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Cambridge Police Officers Support Crowley Against Racist Slander
gnomexxx
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Video <click> --- Cambridge cops support Crowley
CNN's Don Lemon speaks with several Cambridge police officers who pledge their support for Sgt. Crowley.
Now who owes whom an apology? I think Obama and Gates should be kissing up to this fine officer, his family, and his force for putting them all through a bunch of unwarranted crap!
Any bets on whether or not they'll step off of their self righteous pedestals to fulfill that decent obligation? I'm betting no.
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Give me a break, that idiot Crowley could have walked away after he realized that he was in the Dr.'s house. Then none of this would have heppened. Sounds like just another dickhead white cop to me.
Did Gates overreact? Probably.
Did Crowley overreact? Definitely.
Crowley knew that Gates was in his own home, there was no break-in. The 911 caller stated that the men had suitcases and possibly lived at that residence. Crowley called in the identity of Gates. Crowley then arrested gates for disturbing the peace.
It's an obvious case of:
Give me a break, that idiot Crowley could have walked away after he realized that he was in the Dr.'s house. Then none of this would have heppened. Sounds like just another dickhead white cop to me.
The black officer that was with him said he did not act wrong.
I guess the black officers are dickheaded white cops too? How'd they pull that off?
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Police and justice system is a joke and thats why I will always take matters into my own hands in future.
My friend got attacked infront of me with several people around and he hit his head on the ground and was bleeding from his ear. I grabbed the guy and held him down until the police came and he got arrested and admitted it. My friend was out cold for so long and had such low blood pressure we thought he was gonna die. When he eventually came around just kept repeating the same thing over and over. He's fine now but he coulda easily died. The guy in court just got a slap on the wrist even though he's done this before. I spoke to the police officer and they said it takes my friend to die for this to be taken seriously and even then he probably wouldn't get life.
Next time I'll kick the shit outta that person instead of calling the police.
The police don't care and most of them treat their job as a joke. I've seen police batter people until they're out cold just because they wanted to sit up or move in a more comfortable position rather than one of them stepping on the guys neck.
If you defend yourself against a corrupt police force, then you're the one in the wrong. I wish people would stop being pussies and take the fight to the police and kick the goverment outta power.
lol; good to see anecdotal evidence is good enough for you!
What are you; a cave man? Violence fix problem.. ugg ugg?
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
In a certain sense, it is a sign that we are less of a racist society when we find cops sticking with cops rather than blacks sticking with blacks.
However I truly feel that while both gates and crowley bahaved badly -- gates was an angry old man being nasty in the privacy of his own home, and Crowley was a power-abuser who arrested a guy simply for "mouthing off" to him. That was incredibly stupid and an abuse of power.
I don't think race figured into it at all. It was a cop demanding respect and arresting a man for not respecting him, which violates the fourth amendment. There was no warrant, no probable cause, no hot pursuit, no disorderly conduct (not in one's own home) so Crowley had no grounds.
However, when Obama says both sides overreacted he is absolutely right. he still would have been smarter to just keep his mouth shut, So, we have three people who acted stupidly in my opinion, but only ONE person whose job it was not to act stupidly in this context. That person is Officer Crowley.
EDIT: Obama said BOTH sides overreacted after he initially only said the police acted stupidly (that was Obama acting stupidly as well).
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The whole thing between Crowley and Gates are things that probably happen often on the streets. Both of them overreacted, both of them should've gone out for a drink afterwards. But that's not the surprising part of this whole thing.
The ridiculous part is our commander in chief calling the police out saying he acted "stupidly" without knowing the facts and the whole story. Unfortunately he's been doing that a tad too often lately, such as giving a primetime speech about a healthcare bill that he admitted to not have read or understood.
This issue should not have made it to the national stage.
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lol; good to see anecdotal evidence is good enough for you!
What are you; a cave man? Violence fix problem.. ugg ugg?
When it happens infront of your eyes and the person admits with several people around is pretty great evidence to me.
lol; good to see anecdotal evidence is good enough for you!
What are you; a cave man? Violence fix problem.. ugg ugg?
When it happens infront of your eyes and the person admits with several people around is pretty great evidence to me.
But it is still anecdotal. And that is not much of a basis to make a sweeping judgment on.
The overwhelming majority of police officers go to work and do their jobs with dignity and respect each day. They are paid hardly anything to put up with more crap than most of us would have the patience for. And nearly every one of them do it because they feel a social and moral obligation.
If you think that isn't true then walk up to some of them and ask. Get to know them instead of being stand offish. There is a person behind that badge.
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I guess police reports mean nothing now ? I guess the proper thing to do from now on is whenever a policemen is responding to a call and upon getting there ,if the people performing the activity are black to not intervene because of the of it always being a racial incident.It is a no win situation for white police officers ,regardless of the abundance of facts.I doubt even a camera and mic would help at this point,if the black community will always support their own against the police.I guess the best thing to do is for the Police not to respond anymore in these cases
Is it fair to say now that black poeple feel so much resentment from years past abuse by the police now that they cant look at situation today with clear colored lenses at facts when a white policeman confronts a minority?
Maybe an all minorty law enforcement on a national level would be a solution to cement the integrity of an encounter ? Would that help ?
You fail to understand the justice system.
The cops do the bidding of law makers.
It's the law makers who make calls on this, then to judges.
It's not the officer's jobs to create laws, only stand by them.
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In the case of Mr.Won't-show-my-ID-cracker, this was a case of obstruction, his home or not. It's law to have to Identify yourself to any officer of the law, failure to do so is not friendly.
Just watch cops , black,white,yellow,green, you bullshit about your identity you'll be lucky to not get in the back of a squad car.
What makes me sick is alot of "you" people blame cops for laws. They didn't write them. They enforce them.
Whether or not Crowley abused his power, I'm not really sure. But two things have come out that are very telling of this event imo. Race was never even a factor until Gates was the one who raised it. And also Gates dragged Crowley's mother into the situation. I mean, where the hell did that come from? When you start talking about somoene's mother, them's fightin words as far as I'm concerned.
It's not all black people though. It is actually a culture. It just happens to be mostly prevalent in the black communities. But I've seen this culture in all races.
It's a culture of irresponsibility and entitlement.
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If you are the cop who doesn't support other cops in your reports, when you go back to the station you won't last too long and you'll need a transfer.
Police officers usually do one of two things when they see another cop messing up.
1. They back him up on the report because one thing you don't seem to understand is cops write reports TOGETHER, lots of times in the same exact spot. Most of the time it's while they are pulled over. Ever see two cop cars sitting someplace off to the side? Sometimes they are discussing how to put the proper "language" in a report due. They also do it at the station and sometimes that takes quite a bit of time. They aren't isolated.
After the report is written, a supervisor, another cop (not involved), or a union rep usually proofs reads it for "spelling mistakes", which is perfectly legal. They tell officers how to "spell the word correctly" so that by the end of the reading, things "make sense". Usually that means just jive with other cops. I can remember writing reports after incidents sometimes with as many as 5 or 6 other officers all in the same room drinking coffee. If the officer writes something that another officer catches that doesn't "jive" with what the arresting officer wrote, he is usually asked if he's SURE he wants to turn that report in without rechecking it "for errors". If he declines, he won't last long.
2. A cop will say "he didn't see anything out of the ordinary" or he will say he didn't see anything at all if he doesn't agree with the other cop's actions or doesn't want to get caught in a lie later in court, but knows the guy is wrong. They will say "I was second on scene and from WHAT I SAW, I didn't see anything." Internal Affairs will usually go HARDER on the guy who backs up a lie more than the guy who did it. A lot of times they get the bad cop to admit he lied by making a deal, then they hit the co-conspirator with harder charges, so most cops usually say they simply didn't notice anything out of the ordinary as cover.
The first rule of policing is understanding that your fellow cop has your back and the public sucks and is out to get you. I simply cannot understand how someone who's been in the military (I guess in combat) doesn't understand your brothers next to you come first, anyone or anything else comes second, no matter what your RACE. You can have a KKK guy and a Black Panther in the Army, but when the bullets fly, that shit is out the window and everyone is green. What do you think Abu Gharib and Gitmo was all about? I have a hard time thinking you believe what you wrote.
I was not there of course, but for you to pretend this doesn't happen quite a bit shows you are either naive as to how day to day policing works in most departments in the world in general (and the military as well) or you are just trying to win a forum argument.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Gates is one of those old school black nationalists who views all white folk as the devil.
Hes just a old loon.
"TO MICHAEL!"
It's not all black people though. It is actually a culture. It just happens to be mostly prevalent in the black communities. But I've seen this culture in all races.
It's a culture of irresponsibility and entitlement.
I agree with you also.As long as this mindset exists within these communities it will be impossible to move beyond it to .A police officer now feels as though he is walking on eggshells and not being able to perform his duty by making quick descisions.
This also dangerous as it creates an environment for hesitation on the officers part in which could cause injury or even death to him,his fellow officers or even innocent bystanders
If you are the cop who doesn't support other cops in your reports, when you go back to the station you won't last too long and you'll need a transfer.
Police officers usually do one of two things when they see another cop messing up.
1. They back him up on the report because one thing you don't seem to understand is cops write reports TOGETHER, lots of times in the same exact spot. Most of the time it's while they are pulled over. Ever see two cop cars sitting someplace off to the side? Sometimes they are discussing how to put the proper "language" in a report due. They also do it at the station and sometimes that takes quite a bit of time. They aren't isolated.
After the report is written, a supervisor, another cop (not involved), or a union rep usually proofs reads it for "spelling mistakes", which is perfectly legal. They tell officers how to "spell the word correctly" so that by the end of the reading, things "make sense". Usually that means just jive with other cops. I can remember writing reports after incidents sometimes with as many as 5 or 6 other officers all in the same room drinking coffee. If the officer writes something that another officer catches that doesn't "jive" with what the arresting officer wrote, he is usually asked if he's SURE he wants to turn that report in without rechecking it "for errors". If he declines, he won't last long.
2. A cop will say "he didn't see anything out of the ordinary" or he will say he didn't see anything at all if he doesn't agree with the other cop's actions or doesn't want to get caught in a lie later in court, but knows the guy is wrong. They will say "I was second on scene and from WHAT I SAW, I didn't see anything." Internal Affairs will usually go HARDER on the guy who backs up a lie more than the guy who did it. A lot of times they get the bad cop to admit he lied by making a deal, then they hit the co-conspirator with harder charges, so most cops usually say they simply didn't notice anything out of the ordinary as cover.
The first rule of policing is understanding that your fellow cop has your back and the public sucks and is out to get you. I simply cannot understand how someone who's been in the military (I guess in combat) doesn't understand your brothers next to you come first, anyone or anything else comes second, no matter what your RACE. You can have a KKK guy and a Black Panther in the Army, but when the bullets fly, that shit is out the window and everyone is green. What do you think Abu Gharib and Gitmo was all about? I have a hard time thinking you believe what you wrote.
I was not there of course, but for you to pretend this doesn't happen quite a bit shows you are either naive as to how day to day policing works in most departments in the world in general (and the military as well) or you are just trying to win a forum argument.
Wow! What you wrote runs parallel in psychology to the "birthers".
And they call me a conspiracy nut????
I'm sorry, but those people in that interview looked absolutely 100% legitimate to me. And I would believe them over some guy who gave a "hate whitey" speech when it comes to racial sensitivity.
The lady said she voted for Obama, but that she won't again. What, did she just come up with that off the top of her head because she REALLY wanted to do an over the top fake statement?
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And all that clears him of being a racist, how?!?!?!?
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That's not clearing him of anything other than being a "old loon". Your accusations can linger in the air long after he, Obama and Sgt. Crowley have had their beers and turned this into an incredible photo op for race relations, lol.
Hmmm...
"TO MICHAEL!"
Wow! What you wrote runs parallel in psychology to the "birthers".
And they call me a conspiracy nut????
I'm sorry, but those people in that interview looked absolutely 100% legitimate to me. And I would believe them over some guy who gave a "hate whitey" speech when it comes to racial sensitivity.
The lady said she voted for Obama, but that she won't again. What, did she just come up with that off the top of her head because she REALLY wanted to do an over the top fake statement?
This is a very rare case where Popinjay is right. I've know quite a few policemen and women in my life, and they do tend to stick together. Plus, they often feel it is perfectly reasonable to arrest someone who mouths off to them. Many believe respect for the police trumps the constitution.
This is one more of the many reasons that we need to limit the power of government at all levels -- plus another reason to end the war on drugs (all vice for that matter). If cops no longer need to protect the people from themselves, and only from each other when we violate one another's rights, we will start to see a much better culture develop there. Now, we have a natural culture of corruption that begins with the drug war and ends with so many being on the take in big and small cities alike it destroys their effectiveness and their own virtues.
I also agree with you -- most are fine men and women out to do the job they were hired for -- protect the people they serve. However, there are factors that are rotting the whole thing from the inside and we as free thinking people have to realize that this is one more example of the failure of government when it reaches into areas it has no business being involved in.
As for this being a 'conspiracy theory," grand conspiracies are what are probably fictions -- the idea that there are secret masters pulling the strings of the whole world. But small time conspiracies happen all the time. Our prisons are full of the people who have been caught and proven to be involved in them.
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Per the Chris Rock Show doing a parody on what black people should do when police officers approaches them anywhere.
When a Police Officer Approaches you:
1. Use Common Sense
2. Be Polite
3. Shut the F*** Up
and you will avoid having your ass arrested or getting beat down….
Seems like that is the teachable moment ladies and gentleman courtesy of a NON-RACIST APPROACH that is applicable to all people of each skin tone & gender.
One teachable moment for me is this: Those carrying racial chips on their shoulders will knee-jerk responses prematurely and see racism where it’s not present. The consequence of that is, it inflames others and promotes racial tension and disharmony. Gates and Obama both occupy positions of leadership and clout. When they cry “racism”, they have sycophant followers and those who are reverse racists who will only be inflamed into perpetuating the “cycle of racism”.
Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton have already weighed in on this, “stupidly”, btw.
Sharpton:
“This arrest is indicative of at best police abuse of power or at worst the highest example of racial profiling I have seen,” Sharpton said. “I have heard of driving while black and even shopping while black but now even going to your own home while black is a new low in police community affairs.”
Looking for the video of Farrakhan dredging up American slavery…
Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.
I think this video tells the story.
Edit: Oops, sorry, gnomexxx. Didn't mean to double post all over your thread there. I didn't even click on your link, I was just reading the posts. Ingnore this.
That's not clearing him of anything other than being a "old loon". Your accusations can linger in the air long after he, Obama and Sgt. Crowley have had their beers and turned this into an incredible photo op for race relations, lol.
Hmmm...
You're lost.
I guess the savior Obama will lead you where you want to go though.
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Heh, that's okay.
It just makes is like a topic remix!
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