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Lmao @ you posting day 2 beta footage.
the devs on the open forums have refered to that lake as "sausage lake" and have since fixed that issue.
if you are going to break nda, at least post current beta footage.
Javac ......... I find your concerns to be interestingly valid.
I think "YOU" should stay far away from this game.
Very far ..........
Just trying to help out a fellow MMORPG.com poster.
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My concern isn't that it's a scam, my concern is that they've got this idea in their head and got this great marketing discription to draw players in, but all they've really produced is a massive Unreal Tournament 3 map and some character and weapon models and a new hitbox system. To me it seems like they're still trying to work out how to do all the things they say you can do in this game.
So whilst they're aiming for a Q4 2009 release, I'm thinking they're actually alot further away than that.
Whether they know that or not is a matter for debate.
Good Lord that is horrible.
If you think it sounds fishy, don't buy it until after it releases. But calling it a scam sounds a little pessimistic yet.
As for the price, computer games have become more expensive the last year or so.
I will not pay a dime until the game is released myself, not because I think it is a scam, but because I need to know a lot more before I decide that it is worth my time or not. And I prefer to buy a game after the worst buggs are ironed out.
I'm in the same boat. I don't think MO is a scam but I am still waiting till the game releases before I buy or anything. Instead of hearing how things are planned to be, could be or intended to be, I would rather know how they are this time.
After the whole DFO scam (Changing there minds about 1 char per server, making it so NA players had to buy the game twice when they were told they would be able to have a char on each server originally) I plan on waiting lol.
To ease your mind a little.
That is one of the major questions that was asked on MO boards (about the scam charge to transfer servers)
First off the MO devs laughed. Then stated you will NEVER have to buy a 2nd copy of the game, if they release a NA server you will be able to play on it with the copy of the game you already pre-ordered.
They did not say you will be able to transfer characters, but they did say you can go to any server with the same account, and you wouldnt be charged for it.
the digital download of MO is a tad cheaper than the digital download of DF. Not enough to matter, but it is cheaper. So when comparing price, thats the only fair price to compair. you cannot honestly compare a box sale to a DD sale.
as far as the statement that they have to many people in beta atm, that is true. Both Block A+B let in extra people so they are working with 1k extra testers. But instead of locking them out, they are letting them test as well.
Before purchasing the game you are told what to expect. That players are testing server stability in this early beta phase. To do that they have turned off alot of features so that any problem that happens in this early beta stage is only the servers fault, not something else. So of course leaked videos are going to show a lack of tons of parts of the game.
Combat is currently under NDA, we shoudlnt be talking about it, nor what we think of the videos that show any.
To sidestep that topic a tad, but in the same light of it. half the preorders were from the americas. The devs said if their was a strong showing of preorders from the americas that their was a good chance of having a NA server at launch. This will obviously increase ping for those players in the americas.
They have officially stated they are working on their hit prediction system and it is not perfect yet.
I was a fence sitter between darkfall and Mortal. I looked at what both games were claiming to offer, they seemed close enough to par to make it a very hard choice. So then i went diving into forums.
What i found was AV couldnt be trusted to keep their word. They would ninja edit posts instead of coming out and stating why things were not going to be how they said. They were underhanded in how they were dealing with their fanbase.
What I found with SV was rather candid posts from the devs, backed by people who knew more about the game (at that time) than i did. The devs posted the state of things on a semi regular basis, and i have not one account to report where they changed what they said after the fact. Instead if something didn't work they would try to get it right, and if they honestly couldnt change the outcome, they would post it.
I respect honesty, its the only thing that kept me from ordering darkfall, despite it sounding like a game i would really like to play. Honesty is what got me to preorder MO. The beta is what the devs are saying the beta is, so while frustrating at times. Anyone who does even the slightest amount of looking can see the massive improvements its been getting.
i will be much happier when they have the login server issue fixed. (you can read dev posts and twitters saying the login server is causing most the server crashes... which is publicly available not an NDA covered issue.) So that i can test on a more NA friendly timeframe.
all of that being said: javac, i realize you are sad to see DF get trolled so hard, but you lie worse than Lord Taco about the game. i like what i see in youtube about the game, i like most of what i read. (aoe magic being painfully overpowered is super lame but fixable. Bloodwalling being acceptable is pathetic.) I would defend your posts if what you said about it, matched to what we see in youtube, read on the forums, and get reports back from actual players.... but it doesnt, you post bs to try and re-hype the game for something it isnt. Which if your crap spewing ever gets anyone to sub to the game, they will expect more than DF can deliver, and quit.
your Op is a troll post, your games devs are a joke, your game of choice is okay, but thats it. Go back to DF boards, im sure their is something their for you to try and spin into a positive.
I believed you were genuine right up to the point where you start talking about believing what you read on forums "from actual players". If there is one thing that me and all my friends in game agree on about Darkfall is that the actual game is nothing like what you read on the forums.
Personally I doubt Mortal is a scam, but I do think there is a reasonable chance given its current state that it might not even make it to release, or if it does, that it is very likely going to disappoint a lot of people due to lots of remaining bugs and missing features.
Wow - sounds just like your current favorite game, Darkfall, pre-launch.
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except i didnt pay money to get into beta
Wow - sounds just like your current favorite game, Darkfall, pre-launch.
~Ripper
except i didnt pay money to get into beta
I could have sworn you started playing back in Feb when the game started selling "limited copies" of a digital download ROFLMAO.
Therefore you payed to play beta since even a review of DnF by one of the sites you fans seem to love (you know the one that has only reviewed one game, Darkfall and gave it an 83) states it was released on July 13, 2009.
So what was it all those other months if it didn't release till July based on a site that you all are using as an example of a good review.
If you think it sounds fishy, don't buy it until after it releases. But calling it a scam sounds a little pessimistic yet.
As for the price, computer games have become more expensive the last year or so.
I will not pay a dime until the game is released myself, not because I think it is a scam, but because I need to know a lot more before I decide that it is worth my time or not. And I prefer to buy a game after the worst buggs are ironed out.
I'm in the same boat. I don't think MO is a scam but I am still waiting till the game releases before I buy or anything. Instead of hearing how things are planned to be, could be or intended to be, I would rather know how they are this time.
After the whole DFO scam (Changing there minds about 1 char per server, making it so NA players had to buy the game twice when they were told they would be able to have a char on each server originally) I plan on waiting lol.
To ease your mind a little.
That is one of the major questions that was asked on MO boards (about the scam charge to transfer servers)
First off the MO devs laughed. Then stated you will NEVER have to buy a 2nd copy of the game, if they release a NA server you will be able to play on it with the copy of the game you already pre-ordered.
They did not say you will be able to transfer characters, but they did say you can go to any server with the same account, and you wouldnt be charged for it.
the digital download of MO is a tad cheaper than the digital download of DF. Not enough to matter, but it is cheaper. So when comparing price, thats the only fair price to compair. you cannot honestly compare a box sale to a DD sale.
as far as the statement that they have to many people in beta atm, that is true. Both Block A+B let in extra people so they are working with 1k extra testers. But instead of locking them out, they are letting them test as well.
Before purchasing the game you are told what to expect. That players are testing server stability in this early beta phase. To do that they have turned off alot of features so that any problem that happens in this early beta stage is only the servers fault, not something else. So of course leaked videos are going to show a lack of tons of parts of the game.
Combat is currently under NDA, we shoudlnt be talking about it, nor what we think of the videos that show any.
To sidestep that topic a tad, but in the same light of it. half the preorders were from the americas. The devs said if their was a strong showing of preorders from the americas that their was a good chance of having a NA server at launch. This will obviously increase ping for those players in the americas.
They have officially stated they are working on their hit prediction system and it is not perfect yet.
I was a fence sitter between darkfall and Mortal. I looked at what both games were claiming to offer, they seemed close enough to par to make it a very hard choice. So then i went diving into forums.
What i found was AV couldnt be trusted to keep their word. They would ninja edit posts instead of coming out and stating why things were not going to be how they said. They were underhanded in how they were dealing with their fanbase.
What I found with SV was rather candid posts from the devs, backed by people who knew more about the game (at that time) than i did. The devs posted the state of things on a semi regular basis, and i have not one account to report where they changed what they said after the fact. Instead if something didn't work they would try to get it right, and if they honestly couldnt change the outcome, they would post it.
I respect honesty, its the only thing that kept me from ordering darkfall, despite it sounding like a game i would really like to play. Honesty is what got me to preorder MO. The beta is what the devs are saying the beta is, so while frustrating at times. Anyone who does even the slightest amount of looking can see the massive improvements its been getting.
i will be much happier when they have the login server issue fixed. (you can read dev posts and twitters saying the login server is causing most the server crashes... which is publicly available not an NDA covered issue.) So that i can test on a more NA friendly timeframe.
all of that being said: javac, i realize you are sad to see DF get trolled so hard, but you lie worse than Lord Taco about the game. i like what i see in youtube about the game, i like most of what i read. (aoe magic being painfully overpowered is super lame but fixable. Bloodwalling being acceptable is pathetic.) I would defend your posts if what you said about it, matched to what we see in youtube, read on the forums, and get reports back from actual players.... but it doesnt, you post bs to try and re-hype the game for something it isnt. Which if your crap spewing ever gets anyone to sub to the game, they will expect more than DF can deliver, and quit.
your Op is a troll post, your games devs are a joke, your game of choice is okay, but thats it. Go back to DF boards, im sure their is something their for you to try and spin into a positive.
I believed you were genuine right up to the point where you start talking about believing what you read on forums "from actual players". If there is one thing that me and all my friends in game agree on about Darkfall is that the actual game is nothing like what you read on the forums.
Personally I doubt Mortal is a scam, but I do think there is a reasonable chance given its current state that it might not even make it to release, or if it does, that it is very likely going to disappoint a lot of people due to lots of remaining bugs and missing features.
You got good points that I support, but I dont believe reviews OR players. That is why I play the games to form my own opinion. A Scam? No I think not. I preordered few days ago and I am will sure find out.
With Adventurine lying about 'one character per server' and than charging NA players for a whole new client, many people ( myself included) said to hell with Darkfall. Unfortunately, many others who are not very polite about things have said to hell with Darkfall as well. They are looking at Mortal not as a new game, but as a new target to exploit.
When you have e-peens such as MurderHerd going around shouting 'join us or die' it does nothing but leave a bad taste in your mouth. Hopefully some of these groups who are setting their eyes on Mortal will stay in Darkfall.
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1) I'ts Closed beta and they are adding more and more into the game every week
2) Trolls - I am a beta tester and everything is going very smoothly (this isnt breaking Star vaults nda by me saying this)
3) You got to choose whether or not to choose it.. they even had a disclaimer that it had work to be done on it
4) Where... does it say they are running out of money? The financial situation is ok over at SV
5) Its not alpha.. its beta - And again it was your choice to pay that much.. it would only be a scam if they tricked you with the price or made you pay monthly fees
Finally.. your just an idiot.. sorry but you are,
By making a post like this you just make potential people who might want to play the game turn the other direction - and why? Because you don't have a clue what your talking about and just felt like making a post on here after seeing what the local trolls on the MO forums were posting - steer away from this kind of post in the future
I have been in the MO forums sincs april 2008 and this is certainly not the impression I have. They hid the high prices until the last minute and they absolutelly didn't warn costumers they wound't be needing 2.000 beta testers every two weeks. They just needed the money and used Beta as the bait to sell the copies. Now they don't know what to do with so many betasters, and most probably they knew this would happen but obviously didn't say it.
This seem to be most accurate assesment I heard so far. Specially considering that many beta testers haven't been able to login for weeks.
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1) I'ts Closed beta and they are adding more and more into the game every week
Many which cannot even log in. Just check the support forum on their official site. Most people from beta block B hasn't been able to log in even once.
2) Trolls - I am a beta tester and everything is going very smoothly (this isnt breaking Star vaults nda by me saying this)
Say what? People not being able to log in I would not say is going very smoothly.
3) You got to choose whether or not to choose it.. they even had a disclaimer that it had work to be done on it
That does not make it alright.
4) Where... does it say they are running out of money? The financial situation is ok over at SV
Common deductive reasoning. Why would they charge so much so far from release if they were not short on money? Just for shit and giggles?
5) Its not alpha.. its beta - And again it was your choice to pay that much.. it would only be a scam if they tricked you with the price or made you pay monthly fees
Again, they being upfront about it does not make it okay.
By making a post like this you just make potential people who might want to play the game turn the other direction - and why? Because you don't have a clue what your talking about and just felt like making a post on here after seeing what the local trolls on the MO forums were posting - steer away from this kind of post in the future
Typical fanboy response. Nothing to see here.
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Methinks the OP was trying to trick posters into breaking the nda so he could have a better idea of whether to buy this game.
Without reading the entire thread I wonder if he succeeded.
I use the same trick often (but not here) , by saying something blatantly wrong to elicit a defense that tells me what I want to know.
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Methinks the OP was trying to trick posters into breaking the nda so he could have a better idea of whether to buy this game.
Without reading the entire thread I wonder if he succeeded.
I use the same trick often (but not here) , by saying something blatantly wrong to elicit a defense that tells me what I want to know.
i wish you were right.
but anyone who has followed darkfall at all knows the OP is a DF fanbot who literally can find nothing wrong at all with anything in darkfall, or anything AV has done or said.
It's fairly obvious to me that you've been living under a rock.
Yeah, there are about three dozen leaked youtube videos of actual beta gameplay. Not only the fact that Starvault is a publicly traded company on the stock market. They have actually purchased the Unreal 3 engine, which by the way, is pretty expensive. I mean seriously, were you high when you typed this out?
If it's a scam, why would you type 6+ months from release? One, if you are saying it will release in 6 months, it can't be a scam. Two, if you would have done any research rather than typing the first dumb thought that popped into your head, you'd have known that it's going to release as early as mid-October. Most likely before the year is out.
Your 4 and 5 are lumped together. Indie companies typically don't have the financial backing that they typically require for this sort of project. Everyone knows it, it is a fact. So it is of no surprise to any of us that are half intelligent that they were going to run out of money, and in order to get some financial stability, they have allowed it's fanbase to pre-order their game and test it.
Lastly, how in the world could this be a scam when there are thousands of players testing their game at this moment? This would have to be one hell of a cover-up. This right here is a troll post. It is just another uninformed poster, too lazy to do the research, typing random thoughts to incite the ire of other posters.. most likely because the OP get's off from it. I can't stand these people.
Regardless of whether or not they deliberately scammed a bunch of deluded fanbois with a pretty Unreal 3 multiplayer mod, considering their puny budget and the current state of the "beta" it is highly doubtful that this game will be released in the next 6-49 months...
Just wanted to touch on this one. Thousands of players are NOT testing the game. Most of the people in beta block B has not been able to log in even once because where as the servers are mostly up the login server is rarely up and then only for a few minutes.
That being said I dont think the game is a scam. However the pre-order and get into beta thing is a scam because many who preordered havent been able to log in, even once.
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Just wanted to touch on this one. Thousands of players are NOT testing the game. Most of the people in beta block B has not been able to log in even once because where as the servers are mostly up the login server is rarely up and then only for a few minutes.
That being said I dont think the game is a scam. However the pre-order and get into beta thing is a scam because many who preordered havent been able to log in, even once.
People who aren't idiots know what they paid for. The early stages of the beta where to test server stability and login. Isn't that what they are doing? Theres also an announcement on the beta irc channel everytime they enable the login server, the reason they do it like this is because there is some trouble with the login server crashing the game server. Thats why they don't have it up all the time. I think it was mats who said that everytime they enable the login server they get about 2k players online within minutes.
Also just for fun, can you point me to the 1000+ block B testers who haven't been able to login?
edit: heres a quote about the release
"The launch of Mortal Online is planned for Q4 2009 (Oct-Dec). This is not set in stone however, as we want all core features to be in place and properly tested before charging monthly subscriptions. We do not guarantee a specific release date for Mortal Online."
I like the look of MO and don't think it is a scam but I have strong doubts it will release on time or with all its features. I will be watching though.
Just wanted to touch on this one. Thousands of players are NOT testing the game. Most of the people in beta block B has not been able to log in even once because where as the servers are mostly up the login server is rarely up and then only for a few minutes.
That being said I dont think the game is a scam. However the pre-order and get into beta thing is a scam because many who preordered havent been able to log in, even once.
People pre-ordered for the game, not to play beta. And if they did preorder just to play beta, then they are idiots. Getting beta access was just a bonus. I am on Block A and have been in the game a few times, with 4600 players trying to get in the game its obvious that there will be a queue time. And this coming Monday (i think) they will start letting block C to get access as well making it 6600 players. All I gotta say is, pay attention to their twitter page, they will let people know when its up. All games login server gets congested when there are lots and lots of players trying to get in at the same time, its a no brainer. You just gotta keep trying.
If you anyone of you guys preordered to play beta, that's your own fault.
In that case, those people must be pretty dumb. Why else, if not for the beta, did so many people greedily spend over 70$ to preorder a game that currently has approx. 0 features except pretty graphics and thus won't be released in the next 12-80 months?
In that case, those people must be pretty dumb. Why would you spend 70$ solely to preorder a game that currently has approx. 0 features except pretty graphics and thus won't be released in the next 12-80 months?
Go back and read everyone else's posts, its been said so many times now. For the record, they're limiting what you can and cant do. They're taking one small step at a time, run some parts of the game, test, fix, test. This is beta, you've should have already expected it. Before you pre-ordered they've already told you what to expect.
I have had 0 issues with Aventurine as a game company while playing Darkfall. Purchase was easy and straightforward, the 1 support request I put in was resolved in the same game session, and while there has been 1 server crash while playing, my client has not crashed to date.
Some would (rightly) argue that asking your players to front up the full cost of the game 6-12 months before the game is even finished is treating your fanbase like shit. Also there has been the fiasco with many Block B players (who are now customers) still unable to get into the beta, yet SV still doesn't even seem to be working weekends cause servers are down every weekend. I do not think SV are as sparkly clean or is Aventurine as dirty as you make out.
In that case, those people must be pretty dumb. Why would you spend 70$ solely to preorder a game that currently has approx. 0 features except pretty graphics and thus won't be released in the next 12-80 months?
Go back and read everyone else's posts, its been said so many times now. For the record, they're limiting what you can and cant do. They're taking one small step at a time, run some parts of the game, test, fix, test. This is beta, you've should have already expected it. Before you pre-ordered they've already told you what to expect.
That does not address his very valid point. If people did NOT pre-order to get into beta then why did they pre-order? Althruism? I think not. People pre-ordered to get into beta and now realised that they can't.
No big deal for me as beta testing is not that big of aa issue but it does make me lose a bit faith in a company that pulled that kind of trick on me.
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