our current point, as which lead to, the Great Depression.
Maybe thats the key, break to toy, pull it's wheels off, and then fix it ?
Thank god Democrats aren't 1 collective mind. Anyone with common sense can tell this current healthcare proposal will be an abysmal failure. Its an extension of medicare with all the refusal to funds you will find in medicare at 3 times the cost to insure a person through private health insurance. How can anyone legitametly approve such an atrociously horrible bill?
Originally posted by Mardy Democrats have enough votes to get the healthcare bill passed
No, without the Blue Dogs, they do not.
Blue Dog "Democrats", they are still Democrats. They have enough votes to get it passed, but like everybody have been trying to point out, this bill can't even please the Democratic party at the moment. Which is why these posters blaming republican this, republican that are really funny because they refuse to look at their own party affiliation to get this passed.
GOP has been voted out, the Democrats have had control of the Congress for 3 years now, now they even got the whitehouse. It's time people man up and move on from blaming the other party, and start making the people they voted in accountable for not getting things done. Or in many cases, accountable for doing the wrong things such as spending borrowed money, money we don't have, in an effort to create a fake temporary boost to the economy so they can say they did something.
Its an extension of medicare with all the refusal to funds you will find in medicare at 3 times the cost to insure a person through private health insurance.
So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
Its an extension of medicare with all the refusal to funds you will find in medicare at 3 times the cost to insure a person through private health insurance.
So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
The "public option" eh? I see you're not off message.
Its an extension of medicare with all the refusal to funds you will find in medicare at 3 times the cost to insure a person through private health insurance.
So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
The "public option" eh? I see you're not off message.
Exactly. A luxury of being on the side off solution and not distraction. For the record, I don't think a public option is the best solution, but it's much closer than the unabated private supply.
Its being financed in 2 methods. First is tax payer money, then its public health insurance premiums. The bill itself calls for 3 times the funds needed to insure everyone in the United States coming straight from taxpayers. Premiums are reduced for a public option ontop of this. Its like a dispropornate plan where someone who is in the lowest tax tier pays no additional taxes but must buy into a public plan for something like $480/year. While someone in the highest income bracket is paying $12k or more per year ontop of their own insurance. So on the surface for 90% of Americans they will be paying less for insurance. They are also forced to pay.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration. Opposed to the private sector where 80% goes into care and 20% goes into administration. So, if the bureaucratic costs are roughly 3%, where does that other 17% go? Profit, of course.
Insurance premiums have doubled over the last fifteen years and out-of-pocket costs have risen sharply. This is interesting because in 1993 private insurers had roughly 5% administrative costs, meaning 95% of revenues went into care, and about 2% to profit with 10 million more people insured.
It's pretty remarkable that 15 years later:
2% profit jumped to 17%
premiums doubled
co-pays increased
deductibles increased
more people were denied coverage
more people were purged from rolls
more people had policies rescinded
don't you think?
This is why the CEO of a major health insurer can sit on over $1,600,000,000 in stock options. How many citizens could $1,600,000,000 cover? Take some of that 17% profit away from the for-profit, private, sick care system and expand coverage. That is the focus of the public option.
Do it now or you seal your own fate. Will YOU be the one withourt coverage tomorrow? The only way to be certain is to support a public option or to never get sick. The failures of the private health insurance industry are as serious as a heart attack.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter? You'll make up your own number later on anyway.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
I don't know. I know it's it the billions. Billions in taxpayer's hard earned money. Billions that could be going toward the space program. Or fixing the roads. Or just staying in the taxpayers' pockets to invest in the economy. Which would mean more jobs for more Americans.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
Originally posted by Mardy GOP has been voted out, the Democrats have had control of the Congress for 3 years now, now they even got the whitehouse. It's time people man up and move on from blaming the other party, and start making the people they voted in accountable for not getting things done. Or in many cases, accountable for doing the wrong things such as spending borrowed money, money we don't have, in an effort to create a fake temporary boost to the economy so they can say they did something.
Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
Yes. Good point. I agree with Obama on this one.
I can edit posts to fit my argument too.
Don't edit my posts in a quote.
Awesome retort, man. You really put me in my place on that one. I've always thought changing the subject rather than engaging in the debate was a brilliant tactic. Unlike you, I didn't completely re-write the post. I simply addressed the pertinent point and left off the superfluous stuff.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
Yes. Good point. I agree with Obama on this one.
I can edit posts to fit my argument too.
Don't edit my posts in a quote.
You really put me in my place on that one.
Thanks.
I didn't rewrite any of that one, and yet the response is completely changed. I do hope it meets your approval.
Originally posted by Mardy GOP has been voted out, the Democrats have had control of the Congress for 3 years now, now they even got the whitehouse. It's time people man up and move on from blaming the other party, and start making the people they voted in accountable for not getting things done. Or in many cases, accountable for doing the wrong things such as spending borrowed money, money we don't have, in an effort to create a fake temporary boost to the economy so they can say they did something.
Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
The excuses begin..... Lol the more things "change" the more they stay the same.
Originally posted by Mardy GOP has been voted out, the Democrats have had control of the Congress for 3 years now, now they even got the whitehouse. It's time people man up and move on from blaming the other party, and start making the people they voted in accountable for not getting things done. Or in many cases, accountable for doing the wrong things such as spending borrowed money, money we don't have, in an effort to create a fake temporary boost to the economy so they can say they did something.
Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
The excuses begin..... Lol the more things "change" the more they stay the same.
You know what else I noticed last night is that he's trying to claim that he inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit, which is an outright lie. He said it about three times. It was more like $435 billion. So now he's trying to lay as much of his deficit onto the previous administration as possible. But I don't think it's going to fly.
Originally posted by Chieftan Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
Actually, the Dow has been on the up and up and the NASDAQ had the best week since 1992. I would say things are getting better, at least in that area.
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The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
Here is what this horrific orwellian nightmare plan means for you...
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
And where does a horrible plan come from ? why its supporters are made up of senators like Max Baucus. Lets see who Max has gotten "donations" from...
According to OpenSecrets.org, over his career he has taken donations from:
* The Insurance Industry: $1,170,313
* Health Professionals: $1,016,276
* Pharmaceuticals/Health Products Industry: $734,605
* Hospitals/Nursing Homes: $541,891
* Health Services/HMOs: $439,700
This plan and this govt of ours is a total fraud.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
I will venture to say you are wrong here and there. You approach the examples I provided from an ideological perspective, and your analysis must fit your ideological bent. I do not have anymore to say on the subjects, though, other than to return to my original and limited point: the public is not aware when they are being fooled.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
I could continue; I do not want to.
This post is so full of bs i don't know where to begin...
1. DEATH TAX. do you really think someone who has paid taxes on everything they own, paid taxes on every property they own, on their business, paid taxes on every part of it...just because they are doing well doesn't deserve to pass it all on to their family when they die? are you shitting me?
2. How much tax already goes to the federal government on a gallon of gas? and do you remember paying four bucks a gallon not 2 years ago? give someone a BREAK so i pay less at the pump!
3. privatize social security? you mean the 2% of it? please, that's just weak and you know it.
4. ya, that was an attempt to make democrats happy, once again, worthless trying to do that.
5. you say it's for the TOP earners,well thats bullcrap. it affected my family DIRECTLY, and they aren't anywhere NEAR any top percentage of earners.
i could continue, i do NOT want to either.
you always like to make bullets and format your posts, but you don't say anything.
I will venture to say you are wrong here and there. You approach the examples I provided from an ideological perspective, and your analysis must fit your ideological bent. I do not have anymore to say on the subjects, though, other than to return to my original and limited point: the public is not aware when they are being fooled.
how about this then, did you read the post right above yours? How's that for ideological bent?
I'm all for it. I've long since abandoned the bipartisan mentality. I say ramrod a SPO through. Unfortunately, the democrats think they need to work across party lines. I don't think the republicans will change one iota. I think it probably will come down to a one party bill. Good for Americans, I say. The less republican they have in their legislation the better off they'll be.
The American people know when they're being patronized?
Since when?
Since 2006.
I' would have to agree, about this issue being his bane. It would, has been , and will be any Presidents bane, until, we have a real health care system. Or at least, some form of REAL, health care regulation, for REAL people. Or both. Which may never happen.
FDR's, New Deal, had a host of opposition, yet, was the only REAL, help, that REAL people received.
Sadly I feel that we will have to get even closer to total collapse, before any, REAL, legislation ever occures.
Odd we seem to have had the same De regulations, starting during the Bush-1 administration, and continuing thru all after he, that brought us to our current point, as which lead to, the Great Depression.
Maybe thats the key, break to toy, pull it's wheels off, and then fix it ?
No, without the Blue Dogs, they do not.
Thank god Democrats aren't 1 collective mind. Anyone with common sense can tell this current healthcare proposal will be an abysmal failure. Its an extension of medicare with all the refusal to funds you will find in medicare at 3 times the cost to insure a person through private health insurance. How can anyone legitametly approve such an atrociously horrible bill?
No, without the Blue Dogs, they do not.
Blue Dog "Democrats", they are still Democrats. They have enough votes to get it passed, but like everybody have been trying to point out, this bill can't even please the Democratic party at the moment. Which is why these posters blaming republican this, republican that are really funny because they refuse to look at their own party affiliation to get this passed.
GOP has been voted out, the Democrats have had control of the Congress for 3 years now, now they even got the whitehouse. It's time people man up and move on from blaming the other party, and start making the people they voted in accountable for not getting things done. Or in many cases, accountable for doing the wrong things such as spending borrowed money, money we don't have, in an effort to create a fake temporary boost to the economy so they can say they did something.
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So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
The "public option" eh? I see you're not off message.
So which is it? The public option will be three times more expensive than private insurance or it'll be too cheap for the private sector to compete? You'll need to make a choice eventually. Don't be caught off message.
The "public option" eh? I see you're not off message.
Exactly. A luxury of being on the side off solution and not distraction. For the record, I don't think a public option is the best solution, but it's much closer than the unabated private supply.
Its being financed in 2 methods. First is tax payer money, then its public health insurance premiums. The bill itself calls for 3 times the funds needed to insure everyone in the United States coming straight from taxpayers. Premiums are reduced for a public option ontop of this. Its like a dispropornate plan where someone who is in the lowest tax tier pays no additional taxes but must buy into a public plan for something like $480/year. While someone in the highest income bracket is paying $12k or more per year ontop of their own insurance. So on the surface for 90% of Americans they will be paying less for insurance. They are also forced to pay.
Most of that money is going to the same place as medicare/medicaid. Into beurocracy and administration to tell you no, or to insurance contracters picked by the congress.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration. Opposed to the private sector where 80% goes into care and 20% goes into administration. So, if the bureaucratic costs are roughly 3%, where does that other 17% go? Profit, of course.
Insurance premiums have doubled over the last fifteen years and out-of-pocket costs have risen sharply. This is interesting because in 1993 private insurers had roughly 5% administrative costs, meaning 95% of revenues went into care, and about 2% to profit with 10 million more people insured.
It's pretty remarkable that 15 years later:
don't you think?
This is why the CEO of a major health insurer can sit on over $1,600,000,000 in stock options. How many citizens could $1,600,000,000 cover? Take some of that 17% profit away from the for-profit, private, sick care system and expand coverage. That is the focus of the public option.
Do it now or you seal your own fate. Will YOU be the one withourt coverage tomorrow? The only way to be certain is to support a public option or to never get sick. The failures of the private health insurance industry are as serious as a heart attack.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter? You'll make up your own number later on anyway.
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Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
I don't know. I know it's it the billions. Billions in taxpayer's hard earned money. Billions that could be going toward the space program. Or fixing the roads. Or just staying in the taxpayers' pockets to invest in the economy. Which would mean more jobs for more Americans.
So I guess based on that, yes, it matters.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
Yes. Good point. I agree with Obama on this one.
I can edit posts to fit my argument too.
Don't edit my posts in a quote.
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Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
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Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
Yes. Good point. I agree with Obama on this one.
I can edit posts to fit my argument too.
Don't edit my posts in a quote.
Awesome retort, man. You really put me in my place on that one. I've always thought changing the subject rather than engaging in the debate was a brilliant tactic. Unlike you, I didn't completely re-write the post. I simply addressed the pertinent point and left off the superfluous stuff.
Just plain false information.
97% of medicare costs go into care, 3% into administration.
How much goes to fraud?
Does it really matter?
Yes. Good point. I agree with Obama on this one.
I can edit posts to fit my argument too.
Don't edit my posts in a quote.
You really put me in my place on that one.
Thanks.
I didn't rewrite any of that one, and yet the response is completely changed. I do hope it meets your approval.
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Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
The excuses begin..... Lol the more things "change" the more they stay the same.
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Yeah last night Obama was like "I inherited this economy". No Mr. Obama, you campaigned for this economy and now its your economy. Now we're trillions in debt and there has been no quick turnaround to show for it. Thanks alot.
The excuses begin..... Lol the more things "change" the more they stay the same.
You know what else I noticed last night is that he's trying to claim that he inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit, which is an outright lie. He said it about three times. It was more like $435 billion. So now he's trying to lay as much of his deficit onto the previous administration as possible. But I don't think it's going to fly.
Actually, the Dow has been on the up and up and the NASDAQ had the best week since 1992. I would say things are getting better, at least in that area.