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Hmm... Anxiety, have you been talking to Fikus? lol
No, we do it in the open here. What I type is mine. We also don't need to imply our point. We just post it. Theres a report button on the page if you don't like our post. Give it a shot. What are you implying?
His post had no malicious intent. What he's eluding to is that we've had talks about that in the past. That idea/concept is something we've discussed previously, and is still a possibility.
Hmm... Anxiety, have you been talking to Fikus? lol
No, we do it in the open here. What I type is mine. We also don't need to imply our point. We just post it. Theres a report button on the page if you don't like our post. Give it a shot. What are you implying?
His post had no malicious intent. What he's eluding to is that we've had talks about that in the past. That idea/concept is something we've discussed previously, and is still a possibility.
Ok. Had no idea what he was talking about. I was like wtf does that mean? I don't know you guys. No big deal. Sorry for assuming he was implying something.
and its a possibilty for all mmo gamers. About time to make a decision isnt it? How do you want your community to be remembered?
I knew there was a reason people stayed after the NGE.
Or not. It's your decision, your community.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
I just read the forums, commando got a new senate that... uh, fell from the sky, I wonder how this one will go.
Like a zombie then ?
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Like a zombie then ?
Hehe, acting like a zombie would be quite an improvement...less emotional meltdowns and tantrums.
Reading this thread has been very informitive.
When I met Dot at last years Fan Faire, he was very approachable and pleasent. Fast forward to this years FF and he was a completely different person. I think he was ready for this move and was only pal'ing around with Tony (Tx2) to get him aquanted with the event. Where is Dot going? I figure he jumped at an opening when the leads over the Agancy baled to make Facebook games. As has been stated here, SWG is a transistional game much like other MMO firms use CS [Read Sanya's report on CS]. Speaking of CS, I believe Draakuul had been floundering in the "pit" CS pool with his hard luck and got a break. Now he is struggling to keep this "break" so as to keep his stability (as it is) by eliminating any potential "boat rockers." I met Draakuul at Fan Faire this year and was not impressed. His posts as CR scream mercy promotion with how profession he is. If you read deeper into what the devs had said: I feel the Senate will either be disband or re-organized to be more streamlined and better address current issues. In other words get rid of the potential of further trouble or lessen it. Loche stated that focus on profession attention would end as a major ongoing issue outside hotfixes and minor adjustments. What that translates to is they wont need those senators or would only need a Professions Senator. IMHO.
The other thing I see is its unspoken but we got less Devs. SWG is shifting to a sunset model with a token team much like MxO. Will it be shut down soon? No, it would continue for at least six months to a year cycle if not more after TOR release unless LA pulls it for lack of performance. SOE is counting on DCUO to pick up the IP revienue that SWG looses for them. They only have a positive jump start there and can finally loose the negative word of mouth SWG generates. Many posts will be deleted across the Interwebs. Further, "follow the money", short term SWG will loose some subs with TOR's release and at that point SWG servers can be reclaimed for other SOE MMO's. A renagotation of the LA/SOE contract might also be in the mix that allows the ending of "ongoing development" and maintaining closed accounts on the dead servers. As pointed out, the Emulator + TOR + new games will take further toll on SWG. If TOR is the NGE2, WOW clone failure predicted by some then LA can return to SWG and continue for another day.
I was one of the first to report the Zombie announcment from Fan Faire. I knew what it was when Dot told us about it. He and Loche approched LA about a cross promotion of this upcoming book "Deathtrooper" and a tie in with SWG. Its targeted for release in Oct to further celebrate Holloween and the Moon Festival in game. This idea, as pointed out, allowd Dot to leave his mark on SWG in a big way. There is new art, quests, systems and content that could playout to be fun as they described. It will be a city with content from CL1 to CL90 stretching from its edge to its center with a final group bunker. Kinda like the Mydrill (spelling) Cave on Kashyyyk. The only good thing I can say that helps a problem with the game is it will have a cross promotion with another Star Wars product and let some folks know this MMO exists. Again, Dot took his promotion when he new this thing was locked in and work had already be completed to the point of no return. Its going to happen.
What would have been better? The same kinda thing except to be tied with Empire Day with an assult on some Imperial installation with no gimmic like Zombies. But that just my thought.
Senators and Ex-Senators, I am sorry for the troubles you guys have been through and Thank You for supporting our community as well as you have.
With todays rumor of a new Star Wars MMO by SOE, I may retract what I said. DUDE, money is funny in the rich man's world.
How ignorant of you, as a senator you should care.
And how did you come to the conclusion that the performance of your pc had any impact on server lag?
Server lag is, surprisingly, created by the … server. Server lag has very little to do with your pc.
I feel sorry for the SWG player base having you doing the reasoning with SOE about pvp and lag. With a mind set that "an up to date pc will not get any server lag”, I can see why there are no progresses on that matter.
You’re taking that out of context. He wrote a very thorough article about server lag. Passed on players concerns about server lag EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT an issue he personally has.
I also see it as how often people with inferior computers believe their experiencing server lag.
Honestly reading through this thread is enlightening. I haven’t followed Tux’s senate life but from his posts here I can honestly say I wouldn’t want him working for my company.
The words and wording you choose to use seem to support what Drak said in his post.
Now maybe you’re just using that here because you want to be cool to all the NGE-quitters but man if that’s your normal tone and thought process…
But hey it’s giving the SOE H8r’s something to jack off to.
They’ll probably vote you poster boy of the month.
Funny how in reading the thread the H8r’s can’t agree if the Senate is actually useful or not. I wonder if they believe the positive posts even from “fired” senators.
I’m sure Arc is calling one of his “lawyer friends” to see if you have a lawsuit option…
It’s funny all the fired senators and all this forum drama hasn’t had an impact on me enjoying SWG at all. I guess it’s because I like to play the game and treat the forums as a separate entity. Not OMG SWG is dieing they’re firing senators.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. I’m pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
So in fairness if you’ve been a fired senator or are an NGE-Quitter please post so in your sig so that people who read your post while trying to ascertain information about the game will easily be able to see that your opinion is jaded.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
You play on Ahazi? We set up using mail and tells a mechanic that made any attack on any rebel base have the ability to get 50-100 rebels their to defend within 5-10 minutes. 200+ in 20 minutes. Imps had to do the same or lose. We had the most epic pvp battles that only eve can reproduce occasionally...3,4, sometimes 10 times a week.
At that point we didnt really need a game mechanic that gave us something from the devs for winning. It had taken on a life of it's own and winning itself was more important than anything else. Losing a base was emotional now. so was destroying one. No mechanic could beat emotion. All created by one rebel who got sick of the rebels on AHAzi sucking ass. One player. Just one nobody, became the best, most famous general of the rebels on ahazi ever...using mail and tells. The most realistic gcw I have or will ever experience. All the devs did was add pvp bases. All we needed was them to enhance what we had going, but as usual SOE destroyed it cause we werent doing what they wanted us to do. Probably saw it as a negative on their end.
If you knew how bad the rebs on ahazi were, seeing them take all the planets but one Imp stronghold was a beautiful thing to see. When they started out only holding rori, and that was only because of one guild there. Great times, great community...to bad they were working on the NGE and didnt notice. A shame.
Better than any dev created content any day of the week, and done with in-game mail and tells btw. the devs should use that system to base their new gcw update on. It was beyond doubt the best most realistic pvp in an MMO that I've played.
But that's SOE's problem. A game like SWG, especially pre-nge, has to include the community in development. It can't be used as a stepping stone for devs to try out their own creations to get up the ladder, or to save the day.
Who knows what or why they do the things they do though.
Just goes to support my theory. Game companies supply the "mechanics" gamers supply the content.
The biggest limitation to content is the lack of player imagination and inventiveness.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Um, you actually controlled the planet. You know, in an immersive, living in the StarWars universe way. Your bases dominated the landscape. Rebels trying to go to and from their own cities were blasted off their vehicles by the turrets you set up, until they could remove your presence by force. And when they tried, Imps from all over the galaxy would come and hand them their asses with great enthusiasm.
Also, faction points, ranks and rewards added a lot to the game. They changed the way you interacted with NPC's, gave you access to special gear, factional swag, and gave you the ability to call and command your own factional troops for starters.
As a "day after launch day" vet (launch day crashed the game remember?) you should know all of this.
And I am a firm believer that all that was destroyed by the forum whines of the PVE player base. Of course you know I hold the player base responsible as with LA...
"Yup, and we coordinated it all on Ventrilo too, and had look-outs at shuttleports etc. to keep an eye on things. Usually a female toon that pretended to be ditzy and overly social lol. "Oh you're going to attack that big bad imperial base? Just you and your two friends? Oh really, there are 25 of you in total, and the attack starts in 10 minutes?" Lol, good times. And what made this possible? Simply the tools that the original team gave us to make up our own stories; and man, did we ever. "
And if you got over your h8 you could be in SWG doing the same things...
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
How ignorant of you, as a senator you should care.
And how did you come to the conclusion that the performance of your pc had any impact on server lag?
Server lag is, surprisingly, created by the … server. Server lag has very little to do with your pc.
I feel sorry for the SWG player base having you doing the reasoning with SOE about pvp and lag. With a mind set that "an up to date pc will not get any server lag”, I can see why there are no progresses on that matter.
You’re taking that out of context. He wrote a very thorough article about server lag. Passed on players concerns about server lag EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT an issue he personally has.
I also see it as how often people with inferior computers believe their experiencing server lag.
Honestly reading through this thread is enlightening. I haven’t followed Tux’s senate life but from his posts here I can honestly say I wouldn’t want him working for my company.
The words and wording you choose to use seem to support what Drak said in his post.
Now maybe you’re just using that here because you want to be cool to all the NGE-quitters but man if that’s your normal tone and thought process…
But hey it’s giving the SOE H8r’s something to jack off to.
They’ll probably vote you poster boy of the month.
Funny how in reading the thread the H8r’s can’t agree if the Senate is actually useful or not. I wonder if they believe the positive posts even from “fired” senators.
I’m sure Arc is calling one of his “lawyer friends” to see if you have a lawsuit option…
It’s funny all the fired senators and all this forum drama hasn’t had an impact on me enjoying SWG at all. I guess it’s because I like to play the game and treat the forums as a separate entity. Not OMG SWG is dieing they’re firing senators.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. I’m pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
So in fairness if you’ve been a fired senator or are an NGE-Quitter please post so in your sig so that people who read your post while trying to ascertain information about the game will easily be able to see that your opinion is jaded.
You quote me, and the first three lines of your reply I can relate to that quote.
But then it seams the rest is intended for Tux. I am not Tux, nor an ex Senator in a video game.
Regarding the server lag issue taken out of context; if I have to go reading articles elsewhere “to be in context” before I answer what’s written here on this forum, well maybe then I am out of context in your opinion.
To me it looks like you are the one out of context, or trolling, since I have already gone through that quote with Vincent, and he was way less defensive about it than you. How come?
Btw, go find post 133 in THIS thread, and read the conversation with Vincent about lag. It may do you good to have some fact going into you head once and a while.
How funny you should give credit to the new customer relations manager. This is they guy who openly called his playerbase whiners and crybabies after being on the job for a whole 3 days. Yes, those are the words he used to describe his players on the very forums he is supposed to moderate. He let his true feelings be known about how he views the players he is supposed to represent. The fact that he was not fired on the spot shows that soe endorses his views.
When a company and their representative act in this fashion and it goes uncorrected there is no possible way any player could ever be treated fairly or have their view taken seriously.
Jaywhal you are displaying the exact mentality that has allowed soe to shit away all the potential in their mmos this decade and chase away the vast majority of their customers. Stop blaming the players for the problems of the the company.
It is obvious that soe has problems from the failing subscriber base, loss of key personal and terrible reputation with the players. Why do people, like yourself, always work to find ways to blame it on the players? The "haters" are a byproduct of how soe conducts itself. They didn't just spring into action for no good reason and they certainly didn't create the problems.
I didn't know the SWG players controlled development for the game. huh
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How funny you should give credit to the new customer relations manager. This is they guy who openly called his playerbase whiners and crybabies after being on the job for a whole 3 days. Yes, those are the words he used to describe his players on the very forums he is supposed to moderate. He let his true feelings be known about how he views the players he is supposed to represent. The fact that he was not fired on the spot shows that soe endorses his views.
When a company and their representative act in this fashion and it goes uncorrected there is no possible way any player could ever be treated fairly or have their view taken seriously.
Jaywhal you are displaying the exact mentality that has allowed soe to shit away all the potential in their mmos this decade and chase away the vast majority of their customers. Stop blaming the players for the problems of the the company.
It is obvious that soe has problems from the failing subscriber base, loss of key personal and terrible reputation with the players. Why do people, like yourself, always work to find ways to blame it on the players? The "haters" are a byproduct of how soe conducts itself. They didn't just spring into action for no good reason and they certainly didn't create the problems.
The time I spend on forums I would agree that the player base IS whiny crybabies.
So how is it that you all applaud Tux for STANDING LIKE A ROCK, but condemn Drak for doing the same thing?
What did Tux say about smedley and then told his CM he thought it was funny as hell.
Well that's what I thought when I read Draks remarks. I thought it was funny as hell and spot on.
I have the same H8 for the whiny PVE crowd that killed the game I love, as you do for SOE.
Every aspect of SWG PVP that was taken away was taken away to please the whiny forum PVE crowd.
Who was that chick that would constantly post "Stop the forced PVP"? When I would post the fact backed "Stop the forced PVE" she couldn't argue back.
Hey I still play to this day from Beta and every aspect of the game that disgusts me is from my pvp being nerfed down to accomodate PVE!
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
How ignorant of you, as a senator you should care.
And how did you come to the conclusion that the performance of your pc had any impact on server lag?
Server lag is, surprisingly, created by the … server. Server lag has very little to do with your pc.
I feel sorry for the SWG player base having you doing the reasoning with SOE about pvp and lag. With a mind set that "an up to date pc will not get any server lag”, I can see why there are no progresses on that matter.
You’re taking that out of context. He wrote a very thorough article about server lag. Passed on players concerns about server lag EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT an issue he personally has.
I also see it as how often people with inferior computers believe their experiencing server lag.
Honestly reading through this thread is enlightening. I haven’t followed Tux’s senate life but from his posts here I can honestly say I wouldn’t want him working for my company.
The words and wording you choose to use seem to support what Drak said in his post.
Now maybe you’re just using that here because you want to be cool to all the NGE-quitters but man if that’s your normal tone and thought process…
But hey it’s giving the SOE H8r’s something to jack off to.
They’ll probably vote you poster boy of the month.
Funny how in reading the thread the H8r’s can’t agree if the Senate is actually useful or not. I wonder if they believe the positive posts even from “fired” senators.
I’m sure Arc is calling one of his “lawyer friends” to see if you have a lawsuit option…
It’s funny all the fired senators and all this forum drama hasn’t had an impact on me enjoying SWG at all. I guess it’s because I like to play the game and treat the forums as a separate entity. Not OMG SWG is dieing they’re firing senators.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. I’m pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
So in fairness if you’ve been a fired senator or are an NGE-Quitter please post so in your sig so that people who read your post while trying to ascertain information about the game will easily be able to see that your opinion is jaded.
You quote me, and the first three lines of your reply I can relate to that quote.
But then it seams the rest is intended for Tux. I am not Tux, nor an ex Senator in a video game.
Regarding the server lag issue taken out of context; if I have to go reading articles elsewhere “to be in context” before I answer what’s written here on this forum, well maybe then I am out of context in your opinion.
To me it looks like you are the one out of context, or trolling, since I have already gone through that quote with Vincent, and he was way less defensive about it than you. How come?
Btw, go find post 133 in THIS thread, and read the conversation with Vincent about lag. It may do you good to have some fact going into you head once and a while.
yeah it;s late and I thought the break of Saying how enlightening the thread is would show a change of reply. I also replied to you're thread when I got to it. Not after reading all the thread.
The main point was calling him on his job of not caring when he in context stated it wasn't a personal issue for him but he still made it a point of representation.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
How funny you should give credit to the new customer relations manager. This is they guy who openly called his playerbase whiners and crybabies after being on the job for a whole 3 days. Yes, those are the words he used to describe his players on the very forums he is supposed to moderate. He let his true feelings be known about how he views the players he is supposed to represent. The fact that he was not fired on the spot shows that soe endorses his views.
When a company and their representative act in this fashion and it goes uncorrected there is no possible way any player could ever be treated fairly or have their view taken seriously.
Jaywhal you are displaying the exact mentality that has allowed soe to shit away all the potential in their mmos this decade and chase away the vast majority of their customers. Stop blaming the players for the problems of the the company.
It is obvious that soe has problems from the failing subscriber base, loss of key personal and terrible reputation with the players. Why do people, like yourself, always work to find ways to blame it on the players? The "haters" are a byproduct of how soe conducts itself. They didn't just spring into action for no good reason and they certainly didn't create the problems.
The time I spend on forums I would agree that the player base IS whiny crybabies.
So how is it that you all applaud Tux for STANDING LIKE A ROCK, but condemn Drak for doing the same thing?
What did Tux say about smedley and then told his CM he thought it was funny as hell.
Well that's what I thought when I read Draks remarks. I thought it was funny as hell and spot on.
I have the same H8 for the whiny PVE crowd that killed the game I love, as you do for SOE.
Every aspect of SWG PVP that was taken away was taken away to please the whiny forum PVE crowd.
Who was that chick that would constantly post "Stop the forced PVP"? When I would post the fact backed "Stop the forced PVE" she couldn't argue back.
Hey I still play to this day from Beta and every aspect of the game that disgusts me is from my pvp being nerfed down to accomodate PVE!
You talk like SOE makes changes to SWG based on player feedback? SOE has a long track record of making changes to this game based on what they think the POTENTIAL customer wants and not what the CURRENT players want. You blame the players for the actions of the company, which just isn't the case. Whiny players didn't screw this game up, soe did. They released it in the condition is was. They constantly lied about the direction of the game and made changes players did not want. Even the current senate shows now little soe listens to their players. For example no one wants the zombies, but they are coming anyway.
Tux got fed up with how soe has been screwing this game up and it is pretty obvious that they have. I am not applauding him for what he did, I am condeming soe for how they handle the players. How can they ban someone from the forums for being honest when the CRM conducts himself like a 12 year old and does the complete opposite of what his job is. Draks JOB is to build up the community, not piss all over them by insulting their concerns and dismissing them as children. I think it is pretty obvious that some people are upset about the amount of content being sold through loot cards and Draks handling of the situation was horrible beyond measure.
The fact that he has not been fired shows how little respect soe has for its playerbase.
You think it is funny and accurate for the customer relationship manager to have a flame war with his customers? That is grounds for termination, not approval. Has it ever occured to you why so many people complain about swg and soe as a whole? Think about it.
heh, i figured this was were the fun would be today
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The big difference between Draak and myself is...he works for SoE and gets paid in part by my subscriptions, I was a volunteer who tried to summarize PLAYER feedback. I stood like a rock for the PLAYERS...not myself, not SoE. I never claimed to speak for ALL players or ALL playstyles...but I promise you...unlike the majority of your Senators, I did try to work with every other aspect as well because we ALL mattered.
Not only that, but you never saw me go in there attacking Draak in PMs or public posts like he attacked me on the forums. Sh!t dude...I was a customer. I PAID them and they gossiped about me on the forums...WTF is wrong with that picture?! I DID criticize Smed, but that was in direct reply to adding "zombies" over the course of TWO Updates to the game, while the GCW was going to get ONE! That IS **edit**ed up dude. Zombies = 2, GCW = 1...really?! You REALLY think zombies are soooooo important to SWG that they warrant 2 Updates to the GCW one?!
PvPers have been shafted since CU mate - most recently they/we were shipped off to the corners of Yavin so they didn't interfere with anyone else! That's fine if you don't care, but that was MY aspect to cover. Obviously you love it and are happy with it...GREAT! Most PvPers aren't.
1st...BF's were NOT what the PvPers wanted. We wanted WORLD PvP, not worthless PvP. Next...BF's are bugged to hell, the "fix" for multi-level bunkers hasn't been added yet, the Ent buff bug AND exploit still exist, que is STILL worthless...but whatever. I hope to God they NEVER fix any of them dude. Not because I have anything against you, but the piss poor way that company is being run needs to stop...only when they run out of $ will they stop though.
But please...continue to play mate. I hope you're happy ever minute you're in-game dude. Buy 10, 20, 30 accounts. Purchase TCG boosters by the box and help fund the changes they should have done years ago. Maybe, if there are enough people like you, SoE will get enough time to fix what I feel they've **edit**ed up.
How ignorant of you, as a senator you should care.
And how did you come to the conclusion that the performance of your pc had any impact on server lag?
Server lag is, surprisingly, created by the … server. Server lag has very little to do with your pc.
I feel sorry for the SWG player base having you doing the reasoning with SOE about pvp and lag. With a mind set that "an up to date pc will not get any server lag”, I can see why there are no progresses on that matter.
You’re taking that out of context. He wrote a very thorough article about server lag. Passed on players concerns about server lag EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT an issue he personally has.
I also see it as how often people with inferior computers believe their experiencing server lag.
Honestly reading through this thread is enlightening. I haven’t followed Tux’s senate life but from his posts here I can honestly say I wouldn’t want him working for my company.
The words and wording you choose to use seem to support what Drak said in his post.
Now maybe you’re just using that here because you want to be cool to all the NGE-quitters but man if that’s your normal tone and thought process…
But hey it’s giving the SOE H8r’s something to jack off to.
They’ll probably vote you poster boy of the month.
Funny how in reading the thread the H8r’s can’t agree if the Senate is actually useful or not. I wonder if they believe the positive posts even from “fired” senators.
I’m sure Arc is calling one of his “lawyer friends” to see if you have a lawsuit option…
It’s funny all the fired senators and all this forum drama hasn’t had an impact on me enjoying SWG at all. I guess it’s because I like to play the game and treat the forums as a separate entity. Not OMG SWG is dieing they’re firing senators.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. I’m pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
So in fairness if you’ve been a fired senator or are an NGE-Quitter please post so in your sig so that people who read your post while trying to ascertain information about the game will easily be able to see that your opinion is jaded.
My thing is. If you hate the so called "SOE H8ers"/"NGE Quitters", as u like to call us on the O-boards and here so much, why are you here in the Veteran Refuge forum?
You talk like SOE makes changes to SWG based on player feedback?
I most certainly do. I fought many fights on the forums against people making whines about what they wanted changed in SWG that was contrary to the original design concepts and my playstyle. Most of those whines is how the game has ended up.
I started with Ultima Online 12 years ago with the birth of this entire industry. I've seen many a game go down the tubes as the game design concept shifted towards "the pve crowd".
Everybody thinks this NGE thing was unigue to SWG and it isn't. Ultima Online suffered about the same thing.
Hardcore PvP was put secondary to the care bear PVE crowd. The only thing that didn’t make it a total NGE was that they kept the pvp lands available and then even made a super hardcore server.
But still the impact was about the same. Many players left but the care bears, gimme now, no risk all reward, forum whiners and their like took their place.
SOE has a long track record of making changes to this game based on what they think the POTENTIAL customer wants and not what the CURRENT players want. You blame the players for the actions of the company, which just isn't the case. Whiny players didn't screw this game up, soe did.
Ultimately yes SOE, LA made the final decisions on the game changes, but I can honestly say IMO that there were “people” reading the O’boards and when they went to meetings they quoted them as references in justifying their agenda.
They released it in the condition is was. They constantly lied about the direction of the game and made changes players did not want.
Again I disagree. Game changes were made that players were asking for. I don't know if you were there in the beginning but if so recall all the "over-powered profession nerfs". Who made these cries for changes? Devs that weren't playing the game?
No, players on the forums did! People who got their arse handed to them by any other profession went to the O'boards and cried nerf. The Devs responded.
Do you not agree with that?
Even the current senate shows now little soe listens to their players. For example no one wants the zombies, but they are coming anyway.
There are people that want the zombies. There are people that liked the Ewok Love fest.
There are people who liked Jar Jar Binks in the movies.
There are people who wanted to play Jedi without it being a rare/hardcore profession.
Of the people that do not want the zombies have you seen how many wrongly believe they don't belong because of "canon"? Tons of posts.
Just like the people ticked off about Jedi armor, Jedi in Storm trooper armor.
Tux got fed up with how soe has been screwing this game up and it is pretty obvious that they have. I am not applauding him for what he did, I am condeming soe for how they handle the players. How can they ban someone from the forums for being honest when the CRM conducts himself like a 12 year old and does the complete opposite of what his job is.
But why is it ok for Tux to act the same way?
Draks JOB is to build up the community, not piss all over them by insulting their concerns and dismissing them as children. I think it is pretty obvious that some people are upset about the amount of content being sold through loot cards and Draks handling of the situation was horrible beyond measure.
The fact that he has not been fired shows how little respect soe has for its playerbase. I'm a paying subscriber and I don't think he should be fired. Surely I'm not the only one.
You think it is funny and accurate for the customer relationship manager to have a flame war with his customers? That is grounds for termination, not approval. Has it ever occured to you why so many people complain about swg and soe as a whole? Think about it.
Yes I do think about it. I'm pretty good at figuring out what the public wants. A certain sector anyway. I've made a fortune off of it.
I also think about the psyche of the posters that after 4 years get so worked up over a computer game. That makes it a purpose in their life to condemn and trash something that many people give no second thought to.
Smedley puts my thoughts out there very directly;
"The SWG community has been voting with it's feet since the NGE came about. Either we end up being right about our ability to turn the ship around and make a game that's BETTER than it was before, or we were wrong and we fail. Either way we were losing subs before the NGE and believe it or not, we are losing them at a slower rate than before. I'm not going to pretend we didn't lose a bunch of subs from this. We did. And I don't think the game is where it needs to be yet to aquire new subs. But it's getting there with each and every publish.
Bold and underlining my emphasis. That last sentence to me sums it up in a nutshell. Over my 12 years of mmorpg playing I have come to learn that truly hardcore gamers are a minority. Unfortunately for SWG the original game design was made for us.
At the end of the day there are a lot of people in this community that wonder why we did this? Why did we "deliberately" try and piss people off. Obviously that wasn't our intent. This is a business and we needed to improve the results of the business. Did we make a mistake? Maybe.. but only time is going to tell on that one. One thing is certain. We made a mistake with how we presented it to the community, and for that I'm sorry. I still think it was a needed thing though. It's not as simple as "you should have just fixed the things we were complaining about". That doesn't address the very real fact that what we had was a hardcore game that wasn't going to attract the mass audience that the Star Wars IP brings to the table."
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
My thing is. If you hate the so called "SOE H8ers"/"NGE Quitters", as u like to call us on the O-boards and here so much, why are you here in the Veteran Refuge forum?
For the same reasons. I just see it differently.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
Hey M8!
Chilly FTW
don't forget your disclaimer so Arc doesn't call a lawyer friend!
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.
What, another fanboi come to straighted us all out? Oh, and I don't need to call my "lawyer friends". Just exactly what would you believe Esquire means and where do you think one would pick up that tag at? Hint? Juris Doctorate?
I still sub. Mainly due to the fact that my wife still plays, I have all 4 traders, and she wants PuPs without buying them for the prices that are charged on Bria. (Screwed up economy). It's just easier to log in every month or 2, make her what she needs than hear her gripe about it. So, your not going to pass off "SWG is in great shape "to me as I see it on a regualr basis. The population, even on Bria, has suffered immensely and that was after I paid SOE $200.00, Dec 07, to transfer off of Kauri for the exact same reason. SWG is basicly down to 1 server that can support the entire gameplay, now. I take it your on Starsider and if you believe SWG is in such great shape because the entire game can be played on 1 server instead of the other 24, you are sadly mistaken. Why is SWG down to one playable server? I'll tell you if you can't figure it out, for ALL the reasons that have been posted here, throughout the years.
Yeah, SWG is in such great shape that LA basicly gave up on SWG in Dec. 05 and started talks with Bioware. SWG is in such great shape that SOE has now pretty much gave up on it and rumored to be working another Star Wars Game. Enjoy your Tween browser based game as that is what you will have left, here very shortly.
I seen in another of your posts that you still believe LA is to blame for all of these large CHANGES. You might want to do some research before posting your opinions as fact. Read the Rubinfield blog and see if you can actualy spin that in favor of SOE.
If you notice, Drak has been muzzled of late. I'm sure his melt-down gained him about as much respect with SOE San Diego that it gained him around here. They haven't fired him simply because they don't care and it really does not matter, anylonger. I wouldn't give a crap, either, about a product that was very soon to be dis-continued but I'm sure you'll find all the PVP your looking for in the Star Wars version of Free Realms.
The big difference between Draak and myself is...he works for SoE and gets paid in part by my subscriptions, I was a volunteer who tried to summarize PLAYER feedback. I stood like a rock for the PLAYERS...not myself, not SoE. I never claimed to speak for ALL players or ALL playstyles...but I promise you...unlike the majority of your Senators, I did try to work with every other aspect as well because we ALL mattered.
Not only that, but you never saw me go in there attacking Draak in PMs or public posts like he attacked me on the forums. Sh!t dude...I was a customer. I PAID them and they gossiped about me on the forums...WTF is wrong with that picture?! I DID criticize Smed, but that was in direct reply to adding "zombies" over the course of TWO Updates to the game, while the GCW was going to get ONE! That IS **edit**ed up dude. Zombies = 2, GCW = 1...really?! You REALLY think zombies are soooooo important to SWG that they warrant 2 Updates to the GCW one?!
PvPers have been shafted since CU mate - most recently they/we were shipped off to the corners of Yavin so they didn't interfere with anyone else! That's fine if you don't care, but that was MY aspect to cover. Obviously you love it and are happy with it...GREAT! Most PvPers aren't.
1st...BF's were NOT what the PvPers wanted. We wanted WORLD PvP, not worthless PvP. Next...BF's are bugged to hell, the "fix" for multi-level bunkers hasn't been added yet, the Ent buff bug AND exploit still exist, que is STILL worthless...but whatever. I hope to God they NEVER fix any of them dude. Not because I have anything against you, but the piss poor way that company is being run needs to stop...only when they run out of $ will they stop though.
But please...continue to play mate. I hope you're happy ever minute you're in-game dude. Buy 10, 20, 30 accounts. Purchase TCG boosters by the box and help fund the changes they should have done years ago. Maybe, if there are enough people like you, SoE will get enough time to fix what I feel they've **edit**ed up.
Tux, I feel for you I really do. I don't have the "behind the scenes" info I just have/had what is here.
Honestly it almost seems like two different people wrote your posts at times. I don't mean that as an insult.
With the rest of the reply I can highly relate. It's what I've been angry about for years. About 12 years as stated in my other post.
I don't love it and I am not happy about it. But when I "voice" my opinion I got flamed to the NGE and back. But I'm not alone. There are others.
I guess it's all a mtter of what is game breaking for the individual.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. Im pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game.