1) I cant get a answer or even my last stock certificate from Jenson, seems all the money I put into Garvick never showed up to CME, Jenson is no help, tells me to call Whiting, that he has no control over the money, that he doesn't know where it comes from, Whiting just gives CME money.
Well if I went to say a third party (Gavick) and handed over my money and expected shared in ANOTHER COMPANY, no matter what they promised, I would feel somewhat apprehensive.
Why didn't you buy the shares directly from CME?????
You haven't invested in CME, sounds more like you invested in Gavick, that owns shares in CME.
As to Jenson knowing anything about your shares, or money, how would he, you payed it into Gavick, not CME.
Really I am supprised at how many people are jumping over other people that do not have any connection with them. Gavick does not equal CME, its a company that has stock in CME nothing more, it maybe owned by some of the big boys, but its not CME, it is its own company. From what I undertstand a lot of people invested money into Gavick because stock wasnt available and this was the only way to get a peice of the pie. Really you should have gone directly to CME, if you went to Gaviock and gave them money for shares, your doing it wrong. ( Did you give money to Gavic to buy THIER cme shares, that Gavick owns???)
As to the rest of your post, I seriously doubt anything you have posted has come directly from CME, as its highly slanderous and they wouldnt be that stupid, please dont embelish the whole thing, you may have correct facts in your post, but embelishing and making it a unreal as you have doesnt do the facts any justice, and they will be ignored as just drivel.
Really we all want to know the real story of whats going on, but posts like yours do little more than just harm the crediability of what could be real facts.
THIS MUCH I KNOW, 1) I cant get a answer or even my last stock certificate from Jenson, seems all the money I put into Garvick never showed up to CME, Jenson is no help, tells me to call Whiting, that he has no control over the money, that he doesn't know where it comes from, Whiting just gives CME money.
Well if I went to say a third party (Gavick) and handed over my money and expected shared in ANOTHER COMPANY, no matter what they promised, I would feel somewhat apprehensive.
Why didn't you buy the shares directly from CME????? You haven't invested in CME, sounds more like you invested in Gavick, that owns shares in CME. As to Jenson knowing anything about your shares, or money, how would he, you payed it into Gavick, not CME.
Really I am supprised at how many people are jumping over other people that do not have any connection with them. Gavick does not equal CME, its a company that has stock in CME nothing more, it maybe owned by some of the big boys, but its not CME, it is its own company. From what I undertstand a lot of people invested money into Gavick because stock wasnt available and this was the only way to get a peice of the pie. Really you should have gone directly to CME, if you went to Gaviock and gave them money for shares, your doing it wrong. ( Did you give money to Gavic to buy THIER cme shares, that Gavick owns???)
As to the rest of your post, I seriously doubt anything you have posted has come directly from CME, as its highly slanderous and they wouldnt be that stupid, please dont embelish the whole thing, you may have correct facts in your post, but embelishing and making it a unreal as you have doesnt do the facts any justice, and they will be ignored as just drivel. Really we all want to know the real story of whats going on, but posts like yours do little more than just harm the crediability of what could be real facts.
Thought I'd help out anyone that has a phobia towards Astards,
Sorry that Garvick isn't in there, I guess I'll save that for another pic
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
They are 3 seperate companies run by the same person.
If you have invested in Gavick, you cannot blame CME and hold them liable for what business you have done with Gavick, you could hold the PERSON, but not the company. A company is made of many individuals.
If you put your money into MMOGULS, its nothing to do with CME or GAVICK, again you hold the person running that company liable or the company you have invested in laible, not another company that has the same guy running it.
If you think you could do that, take CME to court for not giving you stock because you gave the money to another company (Gavick) and they didnt give you the CME stock, you would be laughed out of the courtroom.
Really I am not trying to justify whats going on here, but really you cannot blame one company that you didnt have any dealings with directly, if you went through a third party to get CME stock and they didnt come through its not CME's fault, its the company you have dealt with in the first place, as I said you would be laughed out of a court room if you tried to hold CME liable for not getting shares you bought through another company.
Now A company is a body of people, they maybe run by the same person, but in the eyes of the law they are individual companies if you cannot understand that simple principle your not gonna go very far trying to get your money back. Do you really think taking CME to court to get MMOGULS or Gavick to give you your money back it will never happen, now if you took the individual to court you may, see there is a huge difference.
As I said above its a shame all this has happened and so many people have gotten burnt or expected something they never got, but its not CME's fault, you cant blame the developers, the receptionist or any of the other people that make up CME can you.
The problem, as it appears to me, is that a lot of the investors in CME etc. are/were very novice at this game, and the same goes for those who signed up for MMOGULs, who were novice in the world of MLMs. Looking at the web sites for MMOGULS, it seems fairly evident that they talked up storm about how CME/SGW was going to make them millions. Was there a lack of critical thought by those who invested? Perhaps. But while you could blame them, you can't absolve those who pitched it.
While I couldn't say for sure as I wasn't there, since GW was owner and pitchman for all these enterprises, who can say that he didn't talk all about CME/CMG/MMOGULS, and then when he got everyone revved up and ready to sign, he didn't slip a wad of papers under them that structured things differently? If so, it was a con. Again, who do you blame?
Look at all the people who were taken advantage of in the subprime mortgage mess. Should they have been able to know how dangerous the terms were? Yes, if they could read all the legalese of the 50 or so pages they signed. But they were preyed upon as mostly novice home buyers by people who knew what they were doing.
Exactly Zhiroc, the point I was making is that things may have been said that were somewhat misleading in some people eyes, CME have just kept there mouth shut (officially).
Lets say Bill Gates starts a new company, and name drops his other company, at how well it big the whole thing will be, he throws figures at you about other products you could possibly buy, ranging from Apple Mac's to Iphones. and then says that you could be able to get stuff from MS (cheaper) through his new company.
He doesn't mention anything about agreements or signed contracts.
Have you assumed they already exist and its a done deal. From the text above he has stated possibilities not FACT, and nothing is solid as to say its a done deal either.
How many people would invest in that company without an actual SIGNED AGREEMENT that these other companies can or even will sell MS or Apple products, then stuff happens and MS decide not to sign, Apple says GTFO and your left with just stuff that is already free off the internet.
Was Gates misleading people, or was it a case of no one asked the question that really mattered, I was always taught, that if something is to good to be true then it usually is. Really why would a 1000$ a year MLM that returns a possible 300k turn around be offered so easily......The mind boggles.
Really to many people believed the hype, other game names were dropped into it like NCSoft and Blizzard, but i doubt they would ever touch any sort of scheme like this with a bargepole.
This scheme only works if people sign up for it, and then get more people to sign up for it, MMOGULS management doesnt sign them up, they finds someone else to do it. And others do it, knowing what it is, but greed here is pushing them along to make more people sign up and then they sign more up.
So many people feel burned on this whole issue, it doesnt matter if its tight or wrong, anyone that signed up for MMOGULS really wasnt looking into the best interests of the community, they were in it to exploit that community, and that puts them way down the list of scum on my list, they knew it was hated and would be disliked, but they still promoted it like it was the next best thing, now those that are hurt by it come crying into the forums like this about how hard they are done by, it makes me laugh, I have no sympathy for anyone in MMOGULS, its a hated system, and you were only in it to make money, or exploiting online communities, and now the crap has settled we can see who is in it for the community, and who was in it for the money....
The entire company shell game is very confusing. When you are toured around CME offices, allowed to talk to the developers and see what they are working on at their cubicals, shown video presentations in CME's conference rooms you get the feeling that all these companies are all the same. Who wouldnt?
So when Tim proclaims that he knows nothing, yet all this goes on inside the CME offices -- I don't buy it. In the beginning, it was just investor tours. In the end, it was MMOGULS tours. If you are not cool with MMOGULS why do you let them tour mmoguls investors through your company?
The whole thing reminds me of a shady vacation time share rip-off presentation.
Don't be surprised if 'some money' forces CME into bankruptcy. With all the money they owe, they can't pick and choose who to pay. They need to pay all the back pay first, and not the handfull of employees that stuck around, or they will force court action on the company. Same goes with vendors, the IRS, etc.
Get ready for a crappy game to come out on MMOGULS. CME lacks the talent to put our anything quality at this point.
What i'm curious to know is, they had to show funding to MGM to retain the IP. Obviously, they showed something since they still ( sadly ) have the IP. Now, after retaining the IP, they suddenly have no money again? Seriously, I'm blaming MGM for these idiots, now. MGM had a chance to kill this shit. MGM didn't. No matter what Whiting or CME do now, it's on MGM as far as I'm concerned. And when the lawsuits really start flying, smart investors will be naming MGM as an accomplice/partner in the suits as well.
Well, maybe they have enough money or the game almost ready but want some more on their swizz bank accounts? Or maybe they bribed the MGM guy?
This whole deal sounds very fishy, I would not pay these guy a penny.
MGM must have some reason to let them keep the license, question is what?
" anyone that signed up for MMOGULS really wasnt looking into the best interests of the community, they were in it to exploit that community, and that puts them way down the list of scum on my list,"
So what is your opinion of Gary Whiting? He set up MMOGULs and CME and Garvick and every dodgy shell corp involved in this sordid mess, wouldn't you say he's even lower than the scum that signed up? Wouldn't you say that his only wish was to exploit the community and squeeze every penny out of both gamers and saps trying to get rich quick? If not why wouldn't Gary be the biggest villan here?
Your Bill Gates scenario is bologne. To compare Imagine Bill Gates set up a pyramid scheme to launch/sell "Windows 8" and it was going to be the greatest thing since the contraceptive pill. He signs people up and has them paying but misses the launch deadline, then we find out that there is no one working on this alleged OS and staff have gone without pay for over 6 months. Then we discover that investors money disappeared and it didn't all make it into his Windows 8 project and not everyone recieved their stock certificates ect ... ect .... you know the story. Wouldn't you say that Bill was exploiting investors and the general public and telling lies, wouldn't you say he's a dirty two faced con man (some do anyway!)? Bill would end up in prison and rightly so don't you agree? And the "Well Bill is the owner of the companies but the companies have nothing to do with each other" would have the judge and jury in fits of laughter and his own defence attorney would go outside and shoot himself!
As for Jensons deniability it's like Herman Goering at the Nurumberg trials saying "Hey I was just head of the Luftwaffe, Adolf handled the rest and although he was in the office only next door I have no knowledge of invading Poland and death camps, can I leave now?".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I have been around a while and have seen many many investment opportunities, and most start out with the best intentions.
MMOGULS could have been the next best thing if they had taken the isnap concept and not turned it into a system were it was about turned from a community tool into a system to turn a community into a money machine. MMOGULS on paper is a accountants wet dream, find people to pay them, and the only way they can make money is for them to find more people, and so on and so on and so on, its like give the masses an insentive, sit back and watch them fight over everyone and everything, you don't care as the money roles into your pocket no matter what happens....
Overall my distaste for MMOGULS is that people are still buying into the false figures, the games list that hasnt even been signed on the dotted line. And those that do know about it and have signed up will STILL try and find someone else to feed there downline, so they can make money.
I dont know how it came into being, but I think a lot of people may have been given the wrong impression with what it has and what it would become, as to it owning CME, I think thats just a farcicale fantasy, since CME was the building block for a games company. And as I said before it is another company owned by the same guy, but run by different people, it may have been in the same building and may have exploited that fact with showing people around under the premise that they were CME investors but were actually MMOGULS investors. I dont know, its all speculation. But we do know that MGM has stepped in, they are no longer in the building and CME has tried to distance itself from MMOGULS as much as possible.
My personal opinion as I have stated elsewhere would have been for these people to fosuc on one thing CME, and get the game done, but time and effort was taken away from just CME, as they split themselves up over 2 projects, that is somewhat stepping on the toes of CME, I would have prefered the guy to have just stuck with CME, and built that up instead of splitting his time over CME and MMOGULS, now he is paying the price with MMOGULS doing its downwards spiral, and may not even be able to pickup any SG titles, as they would still need to put it past MGM, and we know MGM stamped on MMOGULS with SGW.
Its a shame to see a company like CME dragged through the dirt because of decisions and actions made in another company, but I am sure lessons have been learnt, and it could be one of those NGE type stories people will remember in the years to come.
As to my personal opinion of GW, I am one of those people who try and see the best of someone, and I do think he hoped everything would work out for the best, maybe his choice in decisions may have not been the best, and the guys working the system were looking for ways to generate money quickly, and he took there advice and went with it, its hard to say, or even know whose idea it was, it may have been his, it may have been some of his advisors, etc. What we do know is that it has generated a lot of bad media and bad feelings in the community, and has pretty much destroyed a lot of people hope of a game they were really looking forward to playing. Only time will tell how things will end. But there is now life in CME ( I HOPE ) and we will start seeing some movement soon. Until then I can only hope CME get things right from now on.
Yellow you state that people who invest in MMOGULs are scumbags trying to exploit others yet when asked about the creator of MMOGULs who stands to make the most out of exploiting the gamers you say "As to my personal opinion of GW, I am one of those people who try and see the best of someone, and I do think he hoped everything would work out for the best". What the hell is wrong with you man? Are you just too blind to see the hippocracy in your statements or are you just on the team Whiting gravy train yoursellf?
Gary Whiting has everything to do with CME and MMOGULs, he created both so that he could profit financialy no other reason end of story. He encourages people at MMOGULs to exploit his staff at CME and any potential gamers in SGW, calling any potential gamers "retail Orphans" and advising on starting commands in SGW to recruit them into MMOGULs. Your crazed blind faith hippocritical statements claiming MMOGULs has nothing to do with CME just don't wash with anyone other than a FanOri or Astard. It's like saying "I try to see the best in people and really Adolf wasn't a bad guy and I think he hoped it would work out for the best and just for your information the Gestapo and the Waffen SS were completely different organisations that never had anything to do with each other. Just two projects that Adolf kept totally seperate, although I think the people that worked in the Gestapo were all total scumbags!".
Yellow I'm starting to worry that you've gone full Astard, you've gotta remember you should never go full Astard just part Astard!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Well I dont associate an individual as a company, you do.
My comments on people still trying to find people for there downline when they KNOW its not working, gonna fail, know the games and figures they are saying will be in, may not be is just plain wrong to me.
GW I dont know if he is actually stating they WILL be in, or COULD be in, or if he is using games from CME as reference, I havent listened to the recordings or anything. If GW is saying these things will happen with 100% certainty then he is seriously misleading people. As to the whole thing with looking at the best, I think GW is trying and loosing a battle with MMOGULS, I really dont think it was his idea or even his setup (if you do I think you maybe giving him to much credit), my guess is someone came in with a MLM based on isnap and turned it into a money spinner, played on GW ego, got him to create the company and then when things started to go south, bailed on him (after he got his share of all the first comers), and left him with the bag.
Really companies are not run by individuals, usually they have advisors and other people that help, YES GW will make the final call him being in control of everything, and eventually the buck stops at him, but if you have 10 people tell you something is good, and you go with it, hindsight is a wonderful thing. but if you advisors or whatever feed you crap you will end up selling crap.
Bill Gates, Windows ME, was spouted as the next best thing in its day, later they agree it was the worst version of windows ever.
Again people make mistakes, but its not just 1 person that does it, its usually a group of people that advise and so forth, in the end only one person can be held repsonsible and thats the guy at the top, but looking at the bigger picture it most likely that his advisors and accountants, etc gave him bad advice, and he is personally paying for it now.
finally I think mmoguls was a horendous idea, but the problem is once the ball starts rolling its very hard to stop, and I really think what mmoguls started out to be will not what it will be in the end.
Yellow this statement you made is totally ****ing insane,
"GW I dont know if he is actually stating they WILL be in, or COULD be in, or if he is using games from CME as reference, I havent listened to the recordings or anything. If GW is saying these things will happen with 100% certainty then he is seriously misleading people. As to the whole thing with looking at the best, I think GW is trying and loosing a battle with MMOGULS, I really dont think it was his idea or even his setup (if you do I think you maybe giving him to much credit), my guess is someone came in with a MLM based on isnap and turned it into a money spinner, played on GW ego, got him to create the company and then when things started to go south, bailed on him (after he got his share of all the first comers), and left him with the bag."
If that is what you truly believe then I suggest you have yourself checked into the nearest institute for the mentally insane and have them give you the once over!
Gary Whiting is the creator and owner of CME click FACT!
Gary Whiting is the creator and owner of GARVICK PROPERTIES LLC click FACT!
If you still believe your make believe who shot John story about how Gary Whiting is somehow a victim railroaded into MMOGULs then listen to this click and then tell me what you think. If you wish to further persist in the Gary Whiting is the victim story and an innocent left with the bag please post some links to back up your story here. Who are these dark forces working against Gary? Where are they now? How did they railroad Gary? Give some facts or just drop the fantasy please, it got old 9 months ago mate!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
He is the owner and the creator of the company, he may not understand the inner workings of what its does or sells, the buck will stop with him though, since his name is on the dotted line though. But really I would be interested to know who actually came up with the idea, I seriously doubt it was GW, as he has had no MLM experience in the past.
For example do you think the owner of APPLE created and designed the iphone.....Put this basic principle to virtually any company and what they produce, or sell, and you will find that the OWNER and CREATOR of the company is pretty much just the man that says GO FOR IT, he doesnt make or even design the things they are producing or selling.
Even though I am a huge SG fan, the pole long enough for me to touch this game with has not been created.
And there is some problem with Yellow, with understanding the reality of how "small" businesses vs large corporations are run. CME and all the other shades and flavors of the crooked GW empire, with their various layers of interconnectedness, are all run by GW. In a small business, GW might not know what is being coded that day or what features have been updated on a given day or week, but he damn well knows where the money is coming from and going.
That is the way it works, that is what the man in charge does.
I work for a small private company with a few dozen employees, and the boss/owner knows EVERYTHING that is going on, on the business side, and yes, we have a couple associated companies that he started (for contract reasons, would be divisions in a larger company) and he knows everything that is going on with that too. And various employees get shifted around to work on different projects for other "companies" all the time.
It is most likely that GW knows everything about the business/money side of this whole sham, because as the founder, it comes down to his money. He would especially pay attention if he knows he is breaking the law, which he probably does, to try to stay out of jail.
The most interesting thing to know is how much in salary and dividends has GW taken home while this whole sham has been going on and before a single product is launched? It is probably a lot....
This could be the case, but from what I remember reading someone invested 3 million into MMOGULS before it even started, and it was a couple or something, I don't know if these people along with some other that already had dealings with GW and all these people together came up with MMOGULS. It made more sense to me that GW was just the mouth peice and that others were making the decisions on MMOGULS, I never thought a single individual that had no idea of a gaming community could come up with an idea like MMOGULS, as I said above it seems to me this was created by accountants looking for a self perpetuating community, not a guy that has no experience in a gaming arena.
GW I dont know if he is actually stating they WILL be in, or COULD be in, or if he is using games from CME as reference, I havent listened to the recordings or anything. If GW is saying these things will happen with 100% certainty then he is seriously misleading people. As to the whole thing with looking at the best, I think GW is trying and loosing a battle with MMOGULS, I really dont think it was his idea or even his setup (if you do I think you maybe giving him to much credit), my guess is someone came in with a MLM based on isnap and turned it into a money spinner, played on GW ego, got him to create the company and then when things started to go south, bailed on him (after he got his share of all the first comers), and left him with the bag.
I can refer you to a previous post of mine, where I distilled down some quotes from a recent (Aug 2009) MMOGULS podcast.
"the game company is going to help MMOGULS for sure"
(is CMG going to be an asset for MMOGULS?) "Yes absolutely.... We're going to be using our games presence to help MMOGULS."
[MVP games is interested in MMOGULS because of CMG]
So, they are still advertising it as linked. You really have to listen it. It's funny how they try so very hard to not mention CME/CMG by name (calling it "the other game company"), but fail in the end.
You also should look at this MMOGULS (affiliate) page. If I had just glanced at it, I would have sworn it was an official CME one. Of course, MMOGULS could likely claim ignorance and put the blame on the affiliate for mentioning the link. Too bad just about EVERY member site does this to some degree.
He is the owner and the creator of the company, he may not understand the inner workings of what its does or sells, the buck will stop with him though, since his name is on the dotted line though. But really I would be interested to know who actually came up with the idea, I seriously doubt it was GW, as he has had no MLM experience in the past. For example do you think the owner of APPLE created and designed the iphone.....Put this basic principle to virtually any company and what they produce, or sell, and you will find that the OWNER and CREATOR of the company is pretty much just the man that says GO FOR IT, he doesnt make or even design the things they are producing or selling.
Did you even listen to what Gary Whiting himself said in that podcast? Yellow you need to either show us some facts that Gary has/had no idea what's going on or just drop the who shot John BS. Listen to the podcast, Whiting knows exactly what MMOGULs is about and he states that CME is MMOGULs biggest asset. He states his intentions and why he created MMOGULs in the podcast, you have zero to support your conspiracy theory and I have proof from the horses mouth to support mine. So why do you continue in your delusion that Gary has been conned and left holding the bag or is just some kind of gibbering nutjob that decided to start MMOGULs one day for the hell of it?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
What I don't understand is why he persists in being so "open" about the link in MMOGULS meetings. Well, I can understand why he'd want to be (it's the only plausible reason to join), but if "everyone" from CME to MGM says it's not going to happen, then if it doesn't, and since he obviously has been told this, then I'm pretty sure he can be sued later for personal fraud when/if MMOGULS collapses, which would pierce any corporate protection.
Maybe the people who are saying "no", are saying it with a wink and a nod?
No matter what GW has been saying, it doesn't matter. CEO and Owners of corportaions/Companies are just like politicians. You have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Really, it can be interpretted as a strong standpoint, or a sign of weakness. All I can say is that I'll have to go on my gut feeling, and it tells me that Stargate Worlds might get the curse of Bill Roper, SW might get "FlagShipped". And sadly flaggshipped before it even hits the stores. (though in spirit, I want this IP to succeed)
What I don't understand is why he persists in being so "open" about the link in MMOGULS meetings. Well, I can understand why he'd want to be (it's the only plausible reason to join), but if "everyone" from CME to MGM says it's not going to happen, then if it doesn't, and since he obviously has been told this, then I'm pretty sure he can be sued later for personal fraud when/if MMOGULS collapses, which would pierce any corporate protection. Maybe the people who are saying "no", are saying it with a wink and a nod?
It's an interesting question which makes me ask the question "Does Gary even intend to launch SGW at this point?". You heard the podcast where they're constantly apologizing for people not getting their money from their downlines. Also you heard the only question at the end of the meeting was the guy from Texas that hasn't seen anything from his downline since December! Then the excuse of "We've been having trouble with our software" was used and I thought "Trouble with your software for one year now and it still isn't sorted out?".
I reckon Gary will release the other generic crap if he can but has no intention of SGW launching now. He's kept these saps hanging on for a year already so he'll keep up the pretense until people at MMOGULs get sick of giving him money for nothing. Also I reckon this "new funding" at CME came from Gary embezzeling cash from MMOGULs, since he's spent one year looking for investors and nothing so he used some of his stolen cash to put on a good show for MGM.
I just don't see it coming to SGW being released or any SG game. The podcast made me laugh when he's reassuring them about getting funding and I'm thinking "this johnny has already blown $50 million with nothing to show for it, why would the pittance he scrapes together make any difference now?".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
This is really why I have always questioned the viability of this license in a booming economy it is possibly worth the risk to support this game but in one as we have now? I realized about six months ago that this is the only kind of news they could possibly have about the state of the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It's an interesting question which makes me ask the question "Does Gary even intend to launch SGW at this point?".
Nope. If he launches, he has to launch a GOOD product and there will be an actual product to review. If it never launches, its a great carrot-on-a-stick for various investors and can never fail. Why launch when just the promise of it is bringing MMOGULS money and subscribers?
the idea "This thing is going to be great when it launches" brings a lot of money into Gary's pocket.
If ANY of the studios were ever really designed to get actual software products out, one of them would have stumbled on SOMETHING as a retail release by now even if it was a $9.99 walmart bargain bin game.
It's an interesting question which makes me ask the question "Does Gary even intend to launch SGW at this point?".
Gary just needs to launch something Stargate. I could be an iPod game, Stargate Battles, anything. He will then satisfy having a big name IP for MMOGULS.
If Gary is only a talking bobble head of his two companies, then how can MMOGULS sell subscriptions for CME Games? Is there some sort of contract between CME and MMOGULS? Why would CME give away some of their hard earned revenue for nothing? Why did CME give away their great iSnap idea to MMOGULS (that was the CME executives we saw in those videos explaining iSnap, right?). Why isn’t CME litigating MMOGULS for stealing CME’s iSnap idea and name? Why are the investors allowing this?
MMOGULS will offer MMO game subscriptions at a reasonable price. That is one of the core products. Instead of simply having all the subscription funds go to the gaming company, gamers will actually be able to make money doing what they do best… networking and inviting their tens, hundreds and thousands of online gaming associates to become part of their MMOGULS iSNAP.
Now that you know this background, here's where things get really exciting for you and me!
Retail sales for products MMOGULS offers at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. will need to belong to the network (iSNAP), and for the large audience of retail customers who will require subscriptions to participate with the online games they acquire, MMOGULS will place those retail customers into the organization of those MMOGULS associates who are already in the network.
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maybe you should have invested in the casino slot machines instead
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THIS MUCH I KNOW,
1) I cant get a answer or even my last stock certificate from Jenson, seems all the money I put into Garvick never showed up to CME, Jenson is no help, tells me to call Whiting, that he has no control over the money, that he doesn't know where it comes from, Whiting just gives CME money.
Well if I went to say a third party (Gavick) and handed over my money and expected shared in ANOTHER COMPANY, no matter what they promised, I would feel somewhat apprehensive.
Why didn't you buy the shares directly from CME?????
You haven't invested in CME, sounds more like you invested in Gavick, that owns shares in CME.
As to Jenson knowing anything about your shares, or money, how would he, you payed it into Gavick, not CME.
Really I am supprised at how many people are jumping over other people that do not have any connection with them. Gavick does not equal CME, its a company that has stock in CME nothing more, it maybe owned by some of the big boys, but its not CME, it is its own company. From what I undertstand a lot of people invested money into Gavick because stock wasnt available and this was the only way to get a peice of the pie. Really you should have gone directly to CME, if you went to Gaviock and gave them money for shares, your doing it wrong. ( Did you give money to Gavic to buy THIER cme shares, that Gavick owns???)
As to the rest of your post, I seriously doubt anything you have posted has come directly from CME, as its highly slanderous and they wouldnt be that stupid, please dont embelish the whole thing, you may have correct facts in your post, but embelishing and making it a unreal as you have doesnt do the facts any justice, and they will be ignored as just drivel.
Really we all want to know the real story of whats going on, but posts like yours do little more than just harm the crediability of what could be real facts.
Thought I'd help out anyone that has a phobia towards Astards,
Sorry that Garvick isn't in there, I guess I'll save that for another pic
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
They are 3 seperate companies run by the same person.
If you have invested in Gavick, you cannot blame CME and hold them liable for what business you have done with Gavick, you could hold the PERSON, but not the company. A company is made of many individuals.
If you put your money into MMOGULS, its nothing to do with CME or GAVICK, again you hold the person running that company liable or the company you have invested in laible, not another company that has the same guy running it.
If you think you could do that, take CME to court for not giving you stock because you gave the money to another company (Gavick) and they didnt give you the CME stock, you would be laughed out of the courtroom.
Really I am not trying to justify whats going on here, but really you cannot blame one company that you didnt have any dealings with directly, if you went through a third party to get CME stock and they didnt come through its not CME's fault, its the company you have dealt with in the first place, as I said you would be laughed out of a court room if you tried to hold CME liable for not getting shares you bought through another company.
Now A company is a body of people, they maybe run by the same person, but in the eyes of the law they are individual companies if you cannot understand that simple principle your not gonna go very far trying to get your money back. Do you really think taking CME to court to get MMOGULS or Gavick to give you your money back it will never happen, now if you took the individual to court you may, see there is a huge difference.
As I said above its a shame all this has happened and so many people have gotten burnt or expected something they never got, but its not CME's fault, you cant blame the developers, the receptionist or any of the other people that make up CME can you.
The problem, as it appears to me, is that a lot of the investors in CME etc. are/were very novice at this game, and the same goes for those who signed up for MMOGULs, who were novice in the world of MLMs. Looking at the web sites for MMOGULS, it seems fairly evident that they talked up storm about how CME/SGW was going to make them millions. Was there a lack of critical thought by those who invested? Perhaps. But while you could blame them, you can't absolve those who pitched it.
While I couldn't say for sure as I wasn't there, since GW was owner and pitchman for all these enterprises, who can say that he didn't talk all about CME/CMG/MMOGULS, and then when he got everyone revved up and ready to sign, he didn't slip a wad of papers under them that structured things differently? If so, it was a con. Again, who do you blame?
Look at all the people who were taken advantage of in the subprime mortgage mess. Should they have been able to know how dangerous the terms were? Yes, if they could read all the legalese of the 50 or so pages they signed. But they were preyed upon as mostly novice home buyers by people who knew what they were doing.
Exactly Zhiroc, the point I was making is that things may have been said that were somewhat misleading in some people eyes, CME have just kept there mouth shut (officially).
Lets say Bill Gates starts a new company, and name drops his other company, at how well it big the whole thing will be, he throws figures at you about other products you could possibly buy, ranging from Apple Mac's to Iphones. and then says that you could be able to get stuff from MS (cheaper) through his new company.
He doesn't mention anything about agreements or signed contracts.
Have you assumed they already exist and its a done deal. From the text above he has stated possibilities not FACT, and nothing is solid as to say its a done deal either.
How many people would invest in that company without an actual SIGNED AGREEMENT that these other companies can or even will sell MS or Apple products, then stuff happens and MS decide not to sign, Apple says GTFO and your left with just stuff that is already free off the internet.
Was Gates misleading people, or was it a case of no one asked the question that really mattered, I was always taught, that if something is to good to be true then it usually is. Really why would a 1000$ a year MLM that returns a possible 300k turn around be offered so easily......The mind boggles.
Really to many people believed the hype, other game names were dropped into it like NCSoft and Blizzard, but i doubt they would ever touch any sort of scheme like this with a bargepole.
This scheme only works if people sign up for it, and then get more people to sign up for it, MMOGULS management doesnt sign them up, they finds someone else to do it. And others do it, knowing what it is, but greed here is pushing them along to make more people sign up and then they sign more up.
So many people feel burned on this whole issue, it doesnt matter if its tight or wrong, anyone that signed up for MMOGULS really wasnt looking into the best interests of the community, they were in it to exploit that community, and that puts them way down the list of scum on my list, they knew it was hated and would be disliked, but they still promoted it like it was the next best thing, now those that are hurt by it come crying into the forums like this about how hard they are done by, it makes me laugh, I have no sympathy for anyone in MMOGULS, its a hated system, and you were only in it to make money, or exploiting online communities, and now the crap has settled we can see who is in it for the community, and who was in it for the money....
The entire company shell game is very confusing. When you are toured around CME offices, allowed to talk to the developers and see what they are working on at their cubicals, shown video presentations in CME's conference rooms you get the feeling that all these companies are all the same. Who wouldnt?
So when Tim proclaims that he knows nothing, yet all this goes on inside the CME offices -- I don't buy it. In the beginning, it was just investor tours. In the end, it was MMOGULS tours. If you are not cool with MMOGULS why do you let them tour mmoguls investors through your company?
The whole thing reminds me of a shady vacation time share rip-off presentation.
Don't be surprised if 'some money' forces CME into bankruptcy. With all the money they owe, they can't pick and choose who to pay. They need to pay all the back pay first, and not the handfull of employees that stuck around, or they will force court action on the company. Same goes with vendors, the IRS, etc.
Get ready for a crappy game to come out on MMOGULS. CME lacks the talent to put our anything quality at this point.
Well, maybe they have enough money or the game almost ready but want some more on their swizz bank accounts? Or maybe they bribed the MGM guy?
This whole deal sounds very fishy, I would not pay these guy a penny.
MGM must have some reason to let them keep the license, question is what?
Yellow you stated this in the above post,
" anyone that signed up for MMOGULS really wasnt looking into the best interests of the community, they were in it to exploit that community, and that puts them way down the list of scum on my list,"
So what is your opinion of Gary Whiting? He set up MMOGULs and CME and Garvick and every dodgy shell corp involved in this sordid mess, wouldn't you say he's even lower than the scum that signed up? Wouldn't you say that his only wish was to exploit the community and squeeze every penny out of both gamers and saps trying to get rich quick? If not why wouldn't Gary be the biggest villan here?
Your Bill Gates scenario is bologne. To compare Imagine Bill Gates set up a pyramid scheme to launch/sell "Windows 8" and it was going to be the greatest thing since the contraceptive pill. He signs people up and has them paying but misses the launch deadline, then we find out that there is no one working on this alleged OS and staff have gone without pay for over 6 months. Then we discover that investors money disappeared and it didn't all make it into his Windows 8 project and not everyone recieved their stock certificates ect ... ect .... you know the story. Wouldn't you say that Bill was exploiting investors and the general public and telling lies, wouldn't you say he's a dirty two faced con man (some do anyway!)? Bill would end up in prison and rightly so don't you agree? And the "Well Bill is the owner of the companies but the companies have nothing to do with each other" would have the judge and jury in fits of laughter and his own defence attorney would go outside and shoot himself!
As for Jensons deniability it's like Herman Goering at the Nurumberg trials saying "Hey I was just head of the Luftwaffe, Adolf handled the rest and although he was in the office only next door I have no knowledge of invading Poland and death camps, can I leave now?".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I have been around a while and have seen many many investment opportunities, and most start out with the best intentions.
MMOGULS could have been the next best thing if they had taken the isnap concept and not turned it into a system were it was about turned from a community tool into a system to turn a community into a money machine. MMOGULS on paper is a accountants wet dream, find people to pay them, and the only way they can make money is for them to find more people, and so on and so on and so on, its like give the masses an insentive, sit back and watch them fight over everyone and everything, you don't care as the money roles into your pocket no matter what happens....
Overall my distaste for MMOGULS is that people are still buying into the false figures, the games list that hasnt even been signed on the dotted line. And those that do know about it and have signed up will STILL try and find someone else to feed there downline, so they can make money.
I dont know how it came into being, but I think a lot of people may have been given the wrong impression with what it has and what it would become, as to it owning CME, I think thats just a farcicale fantasy, since CME was the building block for a games company. And as I said before it is another company owned by the same guy, but run by different people, it may have been in the same building and may have exploited that fact with showing people around under the premise that they were CME investors but were actually MMOGULS investors. I dont know, its all speculation. But we do know that MGM has stepped in, they are no longer in the building and CME has tried to distance itself from MMOGULS as much as possible.
My personal opinion as I have stated elsewhere would have been for these people to fosuc on one thing CME, and get the game done, but time and effort was taken away from just CME, as they split themselves up over 2 projects, that is somewhat stepping on the toes of CME, I would have prefered the guy to have just stuck with CME, and built that up instead of splitting his time over CME and MMOGULS, now he is paying the price with MMOGULS doing its downwards spiral, and may not even be able to pickup any SG titles, as they would still need to put it past MGM, and we know MGM stamped on MMOGULS with SGW.
Its a shame to see a company like CME dragged through the dirt because of decisions and actions made in another company, but I am sure lessons have been learnt, and it could be one of those NGE type stories people will remember in the years to come.
As to my personal opinion of GW, I am one of those people who try and see the best of someone, and I do think he hoped everything would work out for the best, maybe his choice in decisions may have not been the best, and the guys working the system were looking for ways to generate money quickly, and he took there advice and went with it, its hard to say, or even know whose idea it was, it may have been his, it may have been some of his advisors, etc. What we do know is that it has generated a lot of bad media and bad feelings in the community, and has pretty much destroyed a lot of people hope of a game they were really looking forward to playing. Only time will tell how things will end. But there is now life in CME ( I HOPE ) and we will start seeing some movement soon. Until then I can only hope CME get things right from now on.
Yellow you state that people who invest in MMOGULs are scumbags trying to exploit others yet when asked about the creator of MMOGULs who stands to make the most out of exploiting the gamers you say "As to my personal opinion of GW, I am one of those people who try and see the best of someone, and I do think he hoped everything would work out for the best". What the hell is wrong with you man? Are you just too blind to see the hippocracy in your statements or are you just on the team Whiting gravy train yoursellf?
Gary Whiting has everything to do with CME and MMOGULs, he created both so that he could profit financialy no other reason end of story. He encourages people at MMOGULs to exploit his staff at CME and any potential gamers in SGW, calling any potential gamers "retail Orphans" and advising on starting commands in SGW to recruit them into MMOGULs. Your crazed blind faith hippocritical statements claiming MMOGULs has nothing to do with CME just don't wash with anyone other than a FanOri or Astard. It's like saying "I try to see the best in people and really Adolf wasn't a bad guy and I think he hoped it would work out for the best and just for your information the Gestapo and the Waffen SS were completely different organisations that never had anything to do with each other. Just two projects that Adolf kept totally seperate, although I think the people that worked in the Gestapo were all total scumbags!".
Yellow I'm starting to worry that you've gone full Astard, you've gotta remember you should never go full Astard just part Astard!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Well I dont associate an individual as a company, you do.
My comments on people still trying to find people for there downline when they KNOW its not working, gonna fail, know the games and figures they are saying will be in, may not be is just plain wrong to me.
GW I dont know if he is actually stating they WILL be in, or COULD be in, or if he is using games from CME as reference, I havent listened to the recordings or anything. If GW is saying these things will happen with 100% certainty then he is seriously misleading people. As to the whole thing with looking at the best, I think GW is trying and loosing a battle with MMOGULS, I really dont think it was his idea or even his setup (if you do I think you maybe giving him to much credit), my guess is someone came in with a MLM based on isnap and turned it into a money spinner, played on GW ego, got him to create the company and then when things started to go south, bailed on him (after he got his share of all the first comers), and left him with the bag.
Really companies are not run by individuals, usually they have advisors and other people that help, YES GW will make the final call him being in control of everything, and eventually the buck stops at him, but if you have 10 people tell you something is good, and you go with it, hindsight is a wonderful thing. but if you advisors or whatever feed you crap you will end up selling crap.
Bill Gates, Windows ME, was spouted as the next best thing in its day, later they agree it was the worst version of windows ever.
Again people make mistakes, but its not just 1 person that does it, its usually a group of people that advise and so forth, in the end only one person can be held repsonsible and thats the guy at the top, but looking at the bigger picture it most likely that his advisors and accountants, etc gave him bad advice, and he is personally paying for it now.
finally I think mmoguls was a horendous idea, but the problem is once the ball starts rolling its very hard to stop, and I really think what mmoguls started out to be will not what it will be in the end.
Yellow this statement you made is totally ****ing insane,
"GW I dont know if he is actually stating they WILL be in, or COULD be in, or if he is using games from CME as reference, I havent listened to the recordings or anything. If GW is saying these things will happen with 100% certainty then he is seriously misleading people. As to the whole thing with looking at the best, I think GW is trying and loosing a battle with MMOGULS, I really dont think it was his idea or even his setup (if you do I think you maybe giving him to much credit), my guess is someone came in with a MLM based on isnap and turned it into a money spinner, played on GW ego, got him to create the company and then when things started to go south, bailed on him (after he got his share of all the first comers), and left him with the bag."
If that is what you truly believe then I suggest you have yourself checked into the nearest institute for the mentally insane and have them give you the once over!
Gary Whiting is the creator and owner click FACT!
Gary Whiting is the creator and owner of CME click FACT!
Gary Whiting is the creator and owner of GARVICK PROPERTIES LLC click FACT!
If you still believe your make believe who shot John story about how Gary Whiting is somehow a victim railroaded into MMOGULs then listen to this click and then tell me what you think. If you wish to further persist in the Gary Whiting is the victim story and an innocent left with the bag please post some links to back up your story here. Who are these dark forces working against Gary? Where are they now? How did they railroad Gary? Give some facts or just drop the fantasy please, it got old 9 months ago mate!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
He is the owner and the creator of the company, he may not understand the inner workings of what its does or sells, the buck will stop with him though, since his name is on the dotted line though. But really I would be interested to know who actually came up with the idea, I seriously doubt it was GW, as he has had no MLM experience in the past.
For example do you think the owner of APPLE created and designed the iphone.....Put this basic principle to virtually any company and what they produce, or sell, and you will find that the OWNER and CREATOR of the company is pretty much just the man that says GO FOR IT, he doesnt make or even design the things they are producing or selling.
Even though I am a huge SG fan, the pole long enough for me to touch this game with has not been created.
And there is some problem with Yellow, with understanding the reality of how "small" businesses vs large corporations are run. CME and all the other shades and flavors of the crooked GW empire, with their various layers of interconnectedness, are all run by GW. In a small business, GW might not know what is being coded that day or what features have been updated on a given day or week, but he damn well knows where the money is coming from and going.
That is the way it works, that is what the man in charge does.
I work for a small private company with a few dozen employees, and the boss/owner knows EVERYTHING that is going on, on the business side, and yes, we have a couple associated companies that he started (for contract reasons, would be divisions in a larger company) and he knows everything that is going on with that too. And various employees get shifted around to work on different projects for other "companies" all the time.
It is most likely that GW knows everything about the business/money side of this whole sham, because as the founder, it comes down to his money. He would especially pay attention if he knows he is breaking the law, which he probably does, to try to stay out of jail.
The most interesting thing to know is how much in salary and dividends has GW taken home while this whole sham has been going on and before a single product is launched? It is probably a lot....
This could be the case, but from what I remember reading someone invested 3 million into MMOGULS before it even started, and it was a couple or something, I don't know if these people along with some other that already had dealings with GW and all these people together came up with MMOGULS. It made more sense to me that GW was just the mouth peice and that others were making the decisions on MMOGULS, I never thought a single individual that had no idea of a gaming community could come up with an idea like MMOGULS, as I said above it seems to me this was created by accountants looking for a self perpetuating community, not a guy that has no experience in a gaming arena.
I can refer you to a previous post of mine, where I distilled down some quotes from a recent (Aug 2009) MMOGULS podcast.
Hmm, it's short, so I'll just include it here:
I finally listed to the Whiting MMOGULS podcast:
So, they are still advertising it as linked. You really have to listen it. It's funny how they try so very hard to not mention CME/CMG by name (calling it "the other game company"), but fail in the end.
You also should look at this MMOGULS (affiliate) page. If I had just glanced at it, I would have sworn it was an official CME one. Of course, MMOGULS could likely claim ignorance and put the blame on the affiliate for mentioning the link. Too bad just about EVERY member site does this to some degree.
Did you even listen to what Gary Whiting himself said in that podcast? Yellow you need to either show us some facts that Gary has/had no idea what's going on or just drop the who shot John BS. Listen to the podcast, Whiting knows exactly what MMOGULs is about and he states that CME is MMOGULs biggest asset. He states his intentions and why he created MMOGULs in the podcast, you have zero to support your conspiracy theory and I have proof from the horses mouth to support mine. So why do you continue in your delusion that Gary has been conned and left holding the bag or is just some kind of gibbering nutjob that decided to start MMOGULs one day for the hell of it?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
What I don't understand is why he persists in being so "open" about the link in MMOGULS meetings. Well, I can understand why he'd want to be (it's the only plausible reason to join), but if "everyone" from CME to MGM says it's not going to happen, then if it doesn't, and since he obviously has been told this, then I'm pretty sure he can be sued later for personal fraud when/if MMOGULS collapses, which would pierce any corporate protection.
Maybe the people who are saying "no", are saying it with a wink and a nod?
No matter what GW has been saying, it doesn't matter. CEO and Owners of corportaions/Companies are just like politicians. You have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Really, it can be interpretted as a strong standpoint, or a sign of weakness. All I can say is that I'll have to go on my gut feeling, and it tells me that Stargate Worlds might get the curse of Bill Roper, SW might get "FlagShipped". And sadly flaggshipped before it even hits the stores. (though in spirit, I want this IP to succeed)
It's an interesting question which makes me ask the question "Does Gary even intend to launch SGW at this point?". You heard the podcast where they're constantly apologizing for people not getting their money from their downlines. Also you heard the only question at the end of the meeting was the guy from Texas that hasn't seen anything from his downline since December! Then the excuse of "We've been having trouble with our software" was used and I thought "Trouble with your software for one year now and it still isn't sorted out?".
I reckon Gary will release the other generic crap if he can but has no intention of SGW launching now. He's kept these saps hanging on for a year already so he'll keep up the pretense until people at MMOGULs get sick of giving him money for nothing. Also I reckon this "new funding" at CME came from Gary embezzeling cash from MMOGULs, since he's spent one year looking for investors and nothing so he used some of his stolen cash to put on a good show for MGM.
I just don't see it coming to SGW being released or any SG game. The podcast made me laugh when he's reassuring them about getting funding and I'm thinking "this johnny has already blown $50 million with nothing to show for it, why would the pittance he scrapes together make any difference now?".
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
This is really why I have always questioned the viability of this license in a booming economy it is possibly worth the risk to support this game but in one as we have now? I realized about six months ago that this is the only kind of news they could possibly have about the state of the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
It's an interesting question which makes me ask the question "Does Gary even intend to launch SGW at this point?".
Nope. If he launches, he has to launch a GOOD product and there will be an actual product to review. If it never launches, its a great carrot-on-a-stick for various investors and can never fail. Why launch when just the promise of it is bringing MMOGULS money and subscribers?
the idea "This thing is going to be great when it launches" brings a lot of money into Gary's pocket.
If ANY of the studios were ever really designed to get actual software products out, one of them would have stumbled on SOMETHING as a retail release by now even if it was a $9.99 walmart bargain bin game.
Gary just needs to launch something Stargate. I could be an iPod game, Stargate Battles, anything. He will then satisfy having a big name IP for MMOGULS.
If Gary is only a talking bobble head of his two companies, then how can MMOGULS sell subscriptions for CME Games? Is there some sort of contract between CME and MMOGULS? Why would CME give away some of their hard earned revenue for nothing? Why did CME give away their great iSnap idea to MMOGULS (that was the CME executives we saw in those videos explaining iSnap, right?). Why isn’t CME litigating MMOGULS for stealing CME’s iSnap idea and name? Why are the investors allowing this?
MMOGULS will offer MMO game subscriptions at a reasonable price. That is one of the core products. Instead of simply having all the subscription funds go to the gaming company, gamers will actually be able to make money doing what they do best… networking and inviting their tens, hundreds and thousands of online gaming associates to become part of their MMOGULS iSNAP.
Now that you know this background, here's where things get really exciting for you and me!
Retail sales for products MMOGULS offers at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. will need to belong to the network (iSNAP), and for the large audience of retail customers who will require subscriptions to participate with the online games they acquire, MMOGULS will place those retail customers into the organization of those MMOGULS associates who are already in the network.