People who paid for this in advance = patrons of the arts

markyturnip

I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.

While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.

To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.

Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.

If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.

They are patrons of the arts.

I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

DarkPony

Originally posted by Genleo


 its stupid people who just give money to something they have no idea about.
 
 

 

No, it are mostly informed people who read up on what MO is aiming to be and liking it so much that they are more than willing to buy into that. Whenever it's launch will be.

@OP;

Thanks

I was on the fence for a while but then, like you say, I realized that once in a while you should stand up for things you really care for.

steamtank

i've had several people fork over decent money for me to sculpt them something that i had no real previous experiance sculpting.  i had sculpted, but either not on that scale, not that type of sculpting material yadda yadda...

 

figured it was time to pay it forward.

 

i have not been let down as of yet.

jamisz

Originally posted by markyturnip


I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.
While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.
To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.
Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.
If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.
They are patrons of the arts.
I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

 

^hes right, the big companies have shown what they can do already...

Beermangler

Originally posted by DarkPony



I was on the fence for a while but then, like you say, I realized that once in a while you should stand up for things you really care for.

 

Hear hear. And come on people, are 75$ such a sinkhole for your budget? I bet you spend more on a night out! I know I just did last night/morning. For 75$ you can enjoy getting familiarized with the game, explore the world, meeting up people, guild recruiting, having the chance to come up with good ideas to enhance game experience, report bugs, so on the long run we all can be surprised by a smooth game being launched. Sure there will be bugs, even now after what... 6 years? Blizzard still fixes WoW bugs. As a QA Engineer, I know you can NEVER eliminate ALL the bugs, its a fact, no matter how much you invest in manpower and resources.

I see my investment as a vote of confidence. I put in balance what do I have to lose versus what could I gain. Flamers and mockers never quite got to this, I guess...

 

OP: +1.

 

 

DarkPony

Originally posted by Beermangler

Originally posted by DarkPony



I was on the fence for a while but then, like you say, I realized that once in a while you should stand up for things you really care for.

 

I see my investment as a vote of confidence. I put in balance what do I have to lose versus what could I gain. Flamers and mockers never quite got to this, I guess...

 

True, and if it was up to those flamers and mockers we should have to make do with the current, established gaming powerhouses for eternity while every fresh initiative from bright, independent minds gets burned in flames prematurely because their development schedual doesn't happen to perfectly reflect what they are used to.

patrikd23

Originally posted by markyturnip


I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.
While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.
To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.
Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.
If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.
They are patrons of the arts.
I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

 

This post made me happy, its nice to ones again see the light at the end the tunnel of mockers

Good post wish I could give plus rep somewhere for it.

And to the mockers which are mostly kids with no salury, and I do understand that you dont wanna pay for a game. Bet you wish everything was free. There are never bad kids, only bad parents.

I will sure buy the game when this months paycheck comes, and I have truly happy to support the company. Just to bad the limited edition boxes are long gone and sold in a few minutes. I would love to get my hands on a box like that.

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krakken

Originally posted by markyturnip


I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.
While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.
To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.
Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.
If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.
They are patrons of the arts.
I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

 

for me this is like a risky investment.

and i like to support indie dev's. hell we are not talking about 1000 of $

if i can spend it why not and i lost a lot more on stock exchange last year

*shrug* no risk no fun ...

 

Yamota

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by markyturnip


I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.
While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.
To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.
Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.
If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.
They are patrons of the arts.
I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

And to the mockers which are mostly kids with no salury, and I do understand that you dont wanna pay for a game. Bet you wish everything was free. There are never bad kids, only bad parents.

There are many reasons for us buying the game are being mocked. One is that some of the people buying it have some kind of arrogant attitude illustrated by statements like the one above. They see only their point of view and refuse to acknowledge the fact that paying a good amount of money (good in the sense that it is more than you pay for an average PC game) for a game that is not released yet is not what most common people would do.

It has nothing to do with them not having the money but more that the value money more or the game less than us who did decide to buy it. However paying more than full price for a game not released yet is NOT the norm.

DarkPony

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by markyturnip


I have seen one too many insulting comments about people who took the decision to pay up.
While I personally did not, I applaud those who would support a small developer to make the kind of game all of us say we want. It was a brave move, which bespeaks of the courage of their convictions.
To the mockers - Have you ever tried to raise finance for a worthwhile project in this climate? It's a bitch.
Have you the guts to put your money where your mouth is? If not, shame on you for mocking those with the courage to do so.
If prospective clients think this game has promise, and that the devs are trustworthy enough to deserve a break, good on them.
They are patrons of the arts.
I wish them success in their investment  - however long it may take to come to fruition.

And to the mockers which are mostly kids with no salury, and I do understand that you dont wanna pay for a game. Bet you wish everything was free. There are never bad kids, only bad parents.

There are many reasons for us buying the game are being mocked. One is that some of the people buying it have some kind of arrogant attitude illustrated by statements like the one above. They see only their point of view and refuse to acknowledge the fact that paying a good amount of money (good in the sense that it is more than you pay for an average PC game) for a game that is not released yet is not what most common people would do.

It has nothing to do with them not having the money but more that the value money more or the game less than us who did decide to buy it. However paying more than full price for a game not released yet is NOT the norm.

Hats of for the reasonable tone of voice, but your argument can also be turned around on some of the flamers here. Who "see only their point of view and refuse to acknowledge the fact that paying a good amount of money"  is something totally acceptable to thousands of this game's fans.

Ultimately, and like you suggest, it comes down on an individual decision: Do I buy the game at this stage or not?

Some will, some won't. End off, and let's stop telling eachother that the other one's decision is wrong, really.

 

Kozom

i would never mock anyone who bought a game but this has nothing 2 do with mocking the actual people but rather the conviction they have that any game that comes out its pwre pawnage and asmnessssssssssss as well as mocking those who judge a game when in beta etc. i think the state of the market being still and fruitless for the past 1-2 years full of its failures has led indy and major companies releasing games asking for rediculous amounts of money (75$?) and then delivering crap. now imagine a universe where swtor is already released... do you all honestly think MO or DFO would have more than 50% of what they have now as subscribers or any of the hype they are assosiated with? so doesnt that make all these games ...pity ****s and mockers / fanboys pretty obsolete? so the mocking etc is a situation created by our current state rather than our wanting to mock

Mikeha

Well call me what ever but I will be preordering tommorrow. Sometimes you have to take a chance on something you belive in and like many have said at least they are being honest and letting people know exactly whats going on with the game.

Scoorge

I would rather pay money to a fresh company with new ideas than some behemoth like EA who maybe charges 20 bucks less but feeds people with the same crap for years. I feel much more ripped of by big companies like EA and SOE because they would actually have the budget to make great games. Yet they charge standard prices and only deliver mainstream hand-holding goo with a complete lack of creativity.

And to those who constantly yell SCAM&FRAUD. Most people would have never preordered MO if it wouldn`t be for EPIC Games supporting them with net code and advice. EPIC Games China is also involved with providing the Atlas Extension for the Unreal Engine to make it truly MMO capable. SV also bought licensing for the Unreal Engine which is easily up to 1 million dollars per license..SV is listed on the Stock Market too. You don`t do such things and go into the stock market if you plan a scam....that would be plain stupid. CEO Henrik Nystrom himself stated on IRC today that SV is completely loan free...pretty good for a newcomer.

Examples like DF, Dark&Light, etc. are horrible because those had no business transparency at all and had no well established partners whatsoever...just look at Aventurine and their shady NA double billing shit. A new company with a strong established partner supporting them is trustworthy imo and deserves my investment. No need to throw money at greedy multi-million dollar corps or shady Tasos in my eyes.

 

twrule

People can do whatever they like with their money, that's fine.  I have a friend that spent $500 on a lord of the rings statuette.  I thought he was being ridiculous, but he apparently thought it was worth it (and has far too much money to throw around).

Anyway, as long as those people preordering acknowledge that they are essentially gambling with their money, go ahead.  You're giving more than what the market expects to someone who hasn't proven themselves in an industry where customers are used to being deceived.  That's your decision.  If you are okay with it, great, I hope it ends up being worth it.  Personally, I plan to wait until it's out on the market and I can see for myself  what I'd be getting (without overpaying).

Yeah, it takes a lot of funding to build an mmo, but customers are not responsible for that.  Our money goes toward maintaining it.  It might end up having to offset some production costs, but if the dev needs money that badly just to finish the game, it's not going to get finished.  Look at vanguard...

You made your decision, and that's fine, but don't rationalize it with the "patron of the arts" bs.  Just do what you're going to do.

Hybrid_Alpha

I pre-ordered MO and I understand the risks involved. I have given £60 to a company without any track record and done so solely on the strength of their forum posts, a few screen shots, some alpha/ beta movies and a power point presentation.

 

However I am not stupid. My reasoning is quite calculated.

 

I own my own business and built it up from nothing. When I first started it I had no track record and nothing to back me up, other than some prototypes and a vision of what I wanted to achieve. I was lucky enough to convince some people to believe in my vision and what I wanted to do and they invested money in me. Now they get their rewards for doing so.

 

 I like what SV want to do with MO. So based on their vision and ideas I am willing to take a gamble with my hard earned money. If my gamble pays off I will reap the rewards for years to come. Not just with MO but hopefully SV will go on to make bigger and better games for me to play in the future. So I am investing in the people at SV not just MO and I hope that they succeed in their venture.

 

If I misread the guys at SV and they are con artists I have lost £60.

 

However for me the risk vs. reward is worth it.

 

DarkPony

Originally posted by Hybrid_Alpha


I pre-ordered MO and I understand the risks involved. I have given £60 to a company without any track record and done so solely on the strength of their forum posts, a few screen shots, some alpha/ beta movies and a power point presentation.
 
However I am not stupid. My reasoning is quite calculated.
 
I own my own business and built it up from nothing. When I first started it I had no track record and nothing to back me up, other than some prototypes and a vision of what I wanted to achieve. I was lucky enough to convince some people to believe in my vision and what I wanted to do and they invested money in me. Now they get their rewards for doing so.
 
 I like what SV want to do with MO. So based on their vision and ideas I am willing to take a gamble with my hard earned money. If my gamble pays off I will reap the rewards for years to come. Not just with MO but hopefully SV will go on to make bigger and better games for me to play in the future. So I am investing in the people at SV not just MO and I hope that they succeed in their venture.
 
If I misread the guys at SV and they are con artists I have lost £60.
 
However for me the risk vs. reward is worth it.
 

Beautifully explained!

twrule

Originally posted by Hybrid_Alpha


I pre-ordered MO and I understand the risks involved. I have given £60 to a company without any track record and done so solely on the strength of their forum posts, a few screen shots, some alpha/ beta movies and a power point presentation.
 
However I am not stupid. My reasoning is quite calculated.
 
I own my own business and built it up from nothing. When I first started it I had no track record and nothing to back me up, other than some prototypes and a vision of what I wanted to achieve. I was lucky enough to convince some people to believe in my vision and what I wanted to do and they invested money in me. Now they get their rewards for doing so.
 
 I like what SV want to do with MO. So based on their vision and ideas I am willing to take a gamble with my hard earned money. If my gamble pays off I will reap the rewards for years to come. Not just with MO but hopefully SV will go on to make bigger and better games for me to play in the future. So I am investing in the people at SV not just MO and I hope that they succeed in their venture.
 
If I misread the guys at SV and they are con artists I have lost £60.
 
However for me the risk vs. reward is worth it.
 

 

And I respect your decision.  However, I think this scenario is a bit different than what you described with your business.  Those purchasing this game are consumers, not venture capitalists.  As I said, someone does have to invest in the company, but that's not us.  Nor is it a donation, because you're getting something for it.  Just pointing out the differences.

I'm not saying I don't understand the willingness to take risks with money though.  I chose to put down $50 plus tax to preorder Aion last week because I thought I might enjoy it, even though I had never seen it played or played it myself.  It might be a bit different because NCsoft is a known brand (granted their reputation isn't flawless).  In that case, though, I was paying a standard price for a bit extra, where as I may have paid the same for less of a product later (no free week and beta).  After playing during one of the beta events, I'm satisfied with my decision thus far.

In your case, someone could choose to wait until the game launched, and still have almost the same product, just with a little less time spent with it under their belt.  So really, you're gambling on those few months and the rest of the product, where as the person who waited doesn't have to gamble or necessarily pay as much for basically the same thing.  If you particularly thrive on being able to beta test, or feel strongly enough about it wanting the particular game to turn out a certain way though, I can see taking the risk though.

tombear81

Originally posted by solareus


{..}
Reading up on something means absolutely nothing in the current market place of gaming. The fact that a game developer was able to use nudity and promises to get people to pay into 2 magice beans,, is amazing. It seriouly is one of the most amazing things since Mourning, Dark and Light , THrones of Chaos.

 

QFT

However the problem is that there is so many people desperate for a PVP FFA MMO that any company would do this. Hells. I would do it. Truth is they probably don't have 100.000% confidence in their game. Gaming is after all a subjective thing. Though all that has happened is the stakes are being raised.

• If (like a certain other similar themed game*) the game is utter shit then the backlash will be worse.
• If its not then the benefit is that instant profitable boost and of course some people can stroke there egos for being first.

Quite frankly I won't give my money to any MMO developer from the outset anymore. There too many that will already do that so I can sit back and now my wallet is safe. Safe  from the bad practices of small and large companies and also safe from a lack of solid info on new MMOs. In a way I should be grateful for the pre-orders. If the game sucks they will be back here to whine and won't just slink off into the night.

 

* no prizes for guessing the game

 

VadimR

People should loosen up. Buying a game shouldn't be like buying shares. It shouldn't be an emotionless rational decision. Live on the wild side, go preorder cause you feel like it.

nakuma

I am a firm believer in the saying " a fool's and his money are soon parted' or another in " There is a sucker born every minute". I won't tell anyone they can't or shouldn't spend their $75 on a unestablished beta game barely ouy of alpha stage. But for me as far as I am concerned I don't think its insane to spend $75 on a game, I have spent $100 on a collector's edition game. But unlike the game I bought, MO is at its early alpha stage, and the developers are asking for $75 what amounts to "paid alpha testing" your paying to test a game, this can be construed as a bad thing or good depending on your view. Myself personally I wouldn't do this ever, but thats just it, its my opinion and my view. if you want to pay $75 to alpha test a unproven game, by all means go nuts, but do realize there will always be someone thinking you're crazy, regardless if you like it or not.

Cyborg99

Originally posted by krakken

Originally posted by markyturnip


 

 

for me this is like a risky investment.

and i like to support indie dev's. hell we are not talking about 1000 of $

if i can spend it why not and i lost a lot more on stock exchange last year

*shrug* no risk no fun ...

 

Why do you like supporting indie devs? I swear ppl are getting soft these days by always supporting the underdog and always crying about big companies. Who cares who makes a product, all that matters is the products quality/price ratio. Also $75 is not that much money but this is capitalism and if I can find a cheaper product of the same quality then I will be buying the cheaper product.

 

steamtank

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by krakken

Originally posted by markyturnip


 

 

for me this is like a risky investment.

and i like to support indie dev's. hell we are not talking about 1000 of $

if i can spend it why not and i lost a lot more on stock exchange last year

*shrug* no risk no fun ...

 

Why do you like supporting indie devs? I swear ppl are getting soft these days by always supporting the underdog and always crying about big companies. Who cares who makes a product, all that matters is the products quality/price ratio. Also $75 is not that much money but this is capitalism and if I can find a cheaper product of the same quality then I will be buying the cheaper product.

 

 

their is no cheaper product on the market or in development that offers me a massive open world first person view sandbox styled mmo.

 

if their was another one, i would follow whichever was better.

Cyborg99

Originally posted by steamtank

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by krakken

Originally posted by markyturnip


 

 

for me this is like a risky investment.

and i like to support indie dev's. hell we are not talking about 1000 of $

if i can spend it why not and i lost a lot more on stock exchange last year

*shrug* no risk no fun ...

 

Why do you like supporting indie devs? I swear ppl are getting soft these days by always supporting the underdog and always crying about big companies. Who cares who makes a product, all that matters is the products quality/price ratio. Also $75 is not that much money but this is capitalism and if I can find a cheaper product of the same quality then I will be buying the cheaper product.

 

 

their is no cheaper product on the market or in development that offers me a massive open world first person view sandbox styled mmo.

 

if their was another one, i would follow whichever was better.

 

Dare I say darkfall online?

massive open world: check

first person: check

sandbox: check

mmo: check

cheaper then $75: check

Or just play subtract the 'mmo' part of your statment and play Oblivion.

aleos

Yeah well i remember paying 60 bucks for a game that sounded totaly awesome with a monsterous world a dragon for pre-ordering and blah blah blah i was screwed out of my money my game and not given a refund. so yeah sure you could buy what you think sounds awesome from everything you hear, or you can get cheated out of your money and become a sucker. It flys both ways.

Kyleran

Meh.  It was such a small investment its really all not that much of a risk vs the potential reward for those who purchased it.

But even if it was 1000.00 a copy, if some folk have the money to spend and feel its worth it, who can judge?

In fact, many games are funded by investors who put up 10, 20, 30 M or more with not much to see before hand but powerpoint presentations and storyboards.

They do it because they can afford the risk vs the potential rewards.