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You play on Ahazi? We set up using mail and tells a mechanic that made any attack on any rebel base have the ability to get 50-100 rebels their to defend within 5-10 minutes. 200+ in 20 minutes. Imps had to do the same or lose. We had the most epic pvp battles that only eve can reproduce occasionally...3,4, sometimes 10 times a week.
At that point we didnt really need a game mechanic that gave us something from the devs for winning. It had taken on a life of it's own and winning itself was more important than anything else. Losing a base was emotional now. so was destroying one. No mechanic could beat emotion. All created by one rebel who got sick of the rebels on AHAzi sucking ass. One player. Just one nobody, became the best, most famous general of the rebels on ahazi ever...using mail and tells. The most realistic gcw I have or will ever experience. All the devs did was add pvp bases. All we needed was them to enhance what we had going, but as usual SOE destroyed it cause we werent doing what they wanted us to do. Probably saw it as a negative on their end.
If you knew how bad the rebs on ahazi were, seeing them take all the planets but one Imp stronghold was a beautiful thing to see. When they started out only holding rori, and that was only because of one guild there. Great times, great community...to bad they were working on the NGE and didnt notice. A shame.
Better than any dev created content any day of the week, and done with in-game mail and tells btw. the devs should use that system to base their new gcw update on. It was beyond doubt the best most realistic pvp in an MMO that I've played.
But that's SOE's problem. A game like SWG, especially pre-nge, has to include the community in development. It can't be used as a stepping stone for devs to try out their own creations to get up the ladder, or to save the day.
Who knows what or why they do the things they do though.
yes. can't remember his name now but the system worked great.
him and some appointed liutenants had the contancts of all the participating rebel guild's leaders and some council members and as soon as an army was needed to protect a given base the system would alert the guild leaders and the guild leaders would in turn pass it on to its members.
i remember this one time in pre-cu i received the alliance call to defend a base in rori. when i arrived it was full of rebels getting buffs from doctors and entertainers at the local med center or cantina, others anxiously dueling and others just chatting. i buffed two or three from my guild and asked what all the fuss was about, because there were no imps in sight i could see.
then someone pointed at a player sitting on a bantha in the middle of the rebels and said: "that might be a clue". it turned out to be a dark jedi knight. he just sat there staring at the rebs but everyone was expecting his friends to arrive, which they never did eventually and we all scattered shortly after. still, it was, to me, what made swg really special.
then there was the overnight watch. ah those were fun (although helios would disagree). our rebel city on talus was located close to what on those days was the largest if not most respected imperial guild on ahazi (SHDWS). They harrassed our bases all day long and some of us stayed overnight on a camp fire (ya we just sat there) to try and repel any invaders who might show up at those odd hours. the conversations were epic, and met some very interesting individuals during those times.
Um, you actually controlled the planet. You know, in an immersive, living in the StarWars universe way. Your bases dominated the landscape. Rebels trying to go to and from their own cities were blasted off their vehicles by the turrets you set up, until they could remove your presence by force. And when they tried, Imps from all over the galaxy would come and hand them their asses with great enthusiasm.
Also, faction points, ranks and rewards added a lot to the game. They changed the way you interacted with NPC's, gave you access to special gear, factional swag, and gave you the ability to call and command your own factional troops for starters.
As a "day after launch day" vet (launch day crashed the game remember?) you should know all of this.
and building, keeping and destroying player bases or killing factional npc forces meant npc troops spawned on the main planetary cities. these attacked overts and continiously scanned players for spices and sliced weapons. keep in mind that back in the day it was more than a nuisance to have coronet full of npcs of the opposing faction because, unlike nowadays, dieing back then meant a lot of decay, wounds and BF; and die you would unless you were buffed.
i remember back in the day soe would put up on their forums a weekly table of all the planets with their corresponding status, and faction control points.
Well, i understand what Gutboy was saying. The rewards were pretty meaningless in the big picture. Nothing really worth anything was given as a reward. And what was given was insignificant to the point to where you didn't pvp just to obtain those rewards. Only for bragging rights maybe. There wasn't really a game mechanic that rewarded the winners in a way you would think winning a war or battle would. Cosmetic really. Planetary control was rather useless.
So he's both right and wrong i guess. Right in that SOE never gave any attention to it, wrong for not acknowledging what was actually going on in game, But what the players did themselves, in spite of SOE, was truly iconic and starwarsy in every sense. Anyone who played from launch would know that I think.
But devs want to sell that content to players for extra, not have players create their own i guess. Job security. A gcw re-write is months of work needed, followed by months of tweaking...by a team of people. Something that goes off the system I described earlier is a couple weekends worth every now and then. IMO of coarse, I have no idea really.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
Um, you actually controlled the planet. You know, in an immersive, living in the StarWars universe way. Your bases dominated the landscape. Rebels trying to go to and from their own cities were blasted off their vehicles by the turrets you set up, until they could remove your presence by force. And when they tried, Imps from all over the galaxy would come and hand them their asses with great enthusiasm.
Also, faction points, ranks and rewards added a lot to the game. They changed the way you interacted with NPC's, gave you access to special gear, factional swag, and gave you the ability to call and command your own factional troops for starters.
As a "day after launch day" vet (launch day crashed the game remember?) you should know all of this.
and building, keeping and destroying player bases or killing factional npc forces meant npc troops spawned on the main planetary cities. these attacked overts and continiously scanned players for spices and sliced weapons. keep in mind that back in the day it was more than a nuisance to have coronet full of npcs of the opposing faction because, unlike nowadays, dieing back then meant a lot of decay, wounds and BF; and die you would unless you were buffed.
i remember back in the day soe would put up on their forums a weekly table of all the planets with their corresponding status, and faction control points.
Well, i understand what Gutboy was saying. The rewards were pretty meaningless in the big picture. Nothing really worth anything was given as a reward. And what was given was insignificant to the point to where you didn't pvp just to obtain those rewards. Only for bragging rights maybe. There wasn't really a game mechanic that rewarded the winners in a way you would think winning a war or battle would. Cosmetic really. Planetary control was rather useless.
So he's both right and wrong i guess. Right in that SOE never gave any attention to it, wrong for not acknowledging what was actually going on in game, But what the players did themselves, in spite of SOE, was truly iconic and starwarsy in every sense. Anyone who played from launch would know that I think.
But devs want to sell that content to players for extra, not have players create their own i guess. Job security. A gcw re-write is months of work needed, followed by months of tweaking...by a team of people. Something that goes off the system I described earlier is a couple weekends worth every now and then. IMO of coarse, I have no idea really.
on the other hand, i think that was the beauty of it.
the pre-cu system encouraged players to seek a goal which benefited a community, (albeit some may think of it as not worthy enough) not the individual. as such, people felt excited they were putting in the effort to make a difference in the galaxy together with other players, their faction and their friends. no personal rewards were needed since everything was obtained via crafters.
the nge, on the other hand, brought that "me, me, me" mentality were if there is no personal gain on the battle in terms of loot or rewards, then its "insignificant". that is precisely the kind of mentality that made the whole concept of being a rebel or an imperial meaningless.
granted the gcw could have been made much better back in the day to create an even bigger impact, but unfortunatelly the efforts went onto the nge.
My "important point if view"? Iheamylap, I came in here to tell people the truth and defend myself from the lies spread by Draakull, nothing more (points at thread title). While he was free to post what he wanted, PM whoever asked and outright slander me on the forums, I was unable to even reply.
While some Senators are there to "help", far too many have their own personal agendas mate and some just enjoy feeling "better than you" - something that's just not helpful when the game is floundering as it is. SoE has made nothing but poor business decisions for the last 2 years and it's taken the game from "worth while" to "worthless" IMO. The damage is unlikely to be reversed too. It's just too little, too late. As I said, even Lucas Arts appears to have given up on SWG Iheamylap...why else would they allow Bioware to release a directly competing MMO with the Star Wars name?
I'm sorry if my using the term "gay" offended truly gay readers...I don't make it a habit to intentionally offend people. From now on, I'll use the non-offensive spelling of "ghey" when I refer to the Ewok Love Fest.
FYI: One of my best friends is "truly gay"...even he would find the Ewok Love Fest EXTREMELY ghey.
PS...this is the second time you've referred to me as "emotional". While I'm pleased I come off as "caring", I can assure you that I'm far less "emotional" than you may read. Keep in mind that this is text...it's nearly impossible to convey emotion in text correctly.
I no longer have access to the post, but while the whole Spy fiasco was going on, I'm fairly certain we (Senators) were told we should keep our noses out of other peoples aspects?! And if I'm not mistaken, it was Vincent himself who posted that?!
And please...zombies and "ghey" fests were not Vincent's doing - I've NEVER implied that. As you said, the fault lies entirely with Dotanuki (Producer), Rich (SoE) and Linda (SoE), as they were the ones calling the shots (or so I've been told). Now if Teesquared goes through with it, I think it's safe to lump him in there as well. No matter what previous commitments Dotanuki had, Tee is the producer now and it's his ship to sink. Either he's a leader or he's not.
Um, you actually controlled the planet. You know, in an immersive, living in the StarWars universe way. Your bases dominated the landscape. Rebels trying to go to and from their own cities were blasted off their vehicles by the turrets you set up, until they could remove your presence by force. And when they tried, Imps from all over the galaxy would come and hand them their asses with great enthusiasm.
Also, faction points, ranks and rewards added a lot to the game. They changed the way you interacted with NPC's, gave you access to special gear, factional swag, and gave you the ability to call and command your own factional troops for starters.
As a "day after launch day" vet (launch day crashed the game remember?) you should know all of this.
and building, keeping and destroying player bases or killing factional npc forces meant npc troops spawned on the main planetary cities. these attacked overts and continiously scanned players for spices and sliced weapons. keep in mind that back in the day it was more than a nuisance to have coronet full of npcs of the opposing faction because, unlike nowadays, dieing back then meant a lot of decay, wounds and BF; and die you would unless you were buffed.
i remember back in the day soe would put up on their forums a weekly table of all the planets with their corresponding status, and faction control points.
Well, i understand what Gutboy was saying. The rewards were pretty meaningless in the big picture. Nothing really worth anything was given as a reward. And what was given was insignificant to the point to where you didn't pvp just to obtain those rewards. Only for bragging rights maybe. There wasn't really a game mechanic that rewarded the winners in a way you would think winning a war or battle would. Cosmetic really. Planetary control was rather useless.
So he's both right and wrong i guess. Right in that SOE never gave any attention to it, wrong for not acknowledging what was actually going on in game, But what the players did themselves, in spite of SOE, was truly iconic and starwarsy in every sense. Anyone who played from launch would know that I think.
But devs want to sell that content to players for extra, not have players create their own i guess. Job security. A gcw re-write is months of work needed, followed by months of tweaking...by a team of people. Something that goes off the system I described earlier is a couple weekends worth every now and then. IMO of coarse, I have no idea really.
on the other hand, i think that was the beauty of it.
the pre-cu system encouraged players to seek a goal which benefited a community, (albeit some may think of it as not worthy enough) not the individual. as such, people felt excited they were putting in the effort to make a difference in the galaxy together with other players, their faction and their friends. no personal rewards were needed since everything was obtained via crafters.
the nge, on the other hand, brought that "me, me, me" mentality were if there is no personal gain on the battle in terms of loot or rewards, then its "insignificant". that is precisely the kind of mentality that made the whole concept of being a rebel or an imperial meaningless.
granted the gcw could have been made much better back in the day to create an even bigger impact, but unfortunatelly the efforts went onto the nge.
Oh i totally agree that was the beauty in the gcw we had. Unfortunately, One would have to seek it out, especially new players, and soloers. You'd have to know where to go, and where and when the hotspots got active. And your cities would lose bases because you couldnt get people together to defend, becuase it didnt really matter anyway. So for the people who enjoyed the game casually, it was a waste of time sort of. Why waste an hour of their night? It wasnt as accessable as it should have been.
What we created on AHAzi was changing all that. We werre able to get the word out to sooo many people so quickly, all you had to do is be on someones friends list, or be around other people to find out. you didnt have to sit around a wait or plan. You got a message and it was time to fight. It was time to go "on duty". Even if you didnt participate, you knew what battle everyone was talking about later, and it gave you a sense of importance just to get invited. You actually felt like you were part of a rebellion. Even selling crafted items felt like it was for the cause even if you didnt fight. It's hard to explain to those who didnt experience it.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
to Tux: (I hate quote pyramids)
Well, sorry if I am interpreting you going on a rant about Vincent being a cross dressor of sorts as a bit emotional.
Oh, and, besides that I don't think its far off calling you *emotional* Everyone who has seen your posts knows you have a certain passion, thats probably one reason you were selected as Rebel senator. Passion is an emotional quality. I just don't like the bitter personal-attacking emotion I'm seeing here.
I know that in these forums you probably can't expect to get something horribly constructive done, but I still don't think you need to launch into personal attacks to get your post across. Atleast, not publically, it only belittles you and your opinion.
So, don't get me wrong, I am not saying you some emotional freak. I am just saying that personal attacks aren't given by someone who isn't succumbing (speling?) to some sort of emotion (anger, frustration, annoyance). That, and like I said, you have always come across as passionate about your feelings concerning gameplay and GCW and content, etc (and your feelings against some things like, holiday events that are too "ghey" and ZOMBIESATTACK).
I no longer have access to the post, but while the whole Spy fiasco was going on, I'm fairly certain we (Senators) were told we should keep our noses out of other peoples aspects?! And if I'm not mistaken, it was Vincent himself who posted that?!
And please...zombies and "ghey" fests were not Vincent's doing - I've NEVER implied that. As you said, the fault lies entirely with Dotanuki (Producer), Rich (SoE) and Linda (SoE), as they were the ones calling the shots (or so I've been told). Now if Teesquared goes through with it, I think it's safe to lump him in there as well. No matter what previous commitments Dotanuki had, Tee is the producer now and it's his ship to sink. Either he's a leader or he's not.
That was Elias, and I hardly think he was the greater representation of SOE. In fact, I think if there ever was a disgrace for a CRM, it was him (not Drak as some folks want to say...IMO). Elias almost dispanded the Senate because we all bickerred about spy balance. Well, not all fo us, but i know I was one of them including Anxiety.
I don't think Tee will have much choice but to go through with the Zombie crap. Otherwise, they will have had hours of paid development and art and animation time they will have to scrap. Most businesses do not like to do that.....(nvm that they already did when the NGE hit but we won't go there). So, if the Zombie publishes pass, I wouldn't hold it solely against Tee. He was given the foul task and has to finish it.
Its HOW he does it and then how he gets the GCW update cranking, as well as other updates along the way, that matters. To me atleast.
My "important point if view"? Iheamylap, I came in here to tell people the truth and defend myself from the lies spread by Draakull, nothing more (points at thread title). While he was free to post what he wanted, PM whoever asked and outright slander me on the forums, I was unable to even reply.
While some Senators are there to "help", far too many have their own personal agendas mate and some just enjoy feeling "better than you" - something that's just not helpful when the game is floundering as it is. SoE has made nothing but poor business decisions for the last 2 years and it's taken the game from "worth while" to "worthless" IMO. The damage is unlikely to be reversed too. It's just too little, too late. As I said, even Lucas Arts appears to have given up on SWG Iheamylap...why else would they allow Bioware to release a directly competing MMO with the Star Wars name?
I'm sorry if my using the term "gay" offended truly gay readers...I don't make it a habit to intentionally offend people. From now on, I'll use the non-offensive spelling of "ghey" when I refer to the Ewok Love Fest.
FYI: One of my best friends is "truly gay"...even he would find the Ewok Love Fest EXTREMELY ghey.
PS...this is the second time you've referred to me as "emotional". While I'm pleased I come off as "caring", I can assure you that I'm far less "emotional" than you may read. Keep in mind that this is text...it's nearly impossible to convey emotion in text correctly.
Iheamylap,
Welcome to the "refuge" forum. A place where "vets" can discuss the old game(s) (there has been so many now) and the management/mis-management of SOE. In reading TUX's post, I would assume that he is doing just that, in the confines of his personal opinions. After all, he's not a senator, anylonger and can represent just himself and his views, now.
You acknowledge that TUX was done wrong by SOE. My question would be, when do you think it will be your turn, or Vincents, or any1 in the senate for that matter? This is just another, in a long line of precidents set by SOE and if you actualy believe TUX 's "treatment" was a one-time, case only, happening, I'm afraid your the one that may not be faceing reality, here. Haven't there been quite a few senators that have been treated pooly by SOE and their employees? (not to even mention their customers/playerbase)
What will you do when SOE does something that you feel you have to speak out about and suddenly all this is turned on you? Will you become excessively negative, also?
In my years in SWG, I have only found a few constants.
1. If you like the game, today, SOE Austin will find a way for you not to like it.
2. There will be less subs than there were before the CHANGE.
3. These forums will gain new voices to add to the "old" voices, saying just about the same thing, only in a new context.
Sooner or later, we all will become "disgruntled vets".
I no longer have access to the post, but while the whole Spy fiasco was going on, I'm fairly certain we (Senators) were told we should keep our noses out of other peoples aspects?! And if I'm not mistaken, it was Vincent himself who posted that?!
And please...zombies and "ghey" fests were not Vincent's doing - I've NEVER implied that. As you said, the fault lies entirely with Dotanuki (Producer), Rich (SoE) and Linda (SoE), as they were the ones calling the shots (or so I've been told). Now if Teesquared goes through with it, I think it's safe to lump him in there as well. No matter what previous commitments Dotanuki had, Tee is the producer now and it's his ship to sink. Either he's a leader or he's not.
That was Elias, and I hardly think he was the greater representation of SOE. In fact, I think if there ever was a disgrace for a CRM, it was him (not Drak as some folks want to say...IMO). Elias almost dispanded the Senate because we all bickerred about spy balance. Well, not all fo us, but i know I was one of them including Anxiety.
I don't think Tee will have much choice but to go through with the Zombie crap. Otherwise, they will have had hours of paid development and art and animation time they will have to scrap. Most businesses do not like to do that.....(nvm that they already did when the NGE hit but we won't go there). So, if the Zombie publishes pass, I wouldn't hold it solely against Tee. He was given the foul task and has to finish it.
Its HOW he does it and then how he gets the GCW update cranking, as well as other updates along the way, that matters. To me atleast.
So the idea is to accept whatever crap is tossed your way and be thankful that it wasn't worse? That is precisely the type of thinking that the folks at SOE want for the 'senate'. The main problem with the 'senate' is the willingness of SOE's asskissers to legitimize the idea that the playerbase shouldn't complain about things that the dev team had decided to do.
It isn't more constructive to accept horrible ideas the folks at SOE have decided they are going to do, than to let them know that those things are a bad idea, even if they have already spent time working on them. The 'senate' is intended to be an enabler of the dev team's pathetically bad ideas, and sadly, the majority of the 'senators', you and Vincent included are more than willing to take on that role, in exchange for some false sense of 'specialness' you receive by having a private forum to post on on the OBoards. You aren't doing the game, the dev team, or, most importantly the player, any favors by being a cheerleading squad for bad ideas.
I guess it doesn't matter much, since the game is in its dying days. I wouldn't think you would be proud of the fact that you were an enabler on making those last days much shorter than they had to be, but I may be wrong.
My "important point if view"? Iheamylap, I came in here to tell people the truth and defend myself from the lies spread by Draakull, nothing more (points at thread title). While he was free to post what he wanted, PM whoever asked and outright slander me on the forums, I was unable to even reply.
While some Senators are there to "help", far too many have their own personal agendas mate and some just enjoy feeling "better than you" - something that's just not helpful when the game is floundering as it is. SoE has made nothing but poor business decisions for the last 2 years and it's taken the game from "worth while" to "worthless" IMO. The damage is unlikely to be reversed too. It's just too little, too late. As I said, even Lucas Arts appears to have given up on SWG Iheamylap...why else would they allow Bioware to release a directly competing MMO with the Star Wars name?
I'm sorry if my using the term "gay" offended truly gay readers...I don't make it a habit to intentionally offend people. From now on, I'll use the non-offensive spelling of "ghey" when I refer to the Ewok Love Fest.
FYI: One of my best friends is "truly gay"...even he would find the Ewok Love Fest EXTREMELY ghey.
PS...this is the second time you've referred to me as "emotional". While I'm pleased I come off as "caring", I can assure you that I'm far less "emotional" than you may read. Keep in mind that this is text...it's nearly impossible to convey emotion in text correctly.
Iheamylap,
Welcome to the "refuge" forum. A place where "vets" can discuss the old game(s) (there has been so many now) and the management/mis-management of SOE. In reading TUX's post, I would assume that he is doing just that, in the confines of his personal opinions. After all, he's not a senator, anylonger and can represent just himself and his views, now.
You acknowledge that TUX was done wrong by SOE. My question would be, when do you think it will be your turn, or Vincents, or any1 in the senate for that matter? This is just another, in a long line of precidents set by SOE and if you actualy believe TUX 's "treatment" was a one-time, case only, happening, I'm afraid your the one that may not be faceing reality, here. Haven't there been quite a few senators that have been treated pooly by SOE and their employees? (not to even mention their customers/playerbase)
What will you do when SOE does something that you feel you have to speak out about and suddenly all this is turned on you? Will you become excessively negative, also?
In my years in SWG, I have only found a few constants.
1. If you like the game, today, SOE Austin will find a way for you not to like it.
2. There will be less subs than there were before the CHANGE.
3. These forums will gain new voices to add to the "old" voices, saying just about the same thing, only in a new context.
Sooner or later, we all will become "disgruntled vets".
What is all that in exchange for an orange username and access to a useless private forum? Isn't being 'special' more important than having a game that is fun to play?
This is so true.
QFE
Like I said earlier. Someone gets upset with SOE for good cause and the community turns their back to them. It happens over and over and over.... Tux will not be the last one this happens to, because soe really doesn't care. I bet if you asked tux a month ago if he ever though this would happen to him, his answer would be no.
Even his former senators admit soe did him wrong. Will you ever see something about that come up in a top 5 list? No, because soe already made it clear that anyone else speaking up will also get the axe.
Those still 'working within the system' will find a way to tuck their tails between their legs and move on. Maybe labeling tux something like emotional to rationalize why he is gone or just ignoring the situation all together. People want their special positions to feel good about what they are doing. The senate is nothing more than a buffer area for the devs between the players. Like I said earlier, soe loves to pit the players against each other so they are not in the direct line of fire.
If anyone really believes that the senate was set up to do good, lets see your top 5 lists and how often they are resolved in patches. Something tells me that there will be lists that have had items on the top 5 for years.
That's just not true. If Teesquared is the Producer, HE calls the shots. We've seen plenty of other Producers pull the plug on numerous "updates" that the previous Producer had committed to.
Investment or not...the game is near dead Iheamylap...they don't have TIME to add in Dotanuki's crap...not if they want to save the game. Any Producer should understand their first duty is to deliver something that will INCREASE their playerbase..."zombies" are NOT that addition. And FFS...this is STAR WARS!!! My kids could come up with something more appropriate than mother **edit**ing "zombies".
If I were the Producer, I'd halt ALL development and reevaluate what the hell the priority is. No customers = no job and keeping my job would be my TOP priority. It's much better to scrap stupid ideas and the time needed to complete them than it is to develop it just because you have invested some resources in it.
The sad reality is, game development takes a LOT of time...6-months from concept to development usually...time that SoE is squandering away with "zombies", Galactic Moon Festival, Storyteller Updates (aka Chronicles), the worthless Engineer Update that pissed off the few remaining Engineers, the broken and exploited Battle Grounds they dumped in...Teesquared will NEVER get a chance to implement HIS ideas if he doesn't take control NOW! Nothing in the next 4 months will bring players back...nothing in the last 18 months has retained players...How long do you honestly think they can limp along like this Iheamylap?
PS...I love you guys on this forum
(and no, that was not some emo reply nor is it meant to be even a slightly ghey remark)
+1
/popcorn
I have nothing to add, really, but like Divious said this thread is epic.
There's a sucker born every minute. - P.T. Barnum
SWG was a great game and for the last 4 years has declined into the worst POS out there. People just need to wise up let it go and move on to something else make new friends maybe run into some old ones. Truth is SOE is known for this kind of move and tux was a pretty good guy he just was one who stayed with a game he hated and in the end blew up.
I do not blame the guy I have gone back to SWG 3 times over the years and each time I go back I say to myself "Oh yeah this is why I quit the game" Truth is i have played just about every MMO I could and never found fun in any game like I did Old SWG but its like a member of your family dieing once they are gone you just got to move on and remember the good times.
That's just not true. If Teesquared is the Producer, HE calls the shots. We've seen plenty of other Producers pull the plug on numerous "updates" that the previous Producer had committed to.
Investment or not...the game is near dead Iheamylap...they don't have TIME to add in Dotanuki's crap...not if they want to save the game. Any Producer should understand their first duty is to deliver something that will INCREASE their playerbase..."zombies" are NOT that addition. And FFS...this is STAR WARS!!! My kids could come up with something more appropriate than mother **edit**ing "zombies".
If I were the Producer, I'd halt ALL development and reevaluate what the hell the priority is. No customers = no job and keeping my job would be my TOP priority. It's much better to scrap stupid ideas and the time needed to complete them than it is to develop it just because you have invested some resources in it.
The sad reality is, game development takes a LOT of time...6-months from concept to development usually...time that SoE is squandering away with "zombies", Galactic Moon Festival, Storyteller Updates (aka Chronicles), the worthless Engineer Update that pissed off the few remaining Engineers, the broken and exploited Battle Grounds they dumped in...Teesquared will NEVER get a chance to implement HIS ideas if he doesn't take control NOW! Nothing in the next 4 months will bring players back...nothing in the last 18 months has retained players...How long do you honestly think they can limp along like this Iheamylap?
PS...I love you guys on this forum
(and no, that was not some emo reply nor is it meant to be even a slightly ghey remark)
As far as i can tell the player has never mattered to $OE . I know this as an ex creature handler.
Update after update just pushed live, even with the out cry's of the bugs that needed fixing, and still do in some cases.
By the way welcome fellow disgruntled vet!
Uhm, I just added to your definition of the lag problem that there are steps we can ask for to fix the damage done by the NGE. If it wasn't clear enough in my post, I'll just repeat it:
I agree with you, but pointed out that the combat speed isn't the only problem. Server structure is a problem too.
Uhm, I just added to your definition of the lag problem that there are steps we can ask for to fix the damage done by the NGE. If it wasn't clear enough in my post, I'll just repeat it:
I agree with you, but pointed out that the combat speed isn't the only problem. Server structure is a problem too.
The speeding up of the game engine is the core cause of all of these problems. There is no fix-it guide you can write that will correct that or explain it away. Advising soe not to implement gameplay features in the open world will not fix that.
Why this isn't a top priority is simply amazing. It would solve so many problems, but somehow everyone wants to work on fixing it some other way. How many years do you have to put up with band aids before you call for real action?
You actually advocate restricting players access to the world as a result as if that is somehow an acceptable solution. Read that again, you want to remove players ability to enjoy the world as a result of soe screwing up the game engine. That is not advocating players wishes. That is the complete opposite of what you are assigned to do as a player representative.
Uhm, I just added to your definition of the lag problem that there are steps we can ask for to fix the damage done by the NGE. If it wasn't clear enough in my post, I'll just repeat it:
I agree with you, but pointed out that the combat speed isn't the only problem. Server structure is a problem too.
Do you work for SOE? Are you a developer there?
I guess not, so why do you spend time figuring out HOW to fix the lag?
Just ask them to fix it; I'm sure they know better what to do. At least they should.
Or, is this the second best suggestion, because speaking of changing the NGE is forbidden?
If so, you have already given up, it will just take some more time until you realize it.
They would have fixed it already if they could...the problem is they cannot. The NGE sped up combat. The uderlying system was built to support 1 action a second. Now it is multiplied several times then you have to add on top the syncing of other avatars into the equation at the same speed.
Poor Development....Poor Testing....Poor Quality Assurance...Poor Implementation.../fail
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Do you work for SOE? Are you a developer there?
I guess not, so why do you spend time figuring out HOW to fix the lag?
Just ask them to fix it; I'm sure they know better what to do. At least they should.
Or, is this the second best suggestion, because speaking of changing the NGE is forbidden?
If so, you have already given up, it will just take some more time until you realize it.
Vincent is having a rough day I think...
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/posts/list.m?start=45&topic_id=985521 (page 4 he really starts to take some hits)
Vincent, as your buddy, let me suggest you step back for a bit...you clearly would much rather appease and make excuses for SoE rather than represent the players like you are supposed to do. You simply don't have the power you try to look like you have mate...stop pretending.
My "important point if view"? Iheamylap, I came in here to tell people the truth and defend myself from the lies spread by Draakull, nothing more (points at thread title). While he was free to post what he wanted, PM whoever asked and outright slander me on the forums, I was unable to even reply.
While some Senators are there to "help", far too many have their own personal agendas mate and some just enjoy feeling "better than you" - something that's just not helpful when the game is floundering as it is. SoE has made nothing but poor business decisions for the last 2 years and it's taken the game from "worth while" to "worthless" IMO. The damage is unlikely to be reversed too. It's just too little, too late. As I said, even Lucas Arts appears to have given up on SWG Iheamylap...why else would they allow Bioware to release a directly competing MMO with the Star Wars name?
I'm sorry if my using the term "gay" offended truly gay readers...I don't make it a habit to intentionally offend people. From now on, I'll use the non-offensive spelling of "ghey" when I refer to the Ewok Love Fest.
FYI: One of my best friends is "truly gay"...even he would find the Ewok Love Fest EXTREMELY ghey.
PS...this is the second time you've referred to me as "emotional". While I'm pleased I come off as "caring", I can assure you that I'm far less "emotional" than you may read. Keep in mind that this is text...it's nearly impossible to convey emotion in text correctly.
Iheamylap,
Welcome to the "refuge" forum. A place where "vets" can discuss the old game(s) (there has been so many now) and the management/mis-management of SOE. In reading TUX's post, I would assume that he is doing just that, in the confines of his personal opinions. After all, he's not a senator, anylonger and can represent just himself and his views, now.
You acknowledge that TUX was done wrong by SOE. My question would be, when do you think it will be your turn, or Vincents, or any1 in the senate for that matter? This is just another, in a long line of precidents set by SOE and if you actualy believe TUX 's "treatment" was a one-time, case only, happening, I'm afraid your the one that may not be faceing reality, here. Haven't there been quite a few senators that have been treated pooly by SOE and their employees? (not to even mention their customers/playerbase)
What will you do when SOE does something that you feel you have to speak out about and suddenly all this is turned on you? Will you become excessively negative, also?
In my years in SWG, I have only found a few constants.
1. If you like the game, today, SOE Austin will find a way for you not to like it.
2. There will be less subs than there were before the CHANGE.
3. These forums will gain new voices to add to the "old" voices, saying just about the same thing, only in a new context.
Sooner or later, we all will become "disgruntled vets".
lol Thanks for the reply =]
I never said I was just peachy with anything =] I can't be the smuggler senator with out being constantly frustrated. Ask one of my fellow Smugglers Tralita_tsunami and he'll tell you we both agree that, despire surface apperances, our class is broken, boring, and rediculous.
However, when I've let my frustrations let me rant and rave in the past, it didn't get me jack. I actively make myself step back, take a few moments, and then think how I can *play the game* with the developers to hope and get SOMETHING through to their limited view and benefit Smugglers as a whole. Heck, so far, I have very little hope that they will even push through any of my desired fixes before my term ends...but It won't serve me or other smugglers well enough fo rme to go on yelling at people....even if I want to.
So, my point? I don't discount that Tux has a right to be frustrated or that any and all vets do. Or, that active players themselves, like me, don't have the right to be frustrated. I just feel that, whether here or elsewhere, we shouldn't resort to personal attacks if we are trying to get a point across. Otherwise, our point will probably not be heard.
Tux, like many others, has a good handle and view on whats wrong with SOE at the moment, but whether he wants to admit it or not, he messedup and lost his position in the Forums that gave him, probably, the best chance of getting someone to hear his opinion. Same with Anxiety. I refuse to do that personally. Getting dropped from my Senate position would do absoultely nothing for the smuggler community. I play by the rules on the surface so I can get something done, even if its small. If not, oh well, I damn tried atleast.
That's just not true. If Teesquared is the Producer, HE calls the shots. We've seen plenty of other Producers pull the plug on numerous "updates" that the previous Producer had committed to.
Investment or not...the game is near dead Iheamylap...they don't have TIME to add in Dotanuki's crap...not if they want to save the game. Any Producer should understand their first duty is to deliver something that will INCREASE their playerbase..."zombies" are NOT that addition. And FFS...this is STAR WARS!!! My kids could come up with something more appropriate than mother **edit**ing "zombies".
If I were the Producer, I'd halt ALL development and reevaluate what the hell the priority is. No customers = no job and keeping my job would be my TOP priority. It's much better to scrap stupid ideas and the time needed to complete them than it is to develop it just because you have invested some resources in it.
The sad reality is, game development takes a LOT of time...6-months from concept to development usually...time that SoE is squandering away with "zombies", Galactic Moon Festival, Storyteller Updates (aka Chronicles), the worthless Engineer Update that pissed off the few remaining Engineers, the broken and exploited Battle Grounds they dumped in...Teesquared will NEVER get a chance to implement HIS ideas if he doesn't take control NOW! Nothing in the next 4 months will bring players back...nothing in the last 18 months has retained players...How long do you honestly think they can limp along like this Iheamylap?
PS...I love you guys on this forum
(and no, that was not some emo reply nor is it meant to be even a slightly ghey remark)
I agree with you that Zombie crap isn't what they need to push. I also have always agreed that the GCW needed the better focus. But, I feel that, its not as easy as we feel that "Teesquared needs to just let it go, whipe it clean and focus on something better." Why? Because, from observing previous producers, I don't think he has the full *power* we think he should have.
Oh sure, I think they have enough power to get ideas into motion...but once *valuable* and limited production time is spent, I have a feeling its like working against a landslide to get something changed. They made the decision to invest two updates on the Zombie expansion, and apparently already started working on it...therefore, I suspect thats a LOT of planned production time. Teesquared might have the senority and respect to get his voice heard....but do you think he'll really want to chance it?
Personally, I hope he does. I hope he takes a stand. He already gave me positive feedback when I mentioend to him that they needed to listen to Anxiety's ideas and put Top 5's into regular development time. Currently, Top 5's and bugs/fixes are done *if there is extra time*....which means...barely ever. Anxiety's point was we needed secure dev time for fixes/bugs like EvE online. Tee though it was a good idea, but even he said *I have to bring it up to Loche*.......He has a good idea, but he can't just make things happen with out anyone else backing him up.
I know I'm coming across as Mr. Optimism and Mr. Rose Colored Glasses. Just trust me when I say thats not all I am. Its just that, from my experience in game and in life, sometimes you have to put on a certain professional image and behavior to try and get what you want done. I wouldn't have accomplished a quarter of the things with previous RL organizations I have been leading/involved in if I gave into the frustratiosn I felt with the higher institutions involved.
Not trying to stir anything up here or anything guys , just a question..
What are the upgrades coming to the GCW?